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Title: Mapping the massacre
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Powerline
URL Source: http://www.powerlineblog.com/archiv ... 17/10/mapping-the-massacre.php
Published: Oct 24, 2017
Author: Scott Johnson
Post Date: 2017-10-24 11:25:53 by Tooconservative
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Views: 1686
Comments: 18
A New York Times team including Malachy Browne, Drew Jordan, Nicole Fineman and Chris Cirillo has produced a video that maps a timeline of the Las Vegas massacre: “The shots began at 10:05. Twelve bursts of gunfire later, police broke down Stephen Paddock’s door at the Mandalay Bay. Using forensic analysis, The Times mapped 30 videos that show a vivid picture of what happened that night.” The Times has posted the video here and also made the video embeddable. I have posted it below. The Times does not specifically address the controversy surrounding the alterations in the timeline regarding Jesus Campos. Rather, the video maps his activity in the corridor during the massacre. We remain far from a definitive account of the massacre. It remains a riddle wrapped inside an enigma.
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Their analysis makes sense - but that won't matter.
"The NYT is just part of the coverup" in 3...2...
#2. To: VxH (#1) (Edited)
Their analysis makes sense - but that won't matter.
Meh. It's certainly incomplete. They indicate they were counting the shots and the volleys. Why no timeline for how many shots fired in each volley and a total? Info that we still don't have.
I still think he shot at the aviation fuel tanks first but there is not mention of that.
I thought the illustration and timeline of the hallways was helpful. And we found out where Paddock put his hallway cam (supposedly). But we don't know if he was carrying a laptop from the one room to another or if he had a tablet to monitor the camera with.
This could have been done a lot better and they obviously had more info. Certainly the Times should be able to afford some A/V shooting experts. So I'd really just give it a 'C'. If even that.
Things are pretty sad if this is the best that the supposed top investigative newspaper can produce after weeks.
I was hopeful it would be better, lured in by their mention of basing it on 30 eyewitness videos.
#3. To: Tooconservative (#2)
hy no timeline for how many shots fired in each volley and a total?
The narrator gives that information.
Maybe their revenue stream is tied to folks watching the video - as opposed to being able to read (and copy/paste).
#4. To: Tooconservative (#2)
This is kinda suspicious:
https://youtu.be/nvkKJdjY3Pk?t=13s
Supposedly it's "the sound of gunfire in different videos" that "we lined up".
The top track looks the same as the bottom one - with the exception of what looks like somebody doing a half arsed attempt to make it look different with something like the photoshop smudging tool.
The timing of the peaks would line up on video recorded at two distinct sources - but I would expect the amplitude (height) of each peak to be different. There would also be different ambient noise from the crowd, traffic, whatever - recorded and observable in the graph; but we don't see it here.
Either both tracks were recorded by devices very close to each other (maybe two cameras down on the field) or this is just an example of NyT's journalistic laziness.
Observe that they didn't give specific details for which video-audio was being "lined up" in the example frame above.
Half arsed and half fast - typical example of MSM "journalism" these days.
#5. To: VxH (#3)
The narrator gives that information.
At the very end, yes. If he fired over 900 shots using spray-and-pray, hitting over 500 targets seems pretty accurate.
This investigation is so botched by LEO and FBI and the media that you can't really blame the kooks for going full CT about it.
#6. To: VxH (#4)
The top track looks the same as the bottom one - with the exception of what looks like somebody doing a half arsed attempt to make it look different with something like the photoshop smudging tool.
Mmmm...maybe.
One audio track shows a lot of background noise. So the cleaner one might be the lady taxi driver with her quiet background and clearer shots fired, the other one might be from the concert with music in the background or people screaming. I'm not saying it is but that is a possible reasonable explanation for the discrepancy that you noted.
#7. To: Tooconservative (#6) (Edited)
One audio track shows a lot of background noise.
Nope. They appear to identical tracks. The white smudges in the screenshot are actually background images from video they had the graph overlayed upon.
It's much clearer in the Nyt's original upload (vs the YouTube copy somebody made/uploaded)
https://www.nytimes.com/video/us/100000005473328/las-vegas- shooting-timeline-12-bursts.html
#8. To: Tooconservative (#5)
This investigation is so botched by LEO and FBI and the media that you can't really blame the kooks for going full CT about it.
SOMETIMES you just have to concede that such "botching" isn't by accident...
...Which leaves those who rely on logic and reason to reach only ONE conclusion.
If we extrapolate that THIS crucial investigation of an unprecedented slaughter is purposely botched, then how then can we trust all the other so-called "Official Investigations"?
#9. To: VxH (#4)
This is kinda suspicious...
The RULE in this case:
Every facet of the overall "investigation" is suspiciously suspect, sloppy, lazy, and...incurious. AS IS THE MSM REACTION.
Good Heaven -- how much more obvious can they make it that no real investigation, motives, and indictments will be forthcoming?
That there's no suspects even being floated around means it's either a Black Op and/or Antifa/Dem-aided and abetted op.
#10. To: Tooconservative (#6)
Clearer screenshots from the Nyt upload:
Those are not tracks recorded by two devices at different locations.
They're identical.
#11. To: Tooconservative (#6) (Edited)
So, once again - as in the video claiming "forensic PROOF" - they do a half arsed job by presenting the PROCESS - but not showing the detailed application of the methodology on actual audio.
OCCUM'S Razor: They're just lazy dipshytes whose half arsed "journalism" this is a typical example of.
They couldn't be bothered to take the time to do it right with REAL examples. And why should they? The sheeple will eat up whatever they toss over the fence as "news" anyhow.
/Rant off
#12. To: Liberator (#8)
SOMETIMES you just have to concede that such "botching" isn't by accident...
I have begun to consider whether and why the feds would seem to deliberately botch this investigation so badly.
At some point, you have to ask what we're getting out of the billions we spend on FBI and its crime labs if this is the result.
#13. To: VxH, Liberator (#10)
Clearer screenshots from the Nyt upload:
You're making a decent case that the NYSlimes is just another bunch of YouBoob kooks with better graphics artists. : )
#14. To: Tooconservative (#13)
It's a shame. With the resources they SHOULD have - they could've done a much better job.
Notice they repeated the "200 shots down the hallways" blurb?
Nothing in their video or any other video I can find substantiates that number. What you can see of the door doesn't substantiate "200 shots".
#15. To: VxH (#14)
Nothing in their video or any other video I can find substantiates that number. What you can see of the door doesn't substantiate "200 shots".
But we can't see the most important area of the door as it is laying on its side. Paddock wouldn't shoot the lower 2.5' of the door. It wouldn't even kill the guard if he were standing right in front of the door.
At some point, we'll see a photo of the full door.
It seems Paddock shot almost entirely through the door that is laying down with its upper-half not viewable in this picture.
#16. To: Tooconservative (#15) (Edited)
Look what those maybe dozen visible holes did. See the wood splinters on the carpet?
200 rounds of .223 or .762 would've made a big shredded hole = with associated splinters on the carpet outside. Where's the shredage?
And show me a 200 shot burst audible in any video?
Not seeing it. I think they're just repeating "200 shots".
#17. To: VxH (#16)
200 rounds of .223 or .762 would've made a big shredded hole = with associated splinters on the carpet outside. Where's the shredage?
There is some shreddage.
We don't know when this was collected, where the shreddage would have landed, etc. You can't establish facts this way IMO.
Not seeing it. I think they're just repeating "200 shots".
Well, I can't claim that this investigation is so impeccable that that might not be true.
The sheer sloppiness and neglect of this case is quite shocking really. Stunning that the FBI has let us down so badly and so visibly. So many things they could detail and apply their lab expertise to and so little to show for any of it.
#18. To: Tooconservative (#17) (Edited)
Stunning that the FBI has let us down so badly and so visibly.
Yeah. With nobody to prosecute/investigate - we'll get the facts right after they give us a final report on the Mortgage Fraud bidness...
https://archives.fbi.gov/archives/news/stories/2008/january/fin_fradu 013108
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