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Title: Condoleezza Rice says US needs to consider Second Amendment's place in 'modern world'
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URL Source: http://www.foxnews.com/politics/201 ... nts-place-in-modern-world.html
Published: Feb 25, 2018
Author: Amy Lieu
Post Date: 2018-02-25 07:27:02 by IbJensen
Keywords: None
Views: 14112
Comments: 144
This month's massacre in Parkland, Fla., seems like a key moment in the nation's ongoing debate about the Second Amendment, former U.S. Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice said during a radio interview Friday.
“I think it is time to have a conversation about what the right to bear arms means in the modern world,” Rice told radio host Hugh Hewitt on Friday. “I don’t understand why civilians need to have access to military weapons. We wouldn’t say you can go out and buy a tank.”
More specifically, Rice said weapons like the AR-15 rifle that authorities say shooting suspect Nikolas Cruz, 19, used to kill 17 students and teachers Feb. 14, shouldn't be available to civilians, the Washington Times reported.
NIKOLAS CRUZ CHARGED IN FLORIDA SCHOOL SHOOTING
But Rice, who served under President George W. Bush, made clear that she remains a believer in the Second Amendment.
“We can’t throw away the Second Amendment and keep the First,” she said, adding that she considers the first two amendments to the Constitution to be “indivisible.”
“We can’t throw away the Second Amendment and keep the First.” - Condoleezza Rice, former U.S. secretary of state
Hewitt then asked if Rice -- being an educator herself as a political science professor at Stanford University -- supports the idea of teachers carrying guns as a deterrent to potential campus shootings.
Rice said she doesn’t think that is “going to be the answer,” the Washington Times reported.
“I don’t really like the idea, frankly, of a gun in my classroom,” she said.
Rather, she supports looking to law enforcement and guards as ways for protection.
Rice, 63, was exposed to senseless violence at an early age, having grown up in Birmingham, Ala., where the bombing of the 16th Street Baptist Church in 1963 resulted in the deaths of four young girls. She has written and spoken frequently about the impression the horrific event made on her.
She told Hewitt that despite her reservations about weapons in the classroom, the proposal merited a serious discussion.
(Watch video at link)
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“Modern world”
Same modern world pissing away their freedom left and right? No thanks Bush Globalist Harpy. The Second Amendment is to provide protection against a hungry, immense, evil and bankrupt government!(1 image)
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#85. To: Deckard, A K A Stone, Gatlin, Ib Jensen, sneakypete, Liberator (#79)
He should move to Maryland. You are inferring that I believe that “assault weapons” are not protected by the Second Amendment. It is my opinion that those weapons maliciously labeled “assault weapons” to incite negative reactions are indeed protected by the Second Amendment. If you have any questions as to my positions on anything...it would be beneficial for you to just ask me. Assault Weapons Not Protected by Second Amendment, Federal Appeals Court Rules
That some gross fallacious reasoning. You shouldn’t use faulty inferences in your deductive reasoning.
#86. To: IbJensen (#78)
Yes, I know…that has been said before and I take no offense in hearing it again. I fully realize that I have the innate capacity for saying things in an unkind and indirect way when criticizing somebody and pointing out the error of their way or exposing their unpleasant traits. But don’t be frighten off by that….put on your “big boy” facade and try to dispute my facts when you can. You are a snide one, Gatlin!
#87. To: VxH, taters coven, Condi Republicans (#80)
Condi Republicans, Taters Coven
"Not a Witch!"
#88. To: Y'ALL -- Gatlin can't debate his opinions (#76) (Edited)
gatlin---- saying the Second Amendment was written for the Americans to take up arms against our government is purely opinionated bullshit. George Washington himself proved this to be true when armed Americans took up guns against what they viewed and George Washington’s administration tyrannical government imposing taxes on of all things, whiskey. Well, President Washington called up 13,000 militia men into the army and Washington personally led the troops to squash the rebellion of armed citizens in Bedford, Pennsylvania.
Gatlins opinion claiming that: --- "saying the Second Amendment was written for the Americans to take up arms against our government is purely opinionated bullshit". --- is purely semantic word-play bullshit itself, --- seeing that everyone here is writing that the first explanatory line of the 2nd explains why the right shall not be infringed.
The milita, the people, --- when no longer living in a free state, --- have a right to take up arms against their oppressive government if it cannot be changed peacefully.
That is the clear intent of the 2nd, and gatlins silly attempt to claim the whiskey rebellion proves otherwise is flawed by the fact that it was about booze taxes, and Washington had no constitutional power to raise an army and confiscate arms.. He acted unconstitutionally, and nothing was done about his act.
Gatlin: Put on your “big boy” facade and try to dispute my facts when you can.
#89. To: hondo68 (#87)
Does the Princess Lea costume come with a pre-installed cocaine addiction... or is that extra?
#90. To: tpaine, gatltin, hates liberty, and God given rights (#88)
That is the clear intent of the 2nd, and gatlins silly attempt to claim the whiskey rebellion proves otherwise is flawed by the fact that it was about booze taxes, and Washington had no constitutional power to raise an army and confiscate arms.. He acted unconstitutionally, and nothing was done about his act.
Gatlin's facts about the Whiskey Rebellion are wrong anyway. President Washington did NOT lead the Army against the rebels, but gave the job to one of his Revolutionary War Generals.
President Washington later showed up to beat down that general for abusing his powers and arresting and imprisoning people under cruel conditions without reasonable suspicion that they were involved in any way.
Eventually 2 people were tried and given light sentences for the Whiskey Rebellion. George Washington respected the right of armed rebellion against government, so the "perps" were only given a slap on the wrist.
#91. To: hondo68, Gatlin, Put on your big boy facade and try to dispute the facts.. (#90)
Gatlin's facts about the Whiskey Rebellion are wrong anyway. President Washington did NOT lead the Army against the rebels, but gave the job to one of his Revolutionary War Generals.President Washington later showed up to beat down that general for abusing his powers and arresting and imprisoning people under cruel conditions without reasonable suspicion that they were involved in any way.
Eventually 2 people were tried and given light sentences for the Whiskey Rebellion. George Washington respected the right of armed rebellion against government, so the "perps" were only given a slap on the wrist.
Maybe he'll answer you..
Gatlin is too much of a coward to debate me.. He did in the past, but stopped when he lost a lot, poor little fella.
#92. To: Tooconservative (#52)
You really should edit that comment. Not everything has to be shared.
Never fear the truth...
I'm the infidel... Allah warned you about. كافر المسلح
#93. To: GrandIsland, Y'all (#92)
Tooconservative --- You really should edit that comment. Not everything has to be shared.
Never fear the truth. ---- GrandIsland
Unless the ATF, or the FBI gets on your ass....
#94. To: All (#0)
Rice says US needs to consider Second Amendment's place in 'modern world'
Several thoughts...
1. I'm very much NOT a fan of Ms. Rice
2. Ms. Rice is exponentially smarter than pretty much all of you malcontents in this chat-room
3. Her ideas in this regard are valid and should be considered by any rational intelligent individual.
#95. To: tpaine (#93)
I'm not worried. They don't even need a warrant to search my house. I have nothing to hide.
I'm the infidel... Allah warned you about. كافر المسلح
#96. To: Gatlin (#86)
...when criticizing somebody and pointing out the error of their way or exposing their unpleasant traits.
Unpleasant?
I daresay it is you who are exceedingly unpleasant. I will in the future ignore any response you make to my posted articles or comments considering the loutish source.
Liberals are like Slinkys. They're good for nothing, but somehow they bring a smile to your face as you shove them down the stairs.
#97. To: GrandIsland, boasts about, --- killing the parts of my family that endanger my agenda --- (#95)
I'm not worried. They don't even need a warrant to search my house. I have nothing to hide.
You should worry that some agency would question your mental health about the following statement you made : ----
I'd most likely be a rogue combatant... protecting just my own family and killing the parts of my family that endanger my agenda or are dead weight. ---- GrandIsland posted on 2018-02-25
#98. To: IbJensen (#96)
I will in the future ignore any response you make to my posted articles or comments considering the loutish source.
Thank you.
I will continue to post for everyone else to see.
You just sit there and silently take your severe whippings.
#99. To: IbJensen (#96)
Gatlin (#86) ---- .when criticizing somebody and pointing out the error of their way or exposing their unpleasant traits.
Unpleasant?
I daresay it is you who are exceedingly unpleasant. I will in the future ignore any response you make to my posted articles or comments considering the loutish source. ---- IbJensen
Please, don't bozo the oaf. Gatlin needs all the disdain we can give him..
Cowards need to be told the truth. Even they can't ignore it forever...
#100. To: GrandIsland (#50)
I'd think bombs and explosives would be the hot item for underground manufacturing.
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...a host of retired police officers also wrote, calling Gonzales a “domestic terrorist.” They described incidents in which Gonzales’ organization, the Crusade For Justice, turned violent.
Members were arrested on bomb charges, and one battle with police resulted in the shooting death of a young man and an explosion next to the Crusade’s headquarters.
Charles Rowland, who worked with the Denver Police Department’s bomb squad for 21 years, wrote that the city was “known as the bomb capital of the United States. Most of these devices led back to the Crusade. I can’t believe Denver would even think of honoring this person. To me, it’s like hugging Jane Fonda.”
Same Ol'
#101. To: tpaine (#97)
My sanity is spot on. You're just to weak to know it.
lol
I'm the infidel... Allah warned you about. كافر المسلح
#102. To: VxH (#100)
Open for business.
God bless America, land of the free, and home of the brave. Offer void where prohibited.
#103. To: hondo68 (#102) (Edited)
Yep.
Denver Lutheran High School went bankrupt and is now named after "The Poet Laureat of Aztlan".
But - don't forget to vote for the train! (so Governor Chickenlooper's Jesuit MarxBankster cronies can keep their caboo$e on track to the White Hut).
#104. To: Gatlin, Liberator, tpaine (#83)
This non-partisan association of current and formerly serving military, police, and first responders have declared that they will not obey unconstitutional orders, such as orders to disarm the American people, to conduct warrantless searches, or to detain Americans as “enemy combatants” in violation of their ancient right to jury trial.
There goes Parsons again - showing his disdain for those military, law enforcement and first responders who have taken an oath to the Constitution and refuse to obey unconstitutional edicts. Thank God for Patriots like the Oathkeepers who are willing to put their lives on the line and stand against tyranny.
Oathkeepers: Orders we will not obey:
1. We will NOT obey any order to disarm the American people.
That must be why Parson loathes them.
...all the other loud-mouth cowards
The only loud mouthed coward here is you Parsons, submissively grovelling before the almighty State, happy to live on your knees as others are willing to fight back against a tyrannical rogue government.
“Truth is treason in the empire of lies.†- Ron Paul
Those who most loudly denounce Fake News are typically those most aggressively disseminating it.
#105. To: Gatlin (#98)
I will continue to post for everyone else to see.
You just sit there and silently take your severe whippings.
A sadist as well.
Liberals are like Slinkys. They're good for nothing, but somehow they bring a smile to your face as you shove them down the stairs.
#106. To: Liberator, Deckard (#39)
" Great, legit questions...He's a goose-stepping Totalitarian Statist. Anti-Constitution. At least it's on record.
No further use in engaging. "
That has been quite clear to anyone paying attention !!
And has been for quite some time !!
Most here know how Tater / Parsons is, and what kind of person he is !!
Si vis pacem, para bellum
Rebellion to tyrants is obedience to God.
Never Pick A Fight With An Old Man He Will Just Shoot You He Can't Afford To Get Hurt
"If there are no dogs in Heaven, then when I die I want to go where they went." (Will Rogers)
#107. To: tpaine, Deckard, Stoner, Gilligan aka TROLL (#88)
Gatlins opinion claiming that: --- "saying the Second Amendment was written for the Americans to take up arms against our government is purely opinionated bullshit". --- is purely semantic word-play bullshit itself, --- seeing that everyone here is writing that the first explanatory line of the 2nd explains why the right shall not be infringed.
100% BS. That it is. Always was. Always will be.
Gilligan a Troll.
You can't debate a Troll, a forum Vampire. They don't engage with honest or sincere intent.
#108. To: Stoner, Deckard (#106)
Most here know how Tater / Parsons is, and what kind of person he is !!
He's just hit the BOZO-TROLL List. The ONLY one. Yes, he's that stupid, useless, and mentally unfit.
#109. To: Liberator, Deckard, A K A Stone (#18)
" the Second Amendment exists precisely in the case that government "goes rogue" and becomes a dictatorship. "
Look to fairly recent history for example.
Look up " Battle of Athens Tennessee 1946 "
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Athens_%281946%29
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T9tUQxsrQGw
Quite interesting bit of history
Si vis pacem, para bellum
Rebellion to tyrants is obedience to God.
Never Pick A Fight With An Old Man He Will Just Shoot You He Can't Afford To Get Hurt
"If there are no dogs in Heaven, then when I die I want to go where they went." (Will Rogers)
#110. To: Sneakypete, All (#109)
" " the Second Amendment exists precisely in the case that government "goes rogue" and becomes a dictatorship. "Look to fairly recent history for example.
Look up " Battle of Athens Tennessee 1946 "
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Athens_%281946%29
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T9tUQxsrQGw
Quite interesting bit of history "
Pete, I had intended to ping you. Sorry for the oversight !
Si vis pacem, para bellum
Rebellion to tyrants is obedience to God.
Never Pick A Fight With An Old Man He Will Just Shoot You He Can't Afford To Get Hurt
"If there are no dogs in Heaven, then when I die I want to go where they went." (Will Rogers)
#111. To: Deckard, tpaine (#104)
Oathkeepers: Orders we will not obey:1. We will NOT obey any order to disarm the American people.
That must be why Parson loathes them.
...all the other loud-mouth cowards
The only loud mouthed coward here is you Parsons, submissively grovelling before the almighty State, happy to live on your knees as others are willing to fight back against a tyrannical rogue government.
OUCH.
+100
#112. To: Stoner (#109)
Look up " Battle of Athens Tennessee 1946 "
A beloved story. But can you cite any other similar events.
That's the problem with the argument, however much we all agree on the principles.
It's far too easy to dismiss as a lone outlier in some corrupt inbred hillbilly town. And there are a lot of people who love this story who would nevertheless get upset if something like that happened in their own town.
#113. To: Stoner, Deckard, A K A Stone (#109)
EXCELLENT LINK! Watched the entire 10:00. Great flick (which would never see the light of day these days.)
Making THE case for the 2A -- Battle of Athens Tennessee 1946
#114. To: Tooconservative, Stoner (#112) (Edited)
But can you cite any other similar events.That's the problem with the argument...
Uh, no.
Your demand for subsequent examples of the 2A doing what it's supposed to is the problem with pro-Statists. Do you believe 'The Patriot Act' and it's UNREAD LEGISLATIVE ENACTMENT was justified or even had the consent of the governed?
"A Beloved Story."
NOT quite feeling the "love" from you.
#115. To: Tooconservative (#112)
" But can you cite any other similar events. "
No. I think one is enough.
" there are a lot of people who love this story who would nevertheless get upset if something like that happened in their own town. "
So, you think they should be happy if some thug took over a town ?? Bizare !!!
Si vis pacem, para bellum
Rebellion to tyrants is obedience to God.
Never Pick A Fight With An Old Man He Will Just Shoot You He Can't Afford To Get Hurt
"If there are no dogs in Heaven, then when I die I want to go where they went." (Will Rogers)
#116. To: Liberator (#114)
I am rather surprised at Tooconservative's attitude on this!
Si vis pacem, para bellum
Rebellion to tyrants is obedience to God.
Never Pick A Fight With An Old Man He Will Just Shoot You He Can't Afford To Get Hurt
"If there are no dogs in Heaven, then when I die I want to go where they went." (Will Rogers)
#117. To: Stoner, Tooconservative (#116)
I am rather surprised at Tooconservative's attitude on this!
At times he likes to play Devil's Advocate just to stir things up.
But at times he does straddle The Fence.
#118. To: Stoner (#110)
Pete, I had intended to ping you. Sorry for the oversight !
No problem. It looks like you have the situation in hand by mentioning the battle of Athens,Tn.
BTW,there was a movie made about that. A pretty good one,too.
In the entire history of the world,the only nations that had to build walls to keep their own citizens from leaving were those with leftist governments.
#119. To: Tooconservative (#112)
It's far too easy to dismiss as a lone outlier in some corrupt inbred hillbilly town.
When you mention inbred and corrupt you should be talking about the big-city stench of places like NYC and LA"
In the entire history of the world,the only nations that had to build walls to keep their own citizens from leaving were those with leftist governments.
#120. To: sneakypete (#118)
" BTW,there was a movie made about that. A pretty good one,too. "
Yeah, I posted the link at # 110
Si vis pacem, para bellum
Rebellion to tyrants is obedience to God.
Never Pick A Fight With An Old Man He Will Just Shoot You He Can't Afford To Get Hurt
"If there are no dogs in Heaven, then when I die I want to go where they went." (Will Rogers)
#121. To: sneakypete (#118)
BTW,there was a movie made about that. A pretty good one,too.
Some based-on-a-real-story flick, set in Texas.
Not accurate.
I would enjoy seeing an accurate movie or documentary about it but they've never made one.
#122. To: GrandIsland, Laughing out loud about killing parts of his family. (#101)
I'd most likely be a rogue combatant... protecting just my own family and killing the parts of my family that endanger my agenda or are dead weight. ---- GrandIsland posted on 2018-02-25
My sanity is spot on.----- lol
You should worry that some agency would question your mental health about your statements above..
Laughing out loud about killing parts of your family is "spot on" proof of your insanity...
#123. To: tpaine (#122)
NOT cool to broadcast that kind of mistake.
Please consider deleting.
#124. To: sneakypete, Stoner (#118)
BTW,there was a movie made about that. A pretty good one,too.
Stoner provided the link to the key part of the flick.
#125. To: Stoner, sneakypete, Tooconservative (#109)
The primary election was held on August 1.To intimidate voters, Mansfield brought in some 200 armed "deputies." GI poll-watchers were beaten almost at once.
At about 3 p.m., Tom Gillespie, an African- American voter was told by a sheriff's deputy that he could not vote. Despite being beaten, Gillespie persisted. The enraged deputy shot him. The gunshot drew a crowd. Rumors spread that Gillespie had been shot in the back; he later recovered.
Other deputies detained ex-GI poll-watchers in a polling place, as that made the ballot counting "public." A crowd gathered. Sheriff Mansfield told his deputies to disperse the crowd.
When the two ex-GIs smashed a big window and escaped, the crowd surged forward. The deputies, with guns drawn, formed a tight half-circle around the front of the polling place. One deputy, "his gun raised high...shouted: 'If you sons of bitches cross this street I'll kill you!'"
Mansfield took the ballot boxes to the jail for counting. The deputies seemed to fear immediate attack by the "people who had just liberated Europe and the South Pacific from two of the most powerful war machines in human history" Short of firearms and ammunition, the GIs scoured the county to find them.
By borrowing keys to the National Guard and State Guard armories, they got three M1 Garand rifles, five .45 semi-automatic pistols and 24 British Enfield rifles. The armories were nearly empty after the war's end.
By 8 p.m. a group of GIs and "local boys" headed for the jail but left the back door unguarded to give the jail's defenders an easy way out. Three GIs alerting passersby to danger were fired on from the jail. Two GIs were wounded. Other GIs returned fire. Firing subsided after 30 minutes; ammunition ran low and night had fallen.
Thick brick walls shielded those inside the jail.
Absent radios, the GIs' rifle fire was uncoordinated. "From the hillside fire rose and fell in disorganized cascades. More than anything else, people were simply shooting at the jail"
Several who ventured into the street in front of the jail were wounded. One man inside the jail was badly hurt; he recovered.
Most sheriff's deputies wanted to hunker down and await rescue. Governor McCord mobilized the State Guard, perhaps to scare the GIs into withdrawing. The State Guard never went to Athens. McCord may have feared that Guard units filled with ex-GIs might not fire on other ex-GIs. At about 2 a.m. on August 2, the GIs forced the issue. Men from Meigs County threw dynamite sticks and damaged the jail's porch. The panicked deputies surrendered. GIs quickly secured the building. Paul Cantrell faded into the night, having almost been shot by a GI who knew him, but whose .45 pistol had jammed. Mansfield's deputies were kept overnight in jail for their own safety. Calm soon returned. The GIs posted guards. The rifles borrowed from the armory were cleaned and returned before sunup.
Interesting account from the poster of the YT video.
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