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Title: The States' Unfunded Pension Nightmares
Source: Investor's Business Daily
URL Source: https://www.investors.com/politics/ ... s-unfunded-pension-nightmares/
Published: Dec 26, 2017
Author: staff
Post Date: 2017-12-30 10:56:24 by Tooconservative
Keywords: None
Views: 960
Comments: 7

Pensions: The stock market boom has helped everyone, right? Nope. States' pension funds have nearly $4 trillion of stock investments, but somehow haven't benefited from soaring stock prices.

A new report by the American Legislative Exchange Council (ALEC) shows why this is true. It notes that the unfunded liabilities of state and local pension plans jumped $433 billion in the last year to more than $6 trillion. Let that number sink in for a moment: It's one-third the size of the U.S. economy, equal to "a whopping $18,676 for every man, woman, and child, or nearly $50,000 for every household in America," as The Daily Signal notes.

It's a massive amount of money, in short. All because state officials and politicians never had the gumption to tell public-employee unions "no" when they asked for even more. So their gilded pension plans will soon start bankrupting states, such as Illinois and Connecticut, which now can't pay their pensions.

Politicians for years made backroom deals that taxpayers weren't privy to, giving away the store to buy labor peace and to keep their own political careers going. Taxpayers were on the hook, but never had a place at the bargaining table.

The ALEC numbers show that only 33.7% of what the states, cities and counties own to current and future pensioners is funded. That is, for every $3 they owe, they only have $1. There's a name for that: insolvency.

How can this be? Public pension managers, always under intense political pressure, routinely overestimate their returns on their investments, while underestimating the spending. The result: A massive unfunded liability.

It's true, some states are better than others. The five best states — Tennessee, Indiana, Nebraska, Wisconsin and North Carolina — all owe "just" $7,601 to $10,944 per state citizen. The worst are New Mexico, Illinois, Ohio, Connecticut and Alaska, which owe from $28,119 per citizen to $45,689 per citizen.

But even calling some "better" and others "worse" misleads, since they're all at risk of bankruptcy.

Taxpayers around the nation will soon start to get nasty surprises as their politicians inform them that they owe this money, and by law can't avoid paying it. They'll be hit by major tax increases to pay for retired bureaucrats.

States have gone down this path to fiscal ruin based on the idea that, if things get bad enough, Washington, D.C., will bail them out. That would be a huge mistake, because it would only invite more of the same irresponsible behavior.

But they need to remember: Washington has its own fiscal nightmare, called entitlements. Social Security and Medicare are currently underfunded by an estimated $57 trillion.

Already, the Daily Signal notes, there's a movement in Congress, spearheaded by Rep. Brian Babin, R-Texas, to prohibit the federal government from bailing out the states. It's tough love, but it's the only real way to get the states to behave responsibly.


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IBD has sounded the warning on these unfunded pensions for years.

Don't Bail Out Failing States Like Illinois 

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#1. To: Tooconservative (#0)

For starters, states need to switch to 401k's. Private companies made the change. Government can do the same.

misterwhite  posted on  2017-12-30   11:31:01 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#2. To: misterwhite (#1)

For starters, states need to switch to 401k's. Private companies made the change. Government can do the same.

Sure they can. Until someone figures out that it means cutting a local job or someone's pay or retirement package. Then all hell breaks loose.

I've seen it happen in person. A friend was elected as state auditor and gave a lecture on the financial outlook and taxpayer liability for the state's pension system over a 20-30 year time frame. The entire audience was composed of state workers.

Let's just say that that was not a friendly audience.     : )

Yet that state auditor is owed something of a debt by her state because her much-scorned efforts resulted in her state being one of these top five states with the least amount of unfunded pension obligations.

It is rare to find a public servant who is genuinely concerned to keep the state solvent long after their own political career is over.

Tooconservative  posted on  2017-12-30   11:39:05 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#3. To: Tooconservative (#2)

I live in Illinois -- the "Flee Me" state. If the taxpayers are truly on the hook for these state pensions, we are screwed. There is no way we can afford additional tax increases.

The current Republican Governor tried to stop the bleeding, but eventually admitted he "wasn't in charge*" -- Chicago politicians run the state.

*http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/politics/ct-met-bruce- rauner-madigan-not-in-charge-20171204-story.html

misterwhite  posted on  2017-12-30   12:03:48 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#4. To: misterwhite (#1) (Edited)

For starters

For starters, states need to stop stealing from pension funds that are generated by pension employee payroll contributions. If you research, you will find that the states that allowed pension fund THEFT to balance SNOWFLAKE budgets, are the ones in the red. Like KOOKIFONIA, ILLINOIS and even PENNSYLVANIA... just to name a few.

Pension funds continually contributed to and invested property will always support 100% of the retirees payout.

I'm the infidel... Allah warned you about. كافر المسلح

GrandIsland  posted on  2017-12-30   12:04:47 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#5. To: GrandIsland (#4)

For starters, states need to stop stealing from pension funds that are generated by pension employee payroll contributions.

Technically, they're not stealing -- they're borrowing. The state's pension fund consists of IOUs, no different than our federal Social Security funds.

The problem is the same -- the taxpayers are on the hook.

misterwhite  posted on  2017-12-30   12:16:03 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#6. To: misterwhite (#5)

" For starters, states need to stop stealing from pension funds that are generated by pension employee payroll contributions.

Technically, they're not stealing -- they're borrowing. The state's pension fund consists of IOUs, no different than our federal Social Security funds.

The problem is the same -- the taxpayers are on the hook. "

Call it whatever you want, the end result is the same. They should NEVER use those funds for anything other than what the original purpose was.

If they do, use asset forfeiture and take everything they have. Then hang them !!

Si vis pacem, para bellum

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Never Pick A Fight With An Old Man He Will Just Shoot You He Can't Afford To Get Hurt

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Stoner  posted on  2017-12-30   19:56:13 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#7. To: Tooconservative (#0)

Taxpayers around the nation will soon start to get nasty surprises as their politicians inform them that they owe this money, and by law can't avoid paying it. They'll be hit by major tax increases to pay for retired bureaucrats.

I don't owe parasites who could only get government jobs shit. If they can't have their pensions managed properly, tough shit - that's on them.

Hank Rearden  posted on  2017-12-31   15:55:30 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


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