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Title: LVMPD audio: ‘There are at least two shooters with fully-automatic weapons’
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URL Source: https://www.intellihub.com/lvmpd-au ... -with-fully-automatic-weapons/
Published: Oct 4, 2017
Author: Shepard Ambellas
Post Date: 2017-10-06 13:48:39 by Deckard
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Comments: 115
Leaked LVMPD audio reveals how the mainstream media is hiding crucial details about last Sunday’s shooting at the Route 91 music festival in Las Vegas
(INTELLIHUB) — Las Vegas Metropolitan Police Department audio captured during last Sunday’s active shooting at Mandalay Bay resort and casino reveals how officers confirmed that there were at least two shooters firing down onto the crowd of concertgoers attending the Route 91 music festival.
After a series of fully-automatic gunfire popped off and people started getting struck by flying rounds a team of law enforcement officers and another ‘element’ stormed the 32nd floor of the Mandalay Bay it was feared that there was an additional shooter on the 29th floor.
“We have a four-man team up here and we have another element moving to us. We will need the 29th floor,” one officer said. “It sounds like it’s confirmed, there are at least two shooters with fully-automatic weapons.”
Additionally, the audio recordings also reveal that a black Chevy dually pickup truck fled the parking lot during all of the commotions and that an older white male who was wearing fatigues and carrying a black bag was spotted retreating into a white RV by the Tropicana and the Motel 6. Pedestrians said that the man came from the area of the shooting.
Pedestrians said that the man came from the area of the shooting and a team eventually converged on the white RV.
At one point, a police car was commandeered by an unknown suspect while the two elements on the 32nd floor were cleared for 335 Zebra’s approach to the northernmost room.
“This is 335 Zebra. I need to know if we have that floor evacuated other than our suspects. We got […] sniper going up,” a voice called out over the radio.
That’s when 720 called in an confirmed he had a 12 man element entering the east side of the Mandalay Bay.
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It’s important to note that there may be a total media blackout and that other hotels may have been targeted.
Keep in mind, the New York Times failed to report the hard details in the conglomerate piece titled “Chaos at a Concert and a Frantic Search at Mandalay Bay.”
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Do you style yourself as an expert in this field? ---- If so, I'll consider your opinion, while I await others. --- Fair enough?
Your last two posts are not an answer, so we're done. -- Feel free to babble on.
#77. To: tpaine (#76) (Edited)
Funny how you can't seem to render an opinion when actual facts are involved.
Wile E. Paine - Consteeetutional "expert" Super Genius fails again.
#78. To: VxH (#77)
Funny how you can't seem to render an opinion when actual facts are involved.
Funny how you can't seem to admit you're not an expert about the 'actual facts' (if they are facts) you've posted..
I know I'm not such an expert.
#79. To: tpaine (#78)
Don't need to be an "expert" super genius.
It's simple science and math.
#80. To: tpaine (#78)
I know I'm not such an expert.
"EDUCATE THE COMMON PEOPLE, THIS IT IS THE BUSINESS OF THE STATE TO EFFECT AND ON A GENERAL PLAN" --Thomas Jefferson
Gee, I don't get the impression Ol' Tom expected folks to sit with their head up their wherever waiting for an "expert" to explain things.
Your "conservative" milage may vary.
#81. To: VxH, tpaine, nolu chan (#75)
I see a bit of eyewitness account is coming out about the supposed suicide note. I mentioned it earlier on another thread.
CBS:
| A note found in the hotel room of the man who shot into a crowd from his perch in a Las Vegas high-rise included hand-written calculations about where he needed to aim to maximize his accuracy and kill as many people as possible. In an interview airing Sunday on "60 Minutes," three police officers who stormed Stephen Paddock's hotel room in the Mandalay Bay hotel tell correspondent Bill Whitaker new details about the deadliest mass shooting in modern American history. The officers were the first to see Paddock's body and the arsenal of weapons and ammunition he had stockpiled. Officer David Newton from the Las Vegas Police Department's K-9 unit said he noticed a note on the shooter's nightstand once officers breached the room. He said the note was located near one of the windows that Paddock had smashed with a hammer to fire onto the crowd below with high-powered semi-automatic rifles outfitted to increase their rate of fire. "I could see on it he had written the distance, the elevation he was on, the drop of what his bullet was gonna be for the crowd," Newton said. "So he had that written down and figured out so he would know where to shoot to hit his targets from there." Paddock's hotel suite was on the 32nd floor of the hotel, looking down on the crowd across the street. More than 20,000 people were attending the Route 91 Harvest Music Festival when Paddock opened fire. The crowd was approximately 400 yards away, well within range of the expensive custom-made rifles found in his suite. |
#82. To: VxH, Tooconservative (#73)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FNPrR9pP51E
Las Vegas Cover Up: Video Shows 3 Extra Missing Windows On West Side of Mandalay Bay Hotel
Qronos16
Published on Oct 8, 2017Antifa Literature Video footage of the Mandalay Bay’s exterior captured the morning after the massacre proves that three windows on the west face of the building were knocked out in addition to the two windows the media reported to be broken in the shooter’s suite and the adjacent room.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QO_wq9dv8Gc
Mandalay Bay Casino: New Images and Questions *GRAPHIC*
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#83. To: VxH (#58)
What's the difference between Reverb and Echo?
If you must know, echo is a return of the same sound after it has bounced off a distant object.
Reverb is created electronically to mimic echo, but it originates from the same speakers being used as your source.
#84. To: nolu chan (#82)
Las Vegas Cover Up: Video Shows 3 Extra Missing Windows On West Side of Mandalay Bay Hotel
That was not a good video. Do you have a better video or some live footage that shows it?
#85. To: nolu chan (#83) (Edited)
Reverb is created electronically to mimic echo,
Bzzzt.
www.physicsclassroo m.com/mmedia/waves/er.cfm
#86. To: VxH (#55)
[nc #47] It means you have a vivid imagination or a third or fourth generation tape.[Vxh #55] The principle of "generations" doesn't apply to reproduction of digital video super genius.
It does when the people creating the different versions are of unknown identity or motivation or reliability. The later generations are of unknown veracity. Copying is not 100% acurate, and compression may be used for Youtube posting.
The super genius who presents your audio analysis identifies his masterpiece as being second generation. What was on the taxi driver's phone or whatever is the first generation. Unless he made his copy directly from her, he cannot produce a second generation. Assuming the Youtube video came directly from the taxi driver's phone, it would be second generation. Unless your super genius was using the taxi driver's recording device as his source, he did not even have second generation.
Audio analysis presented at your #26:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CypkzhGr8FU
Flashes vs Sound Analysis of Cori Langdon's Mandalay Bay Taxi Video
From 0m34s to 0m46s, your super genius states,
"There is an indication of the first flash that we can see in the video. It can't be seen probably in this rendering because I am doing a second generation rendering...."
Your super genius says he did a second generation rendering, and as a result of his second generation rendition, he claims that the viewer cannot see the first flash.
As you claim generations are bullshit, please explain what your super genius is talking about.
#87. To: nolu chan (#86)
What was on the taxi driver's phone or whatever is the first generation. Unless he made his copy directly from her, he cannot produce a second generation.
Even that has compression artifacts. Recording HD video in raw uncompressed (lossless) format takes vast amounts of storage. No smartphone can do it. Nor can any handheld cameras that are affordable to consumers.
So even first-gen smartphones and consumer camcorders have some inevitable compression artifacts. And it only gets worse as you edit and recompress the video.
#88. To: VxH (#85)
[VxH #58] What's the difference between Reverb and Echo?- - - - - - - - - -
[nc #83] If you must know, echo is a return of the same sound after it has bounced off a distant object.
Reverb is created electronically to mimic echo, but it originates from the same speakers being used as your source.
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[VxH #85] Bzzzt.
www.physicsclassroo m.com/mmedia/waves/er.cfm
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Bzzzt. Your anonymous internet source with the broken link is not indicative of a super genius response, but that of a pedestrian dullard.
In addition, the term you used was specifically reverb.
I do not get word definitions from an anonymous internet source unrelated to English usage. Anonymous Youtube word usage on the internet does not change actual meaning, nor does resort to a different word. I use a top notch expert source dictionary.
You explicitly used the term Reverb. You could have looked it up in a dictionary. Or you could DJ and you would learn the difference between reverb and echo.
Bzzzt. As you want to know the difference between reverb and echo, here follows the sourced expert lesson.
Reverb. n. an effect whereby the sound produced by an amplifier or an amplified musical instrument is made to reverberate slightly. · A device for producing such an effect.Reverberate. v. [intrans.] (of a loud noise) to be repeated several times as an echo: her deep booming voice reverberated around the room. · (of a place) appear to vibrate or be disturbed because of a loud noise: the hall reverberated with gaiety and laughter. · [trans.] archaic return or reecho (a sound) ....
Archaic very old or old-fashioned. · (of a word or style in language) no longer in everyday use but sometimes used to impart old-fashioned flavor.
The New Oxford American Dictionary, Second Edition, Oxford University Press, New York, 2005.
Usage of reverberation to indicate return or echo is archaic. In currently accepted English usage, it may mean a loud noise repeated several times as an echo, her deep booming voice reverberated around the room.
#89. To: Tooconservative (#87)
So even first-gen smartphones and consumer camcorders have some inevitable compression artifacts. And it only gets worse as you edit and recompress the video.
Yes. All of that is correct.
#90. To: All (#89)
For those into the sound of varying rapid fire weapons:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8ukY_Qy4TCQ
Fact checking VEGAS
LNT
Published on Oct 3, 2017
#91. To: nolu chan, VxH (#86)
"There is an indication of the first flash that we can see in the video. It can't be seen probably in this rendering because I am doing a second generation rendering...."
His video is a screencap of him using the OpenShot video editor on a fairly modern Windows machine; this editor also runs on Linux and Macs. It takes a variety of video types as inputs (using the FFMpeg library to import them) including WebM (VP9), AVCHD (libx264), HEVC (libx265) and the usual MP3 and AAC audio types. OpenShot outputs to a variety of other formats (MPEG4, ogv, Blu-ray and DVD video, and Full HD videos).
I used DownloadHelper, a Firefox extension, to choose a version of the video to download. The choices were:
- 1280x720 - HD720 - MP4
- 480x360 - Medium - MP4
- 480x360 - Medium - WEBM
- 320x240 - Low - 3GPP
- 176x144 - Low - 3GPP
I grabbed the 720p H.264 version. Here are the video specs:
MPEG-4 (Base Media / Version 2): 17.5 MiB, 3mn 27s 1 Video stream: AVC 1 Audio stream: AAC Overall bit rate mode: Variable Overall bit rate: 707 Kbps Encoded date: UTC 2017-10-06 02:46:55 Tagged date: UTC 2017-10-06 02:46:55 gsst: 0
The video is only 513Kbps, 1280*720 (16:9), at 30.000fps, AVC (High@L3.1)(CABAC/ 1 Ref Frames). The audio is 192Kbps, 44.1KHz, 2 channels, AAC (LC).
Since it is a screengrab, we are definitely seeing a shrunk version of what the supergenius saw on his screen. I find it odd that he didn't include a finished version so people could see it at full resolution. At any rate, with a 720p 513Kbps H.264 video stream, you're lucky if you can see anything at all. That is really low quality video, especially for a night scene.
We really don't know what the original footage from the taxi driver's phone was. So necessarily, a shrunken version shown in a screencapped video of an editor and compressed heavily by YouTube is not considered first-generation material. For that, you need a lossless format which no smartphones support. So any first-gen original video is going to be 720p or 1080p h.264 video, in all likelihood. And it would have been 4Mbps - 12Mbps video, not this puny 513Kbps crapfest that we're seeing from YouBoob.
I am suspicious though. He could have just played a pixel-per-pixel original video and pointed at it with his mouse. Why the shrunken version and screencapped that way? It makes no sense if you want to accurately convey the original footage.
He might also have applied some filters to try to make those flashes more visible. We just don't know.
However it is entirely fair to discuss how this video has been recorded originally and the various stages of scaling and compression we are seeing. The use of the term first-generation or second-generation cannot be construed in the same way as we applied those terms to tape. But the cumulative effect of scaling and recompressing and screencapping cannot be denied, whatever term you choose to use to describe this degradation.
#92. To: Tooconservative (#91)
the cumulative effect of scaling and recompressing and screencapping cannot be denied, whatever term you choose to use to describe this degradation
Correct. We are definitely not seeing the result of a bit for bit copying process. We are seeing the effects of multiple lossy processing.
#93. To: nolu chan (#92)
We could also just be seeing fakes.
Using advanced video processing software, you can do a lot of fake video. Using a tool like Nuke Studio, for instance. Or Nuke Non-Commerical and then you render your edits and just screencap the full playback. My point being, you can get incredibly powerful video editing and special effects generation using freely available software now. And if you have a big profitable YouTube channel, you can just buy the full Nuke Studio. You can look at this page to see how they used Nuke's compositing in the action scenes of Rise Of The Planet Of The Apes. There are literally hundreds of thousands of trained people in America who know how to use Nuke software. Not as many as Photoshop but still a lot. So you have a lot of talent out there to generate any and all kinds of fake videos.
#94. To: nolu chan, VxH, A K A Stone (#92)
I saw these at GP, hopefully the pix will show up here at LF.
Gateway Pundit: Las Vegas Gunman Targeted Massive Aviation Fuel Tanks
Those are 43,000 gallon fuel tanks that he shot at from 2,000 feet away.
That is a very handy little graphic they produced.
#95. To: nolu chan (#88)
http://www.physicsclassroom.com/mmedia/waves/er.cfm
Reverb can be reproduced electronically, but it doesn't have to be.
#96. To: Tooconservative (#94)
Those AV tanks would need something a lot more higher in caliber than what Pollack had. He was an accountant and obviously not an engineer or physicist. :-)
I worked with a few anti terrorist physical engineers prior to 9/11 and they used to laugh at post commanders worry some sniper could take out their fuel farms and cause an explosion. They would explain that a puncture and spillage (these were smaller tanks than the AV tanks in question) were possible and even an incendiary would just cause a heck of a fire but doubtful an explosion.
I guess too many generals watched Rambo movies. :-)
#97. To: VxH (#95)
Reverb can be reproduced electronically, but it doesn't have to be.
Reverb. n. an effect whereby the sound produced by an amplifier or an amplified musical instrument is made to reverberate slightly. · A device for producing such an effect.
The New Oxford American Dictionary, Second Edition, Oxford University Press, New York, 2005.
You cite some anonymous person on the internet about a word you did not use. I cite a world renowned dictionary for the definition of the word you actually used. In any case, your usage for a different word is considered archaic.
#98. To: Tooconservative (#93)
We could also just be seeing fakes.
We could certainly be seeing fakes. Even where a picture is real, a picture of two windows broken by a hammer does not prove bullets came out of them.
One theory is that there were no flashes because the shooter used a suppressor and stood well back in the room. Simple room lights are clearly visible, but muzzle flashes are not. And, of course, a suppressor complicates explaining the sound that was clearly recorded by the taxi lady.
The story sort of resembles Lee Harvey Oswald shooting magic bullets out of the Texas School Book Depository.
Have you heard of Scott Edmisten? It is a curious possible connection. This is from Monday, October 2nd.
Johnson City man arrested after loaded pistols, two machine guns, 900 rounds found during traffic stopBecky Campbell
Updated Oct 2, 2017 at 5:15 PM
bcampbell@johnsoncitypress.comAs the country was still reeling from the deadliest shooting attack in U.S. history, Washington County sheriff’s deputies arrested a man on a traffic stop, then found a cache of weapons — including what officials called two machine guns — and ammunition in his car.
Sheriff Ed Graybeal said officers spotted a vehicle traveling 55 mph in a 30 mph zone on Old Jonesborough Highway around 4 a.m. Monday. The officer turned on his cruiser’s lights and siren to make the stop, but initially the vehicle sped up. About a half-mile from the initial stop attempt, and after speeding up to 80 mph, the car pulled over.
Scott A. Edmisten, 43, 1915 Clearwood Drive, Johnson City, was arrested because his license was suspended for failure to appear in court on an unrelated matter. After officers took Edmisten into custody, they found the weapons: a loaded .357-caliber Magnum, a loaded .45-caliber semi automatic, a .223-caliber fully automatic AR rifle, a .308-caliber fully automatic AR rifle, more than 900 rounds of ammunition and survival equipment.
Edmisten was charged with speeding, felony evading arrest and possession of prohibited weapons. Neither of the automatic weapons were registered, and there were no serial numbers on them, the sheriff reported.
“The guns, he had made them fully automatic himself,” Graybeal said, adding that the AR 15’s receivers had been replaced to convert the weapon. “If you know what you’re doing, you can get the parts and do that.”
At the Washington County Detention Center, Graybeal said Edmisten made threats toward the arresting officer and other staff and lunged toward investigators who were trying to question him. Because of Edmisten’s aggressive behavior, Graybeal said officers asked for a bond hearing before Edmisten could post bail.
Investigators contacted the U.S. Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives because of the unregistered fully automatic guns, Graybeal said.
http://time.com/4969885/tennessee-submachine-guns-scott-edmisten/
Man Found With Arsenal of Automatic Weapons Had Recently Lost Custody of His KidsTime.com
Rebecca Reynolds Yonker / AP
Oct 04, 2017[excerpt]
Washington County Sheriff Ed Graybeal said Scott Edmisten won't talk, so officials are still trying to determine why he had the weapons, as well as a mask and black fatigues, when he was pulled over for speeding before dawn Monday.
You might find guns with serial numbers filed off, but who makes/distributes guns with no serial number, if that is what was meant?
#99. To: nolu chan (#98)
You might find guns with serial numbers filed off, but who makes/distributes guns with no serial number, if that is what was meant?
As the Clark County sheriff demonstrated repeatedly, sheriffs sometimes just shoot their mouths off stupidly.
Chances are that there are some serial numbers or they were filed off.
Beyond that, what advantage is there to removing serial numbers on these guns? Converting them to full-auto is what is going to put him in prison. The serial number issue is fairly minor by comparison. I'm not sure what jail time he'll get for this. Maybe 5 years?
#100. To: redleghunter (#96)
I guess too many generals watched Rambo movies. :-)
The generals are about like the rest of us, I think. If something is an unknown, we reach into our storehouse of fake knowledge from watching too many silly movies and come up with this stuff.
#101. To: nolu chan (#97) (Edited)
SMH.
The difference between Reverb and a simple Echo is that Reverb is a resonant effect rendered by multiple instances of the same wave pattern in the same space.
Ever heard a sax player in the subway? Ever sing in the shower? REVERB. No electronics required.
And that FACT renders your assertion:
"Reverb is created electronically to mimic echo, but it originates from the same speakers being used as your source."
nolu chan posted on 2017-10-08 17:14:23 ET
FALSE.
#102. To: nolu chan, VxH (#97)
The New Oxford American Dictionary, Second Edition, Oxford University Press, New York, 2005.
You're being silly. Reverberation is an effect of sound reflection and absorption and has been studied extensively since the 19th century, long before anyone made some analog or digital reverb unit for music and recordings.
Wiki: Reverberation
Although it seems like an exercise for the retarded, let's examine Wiki's definition:
| Reverberation, in psychoacoustics and acoustics, is the persistence of sound after a sound is produced.[1] A reverberation, or reverb, is created when a sound or signal is reflected causing a large number of reflections to build up and then decay as the sound is absorbed by the surfaces of objects in the space – which could include furniture, people, and air.[2] This is most noticeable when the sound source stops but the reflections continue, decreasing in amplitude, until they reach zero amplitude. Reverberation is frequency dependent: the length of the decay, or reverberation time, receives special consideration in the architectural design of spaces which need to have specific reverberation times to achieve optimum performance for their intended activity.[3] In comparison to a distinct echo that is a minimum of 50 to 100 ms after the initial sound, reverberation is the occurrence of reflections that arrive in less than approximately 50 ms. As time passes, the amplitude of the reflections is reduced until it is reduced to zero. Reverberation is not limited to indoor spaces as it exists in forests and other outdoor environments where reflection exists. Reverberation occurs naturally when a person sings, talks, or plays an instrument acoustically in a hall or performance space with sound-reflective surfaces.[4] The sound of reverberation is often electronically added to the vocals of singers and to musical instruments. This is done in both live sound systems and sound recordings by using effects units. Effects units that are specialized in the generation of the reverberation effect are commonly called reverbs. |
If you're saying that "he said reverb and reverb means reverb" and insisting that he was somehow talking about electronic musical effects, that's just silly.
Clearly VxH was speaking of reverberation, a well-known phenomenon for well over a century, predating electronic music, analog/digital recordings, etc.
#103. To: VxH (#101)
The difference between Reverb and a simple Echo is that Reverb is a resonant effect rendered by multiple instances of the same wave pattern in the same space.
You are evidently too dumb to realize that in the context you used it, reverberation in such definition would tell zero about a distant object. It can only function with the meaning echo, as in direct reflection. See my next post.
#104. To: Tooconservative, VxH, A K A Stone (#102)
You're being silly. Reverberation is an effect of sound reflection and absorption and has been studied extensively since the 19th century, long before anyone made some analog or digital reverb unit for music and recordings.
No, in translating time of sound travel to straight line distance, I will demonstrate that you and VxH are being silly. First I will put the conversation in context, and then show why reverberation in any sense other than echo is nonsense. And I will show why the VxH echo and distance claims are absurd, creating a shooter approximately midway between the Mandalay Bay and the event location.
The reverb section of burst B *sounds like* the burst from around the corner at 1:40.I think that's what's being misinterpreted. It's reverb - not a second shooter at the far window.
These two bursts are audibly very, very different. I am specifically speaking of the bursts and not the echoes.
As shots were taken from more than one vantage point, the echo times of bursts may not be comparable. The echos may have returned from different objects at different distances. The echo time differences would only indicate the shots were from different vantage points aimed in different directions. It would say nothing of the number of shooters, one or two. It does not measure the distance of the shooter(s) to the same distant object.
They could do echo tests to see if both echo times can be duplicated from the 32nd floor vantage point to the taxi location.
I did not comment on reverb and made very explicitly clear that I was talking two seperate bursts and not reverb. The the shooter(s) shot from two different vantage points, in different directions, the echo times from one would be different than the echo times from the other, as recorded at the taxi location. They do not directly compare.
Shots were taken from one window at the crowd. Shots from the other window were apparently taken at the gas tanks. Why would the echoes be, in any way, comparable, at the taxi location?
My response to saying they could do echo tests to duplicate the timing at the taxi location was met with, at #58,
What's the difference between Reverb and Echo?
If he had wanted to tell me what he meant, he had ample opportunity to do so. I am not his secretary or administrative assistant.
Reverb. n. an effect whereby the sound produced by an amplifier or an amplified musical instrument is made to reverberate slightly. · A device for producing such an effect.Reverberate. ... [trans.] archaic return or reecho (a sound)
Archaic very old or old-fashioned. · (of a word or style in language) no longer in everyday use but sometimes used to impart old-fashioned flavor.
The New Oxford American Dictionary, Second Edition, Oxford University Press, New York, 2005.
When the best you can do is some anonymous person on Wikipedia, versus The New Oxford American Dictionary, as far as word definitions, you lose.
Reverberate is not applicable except as echo. If the sound wave were to leave the muzzle of a gun and reverberate around 10 reflective surfaces before arriving at another location, e.g., a taxi at ground level, the time it took to bounce hither and yon would not tell you the distance to any third point. It may tell you the distance the sound traveled, but not the path the sound traveled.
Instead of answering a question of what he meant by the terms used, he decided to pose a smart-ass stupid question.
I gave him the definition of the word he used. In context, the word he used, and you repeat, is officially archaic.
As he preferred to be a smart ass, I schooled him about the proper meaning of the word reverb. His usage is archaic; i.e. it is incorrect in modern usage. Reverberation has no application to determine distance. Except as a direct echo, you cannot meaningfully render reverberation distance as a straight line that the round or the sound passed.
The picture of something or other at #58 and repeated at #68 (and at another thread #2 is unsourced to anything.
The underlying assumptions must be bullshit. Sound does not travel to a distance where someone hears it and it just reverses course. It reflects off an object and changes course. A recording cell phone does not make the sound turn and go back from whence it came. In this case, it was not recorded returning to the point of the gunfire, but to a ground level taxi. From 32 stories up, the sound could travel line of sight unobstructed to the reflecting object. The time someone recorded it along the way is irrelevant. After reflecting back, it may have encountered numerous obstructions at ground level on its way to the taxi.
The echo image is here:
http://www.pbase.com/wm25burke/image/166344785.jpg
The image comes from,
http://www.pbase.com/wm25burke/root&view=recent
William Burke's (M.F.A.) galleries on pbase.
So did the other one with the Klingon warship:
http://www.pbase.com/wm25burke/artisticlizance
Back to #32, incompatible with the information on the echo image. It is the VxH information that is incompatible with the Burke information, and any possible reality.
https://libertysflame.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=53025&Disp=32#C32
Here's what I see between the last bullet sound and the last report:
T1 T2 Elapsed Time Total Distance 17.69 18.76 1.07 1208.80ft Where T1 is the last bullet sound and T2 is the last report sound.
1.07 seconds between T1 and T2 = 1208 ft.
1208 ft from the Mandalay Bay, per Google earth, puts us right about where the video is being taken.
With no source, the definition of terms is deliberately kept secret. Of course, a report is a sound, so comparing a bullet sound to a bullet report is gibberish. Which, of course, is why I asked to clarify the terms.
Report. 2. a sudden loud noise, of or like an explosion or gunfire.
The New Oxford American Dictionary, Second Edition, Oxford University Press, New York, 2005.
He says,
Where T1 is the last bullet sound and T2 is the last report sound.1.07 seconds between T1 and T2 = 1208 ft.
1208 ft from the Mandalay Bay, per Google earth, puts us right about where the video is being taken.
What he wrote could be stated as, "Where T1 is the last bullet sound and T2 is the last bullet sound sound." If the context is bullets, a report is the sound made by a bullet being fired.
Notice that in the echo picture, the total distance reflected for 2.31 sec is 2612.57, and the echo distance is half that, 1306.28.
If he really measured the total distance at 1208 ft, the echo distance would have been half that ~604 ft., and we would have a newly discovered second shooter between Mandalay Bay and the concert site.
The echo is half the distance because half the distance is going to the reflective object, and the other half is coming back.
This assumption is still not wholly correct as the sound going could be unobstructed line of sight, and the return to the taxi could bounce off numerous obstructions, throwing off the distance calculation.
The echo time only indicates distance as indicated if the sound travels in a straight, unobstructed path. Doing so at ground level to get to the taxi is highly unlikely.
A shot fired from the side window also does not have a straight path to the taxi.
Moreover, no muzzle flashes were seen coming from the 32nd floor. A simple room light was visible through windows, but these muzzle flashes, if there were any, were not. The proffered explanation is that the shooter stood well back in the room, and used a suppressor. That may help with the invisible muzzle flashes, but not with the sound travel to the taxi. Try to draw a straight line from well back in the room to the taxi. The sound wave would go from the muzzle to the window and not exceed the size of the window, or it is travelling through a thick hotel wall.
#105. To: nolu chan (#104)
I have the impression that you are determined to insert a second shooter on a grassy knoll.
#106. To: nolu chan (#103)
reverberation in such definition would tell zero about a distant object.
That's correct. Nowhere did I imply otherwise. In this context Reverb is a source of sound that's being incorrectly interpreted as a second weapon firing simultaneously.
Let's see if you're smart enough to figure that out.
#107. To: nolu chan (#104) (Edited)
Sound does not travel to a distance where someone hears it and it just reverses course.
Actually you might want to consider the vortex manufactured by a super-sonic projectile, especially in the context of automatic gunfire.
Sound will follow the path of least resistance - back to the source.
and the return to the taxi could bounce off numerous obstructions,
That's why understanding the difference between REVERB and ECHO is relevant. How you coming along with that?
#108. To: nolu chan (#104) (Edited)
As shots were taken from more than one vantage point,
Nope. Burst A and Burst B are consecutive bursts, observed in "Taxi-driver" video.
Burst A
https://www.youtube.com/watch ? v=mBbOFwWquAw&feature=youtu.be&t=1m7s
and
Burst B
https://www.youtube.com/watc h? v=mBbOFwWquAw&feature=youtu.be&t=1m11s
Both are audibly the same at the start of each burst - probably because they're from the same window.
But they don't sound the same after the initial events at the start of each burst, and they don't end the same. Why?
What's the difference between Burst A and Burst B?
Understanding what the REVERB is is one key to answering that.
>>nolu chan quoted "1.07 seconds between T1 and T2 = 1208 ft."
You sure you got that on the right thread?
That quote is from a separate (and revised) analysis of sound events recorded at the target where:
"Video claims shooter dressed as police"
https://libertysflame.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi? ArtNum=53025&Disp=75#C75
That'd be the one where the Niburutards are falsely accusing a LV Police officer of being a mass murderer.
#109. To: nolu chan (#104) (Edited)
The echo image is here:http://www.pbase.com/wm25burke/image/166344785.jpg
Actually, I prefer:
http://www.pbase.com/w m25burke/image/166344785
That way folks can see the HTML text...
==========================================
An analysis of two sequential burts of gunfire between:
["Taxi Driver Video" the Zapruder Film of the Las Vegas shooting UNCUT / UNEDITED]
https://www.youtube.com/watch ? v=mBbOFwWquAw&feature=youtu.be&t=1m7s
and
https://www.youtube.com/watc h? v=mBbOFwWquAw&feature=youtu.be&t=1m24s
===============
T1: Time from start of video (1minute N seconds) at the time of the last shot in the burst.
T2: Time from the start of the video (1minute N seconds) at the time of the echoed sound event corresponding to T1.
TempF: the air temperature (72 degrees F)
FPS: 1130 ft per second -- The speed of sound at 72 degrees F
Elapsed Time: T2 minus T1, the number of seconds between the last shot, and the echo of the last shot in each burst.
Total Distance: Elapsed Time * FPS = the total distance traveled between T1 and T2.
Echo Distance = The distance the echo traveled from the aiming point back to the point of origin.
===============
Conclusion: Burst B is NOT two weapons being fired simultaneously. It is one weapon being fired at a more distant target. The longer distance, observable in the period between Burst B's T1 and T2, manifests a corresponding longer period of reverb. It is the reverb that is being incorrectly interpreted as a second weapon (and second shooter) firing at the same time.
Research resources:
https://www.google.co m/search?biw=1544&bih=856&q=Forensic+Acoustics+gunfire
http://www.physic sclassroom.com/mmedia/waves/er.cfm
https://www.timeanddate.com/weather/usa/las- vegas/historic
http://www.csgnetwork.c om/soundspeedcalc.html
=================================================
The HTML text that you neglected to reference.
What does this mean?
#110. To: Tooconservative (#105) (Edited)
How much do you suppose the Klingon-Lutheran Ministry Of (dis)Information is paying their minions these days?
The Soviets were notoriously cheap.
#111. To: VxH (#110)
How much do you suppose the Klingon-Lutheran ministry of (dis)Information is paying their minions these days?
I dunno but I want to get on their payroll.
Put in a good word for me.
#112. To: Tooconservative (#111)
Looks like they got decent benefits.
#113. To: VxH (#108)
#114. To: VxH (#73)
Dp you still think Klingon's teleported Paddock?
#115. To: A K A Stone (#114)
Dp you still think Klingon's teleported Paddock?
I think Mr. Healthranger is pulling ballistic parameters and audio data out of his arse.
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