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Watching The Cops Title: Utah police officer who handcuffed nurse is fired, supervising officer is demoted Attorney Greg Skordas has said Payne served the department well for nearly three decades and questioned whether his behavior warranted termination. He couldn’t immediately be reached for comment Tuesday. Payne’s supervisor, Lt. James Tracy, was also demoted to officer. His lawyer, Ed Brass, couldn’t immediately be reached for comment… “Your lack of judgment and leadership in this matter is unacceptable, and as a result, I no longer believe that you can retain a leadership position in the department,” Brown said. I wrote about this story at the beginning of September and called it a “pretty clear abuse of authority.” It was immediately clear that Det. Payne had no legal justification for dragging Wubbels out of the hospital and handcuffing her. She had clearly explained the hospital policy after talking to a hospital attorney by phone and the person whose blood police wanted to test was unconscious and unable to consent. When supervisor Lt. Tracy showed up moments later, he defended Det. Payne and condescendingly claimed the problem was that Wubbels didn’t know the law. “If we’re doing wrong, there are civil remedies,” Tracy said. But the findings of two separate investigations concluded that Payne and Tracy were in the wrong, each of them violating department policy in five separate ways. As Ed noted, the Mayor of Salt Lake City claimed this would have been the result whether or not Wubbels’ attorney had released the body cam video of her arrest. I don’t buy that at all. Frankly, without the video I believe Payne and Tracy would have escaped any serious consequences and maybe even have lied about what happened. This incident is a good example of why all police officers should have body cameras. It protects them and it protects people from them when they abuse their authority. Post Comment Private Reply Ignore Thread Top • Page Up • Full Thread • Page Down • Bottom/Latest Begin Trace Mode for Comment # 39. #12. To: Tooconservative (#0) (Edited) "... each of them violating department policy in five separate ways." Five? Must be bad. Let me guess. He wasn't authorized to draw blood? He broke the law? He was out of his jurisdiction? He had no legal grounds to be in the hospital? He refused to honor hospital policy? He violated the agreement between the department and the hospital? Naaah. "The Salt Lake Tribune through a public records request, found both officers violated five policies: conduct unbecoming of an officer; courtesy in public contacts; a policy that states misdemeanor citations should be used instead of arrest ”whenever possible”; violation of the department’s law enforcement code of ethics; and a city-mandated standards of conduct policy." Bottom line? Under public pressure, he was thrown under the bus and fired for being rude -- after 30 years of service. That's it boys and girls. Nothing beyond that. They're doing him a favor. Who would want to work for a department like that?
#13. To: misterwhite (#12) They're doing him a favor. Who would want to work for a department like that? I doubt that he thinks they were "doing him a favor". LOL
#14. To: Tooconservative (#13) I doubt that he thinks they were "doing him a favor". LOL Never been fired from a job where you look back years later and conclude it was actually a good thing? He will. Dumb-ass, chickenshit department which has to invent a bunch of Mickey-Mouse "charges" against a 30-year veteran police officer with a clean record just to satisfy a group of whiny, territorial pussies who make up their own rules. He was fired for NONE of your speculative reasons. No laws were violated. Oh, had it been that easy and clear cut. But it wasn't. They really had to dig deep to find something.
#32. To: misterwhite (#14) Quit whining pussy Boy. If you don't like what the department did. Change it. You make so many excuses for corruption.
#33. To: A K A Stone (#32) After 30 years of dedicated service, he was fired for being rude. And you think that's fair. That's speaks more to your sense of convoluted justice than his. You should be ashamed.
#34. To: misterwhite (#33) After 30 years of dedicated service, he was fired for being rude. Yeah, that's why he was fired .*SMH* I wonder how many times he pulled this shit in those 30 years of "dedicated" service and no one stood up to him. Do you realize you're the only one on the interwebs defending this prick and it has been pointed out numerous times just how wrong you are but you just can't let go of that fetish you have for anyone in authority. Cops are gods to paulsen. Even the crimanal and corrupt.
#35. To: Deckard (#34) (Edited) Do you realize you're the only one on the interwebs defending this prick and it has been pointed out numerous times just how wrong you are Nope. I was 100% right on everything. Was he charged with violating any local, state or federal laws, as some said? Was he charged with violating the patient's constitutional rights, as many said? Was he charged with operating outside of his jurisdiction, as at least one poster speculated? Was he charged with false arrest? Was he charged with assault and battery? Was he charged with violating departmental policy as it relates to blood draws? No. No. No. No. No. And no. All these were claimed by you and others. On and on you spewed your venom and outrage at what you claimed he did. But YOU were wrong. Two investigative agencies looked into this and concluded that his only "crime" was being rude. "Courtesy in public contacts"? Give me a break.
#36. To: misterwhite (#35) I was 100% right on everything. You're 100% delusional is what you are.
#37. To: Deckard (#36) You're 100% delusional is what you are. Fuck you, you condescending prick. You tell me one thing, just one, that you claimed about his behavior that was true. You can't. You lied, you speculated, you made things up -- all to fit your never-ending narrative that all cops are bad. And you continue your slander by asking, "how many times he pulled this shit in those 30 years of "dedicated" service". With ZERO evidence. You are a piece of shit.
#38. To: misterwhite (#37) "how many times he pulled this shit in those 30 years of "dedicated" service". I'd estimate at least a few times.
#39. To: Deckard (#38) I'd estimate at least a few times. Based on what evidence? Just pure speculation? Gossip? Rumor? Innuendo? You're smearing a man's reputation based on that shit? You're a disgusting human being. I'll ask again, tell me what scurrilous claim you made about this cop that was true. Just one.
Replies to Comment # 39. #40. To: misterwhite (#39) (Edited) You're smearing a man's reputation based on that shit? What reputation? The guy is an arrogant, sadistic POS who thinks he can get away with anything. I'd be surprised if this was the only time he was involved in something like this. Well, what do you know: About four years ago, Payne received a written reprimand for allegedly sexually harassing another department employee “over an extended period of time,” internal police records state. And in 1995, Payne was found to have violated multiple department policies related to a vehicle pursuit that involved the Utah Highway Patrol. He was suspended 80 hours without pay. I'd guess he probably has some domestic violence tendencies as well.
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