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Bang / Guns Title: 48 Hourss,Waco Did anyone else watch this the other night? I had recorded it,and just watched it today,and I am seriously steamed. Long story short,the whole thing came about because a UPS driver decided "something was wrong because what religion NEEDS ALL THOSE GUNS?" (emphasis mine)? It seems obvious he didn't know they had a FFL and were selling guns and demilled "grenade" joke gifts,or if he did know he didn't care. He obviously lied and opened up one package to discover it was full of "grenades" "When I pulled it from the top shelf 5 or 6 grenades rolled out of it." Ask ANYBODY that has ever handled a case of grenades if ANYBODY ever puts them on a top shelf anywhere for proof of this. The TRUTH is they were demilled grenades without the blasting cap or striker that they were mounting on plaques with the wording like "complaint center,pull a pin and wait." ANYBODY can buy,own,or sell them,and not even have to have a FFL because they are NO LONGER CONSIDERED TO BE WEAPONS. Anyhow,this moral goober took it upon himself to notify the Clinton Administration AFT and report the Branch Dividians for "having live grenades and machine guns!".After going home and talking it over with his wife,of course. She was on tv too,and she too was outraged over "a religious cult having weapons". Which led to Janet Reno sending in the Storm Troopers,which eventually led to them burning the church buildings down when they ran into it repeatedly with armored vehicles to knock holes in it. Which is what caused it all to burn down since the Feebs had already cut off all electricity to their buildings,and they were using kerosene lanterns for light. Of course the head hack says he's not responsible for fires that killed all those children because "the people inside set the fires." Un,huh. People decide to set themselves and their children of fire all the time,and it's just a coincidence the joint was being rocked by armored vehicles,huh? At the end they showed a few blurbs about "there is no evidence the Branch Davidians set themselves on fire",but no mention of who else might be responsible for the fire". There was also no mention of the Janet Reno/Clinton history of pushing for gun confiscations or things like their actions against Randy Weaver. Questions like"Why didn't they just arrest Koresh when he went to town on Wednesday to get a haircut?" Or why didn't they just have the local sheriff,who had NO trouble with them,knock on the door and ask to see their weapons records ?" Nope,they went straight to the cattle trucks and the armed assault with machine guns and body armor by BATF agents. They DID mention Weaver was shot twice while standing at the door talking to the BATF before they started jumping out of the cattle cars and shooting at the building windows with automatic weapons,but that was just in passing in another segment. One thing is abundantly clear,though. That UPS driver and the head BATF punk are the two people primarily responsible for the deaths of all those children. Without the USP driver opening packages and then telling ignorant lies to a federal agency that desperately needed to hear them,and then the political hack planning the surprise armed assault while the door was open and Weaver was talking with the door knockers,none of that would have happened. Poster Comment: Let's not forget the rabidly anti-gun administration in power at that time,and their push to get all gun owners classified as "Dangerous kooks" in the eyes of the public. People in high positions in government SHOULD have gone to federal prisons or have been executed over what happened at Waco.Subscribe to *Bill of Rights-Constitution* Post Comment Private Reply Ignore Thread Top • Page Up • Full Thread • Page Down • Bottom/Latest Begin Trace Mode for Comment # 15. #8. To: sneakypete, Stoner, Liberator, Tooconservative, Fred Mertz, buckeroo, rlk (#0) (Edited) Of course the head hack says he's not responsible for fires that killed all those children because "the people inside set the fires." Un,huh. People decide to set themselves and their children of fire all the time,and it's just a coincidence the joint was being rocked by armored vehicles,huh? That's interesting since ABC is also running a propaganda series about Waco. I wonder why all of a sudden both Mockingbird networks decided to revisit the massacre, unless it's to brainwash a new generation and put a pro-gooberment spin on the event. I'm sure that show will cast blame on the Davidians as well without naming the actual murderers.
#12. To: Deckard (#8) I'm sure that show will blame the Davidians for their own deaths as well. Well, let's be honest. They had 51 days to exit a building it took 120 seconds to walk through from front to back.
#13. To: GrandIsland (#12) (Edited) Well, let's be honest. They had 51 days to exit a building it took 120 seconds to walk through from front to back. Walk out to face a bunch of hostile lunatics carrying guns? If people aren't a theat to anybody, leave them alone. The government assholes came ready and eager to make war, and that's what they made.
#15. To: rlk (#13) (Edited) Walk out to face a bunch of hostile lunatics carrying guns? Not only carrying guns,but actually shooting them as they exited the cattle trucks. Granted,I have no doubt the very first shot was an accidental discharge by some clerk unused to carrying weapons,and scared shitless,causing the other clerks to open fire also because they thought THEY were being fired on. There has been very little mention about how the ATF really pumped what should have been a simple knock on the door and records and inventory inspection into a full-fledged combat assault for the tv cameras because there was talk in Congress about dissolving the agency and they desperatly NEEDED a major firefight against a "dangerous cult" to justify their existence. There has also been very little talk about them being so desperate they raided their offices for clerks to dress up as commandos and issued them automatic weapons and dressed them up like assault troops. IF there had been even the slightest trace of adult supervision,none of the clerks would have even been issued ammo for a simple "knock and inspect records and inventory" visit. The fact that they WERE,and that the were allowed to chamber rounds proves to me that the INTENTION by the ATF leadership was to start a gunfight resulting in causalities before they even loaded the cattle trucks. If was a foregone conclusion by the ATF that they were going to assault and get into a gun fight when they got there because they NEEDED to get into a gunfight with "domestic terrorists" to justify their continued existence. SOB's in charge should have all been hanged. And there can be NO doubt it was one of those clerks operating WAAAY out of his or her area of expertise that fired the first shot accidentally that led to Koresh being shot twice while standing in his doorway unarmed talking with the door knockers. Which in turn directly led to the deaths of all those innocent people because there is no way in HELL the ATF is EVER going to admit that THEY screwed up.
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