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Title: Condoleezza Rice says US needs to consider Second Amendment's place in 'modern world'
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URL Source: http://www.foxnews.com/politics/201 ... nts-place-in-modern-world.html
Published: Feb 25, 2018
Author: Amy Lieu
Post Date: 2018-02-25 07:27:02 by IbJensen
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Views: 8094
Comments: 144
This month's massacre in Parkland, Fla., seems like a key moment in the nation's ongoing debate about the Second Amendment, former U.S. Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice said during a radio interview Friday. “I think it is time to have a conversation about what the right to bear arms means in the modern world,” Rice told radio host Hugh Hewitt on Friday. “I don’t understand why civilians need to have access to military weapons. We wouldn’t say you can go out and buy a tank.” More specifically, Rice said weapons like the AR-15 rifle that authorities say shooting suspect Nikolas Cruz, 19, used to kill 17 students and teachers Feb. 14, shouldn't be available to civilians, the Washington Times reported. NIKOLAS CRUZ CHARGED IN FLORIDA SCHOOL SHOOTING But Rice, who served under President George W. Bush, made clear that she remains a believer in the Second Amendment. “We can’t throw away the Second Amendment and keep the First,” she said, adding that she considers the first two amendments to the Constitution to be “indivisible.” “We can’t throw away the Second Amendment and keep the First.” - Condoleezza Rice, former U.S. secretary of state Hewitt then asked if Rice -- being an educator herself as a political science professor at Stanford University -- supports the idea of teachers carrying guns as a deterrent to potential campus shootings. Rice said she doesn’t think that is “going to be the answer,” the Washington Times reported. “I don’t really like the idea, frankly, of a gun in my classroom,” she said. Rather, she supports looking to law enforcement and guards as ways for protection. Rice, 63, was exposed to senseless violence at an early age, having grown up in Birmingham, Ala., where the bombing of the 16th Street Baptist Church in 1963 resulted in the deaths of four young girls. She has written and spoken frequently about the impression the horrific event made on her. She told Hewitt that despite her reservations about weapons in the classroom, the proposal merited a serious discussion. (Watch video at link) Poster Comment: “Modern world” Same modern world pissing away their freedom left and right? No thanks Bush Globalist Harpy. The Second Amendment is to provide protection against a hungry, immense, evil and bankrupt government!
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#76. To: Deckard (#73)
You do realize that the 2nd Amendment is the topic of conversation, don't you Parsons? No I don’t and you need to realize the topic of my conversation was limited to the Founders confiscating guns. You do realize that you pointed out his was prior to the Second Amendment, don’t you?
The second amendment protects our pre existing right to own and possess arms. Its purpose is to keep us free from tyrants. So it is in case someday we the people can kill the people who would enslave us through government!ent, should that become necessary. It is also so the people can be called up to defend the country against foreign invasion. If you disagree with me you are a dumb ass. The whiskey rebelllion wasn't about the right to bear arms.
You are a snide one, Gatlin! (That's snide....not wise!) Liberals are like Slinkys. They're good for nothing, but somehow they bring a smile to your face as you shove them down the stairs.
No use trying to reason with that arrogant clown - he's happy being a slave and when the gooberment says you MUST turn in your guns, he will do so with a smile because by golly - the government is god. Assault Weapons Not Protected by Second Amendment, Federal Appeals Court Rules He should move to Maryland. Who'da thunk in 1989, before the Berlin Wall came down, that less than 30 years later we'd have the son-in-law of a card carrying Soviet communist staining the sheets of the White Hut... building walls and pondering thoughts of castrating both the 2nd amendment and the 1st amendment which the 2nd protects. Well, besides commies like Bill and Hillary Clinton, I mean.
All that proves is that Washington was a hypocrite. In the entire history of the world,the only nations that had to build walls to keep their own citizens from leaving were those with leftist governments.
The Second Amendment RECOGNIZES our pre-existing rights to own and possess arms. By saying it "protects" it implies the 2nd Amendment can by repealed at convenience. Yeah,I know. It's semantics and there is only a hairs width of difference between the two words,but I think "recognizes" is a more powerful statement by implying the right existed prior to the formation of our government,and is a natural right. In the entire history of the world,the only nations that had to build walls to keep their own citizens from leaving were those with leftist governments.
And if as you say, should it become necessary, then the gloriously wonderful Oath Keepers will already be on top of the situation and openly combating the government. This non-partisan association of current and formerly serving military, police, and first responders have declared that they will not obey unconstitutional orders, such as orders to disarm the American people, to conduct warrantless searches, or to detain Americans as “enemy combatants” in violation of their ancient right to jury trial. See the Oath Keepers Declaration of Orders We Will Not Obey for details. You can stand at ease. Good Bless the First Amendment….and those who respect and honor it. The loud-mouth coward asshole rebels all armed and ready for battle wisely decided to turn tail and ran for home before the arrival of the army. So there was no confrontation and their Second Amendment right proved what? As a result of their misguided efforts about 20 men were arrested. In the next six years, over 175 distillers from Kentucky were convicted of violating the tax law. Doncha think that these “rebels against government” and all the other loud-mouth cowards who to this day continually puff and espouse bravado in a horrifically bold manner in their effort to show their machismo that is intended only to pump their ego as they try to show boldness to impress or intimidate….are really dumbasses?
He should move to Maryland. You are inferring that I believe that “assault weapons” are not protected by the Second Amendment. It is my opinion that those weapons maliciously labeled “assault weapons” to incite negative reactions are indeed protected by the Second Amendment. If you have any questions as to my positions on anything...it would be beneficial for you to just ask me.
Yes, I know…that has been said before and I take no offense in hearing it again. I fully realize that I have the innate capacity for saying things in an unkind and indirect way when criticizing somebody and pointing out the error of their way or exposing their unpleasant traits. But don’t be frighten off by that….put on your “big boy” facade and try to dispute my facts when you can.
Condi Republicans, Taters Coven "Not a Witch!" Gatlins opinion claiming that: --- "saying the Second Amendment was written for the Americans to take up arms against our government is purely opinionated bullshit". --- is purely semantic word-play bullshit itself, --- seeing that everyone here is writing that the first explanatory line of the 2nd explains why the right shall not be infringed. The milita, the people, --- when no longer living in a free state, --- have a right to take up arms against their oppressive government if it cannot be changed peacefully. That is the clear intent of the 2nd, and gatlins silly attempt to claim the whiskey rebellion proves otherwise is flawed by the fact that it was about booze taxes, and Washington had no constitutional power to raise an army and confiscate arms.. He acted unconstitutionally, and nothing was done about his act. Gatlin: Put on your “big boy” facade and try to dispute my facts when you can.
Does the Princess Lea costume come with a pre-installed cocaine addiction... or is that extra?
Gatlin's facts about the Whiskey Rebellion are wrong anyway. President Washington did NOT lead the Army against the rebels, but gave the job to one of his Revolutionary War Generals. President Washington later showed up to beat down that general for abusing his powers and arresting and imprisoning people under cruel conditions without reasonable suspicion that they were involved in any way. Eventually 2 people were tried and given light sentences for the Whiskey Rebellion. George Washington respected the right of armed rebellion against government, so the "perps" were only given a slap on the wrist. President Washington later showed up to beat down that general for abusing his powers and arresting and imprisoning people under cruel conditions without reasonable suspicion that they were involved in any way. Eventually 2 people were tried and given light sentences for the Whiskey Rebellion. George Washington respected the right of armed rebellion against government, so the "perps" were only given a slap on the wrist. Maybe he'll answer you.. Gatlin is too much of a coward to debate me.. He did in the past, but stopped when he lost a lot, poor little fella.
Never fear the truth... I'm the infidel... Allah warned you about. كافر المسلح
Never fear the truth. ---- GrandIsland Unless the ATF, or the FBI gets on your ass....
Several thoughts... 1. I'm very much NOT a fan of Ms. Rice 2. Ms. Rice is exponentially smarter than pretty much all of you malcontents in this chat-room 3. Her ideas in this regard are valid and should be considered by any rational intelligent individual.
I'm not worried. They don't even need a warrant to search my house. I have nothing to hide.
I'm the infidel... Allah warned you about. كافر المسلح
Unpleasant? I daresay it is you who are exceedingly unpleasant. I will in the future ignore any response you make to my posted articles or comments considering the loutish source. Liberals are like Slinkys. They're good for nothing, but somehow they bring a smile to your face as you shove them down the stairs.
You should worry that some agency would question your mental health about the following statement you made : ---- I'd most likely be a rogue combatant... protecting just my own family and killing the parts of my family that endanger my agenda or are dead weight. ---- GrandIsland posted on 2018-02-25
Thank you. I will continue to post for everyone else to see. You just sit there and silently take your severe whippings.
Unpleasant? I daresay it is you who are exceedingly unpleasant. I will in the future ignore any response you make to my posted articles or comments considering the loutish source. ---- IbJensen Please, don't bozo the oaf. Gatlin needs all the disdain we can give him.. Cowards need to be told the truth. Even they can't ignore it forever...
================================================ ...a host of retired police officers also wrote, calling Gonzales a “domestic terrorist.” They described incidents in which Gonzales’ organization, the Crusade For Justice, turned violent. Members were arrested on bomb charges, and one battle with police resulted in the shooting death of a young man and an explosion next to the Crusade’s headquarters. Charles Rowland, who worked with the Denver Police Department’s bomb squad for 21 years, wrote that the city was “known as the bomb capital of the United States. Most of these devices led back to the Crusade. I can’t believe Denver would even think of honoring this person. To me, it’s like hugging Jane Fonda.” Same Ol'
My sanity is spot on. You're just to weak to know it. lol I'm the infidel... Allah warned you about. كافر المسلح
Open for business. God bless America, land of the free, and home of the brave. Offer void where prohibited. Yep. Denver Lutheran High School went bankrupt and is now named after "The Poet Laureat of Aztlan". But - don't forget to vote for the train! (so Governor Chickenlooper's Jesuit MarxBankster cronies can keep their caboo$e on track to the White Hut).
There goes Parsons again - showing his disdain for those military, law enforcement and first responders who have taken an oath to the Constitution and refuse to obey unconstitutional edicts. Thank God for Patriots like the Oathkeepers who are willing to put their lives on the line and stand against tyranny. Oathkeepers: Orders we will not obey: 1. We will NOT obey any order to disarm the American people. That must be why Parson loathes them. ...all the other loud-mouth cowards The only loud mouthed coward here is you Parsons, submissively grovelling before the almighty State, happy to live on your knees as others are willing to fight back against a tyrannical rogue government. You just sit there and silently take your severe whippings. A sadist as well. Liberals are like Slinkys. They're good for nothing, but somehow they bring a smile to your face as you shove them down the stairs.
He's a goose-stepping Totalitarian Statist. Anti-Constitution. At least it's on record. No further use in engaging. " That has been quite clear to anyone paying attention !! And has been for quite some time !! Most here know how Tater / Parsons is, and what kind of person he is !! Si vis pacem, para bellum Rebellion to tyrants is obedience to God. Never Pick A Fight With An Old Man He Will Just Shoot You He Can't Afford To Get Hurt "If there are no dogs in Heaven, then when I die I want to go where they went." (Will Rogers)
100% BS. That it is. Always was. Always will be. Gilligan a Troll. You can't debate a Troll, a forum Vampire. They don't engage with honest or sincere intent.
He's just hit the BOZO-TROLL List. The ONLY one. Yes, he's that stupid, useless, and mentally unfit.
Look to fairly recent history for example. Look up " Battle of Athens Tennessee 1946 " https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Athens_%281946%29 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T9tUQxsrQGw Quite interesting bit of history Si vis pacem, para bellum Rebellion to tyrants is obedience to God. Never Pick A Fight With An Old Man He Will Just Shoot You He Can't Afford To Get Hurt "If there are no dogs in Heaven, then when I die I want to go where they went." (Will Rogers)
Look to fairly recent history for example. Look up " Battle of Athens Tennessee 1946 " https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Athens_%281946%29 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T9tUQxsrQGw Quite interesting bit of history " Pete, I had intended to ping you. Sorry for the oversight ! Si vis pacem, para bellum Rebellion to tyrants is obedience to God. Never Pick A Fight With An Old Man He Will Just Shoot You He Can't Afford To Get Hurt "If there are no dogs in Heaven, then when I die I want to go where they went." (Will Rogers)
1. We will NOT obey any order to disarm the American people. That must be why Parson loathes them. ...all the other loud-mouth cowards The only loud mouthed coward here is you Parsons, submissively grovelling before the almighty State, happy to live on your knees as others are willing to fight back against a tyrannical rogue government. OUCH. +100
A beloved story. But can you cite any other similar events. That's the problem with the argument, however much we all agree on the principles. It's far too easy to dismiss as a lone outlier in some corrupt inbred hillbilly town. And there are a lot of people who love this story who would nevertheless get upset if something like that happened in their own town.
EXCELLENT LINK! Watched the entire 10:00. Great flick (which would never see the light of day these days.) Making THE case for the 2A -- Battle of Athens Tennessee 1946
That's the problem with the argument... Uh, no. Your demand for subsequent examples of the 2A doing what it's supposed to is the problem with pro-Statists. Do you believe 'The Patriot Act' and it's UNREAD LEGISLATIVE ENACTMENT was justified or even had the consent of the governed? "A Beloved Story." NOT quite feeling the "love" from you.
No. I think one is enough. " there are a lot of people who love this story who would nevertheless get upset if something like that happened in their own town. " So, you think they should be happy if some thug took over a town ?? Bizare !!! Si vis pacem, para bellum Rebellion to tyrants is obedience to God. Never Pick A Fight With An Old Man He Will Just Shoot You He Can't Afford To Get Hurt "If there are no dogs in Heaven, then when I die I want to go where they went." (Will Rogers)
I am rather surprised at Tooconservative's attitude on this!
Si vis pacem, para bellum Rebellion to tyrants is obedience to God. Never Pick A Fight With An Old Man He Will Just Shoot You He Can't Afford To Get Hurt "If there are no dogs in Heaven, then when I die I want to go where they went." (Will Rogers)
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Top • Page Up • Full Thread • Page Down • Bottom/Latest You do know that I never once mentioned the Second Amendment anywhere In my post, don’t you?
#77. To: Gatlin (#75)
#78. To: Gatlin (#74)
You do however have the right to hold and express your pwn opinion.
#79. To: A K A Stone, Gatlin, Ib Jensen, sneakypete, Liberator (#77)
The second amendment protects our pre existing right to own and possess arms. Its purpose is to keep us free from tyrants. So it is in case someday we the people can kill the people who would enslave us through government!ent, should that become necessary.
“Truth is treason in the empire of lies.” - Ron Paul
Those who most loudly denounce Fake News are typically those most aggressively disseminating it.
#80. To: Deckard, hondo68 (#79)
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he's happy being a slave and when the gooberment says you MUST turn in your guns
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#81. To: Gatlin (#75)
So saying the Second Amendment was written for the Americans to take up arms against our government is purely opinionated bullshit. George Washington himself proved this to be true when armed Americans took up guns against what they viewed and George Washington’s administration tyrannical government imposing taxes on of all things, whiskey. Well, President Washington called up 13,000 militia men into the army and Washington personally led the troops to squash the rebellion of armed citizens in Bedford, Pennsylvania.
#82. To: A K A Stone (#77)
The second amendment protects our pre existing right to own and possess arms. I
#83. To: A K A Stone (#77)
The second amendment protects our pre existing right to own and possess arms.
I don’t understand the “preexisting” part, but your statement otherwise is factually correct. Its purpose is to keep us free from tyrants.
Yes, it is. So it is in case someday we the people can kill the people who would enslave us through government!ent, should that become necessary.
As I said before, if the government ever tries to enslave us….there will be no need for a Second Amendment. All hell will break loose and the “We The People” government will be preserved. 
Our motto is “Not on our watch!” It is also so the people can be called up to defend the country against foreign invasion.
If our armed forces cannot handle it, then: Yes. If you disagree with me you are a dumb ass.
I will always respect your right to express your opinion. I can see that you will not respect my opinion and therefore in your eyes, I am a dumb ass. The whiskey rebelllion wasn't about the right to bear arms.
But the Second Amendment was in effect when an armed insurrection was made against the federal government while George Washington was president. The resisters were war veterans who believed that they were fighting for the principles of the American Revolution. Throughout Western Pennsylvania counties, protesters used violence and intimidation to prevent federal officials from collecting the tax. Resistance came to a climax in July 1794, when a U.S. marshal arrived in western Pennsylvania to serve writs to distillers who had not paid the excise. The alarm was raised, and more than 500 armed men attacked the fortified home of tax inspector General John Neville. Washington responded by sending peace commissioners to western Pennsylvania to negotiate with the rebels, while at the same time calling on governors to send a militia force to enforce the tax. Washington himself rode at the head of an army to suppress the insurgency, with 13,000 militiamen provided by the governors of Virginia, Maryland, New Jersey, and Pennsylvania.
The Second Amendment didn’t do shit to protect the Whiskey Rebellion insurrectionists or in any way enable them to have a successful armed protest against the government under President George Washington. 
Washington with the Army heading to put down the Whiskey Rebellion.
#84. To: sneakypete (#81)
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All that proves is that Washington was a hypocrite.
It would be very tough to find an argument against that ....with respect to the Whiskey Rebellion.
#85. To: Deckard, A K A Stone, Gatlin, Ib Jensen, sneakypete, Liberator (#79)
Assault Weapons Not Protected by Second Amendment, Federal Appeals Court Rules
That some gross fallacious reasoning. You shouldn’t use faulty inferences in your deductive reasoning.
#86. To: IbJensen (#78)
You are a snide one, Gatlin!
#87. To: VxH, taters coven, Condi Republicans (#80)
#88. To: Y'ALL -- Gatlin can't debate his opinions (#76)
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gatlin---- saying the Second Amendment was written for the Americans to take up arms against our government is purely opinionated bullshit. George Washington himself proved this to be true when armed Americans took up guns against what they viewed and George Washington’s administration tyrannical government imposing taxes on of all things, whiskey. Well, President Washington called up 13,000 militia men into the army and Washington personally led the troops to squash the rebellion of armed citizens in Bedford, Pennsylvania.
#89. To: hondo68 (#87)
#90. To: tpaine, gatltin, hates liberty, and God given rights (#88)
That is the clear intent of the 2nd, and gatlins silly attempt to claim the whiskey rebellion proves otherwise is flawed by the fact that it was about booze taxes, and Washington had no constitutional power to raise an army and confiscate arms.. He acted unconstitutionally, and nothing was done about his act.
#91. To: hondo68, Gatlin, Put on your big boy facade and try to dispute the facts.. (#90)
Gatlin's facts about the Whiskey Rebellion are wrong anyway. President Washington did NOT lead the Army against the rebels, but gave the job to one of his Revolutionary War Generals.
#92. To: Tooconservative (#52)
You really should edit that comment. Not everything has to be shared.
#93. To: GrandIsland, Y'all (#92)
Tooconservative --- You really should edit that comment. Not everything has to be shared.
#94. To: All (#0)
Rice says US needs to consider Second Amendment's place in 'modern world'
#95. To: tpaine (#93)
#96. To: Gatlin (#86)
...when criticizing somebody and pointing out the error of their way or exposing their unpleasant traits.
#97. To: GrandIsland, boasts about, --- killing the parts of my family that endanger my agenda --- (#95)
I'm not worried. They don't even need a warrant to search my house. I have nothing to hide.
#98. To: IbJensen (#96)
I will in the future ignore any response you make to my posted articles or comments considering the loutish source.
#99. To: IbJensen (#96)
Gatlin (#86) ---- .when criticizing somebody and pointing out the error of their way or exposing their unpleasant traits.
#100. To: GrandIsland (#50)
I'd think bombs and explosives would be the hot item for underground manufacturing.
#101. To: tpaine (#97)
#102. To: VxH (#100)
#103. To: hondo68 (#102)
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#104. To: Gatlin, Liberator, tpaine (#83)
This non-partisan association of current and formerly serving military, police, and first responders have declared that they will not obey unconstitutional orders, such as orders to disarm the American people, to conduct warrantless searches, or to detain Americans as “enemy combatants” in violation of their ancient right to jury trial.
“Truth is treason in the empire of lies.” - Ron Paul
Those who most loudly denounce Fake News are typically those most aggressively disseminating it.
#105. To: Gatlin (#98)
I will continue to post for everyone else to see.
#106. To: Liberator, Deckard (#39)
" Great, legit questions...
#107. To: tpaine, Deckard, Stoner, Gilligan aka TROLL (#88)
Gatlins opinion claiming that: --- "saying the Second Amendment was written for the Americans to take up arms against our government is purely opinionated bullshit". --- is purely semantic word-play bullshit itself, --- seeing that everyone here is writing that the first explanatory line of the 2nd explains why the right shall not be infringed.
#108. To: Stoner, Deckard (#106)
Most here know how Tater / Parsons is, and what kind of person he is !!
#109. To: Liberator, Deckard, A K A Stone (#18)
" the Second Amendment exists precisely in the case that government "goes rogue" and becomes a dictatorship. "
#110. To: Sneakypete, All (#109)
" " the Second Amendment exists precisely in the case that government "goes rogue" and becomes a dictatorship. "
#111. To: Deckard, tpaine (#104)
Oathkeepers: Orders we will not obey:
#112. To: Stoner (#109)
Look up " Battle of Athens Tennessee 1946 "
#113. To: Stoner, Deckard, A K A Stone (#109)
#114. To: Tooconservative, Stoner (#112)
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But can you cite any other similar events.
#115. To: Tooconservative (#112)
" But can you cite any other similar events. "
#116. To: Liberator (#114)
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