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Older Men - Keep One Foot In The Dark Ages When You Really Want to Meet the Diversity Requirements CERN to test world's most powerful particle accelerator during April's solar eclipse Utopian Visionaries Who Won’t Leave People Alone Status: Not Logged In; Sign In International News See other International News Articles Title: Trump to Palestinian Authority: No More Aid, No More Talking, No More Anything Until You Commit to Peace Source: TimesOfIsrael via AoS URL Source: http://acecomments.mu.nu/?post=373538 Published: Jan 25, 2018 Author: Ace Post Date: 2018-01-25 17:57:07 by Tooconservative Keywords: None Views: 7210 Comments: 86 This Trump is so boorish. I wish we had a well-spoken chubby-faced College Boy like Marco who would talk tough for conservative crowds and then pursue the perpetual pay-off-the-Palestinians plan that the Establishment prefers. Oh well. We'll just have to take the crudity of words backed up by actual action instead of more words. In unscripted remarks to the press on Thursday, US President Donald Trump said the US would no longer transfer monetary aid to the Palestinians unless they entered peace negotiations with Israel, and excoriated the Palestinian leadership’s reaction to his decision last month to recognize Jerusalem as Israel's capital. "That money is not going to them unless they sit down and negotiate peace, because I can tell you that Israel does want to make peace, and they’re going to have to want to make peace, too, or we’re going to have nothing to do with it any longer," he said. Poster Comment: Haley is toeing the same line at the U.N. in a showdown with the Pali scumbag. Twitchy: Nikki Haley destroyed Mahmoud Abbas during the UN Security Council meeting … we love this woman. Nikki Haley skewers Mahmoud Abbas at UN Security Council meeting https://t.co/UDnGcYKOoH — Fox News (@FoxNews) January 25, 2018 From Fox News: U.S. Ambassador to the U.N. Nikki Haley launched a broadside Thursday at Palestinian Authority President Mahmoud Abbas, accusing him of indulging in “outrageous” conspiracy theories about Israel and lacking what is needed to secure peace in the region. Haley made the remarks at a meeting of the U.N. Security Council on the Middle East. She pointedly contrasted Abbas with leaders like the late Egyptian President Anwar Sadat, whom she cited as a leader “willing to step forward, acknowledge hard truths, and make compromises.” “Where is the Palestinian Anwar Sadat?” she asked She made Abbas SO mad … “We will not accept for the U.S. to be a mediator, because after what they have done to us — a believer shall not be stung twice in the same place,” Abbas said, according to The New York Times. Responding to U.S. threats to pull funding for the Palestianian Authority, he said: “Damn your money.” DAMN. Post Comment   Private Reply   Ignore Thread   Top • Page Up • Full Thread • Page Down • Bottom/Latest Begin Trace Mode for Comment # 61. #1. To: Tooconservative (#0) because I can tell you that Israel does want to make peace, and they’re going to have to want to make peace, too, I am not convinced Israel wants peace at all, except possibly on the condition that the Palestinians officially accept their second rate status. Israel will not accept a 2 state solution even if it means peace, though I'd love to be proven wrong. Of course Israel will claim they do want peace. If Trump were to make the same ultimatum to Israel it would be interesting to see the reaction. Maybe a 2 state solution OR no more money type deal. AIPAC would go anti-trump in an instant. Pinguinite  posted on  2018-01-25   18:17:28 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply   #22. To: Pinguinite (#1) I get it. You are a card carrying Jew hater, and you have demonstrated that many times. You would have been dancing around like Bojangles while Jew kids were burned alive in concentration camp ovens. The so-called Palestinians are just Arab terrorists being used by Arabs as an excuse to conduct terror acts against Jews. Any Arab country has plenty of money to fully take care of these people, but of course they don't want to. no gnu taxes  posted on  2018-01-26   8:21:32 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply   #35. To: no gnu taxes, Pinguinite (#22) You are a card carrying Jew hater, and you have demonstrated that many times. You would have been dancing around like Bojangles while Jew kids were burned alive in concentration camp ovens. That really is pretty harsh. I've never seen him say anything like that. Tooconservative  posted on  2018-01-26   12:17:21 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply   #36. To: Tooconservative (#35) All I have ever seen him do is support every bogus grievance against the Jews, especially Israel. So I guess I don't worry about being harsh. no gnu taxes  posted on  2018-01-26   12:31:06 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply   #38. To: no gnu taxes, Tooconservative (#36) All I have ever seen him do is support every bogus grievance against the Jews, especially Israel. You know, I was at the store yesterday and when I wasn't thinking about what I needed to buy, my mind wandered to this accusation, and it occurred to me that maybe it was my speculation that the rule for inherited jewry was based on birth by a Jewish mother was because it allowed Jewish men to disregard responsibility for their extramarital activities with gentile women. Was that what set you off? Rest assured, rules, particularly religious ones, have historically been made by us guys. Women have largely had no say in them, at least prior to 50 years ago and that bias certainly rears it's head. In the case of Judaism, I fault it for advocating a racial or religious based supremecy: You know the "we're God's chosen people" line. Putin once warned us Americans about the dangers of any people considering themselves exceptional, that after Obama made the claim for us Americans. Putin was right, and the same principle applies to Jews. No people should consider themselves more privileged then the rest of the world, and it's especially dangerous when it's religiously based. In my opinion we can see that in the attitudes of many Israeli jews in regards to illegal settlements and the general treatment of not just Palestinians. (i.e God gave us this holy land so everyone here should get the hell off it or die). Essentially, the basic tenant of Judaism (and please feel free to correct me if I'm wrong) is that non-jews pretty much exist for the benefit of jews. It's actually not unlike how we as humans regard the existence of cattle, though of course not to that level. Christian zionists obviously enable this type of thinking, and of course they largely agree with it, as Judaism is without dispute the father of Christianity. But to be clear, I'm not just picking on Judaism. Islam has it's supremecy tenants also, though it's not ethnically based (perhaps one tiny consolation with that faith). Their problem is it sex-based. The whole 72 virgins bit. Women are basically chattel ... property of men, and at some point centuries ago, perhaps dating back to even Mohammed, the guys there decided that paradise must like a brothel. I suppose that was due to the limits of their imagination, or perhaps sex was the only thing that gave them any kind of respite from a life perhaps devoid of any other physical enjoyments. So with Islam, women pay the price and with Judaism, gentiles pay the price. So assuming you are not simply confusing me with someone else who actually posts Jew-hating material (which maybe you are) it could be instead that I am simply open to criticizing Judaism just like I'll criticize any other faith or idea. Perhaps you, on the other hand, consider Jews to be God's Chosen People such that saying anything about them that does not cast them in a favorable light is automatically Jew hating or anti-semitic. If that's the case, then I'll leave the labeling in your little world to you. I do have though at least one Jewish friend. I went to a bar mitzvah for his daughter many, many years ago, and I sat down for lunch with him a couple months back. He's a great guy. He loves people and he would have paid for my meal had I let him. Well he did, actually. I just insisted on paying the tip. I don't know how you are going to sort all this out in your simple black n white world, but I guess you have some homework to do now, assuming you choose to do it. Cheers.... Pinguinite  posted on  2018-01-27   21:37:35 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply   #39. To: Pinguinite (#38) (Edited) In my opinion we can see that in the attitudes of many Israeli jews in regards to illegal settlements and the general treatment of not just Palestinians. (i.e God gave us this holy land so everyone here should get the hell off it or die). Essentially, the basic tenant of Judaism (and please feel free to correct me if I'm wrong) is that non-jews pretty much exist for the benefit of jews. It's actually not unlike how we as humans regard the existence of cattle, though of course not to that level. I think you overstate or misinterpret this. Jews, coming from such an ancient culture, do naturally consider Gentiles as transient peoples, always getting conquered, adrift in history. Naturally, they will seek their own advantage. And this is a characteristic of all the Semitic peoples. Arabs are certainly that way, just not as competently as Jews have become because of their considerable education and cultural diversity. And modern Jews are simply not the Jews of yesteryear. In Israel, they still maintain a pretty consistent Jewish culture. But the larger majority of Jews scattered around the world (Europe, North and South America, etc.) no longer have that cultural solidarity. The rabbis have worried for years about the rates of intermarriage, about Jewish men marrying Gentile women (or vice versa), about all the issues involving intermarriage and children. And gay marriage has made it worse, with some wealthy Jews wanting their Jewish sons to marry their Catholic boyfriend and give them a few little adopted Chinese girls to play the role of granddaughter. This is a long and increasingly bitter debate among the various denominations and endless organizations that Jews debate these issues in. Judaism, especially in the Diaspora, just isn't nearly as Jewish as it used to be. Those old cultural norms have broken, perhaps irrevocably. And the rabbis and older generation can't get the younger generation to see it as anything important. Very upsetting to the traditionalists to consider that in 20 years, only 15%-20% of all Jews in the world will be married to a Jewish spouse. They also worry about producing enough children because they are well-below replacement rates (other than Orthodox Jews who have tons of kids). The Ashkenazim aren't exactly happy that the future of Judaism are the Orthodox Jews merely due to their prolific breeding. These are not happy topics of discussion for Jewish leaders. I'll repeat that BBC link from above. Look at what Bibi's brother-in-law is saying about the rumors that Bibi's son is dating a Norwegian Gentile. BBC: The Jewish fear of intermarriage Tooconservative  posted on  2018-01-27   22:06:29 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply   #40. To: Tooconservative (#39) I'm certainly not opposed to Jews cherishing their faith to the point of wanting to have pure Jewish marriages. My only beef is an apparent tenant of superiority that, okay, some of them have about being God's chosen. The video I posted illustrates the attitude well. Christians recognize that God loves everyone equally no matter their genes, origins or sins, but Judaism simply doesn't go along with that, at least as far as the old testament goes. Orthodox Jews would be at the forefront of this error, naturally. Moderate & peaceful Muslims have to deal with accusations about how the Koran states that unbelievers must be executed. They accept the passages as real, of course but dismiss it as being either antiquated teaching or needing to be taken in proper context of the day. So it seems both peaceful Muslims and progressive Jews have that difficulty in common. I remember Sally, AKA Goldi-lox of LP, a converted Jew, telling me on the phone once how Jews were not allowed ot charge fellow Jews interest on loans. If a white organization were to announce such a policy to fellow whites, it would certainly be a basis of serious accusation of white supremacy. But of course, you cannot accuse or ever suggest Judaism is a supremacist faith without risking being called an Jew hater or anti-semite, which, as you've seen, happened to me on this thread. Well, I guess my sin was in suggesting one Jewish tenant, however old it's origins may be, may have been formulated to excuse parental responsibility of Jewish men who have sex with gentile women. Pinguinite  posted on  2018-01-28   12:00:56 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply   #41. To: Pinguinite (#40) Christians recognize that God loves everyone equally no matter their genes, origins or sins, but Judaism simply doesn't go along with that, at least as far as the old testament goes. Deuteronomy 10:19 “Love ye therefore the stranger: for ye were strangers in the land of Egypt.” A K A Stone  posted on  2018-01-28   12:14:12 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply   #61. To: A K A Stone (#41) Deuteronomy 10:19 “Love ye therefore the stranger: for ye were strangers in the land of Egypt.” There is no shortage of OT passages that plainly describe how Israel, upon returning from Egypt, are ordered to destroy the inhabitants who were living there, apparently peacefully. In some cases, they were ordered to kill all, in other cases they were permitted to spare some, but in all cases, Israel was preferred by God over those inhabitants. I've no doubt these references come into play when consideration of illegal settlements and purging Palestinians of farms and orchards, as per the sentiment described in the video I posted. In the OT, it is supposedly God who makes these determinations of granting lands to whom, in some cases to the other tribes of the time (Moabites and Ammonites being examples, though they were conveniently marginalized as a people in the OT because they were supposedly the incestuous descendants of Lot and his 2 daughters) but usually it's written as God giving lands of native inhabitants to Israel. Obviously there was a lot of tribal warfare world over going back to the dawn of history, and even before, but it may be that Judaism is the faith that reaches back the farthest to these ancient times to glean some guidance as to how they are to think and act more so than any other major faith. And according to those texts, there is no dispute that Israel was a tribe of "God's chosen people" that had divine right to conquer & often destroy the those not of that tribe of Israel. And while Christianity recognizes a "new covenant" via Jesus that now treats all humans as equals, Judaism still has that old covenant in place, as it has not expired. Pinguinite  posted on  2018-01-30   14:26:15 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply   Replies to Comment # 61. #80. To: Pinguinite (#61) (Edited) There is no shortage of OT passages that plainly describe how Israel, upon returning from Egypt, are ordered to destroy the inhabitants who were living there, apparently peacefully. You have misunderstood the preceding scripture which explains in every case why God has ordered the destruction of inhabitants. It is crucial to read and understand right out of the gate from Genesis. Admittedly it's not all that easy to tie things together in some cases. Cherry-picking OT scripture is a major problem for those who think this technique makes the case(s) that indict both the Jews and most of all, The Almighty as bad guys, unfairly picking on non-Jews for no good reason. You're hardly alone in this regard -- even so-called "Believers" are confused in many cases. Unless as I'd suggested, OT scripture is read AND understood, and continuity maintained. If you're really curious and do truly want to understand God's reasons in the cases Jews are asked/demanded by God to eliminate others, Bible-study, willing knowledgeable mentors, or online sources would be helpful. (and btw, I still owe you a response and feedback on your own beliefs...sorry.) In all cases, Israel was preferred by God over those inhabitants. In general, Jews ARE indeed preferred or favored by The Almighty; They represent Mankind. But they are also severely disciplined or warned that they will be cursed and ARE cursed for disobedience. AND finally rewarded for perseverance. Just like the rest of Mankind. In the OT, it is supposedly God who makes these determinations of granting lands to whom, in some cases to the other tribes of the time (Moabites and Ammonites being examples, though they were conveniently marginalized as a people in the OT because they were supposedly the incestuous descendants of Lot and his 2 daughters) but usually it's written as God giving lands of native inhabitants to Israel. God's determinations and reasons for disciplining or destroying other tribes at the time aren't so simplistic or trivial. You've obviously dug in pretty deeply -- more than many Believers, but understanding the dynamics (or rather mis-understanding the dynamics is sorta like having ever number of a lock-combo right...except for a single click. One wrong miscue and the entire thing in out of line, out of context or misunderstood. Judaism is the faith that reaches back the farthest to these ancient times to glean some guidance as to how they are to think and act more so than any other major faith. And according to those texts, there is no dispute that Israel was a tribe of "God's chosen people" that had divine right to conquer & often destroy the those not of that tribe of Israel. ONLY for divine purpose and reason -- not frivolously or just for the heck of it. God also allowed the same destruction and conquest to Israel and of Jewish people, didn't He? And while Christianity recognizes a "new covenant" via Jesus that now treats all humans as equals, Judaism still has that old covenant in place, as it has not expired. It expired the day Jesus Christ proclaimed His New Covenant and Gospel. And yes, for over 2000 years Judaism has ignored their own fulfilled prophecies, awaiting a Messiah that has already arrived. Liberator  posted on  2018-01-31 12:01:57 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply   End Trace Mode for Comment # 61. Top • Page Up • Full Thread • Page Down • Bottom/Latest

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