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Title: Claim: Hawaii Charter Boat Group Witnessed Explosion In The Sky On The Morning Of False Ballistic Missile Alert
Source: SHTF Plan
URL Source: http://www.shtfplan.com/conspiracy- ... llistic-missile-alert_01212018
Published: Jan 21, 2018
Author: Lexi Morgan
Post Date: 2018-01-22 09:16:32 by Deckard
Keywords: None
Views: 3731
Comments: 37

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A man’s sister told him a group of boaters witnessed an aerial explosion offshore around 8:00 a.m. last Saturday morning

SOUTH PACIFIC (INTELLIHUB) — A man posted a video to YouTube on Sunday in which he claims his sister, who lives on Maui, heard that a group of 9 tour boat guides and about 13 tourists witnessed some type of explosion in the sky about 100 NM offshore (leeward side.)

“They said it looked like a meteor and then all of a sudden it was a big boom and it lit up the entire sky,” he explained. “It was at eight o’clock in the morning.”

“Maybe this wasn’t a drill after all,” he said. “I would think that the United States would not want to cause more panic if they did launch something at Hawaii — they would say it was a mistake.”

The man also maintains that the story was posted by a local news outlet for a short period of time before it was “pulled” altogether.

Youtuber Ashley LP chimed in:

So I live on Island and our family has a lighthouse, we all saw a bright flash that morning as well. There is much buzz about this… Thank you for actually putting what islanders are all talking about.

The video was posted one day after a false missile alert caused a panic throughout the islands.

If you have any information on this matter please email newstips@intellihub.com with the details.(1 image)

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#1. To: Deckard (#0)

A man posted a video to YouTube on Sunday in which he claims his sister, who lives on Maui, heard that a group of 9 tour boat guides and about 13 tourists witnessed some type of explosion in the sky about 100 NM offshore (leeward side.)

Oh, c'mon. My sister heard from some nameless group that blah-blah-blah-conspiracy-blah-blah.

I'd find it more believable if he claimed that a moose bit his sister than this crap.

Tooconservative  posted on  2018-01-22   11:34:45 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#2. To: Deckard (#0) (Edited)

Live, from NewYork: It's the Rocket-boy vs Donny Drumpf pissing contest.

(Not) reported by the same "news" folks who've kept certain letters from Lenin's sister out of the mind of the sheeple for nearly 100 years.

VxH  posted on  2018-01-22   11:41:01 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#3. To: Tooconservative (#1) (Edited)

My sister heard from some nameless group

Right. It's not like she had a letter, or something...

...the "news" would never keep facts from the sheeple.

VxH  posted on  2018-01-22   11:43:56 ET  (1 image) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#4. To: VxH (#3) (Edited)

This alleged explosion doesn't even rate being a low-grade conspiracy theory. Third-hand stuff. Or just made up out of thin air by a flake or his flaky sister.

Tooconservative  posted on  2018-01-22   12:19:00 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#5. To: Tooconservative (#4) (Edited)

Or just made up out of thin air.

Yeah but, OTOH - Just because Klingons have never been photographed surfing is no reason to assume they never caught any waves.

VxH  posted on  2018-01-22   12:21:47 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#6. To: VxH (#3)

I'll include a link to your screengrab article. I wasn't even aware that Lenin having some Jewish ancestry was actually in dispute.

Jersualem Post: Lenin's Jewish roots put on display in Russian museum , 5/24/11

Tooconservative  posted on  2018-01-22   12:23:14 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#7. To: Tooconservative (#6) (Edited)

I wasn't even aware that Lenin having some Jewish ancestry was actually in dispute.

Uhuh. Don't need to be Jewish to be a Bolshevik Marxist.

The Bolsheviks liked to "dispute" the cannibalism they manufactured during the Holodomor too.

HARVEST OF DESPAIR -

The Forgotten Genocide of 1933

https://www.youtube.com/watch? v=7lyKgeg6qwY&feature=youtu.be&t=40m20s

 


Not with a bang but a whimper.

VxH  posted on  2018-01-22   12:44:00 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#8. To: VxH (#7)

Gulag usa

FasT Tracking wiTches

Their ThoughT minders

inTo poliTical power

Hillary

Communism

Pc supremacysTs

JusT desserTs
boris

If you ... don't use exclamation points --- you should't be typeing ! Commas - semicolons - question marks are for girlie boys !

BorisY  posted on  2018-01-22   13:20:06 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#9. To: BorisY (#8)

Gulag usa

You got BINGO!

Collect a prize from the Molochean Jesuit cattle-herders.

VxH  posted on  2018-01-22   13:26:42 ET  (1 image) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#10. To: VxH, Deckard (#7)

It's a shame that Holodomor and the Armenian genocide (among others) are largely forgotten. 99% of all films and documentaries are about the Nazi concentration camps. But history has a lot of other massacres to recall.

America has a sick fascination with Nazi stuff. They like to virtue-signal over it but it grabs 'em in a visceral way. Americans just love to hate Nazis. It's a great way to celebrate the Two Minutes Hate.

Tooconservative  posted on  2018-01-22   14:00:05 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#11. To: Tooconservative (#10) (Edited)

>> Americans just love to hate Nazis.
>>It's a great way to celebrate the Two Minutes Hate.

It's a great way of distracting folks from the historical context that the atrocity of the "holocaust" existed in.

Here is our progressive, "spiritual", tolerant, inclusive, opinion

- now you shut up and agree to disagree...

you nazis!

[IDIOTS REACT TO MAN WITH SIGN]

https://www.youtube.com/watch? v=NL0tRHvBlQQ

 

The thing about Bolshevism is - it's not about tribal taxonomy, but about organized criminal subversive attitude.

Like Italians and the Mafia., or Mexicans and La Raza, or the Irish and the IRA, or Russians and the Orprichni KGB, or Korah and the Pharaoh's Levite Genes.

 

[The Architects of Western Decline: A Study on the Frankfurt School and Cultural Marxism]

https ://www.youtube.com/watch? v=1wBcDuP9xbI&t=1085s

 

 

VxH  posted on  2018-01-22   14:44:42 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#12. To: Tooconservative (#10)

It's a shame that Holodomor and the Armenian genocide (among others) are largely forgotten


It's a shame most people have been kept unaware that the Bolsheviks were exporting Ukrainian grain in exchange for Western (GERMAN) Military Industrial technology used to "protect socialism":

Johann von Herwarth:  


The government of Weimar, the democratic government, was well aware of what was going on in the Soviet Union. But the attitude of the government was, I would say, you could call it passive, and with the younger one of the Embassy we always were of the opinion then at that period that we ought not to have any commercial relations with the criminal government which allowed hundreds of thousands and even millions of people to starve. The government said we had already great unemployment in Germany, and if we stopped delivering manufactured goods to the Soviet Union, you would increase unemployment in Germany. That was the situation. 

http://www.ucrdc.org/Film- Harvest_of_Despair_annotated.html

Oops?  Or just bidness as usual.

VxH  posted on  2018-01-22   15:06:58 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#13. To: Deckard (#0)

aliens

paraclete  posted on  2018-01-22   20:03:31 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#14. To: Tooconservative (#4)

This alleged explosion doesn't even rate being a low-grade conspiracy theory. Third-hand stuff. Or just made up out of thin air by a flake or his flaky sister.

Haaaaaaa.... Paultard kooks never waste a good opportunity to fear monger the sheeple. lol

I'm the infidel... Allah warned you about. كافر المسلح

GrandIsland  posted on  2018-01-22   20:16:19 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#15. To: GrandIsland, AllTard, Navy officials confirm, RIM-PAC, VxH, Deckard, BorisY, Team Coverup (#14) (Edited)

A Mysterious Explosion Off Leeward Oahu's Coast

(KHNL) - A scary Sunday for some residents in Leeward Oahu as they witness a mysterious explosion at sea.

Fire and Coast Guard crews search by land, air and sea, trying to figure out what it was.

"Something splash with black smoke," said Jeff Lono, witness.

"It was a really, really tall splash," said another witness.

People who saw the event describe it as a blast about a couple miles away from Ewa Beach.

"I had no idea. I thought we were getting attacked at first," said Josh Shin, witness.

After combing the area for 90 minutes, rescue crews called off the search.

"We didn't find any evidence of a crash of any kind or other activity that would've indicated an an emergency," said Capt. Terry Seelig with the Honolulu Fire Dept.

But numerous witnesses describe the same scene. Lono even used his binoculars to get a closer look.

"Just a couple of military boats out there," said Lono.

"I was thinking the Navy was out there doing something," said another witness.

They're right. Navy officials confirm the loud explosion was part of RIM-PAC, which continues this week. Officials say the area off Iriquois Point is designated for military training. They also say they obtained the proper permits and notified nearby vessels.

RIM-PAC continues until July 28. The Navy has not said whether more tests will be conducted in that area.

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Hondo68  posted on  2018-01-22   20:56:29 ET  (2 images) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#16. To: hondo68 (#15)

So the federal government created this ruckus. Good research, hondo ..... that is what makes you a GREAT contributor to LF.

buckeroo  posted on  2018-01-22   21:17:12 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#17. To: buckeroo (#16)

So the federal government created this ruckus.

I bet if Hondope told you that his vagina was perty, you'd probably believe that too. Lay off the 3rd world skunk weed.

I'm the infidel... Allah warned you about. كافر المسلح

GrandIsland  posted on  2018-01-22   21:37:43 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#18. To: GrandIsland, hondo68 (#17)

GI - hondo does not use vulgarity. Take a hint from hondo about how the channel should show dignity and respect.

buckeroo  posted on  2018-01-22   21:50:49 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#19. To: buckeroo (#18)

Are you trying to silence speech that you don't agree with or like? You hypocritical Nazi stool pusher.

I'm the infidel... Allah warned you about. كافر المسلح

GrandIsland  posted on  2018-01-22   22:04:13 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#20. To: buckeroo, NY craphole police (#18)

the channel should show dignity and respect.

GI is an officer from craphole NY, that's all they know.

DACA Shithole Dreamers - Make America Great Again?

Hondo68  posted on  2018-01-22   22:07:00 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#21. To: GrandIsland (#19)

Are you trying to silence speech that you don't agree with or like? You hypocritical Nazi stool pusher.

Well, when I am attempting to ... ahem ... take a dump down the toilet, I am pushing you out.

buckeroo  posted on  2018-01-22   22:26:48 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#22. To: Tooconservative (#1) (Edited)

I'd find it more believable if he claimed that a moose bit his sister than this crap.

Was she karving her initials on the side of the moose using an intergalactic toothbrush given to her by her Oslo dentist named Sven?

Vicomte13  posted on  2018-01-22   22:48:10 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#23. To: hondo68 (#20)

GI is an officer from craphole NY,

RETIRED officer from shithole NY. Home of millions of shitholeians and libtards.

Get your story straight, if you're gonna tell it... turd burper.

I'm the infidel... Allah warned you about. كافر المسلح

GrandIsland  posted on  2018-01-22   23:29:10 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#24. To: hondo68, buckeroo (#15)

(KHNL) - A scary Sunday for some residents in Leeward Oahu as they witness a mysterious explosion at sea.

Not the same incident as the article.

A man’s sister told him a group of boaters witnessed an aerial explosion offshore around 8:00 a.m. last Saturday morning

SOUTH PACIFIC (INTELLIHUB) — A man posted a video to YouTube on Sunday in which he claims his sister, who lives on Maui, heard that a group of 9 tour boat guides and about 13 tourists witnessed some type of explosion in the sky about 100 NM offshore (leeward side.)

Tooconservative  posted on  2018-01-23   2:24:52 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#25. To: Tooconservative, buckeroo, BorisY (#24) (Edited)

the loud explosion was part of RIM-PAC, which continues this week. Officials say the area off Iriquois Point is designated for military training. They also say they obtained the proper permits and notified nearby vessels.

RIM-PAC continues until July 28.

It isn't a one day operation. I realize that the "false alarm" false flag op was Saturday, and this was Sunday.

Typical .gov screw up on the second Kim Jong Un attack that didn't hit the beach or whatever it was supposed to do to stampede the sheeple into begging their federal saviors to do SOMETHING. At least cancel the Olympics so Rocket Man doesn't "win" the PR war.

Need polling data on unfavorable ratings for Trump vs Rocket Man. There's probably some top secret agency that does that. Now that the gov shutdown tradegy is over they can resume interrogating the local Hawaiians, like Boris.

What did Boris see, and when did he see it? Was it Saturday, or Sunday?

DACA Shithole Dreamers - Make America Great Again?

Hondo68  posted on  2018-01-23   3:04:01 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#26. To: hondo68 (#15) (Edited)

Just a coinkidink.

The Marx-O-Matic Military Industrial Complex would NEVER poke a stick into the antpile just to see how it swarms.

www.google.com/search?q=marcuse+mk+ultra

VxH  posted on  2018-01-23   3:52:07 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#27. To: hondo68, VxH (#25)

It isn't a one day operation. I realize that the "false alarm" false flag op was Saturday, and this was Sunday.

Maybe the CIA cooked up these false reports themselves to cover their other sinister operations. Or to discredit anyone who might report something unusual.

Plots within plots.

If you're going for full-crazy conspiracy, don't be lazy about it.

Tooconservative  posted on  2018-01-23   7:46:14 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#28. To: hondo68, buckeroo (#20)

the channel should show dignity and respect.

GI is an officer from craphole NY, that's all they know.

He's a H.S. dropout who barely got a GED - what other options did he have other than being a cop?

“Truth is treason in the empire of lies.” - Ron Paul

Those who most loudly denounce Fake News are typically those most aggressively disseminating it.

Deckard  posted on  2018-01-23   8:47:18 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#29. To: buckeroo, GrandIsland (#21)

Well, when I am attempting to ... ahem ... take a dump down the toilet, I am pushing you out.

So...you admit that you're having anal fantasies about GrandIsland?

Tooconservative  posted on  2018-01-23   9:16:58 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#30. To: Deckard (#28)

He's a H.S. dropout who barely got a GED - what other options did he have other than being a cop?

Do you know that or are you ahem lying?

A K A Stone  posted on  2018-01-23   9:25:09 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#31. To: A K A Stone (#30)

He's a H.S. dropout who barely got a GED - what other options did he have other than being a cop?

Do you know that

Pretty obvious from his posts.

“Truth is treason in the empire of lies.” - Ron Paul

Those who most loudly denounce Fake News are typically those most aggressively disseminating it.

Deckard  posted on  2018-01-23   9:28:29 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#32. To: Deckard, GrandIsland (#31)

Pretty obvious from his posts.

Nothing in GI's posts indicates he has skills below that of a high-school dropout.

He seems as capable in language skills as you, for instance.

At a minimum, his general language skills indicate at least a two-year degree. A four-year criminology degree isn't out of the question.

Tooconservative  posted on  2018-01-23   9:53:50 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#33. To: Tooconservative (#32) (Edited)

I'm a high school graduate with some college... no college degree.

I'm not the highest IQ on the forum... and my worst subjects were English and Math. I do however have a basic understanding of our language to be able to write officer reports, file accusatory instruments with the court... and post here. IMHO, my best attribute is common sense. I look at shit logically... without emotion.

You are correct, I'm a class or two from a 2 year college degree in criminal justice

I'm the infidel... Allah warned you about. كافر المسلح

GrandIsland  posted on  2018-01-23   18:22:02 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#34. To: GrandIsland (#33)

Seems adequate.

Composing elegant prose is hardly the primary criteria by which we should select police recruits. If they can write an accurate police report, that's good enough. So many other qualities are much more important attributes of an effective peace officer.

As with soldiers, the most important bits can't be taught in a classroom. And some people, due to personality and outlook, can never be made into good police. It's not in their nature.

Tooconservative  posted on  2018-01-23   19:02:26 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#35. To: VxH (#3)

A Jewish Great-Grandfather The background is this. The declassification of documents since the collapse of the Soviet Communist tyranny in 1991 has brought irrefutable proof that Lenin’s maternal great-grandfather was a shtetl Jew named Moshko Blank. Whether or not Lenin himself was aware of this piece of information is uncertain, but by the time of his death in 1924 his sister had possession of the facts—and, by order of the Central Committee of the Communist party, was forced to keep them secret. The order held firm until the dissolution of the Soviet Union in the early 1990’s.

How is a historian to approach this subject? For Petrovsky-Shtern, it is not simply a matter of exposing the truth, which others have already done. In writing his book, he was keenly aware of the way that, in today’s Russia, Jews continue to be blamed: by some, for Communism and its depredations by virtue of the fact that a number of prominent Bolsheviks were of Jewish origin; by others, for Communism’s collapse. He is especially worried about the former threat—i.e., the manipulation of truth by today’s anti-liberal nationalists bent on overestimating the Jewish role in the evils of Communism. In this book, he tries to set the record straight by proving that, in the key case of Lenin, there was nothing Jewish about the man.

One of his tools is genealogy. First of all, Moshko, the great-grandfather in question, converted to Russian Orthodoxy in 1844. He had already seen to the conversion of his sons a quarter-century earlier. Next, Moshko’s baptized son Alexander—i.e., Lenin’s grandfather—married a Christian woman of German descent. Finally, Maria, the daughter of this pair, who was clearly not a Jew by any reckoning, married the Russian Orthodox Ilya Ulianov. Thus, by the time we reach their son Vladimir Ilyich, we are four generations away from the original Jewish ancestor—himself, as we have seen, a convert to Christianity.

An Internationalist As for Vladimir Ilyich, he became a thoroughgoing internationalist, treating ethnic affiliations of all kinds as strictly temporary evils. Nor is anything to be made of his friendship and collaboration with Jews; behind all of Lenin’s alliances, as Petrovsky-Shtern documents, there lay only pragmatic calculation and ideology. “Once you join the Bolsheviks,” he writes, “you think class, not ethnicity. Moreover, when you join the RSDRP [Lenin’s party], you obliterate your ethnicity and become a class.” Genealogy by itself is frivolous that does not recognize the force of human decisions that determine historical fate.

But the duty of the historian does not stop there. As Petrovsky-Shtern’s title suggests, the question of Lenin’s Jewishness was intimately bound up, in the minds of Soviet rulers, with the “Jewish question” itself. The ranks of those rulers included ethnic Jews at the highest levels of the Communist party. Why did they insist on obscuring Lenin’s origins? Petrovsky-Shtern thinks it was because the party needed the image of a “pure” Russian founder. Indeed, the Russification of Lenin, the consummate internationalist, was part of a paradoxical process to de-internationalize Communism, and to refashion it as an ideology coterminous with Russian nationalism.

Curiously, Petrovsky-Shtern observes, those Communist ideologues of old have their counterpart in today’s Russian xenophobes, who cite the fact of a “Jewish” Lenin as further evidence for their thesis that Communism was an aberration in Russian history, a subversive and wholly alien implant with no roots in the pre-Communist Russian past. Thus does one deliberate distortion of historical reality beget its mirror image.

This study’s insistence on clear distinctions between historical truth and lies is most welcome, and makes a refreshing contrast with much Western scholarship that, in this area as in others, shows a greater interest in blurring boundaries than in achieving clarity. Yet, in striving to avoid ambiguity, Petrovsky-Shtern also inadvertently opens the very door he has tried to close. He has done so by making not Lenin but Moshko Blank into the most fully realized character in his book.

Moshko and His Neighbors And what a character he was. Confined to Jewish small-town life, Moshko took out his resentments on his Jewish neighbors, who fought back by denouncing him to the Gentile authorities. In an intensifying spiral of recrimination, not only did Moshko denounce them in turn but, the records reveal, he became an informer against Judaism itself. We see him urging the Tsar to “reform” Russia’s Jews by fiat, and proposing measures for forcibly restricting the practice of the Jewish religion and moving the Jews toward Christianity.

This introduction to Moshko almost compels us, in short, to associate his behavior with the brutal, nation-wide suppressions that were among the landmark “achievements” of his great-grandson’s career. How, we can’t help wondering, might certain aspects of family history, among them the very denial of one’s identity and one’s God, have contributed to the violent, conspiratorial power-hunger and paranoia of one’s descendants?

To Petrovsky-Shtern, such speculation is illegitimate, an abrogation of the commitment to precision that is the hallmark of the historian’s discipline. In his way of thinking, Jewish converts, whether to Christianity or Communism, are no longer Jews, period, and they should be neither claimed nor charged as such. Yet even if one grants this in principle, there may still be much to learn from the often influential participation of former or ex-Jews in the development of modern anti- liberal movements. Instead of dwelling on the question of Jews and Communism, as many a scholar has done, might historians not do better to focus their attention on renegade Jews and Communism? There, as the Yiddish expression has it, may be where the dog lies buried.

Reprinted with permission from Jewish Ideas Daily https://www.myjewishlearning.com/article/was-lenin-jewish/

A K A Stone  posted on  2018-01-23   19:14:30 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#36. To: A K A Stone (#35) (Edited)

A Jewish Great-Grandfather The background is this

I's an error to assume Bolshevism is all about Tribal taxonomy. It's about attitude - Organized Criminal Attitude.

Don't need to be a tribe member to be a Bolshevik any more than an individual has to be Italian to be part of the Mafia.

None-the-less evidently the association was strong enough to warrant Stalin's alleged demand to keep it a secret.

Also, it seems reasonable to consider Solzhenitsyn's qualified perspective on the issue.

www.google.com/search?q=solzhenitsyn+holodomor

VxH  posted on  2018-01-23   19:31:42 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#37. To: A K A Stone (#35) (Edited)

en.wikipedia.or g/wiki/Frankfurt_School#Theorists

What do they have in common - Other than being Marxist subverters of Western culture?

VxH  posted on  2018-01-24   8:58:02 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


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