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politics and politicians Title: The Tea Party [Freedom Caucus], Not Democrats or Republicans, Is the Problem The Tea Party [Freedom Caucus], Not Democrats or Republicans, Is the Problem. It’s de rigueur to decry ‘partisanship’ as Washington’s ‘real problem.’ Let’s get real—the most destructive force in American politics today is the Tea Party, says Jon Favreau. So now that our government is open and able to pay its bills, what soon-to-be-forgotten lessons have we learned from this sorry fiasco? Perhaps most important is the reminder that political temper tantrums in Washington exact a toll that goes far beyond unfavorable headlines and worse-than-dog-poo poll numbers. This decision hurt people. Some families couldn’t pay their bills. Others had nowhere safe to send their children while they worked. Poor women lost vouchers that helped buy food and formula for their newborns. Cancer treatments were put on hold for patients who didn’t have much time to waste. All told, the shutdown and flirtation with default cost America north of $20 billion. The countries that weren’t busy mocking us were frightened by our behavior, wondering if the world’s wealthiest nation would become the world’s deadbeat nation, taking everyone else down with us in a global collapse worse than 2008. And for what? For what purpose was this pain and humiliation inflicted upon the American people? Yes, you, Rep. Marlin Stutzman from Indiana. Do you have an answer? “We’re not going to be disrespected. We have to get something out of this. And I don’t know what that even is.” Oh. Which brings me to the second shutdown lesson. As a country, we may never get a more revealing, disturbing look at the true source of Washington’s dysfunction than we did over the last few weeks. Together, we endured a 21-hour non- filibuster speech from White Castle enthusiast Ted Cruz that was so devoid of self-awareness I’m not even sure he knew he was giving it. We saw Sarah Palin come all the way back from the small town of Irrelevancy, Alaska, to lead the charge against an open-air memorial that was blocked by a 3-foot barricade, while a few assholes waved Confederate flags outside the White House and reminded each other that Obama’s a Muslim, just for good measure. We saw the shutdown rationale shift from defunding Obamacare to delaying Obamacare to cutting spending to reforming entitlements to charging congressional staffers more for health insurance to cutting taxes for stethoscope manufacturers to something, anything that would embarrass the president. As we inched closer to the abyss, we witnessed a parade of right-wing mathletes run the numbers and confidently deny the economic catastrophe that would result from America’s first-ever financial default. And as the speaker of the House made one last half-hearted effort to save his caucus from total defeat, we watched Jim DeMint’s Heritage Foundation kill the plan with a press release, a move just about everyone saw coming that only served to remind us who’s really in charge. In Official Washington, decrying “partisanship” as the “real problem” is the prerequisite for being taken seriously as a smart, unbiased political commentator. But from where we stand right now, partisanship is not the problem. Democrats are not the problem. Republicans are not the problem. The relationship between President Obama and John Boehner is not the problem. The Tea Party is the problem. The Tea Party is the most destructive force in American politics today. Over the last few weeks, it has demonstrated again that its intent is not to shake up the establishment but to burn down the village. As a Democrat, I disagree with its policy positions, but its policy positions alone are not what make the Tea Party so dangerous. What makes the Tea Party dangerous is its members’ willful disregard for the most basic tenets of American democracy. They do not believe in the legitimacy of our president. They do not believe in the legitimacy of decisions handed down by our Supreme Court. Unlike President Obama, Harry Reid, Mitch McConnell, John Boehner, or a host of other Democratic and Republican lawmakers who grasp the basic reality of politics, they have never, not once shown a willingness to compromise on anything. Merely uttering the word is enough to draw a primary challenge. All this, despite the fact that the Tea Party represents the views of a small, ever- shrinking fraction of Americans. Even within the Republican Party, its members’ favorability hovers around 50 percent, the lowest of all time. Their recent legislative strategy, a word that can be used only in its loosest sense, led to 144 Tea Party House members voting against a bipartisan compromise simply to open the government and avert default. But when Reuters polled people who weren’t satisfied with last week’s outcome, only 2 percent said it was because the House passed the Senate’s bipartisan bill. Only 5 percent said it was because Republicans compromised. Only 3 percent said it was because default would have taught our government an important lesson. Most people said their main dissatisfaction was with the ugly process the Tea Party dragged us all through. And yet, somehow, this small minority of Tea Party House members, who represent less than one half of one legislative body in one branch of government, has been given enormous influence over the national agenda—a situation without precedent in American political history. It’s insanity. The president and Boehner can hang out, drink beers, play golf, and shake hands on all kinds of deals. Boehner has been open to revenue in the past. Obama has put entitlement cuts on the table that made his party uncomfortable. The Senate has already passed bipartisan immigration legislation, and there are enough Republicans and Democrats in Congress who are willing to compromise and make progress on any number of issues. But Boehner was, in his own words, “overrun” by the Tea Party during the shutdown, and so long as he and other Republicans fear challenges from the fringe more than the frustrations of the majority, nothing will get done. And we will find ourselves in the same predicament again and again, regardless of who is elected president or speaker or majority leader. The Republican Party is at war with itself. And as tempting as it might be for Democrats to gloat from the sidelines, it is in all of our interests—Democrats, independents, and Republicans—to make sure the Tea Party doesn’t win. In 2014, candidates of both parties should challenge their rivals to sign a No Shutdown Pledge and a No Default Pledge. In House races, candidates should be asked whether they’re willing to violate the ridiculous Hastert rule and allow simple up-or-down votes on legislation that could pass with bipartisan support, no matter who holds the majority. In Senate races, they should be asked whether they’re willing to make it harder for bipartisan legislation to be filibustered by a Ted Cruz or a Mike Lee. Democrats and Republicans can argue all they want over the role of government, but we cannot allow the Tea Party to continue holding the country hostage over its kamikaze mission to destroy government. The vast majority of Americans reject that mission, and we’re not about to sacrifice ourselves or our democracy as collateral damage. It’s time for all of us to get together and fight the crazy. Post Comment Private Reply Ignore Thread Top • Page Up • Full Thread • Page Down • Bottom/Latest In 2013 it was the Tea Party. Today it is the Democrat Party that is on a kamikaze mission to destroy the President at any cost. The Tea Party failed, and the Democrats will fail. Republicans failed long ago. We're governed by failures all around. Throw them all out and replace them with the Olympians when they come home from Korea. True, they know nothing about politics. But the people who run Washington know everything about politics - and they keep crashing the plane. So it won't be worse. And the Olympians, at least, every one of them, have a decades-long tradition of self-discipline and focus on what is necessary to succeed. The politicians also know how to succeed - in getting elected - but self-discipline has nothing to do with it. Since we're not really going to do that, we just have to tend our own gardens and hope for the best. There's no real chance that our government is going to get any better.
#2. To: Gatlin (#0) (Edited) Poster Comment: Jon Favreau is a Democrat and wrote this article for The Daily Beast back in October, 2013. He says that the Tea Party [Freedom Caucus] is the most destructive force in American politics today. And what makes the Tea Party dangerous is its members’ willful disregard for the most basic tenets of American democracy. They have never, not once shown a willingness to compromise on anything. Where is Jon Favreau wrong? Have you gone to the dark side quoting Obama's Director of Speechwriting. He is Wrong and so are you. Democrats are always a problem. The tea party is was the solution. You're sounding like a snowflake. The budget needs to be balanced. You are completely wrong here. Rand Paul and the freedom caucus are correct. You don't compromise with evil you defeat it. That is what got us in this boat half assed compromise. Did we compromise with the British? No we defeated them.
#3. To: Vicomte13 (#1) Throw them all out and replace them with the Olympians when they come home from Korea. Haha yes let's go like the poop and embrace faggots.
#4. To: Vicomte13 (#1) There is an article by Paul Waldman [dated February 3, 2016] titled Paul Ryan to Tea Party: You are the problem which I cannot post since it is behind a pay wall. But I can post the speech the article is written about. It was the fascinating speech by Paul Ryan at Heritage Action, a tea party-allied organization that has fashioned itself as the guardian of conservative purity. In his speech, Ryan called for unity. “To quote William Wallace in Braveheart,” he said, “we have to unite the clans.” However his speech was actually a revocation of things the tea party has done. Ryan also used the occasion to take shots at the congressional Republican leadership, and even the GOP presidential candidates at that time. While he didn’t actually call anyone out by name, but with an understanding of what was happening then and the conflict that has continued to roil in the Republican Party in recent years, the salient critique was hard to miss...and his points are still as important today as much as there were then. I believe we can all win when we get together and have an ideas contest. But we lose when certain individuals make it a personality contest. Conservatives cannot win while some of the Tea Party and Freedom Caucus are acting like angry reactionaries. The actions by some in the Tea Party and Freedom Caucus has created a fragmented conservative movement that is now letting the progressives win by default. The Left is enjoying the action as the Tea Party and the Freedom Caucus continue to cause the conservative movement to stand in a circular firing squad. This revolting display of alpha personalities playing to TV cameras only permits progressives to win by dereliction. The Left just sits back and laughs as they follow the old Napoleon Bonaparte adage: “Never interrupt your enemy when he is making a mistake.” The Tea Party and the Freedom Caucus didn’t listen to Ryan back then and they will still today only listen to each other as they continually strut and pump their already overinflated egos . It seems nothing will ever change that. The speech by Paul Ryan: WASHINGTON — Today, House Speaker Paul Ryan (R-WI) attended the Heritage Action Conservative Policy Summit to discuss opportunities to unite around a bold agenda to save the American Idea. Watch the event live here. Below are his full remarks as prepared for delivery: We Have to Unite Conservatives “Thank you very much. I want to thank Mike and everyone at Heritage Action for hosting us today. These are the kinds of conversations we need to be having. These are the kinds of conversations we were having when I was working for Jack Kemp at Empower America. That’s how House Republicans put together the Contract with America. “I’m a Jack Kemp, Ronald Reagan conservative. They both understood we need to be talking about what our vision is and how we can make it a reality. We need to raise our gaze. That’s how you move America forward. And that’s what I want to talk to you about. “Let’s cut to the chase: There are a lot of people hurting in America right now. They don’t think the promise of this country is real for them. The American Idea—that the condition of your birth, it does not determine the outcome of your life—a lot of people don’t think that’s true anymore. And if the American Idea is not true for everybody, then it is not true at all. “And we just can’t accept that. It goes against everything this country stands for. We are the conservative party. We want to conserve this country’s promise. And so we care about opportunity. We want every person in this country to find the American dream. That is our mission. “So the question we face in 2016 is simple: Do we want more of the same? Do we want the liberal progressives to lock in all their gains? Or are we, the other party— the conservative party—going to get the country back on the right track? And how do we do that? “To quote William Wallace in Braveheart, we have to unite the clans. “We have to unite conservatives around a bold, pro-growth agenda that will get America back on track—and then take our agenda to the people. We have to take our founding principles—freedom, liberty, free enterprise, self-determination, government by consent—apply them to the problems of the day, and come up with real solutions that will build a confident America. If we don’t think the country’s headed in the right direction—and we don’t—then we have an obligation to give the people of this nation a choice for a better way forward. And that’s what House Republicans are going to do. “My theory of the case is this: We win when we have an ideas contest. We lose when we have a personality contest. We can’t fall into the progressives’ trap of acting like angry reactionaries. The Left would love nothing more than for a fragmented conservative movement to stand in a circular firing squad, so the progressives can win by default. “This president is struggling to remain relevant in an election year when he’s not on the ballot. He is going to do all he can to elect another progressive by distracting the American people. So he’s going to try to get us talking about guns or some other hot-button issue and not about his failures on ISIS or the economy or national security. He’s going to try to knock us off our game. We have to understand his distractions for what they are. Otherwise, we’re going to have a distraction this week, next week, and the week after that. And that’s going to be the Obama playbook all year long. “And so what I want to say to you today is this: Don’t take the bait. Don’t fight over tactics. And don’t impugn people’s motives. It’s fine if you disagree. And there’s a lot that’s rotten in Washington. There’s no doubt about that. But we can’t let how you vote on an amendment to an appropriations bill define what it means to be a conservative. Because, it’s setting our sights too low. Frankly, that’s letting the president define us. That’s what he wants us to do. That’s defining ourselves as an opposition party, instead of a proposition party. “So we have to be straight with each other, and more importantly, we have to be straight with the American people. We can’t promise that we can repeal Obamacare when a guy with the last name Obama is president. All that does is set us up for failure . . . and disappointment . . . and recriminations. “When voices in the conservative movement demand things that they know we can’t achieve with a Democrat in the White House, all that does is depress our base and in turn help Democrats stay in the White House. We can’t do that anymore. “I don’t want to set us up for failure. I want to set us up for success. That’s something we all can work on—together. And the way to do that is to unify around a vision. We need to define the horizon we’re aiming for. And then we need to bring the rest of the country with us. “That’s why I’m really heartened by what you’re doing today. You’ve put out your plan to get America back on track. Now we’re putting together our own. And today we’re going to share ideas and flesh out our vision. If we keep this up, I think there will be no question that in 2016 the Republican party will be the party of ideas. As you know, we’re already at work on our agenda. It has five parts: national security; jobs and economic growth; health care; poverty and opportunity. . . . “And finally, the last piece of this agenda—and it is so critical to all the others—is restoring the Constitution. The president's executive overreach has undermined the Constitution and damaged the people’s trust. What needs to be done to restore the separation of powers and protect our constitutional liberties? What good is enacting all these great conservative policies if another charismatic progressive can talk his or her way into the White House again and undo it all with a pen and a phone? “So, those are our five points. We’re saying, here is what we will do if you, the men and women of America, give us a Republican president we can work with to do this. And we’re ready to work with everyone at Heritage Action as we put together that agenda. “We want your ideas and your input. As far as I’m concerned, if you have ideas, we’re all ears. “Because the way I see it, that’s how we turn the country around. In the late 1970s, Jack Kemp and House conservatives put out a plan to cut taxes and restore America to her greatness. It was bold and aspirational. It was so compelling that Ronald Reagan ran on those ideas in 1980. “And what happened? Reagan ran the tables. The Republican party won a mandate from the people, and the rest, as they say, is history. And Mandate for Leadership was a cornerstone of that moment. “Well, that is exactly what we need to do today. And the stakes are even higher. So we need to be inspirational. We need to be inclusive. We need to show how our principles and policies are universal and how they apply to everybody. We know that the economy is weak. We know that the world is on fire. We know that the future is uncertain. There’s a lot of frustration and anger out there. And is it justified? It sure is. “But we should not follow the Democrats and play identity politics. Let's talk to people in ways that unite us and that are unique to America's founding. That’s what I think people are hungry for. And that really is the essence of the Republican party— or, more importantly, the essence of the conservative movement. And that is our mission for the next six months. “All told, I am excited. I am optimistic. Why? Because the Left is intellectually exhausted. Their ideas have failed. And we are just getting started. We have all the makings for a mandate from the people to save the American Idea. Now let’s go get it.”
#5. To: Gatlin, compromising snowflake, *The Two Parties ARE the Same* (#0) (Edited)
Gatlin & Trump's snowflake nation will compromise on anything. That's how we've got record spending, a new deficit high, and Hillary McCain's foreign policy of forever wars. It takes guts and moral values to hold the line and demand AMERICA FIRST! The real Tea Party and the Freedom Caucus have them, the D&R party Trump/Schumer Deep State Swamp Coalition of compromise doesn't.
#6. To: Gatlin (#0) What makes the Tea Party dangerous is its members’ willful disregard for the most basic tenets of American democracy. The shutdown was the result of Mr. Schumer and his clan insisting on amnesty for 700,000 illegals in exchange for passing a budget. A) What did the Tea Party have to do with that and, B) How did that follow "the most basic tenets of of American democracy"?
#7. To: Vicomte13 (#1) (Edited) Throw them all out and replace them with the Olympians when they come home from Korea. [U.S. Figure Skater Adam Rippon Unimpressed By ‘Generic’ Olympic Condoms] Eff the "Olympians" and the "elite" STD infested jackwagon they dribbled in on.
#8. To: Gatlin (#0) (Edited) What makes the Tea Party dangerous is its members’ willful disregard for the most basic tenets of American democracy. Meanwhile, in reality land, it's not Tea Party folks who are advocating gutting the first amendment and implementing restrictions upon freedom of speech on American college campuses and elsewhere. Nope, that'd be snowflakes like Comrade Favroo and his fellow Vanguard Elite Jesuit Schooled swine who'd happily sleep in the beds of the Farmhouse - WIF SHEETS!
============================= Dear Comrade Favrooo,    Have a Nice Day!
#9. To: VxH (#7) Eff the "Olympians" and the "elite" STD infested jackwagon they dribbled in on. Olympians are not infested with STDs - if they were it would drag down their performance - but they are true elites: the best in the world at what they do. Whether what they do is valuable or not is a matter of personal opinion, but the notion that they are not the epitome of athleticism is ridiculous. They are.
#10. To: Vicomte13 (#9) (Edited) ESAD/FOAD. If you do, you will.
 Bon Appetit, Mr. "Elite" Jesuitard!
#11. To: A K A Stone (#2) If you don’t read and learn from your enemy, and then use the learned information.....you cannot expect to defeat your enemy. You have lost from the beginning if you don’t know your enemy. Andwhen you fail to recognize and deal with a problem and all you can do is put your blinders on, stand around and wave pom poms while yelling “Rah-Rah Rand”....then you are doomed to live with the problem and continue to complain about it. Moving on … I unequivocally asked: “Where is Jon Favreau wrong?” And your response was: No, thank God....we did not.
#12. To: VxH (#10) ESAD/FOAD. Thank you for your kind words, Christian.
#13. To: Vicomte13 (#12) (Edited) Why don't you tell the class how AIDS improved the performance of Grandpa Viscount and his "nurse"; and how it's all their fault you didn't get a L.I.F.E.R. payoff from your "elite" navy "career", Grifter.
#14. To: Gatlin (#0) What makes the Tea Party dangerous is its members’ willful disregard for the most basic tenets of American democracy. We are NOT a democracy,you shithead. We are a Republic. Learn the difference and then get back to me. In the entire history of the world,the only nations that had to build walls to keep their own citizens from leaving were those with leftist governments. #15. To: misterwhite (#6) What makes the Tea Party dangerous is its members’ willful disregard for the most basic tenets of American democracy. The shutdown was the result of Mr. Schumer and his clan insisting on amnesty for 700,000 illegals in exchange for passing a budget. A) What did the Tea Party have to do with that and, B) How did that follow "the most basic tenets of of American democracy"?I will not attempt to answer your questions to Jon Favreau (@jonfavs). However, in reading your post, I feel it necessary to mention that this article was written on 10/2013. In 2013, Republicans sought changes to Obamacare in the shutdown fight and were accused of hurting people by refusing to budge during the 16-day closure. In the 2018 shutdown fight, Democrats are seeking protection for some 700,000 illegal immigrants granted protection by the Obama-era Deferred Action for Childhood Arrivals program.I hope this information is of some use ...
#16. To: sneakypete (#14) (Edited) What makes the Tea Party dangerous is its members’ willful disregard for the most basic tenets of American democracy. There is not a chance in Hell that Jon Favreau will ever read your post and “get back to you.” However, you may reach him @jonfavs ...
#17. To: Gatlin (#15) In the 2018 shutdown fight, Democrats are seeking protection for some 700,000 illegal immigrants granted protection by the Obama-era Deferred Action for Childhood Arrivals program ... ... by holding the federal budget hostage.
#18. To: misterwhite (#17) I am not debating that point...I only pointed out the date for your edification.
#19. To: A K A Stone (#2) He is Wrong and so are you. Democrats are always a problem. They have been THE problem ever since the Dim Party was formed because their goal from day one was to destroy our Republic and replace it with a Stalinist Democracy. "Fairness" demands that everyone but the leaders suffer equally. In the entire history of the world,the only nations that had to build walls to keep their own citizens from leaving were those with leftist governments. #20. To: VxH (#13) Why don't you tell the Class how AIDS improved the performance of Grandpa Viscount and his "nurse"? WTF does AIDS have to do with it? How many viruses are registered to vote or hold office? If you are not a homo,WTF are YOU so focused on AIDS? Someone can mention the temperature in Chicago,and idiots like you want to jump on the thread and start screaming about faggots and AIDS. Methinks thou protests too much. In the entire history of the world,the only nations that had to build walls to keep their own citizens from leaving were those with leftist governments. #21. To: Gatlin (#16) There is not a chance in Hell that Jon Favreau will ever read your post and “get back to you.” There is not one chance in hell of him responding. He's a Dim,which means he likes echo chambers where all he hears the live-long day is how wonderful and smart he is. In the entire history of the world,the only nations that had to build walls to keep their own citizens from leaving were those with leftist governments. #22. To: sneakypete, Vicomte13 (#20) (Edited) WTF does AIDS have to do with it? What do Condoms have to do with the "elite" Olympics? Sure, let's take the Uberfruit cakes off the ice and put MORE of 'em in the White Hut. FAIL.
#23. To: VxH (#13) (Edited) Why don't you tell the class how AIDS improved the performance of Grandpa Viscount and his "nurse"; and how it's all their fault you didn't get a L.I.F.E.R. payoff from your "elite" navy "career", Grifter. My father died of AIDS, that is true. How kind of you to bring it up. His live-in nurse stole all of the money I had invested over many years of Naval Service. He was able to do it, while I was deployed to Kuwait/Iraq and then Somalia because my mail went home, and he had many months to take it out of the mailbox, represent himself as me, and liquidate it all. I came back to zero dollars and a dying father. It was a crappy circumstance to be sure. So I took care of my father until the end. The thief spent all the money and died of AIDS. I never got it back. Now that you've brought that all up, sprinkled with all sorts of comments about my "elite" navy "career" - yes, it was an elite Navy career: I am a graduate, with honors, from the United States Naval Academy at Annapolis, and I was a naval aviator who served twice under combat conditions, and earned a NCM with a combat "V" for something that happened in one of those. You blithely dismiss - even attempt to weaponize, apparently - other people's personal tragedies and military service. Where did YOU serve? For how long? Ever get shot at serving your country? I'm not going to ask you about the death of your father, because it's such an indecent thing to do in a political argument that I can't even comprehend the mind that would stoop to it. But you go on being you. Men like I was will go on out there in the fleet defending your right to say such things. I tell people to grow a thick skin, and I have one. Know why? Hardships like the one you mocked above. My father died of AIDS. It was horrendous. Are you happy to bring it up? Does it make you feel big? Does it make you feel like you just pulled a "gotcha"?
#24. To: Vicomte13 (#23) (Edited) I was a naval aviator And No Retirement?
My father died of AIDS. Play "elite" games, win "elite" prizes, Mr. Überviscount. More of your kind of "elite" is the last thing this country needs running the show, Comrade. 
GFYSelves!
#25. To: A K A Stone (#3) Haha yes let's go like the poop and embrace faggots. You're calling all Olympians "faggots".
#26. To: VxH (#24) GFYSelves! You too.
#27. To: Vicomte13 (#25) No.
#28. To: sneakypete (#21) That's true ...
#29. To: Vicomte13 (#23) (Edited) yes, it was an elite Navy career: Evidently one that ended without retirement benefits or a career in civilian aviation.
I'm not going to ask you about the death of your father, He didn't die from AIDS. But yours did, Mr. Überviscount. That "Elite" Überblood you're so Überproud of, full of HIV. Tsk Tsk. Boohoo for Überyou.
#30. To: VxH (#29) Evidently one that ended without retirement benefits or a career in civilian aviation. Retirement requires 20 years of active duty. I left active duty at the 12 year point. Civilian aviation pays considerably less than what I chose for my second career. I did not much consider civilian aviation as something I would want to do after Navy Air. Not interested in driving a bus. Yes, my father died of AIDS. You seem to think that you are making a "point" by dragging this up into a political discussion. Everybody dies, VxH. The only point that you are making is that you are a cockroach.
#31. To: Vicomte13 (#30) (Edited) Civilian aviation pays considerably less than what I chose for my second career Flushing a$$paper into the global economic sewer system. Uhuh. Meanwhile, you still got a mortgage while most of the Commercial Aviators I've run into have several homes... all paid off.
Yes, my father died of AIDS. Was it Elite Über HIV that infected the Überblood, or just the regular kind? And, just how far did the "elite" Überapple fall from the "elite" Übertree? One of the things my dad, and the coworkers who were at his bedside when he died, taught their kids was -- nobody is smart enough to lie. YÜMMV, Comrade!
#32. To: VxH (#31) Cockroach.
#33. To: Vicomte13 (#32) Liar.
#34. To: VxH (#33) Are you a Christian?
#35. To: VxH (#22) WTF does AIDS have to do with it? That's the best lame shit you can come up with? I don't want to shock you,but condoms are also used to prevent pregnancy,as well as to prevent catching venereal diseases besides AIDS. And at the risk of putting you further into shock,Olympic athletes tend to be young in amazing physical condition. Which means sex drives pegging the meter. Boys and girls WILL do what boys and girls do when they are away from home. Deal with it. In the entire history of the world,the only nations that had to build walls to keep their own citizens from leaving were those with leftist governments. #36. To: VxH (#13) Why don't you tell the class how AIDS improved the performance of Grandpa Viscount and his "nurse"; and how it's all their fault you didn't get a L.I.F.E.R. payoff from your "elite" navy "career", Grifter. Do you tongue wrestle with your mother using that mouth? Or maybe your father and brother? Either way,you have all the class of Bill Maher. In the entire history of the world,the only nations that had to build walls to keep their own citizens from leaving were those with leftist governments. #37. To: VxH (#29) (Edited) But yours did, Mr. Überviscount. IF there is a GOD,he must be looking down on you and wondering to himself,"HTF did THAT happen? That SOB should have miscarried instead of living long enough to become a miscarriage. At any rate you can believe he's not pointing down to you as one of his finest works. In the entire history of the world,the only nations that had to build walls to keep their own citizens from leaving were those with leftist governments. #38. To: Vicomte13, VxH (#34) (Edited) Are you a Christian? He seems pretty typical to me. Have you seen AKA or any of the other Bible Thumpers here calling him out over this? In the entire history of the world,the only nations that had to build walls to keep their own citizens from leaving were those with leftist governments. #39. To: Vicomte13 (#34) (Edited) Are you a Christian? Why, you planning on assuming dominion over my faith with your "elite" Jesuit bullshyte, Comrade?
#40. To: sneakypete (#35) (Edited) Deal with it. XX+XY=Human Think about that with every wheeezing breath, turd burglar.
#41. To: VxH (#39) Are you a Christian? You talk like one.
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