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Humor Title: Trump Says He’ll Work With Democrats on Health Care Trump Says He’ll Work With Democrats on Health Care President plans an executive order on insurance ‘across state lines’
Here it is - This will begin the move toward "Medicare for All"
Comrade 45 lies a lot, but he did promise Universal Health Care...
"...When he was a presidential candidate in 2015, Trump told CBS's Scott Pelley on 60 Minutes that "everybody's got to be covered." He conceded that it may be an "un-Republican" thing to say, but he wanted to ensure that everyone had quality health care..." Post Comment Private Reply Ignore Thread Top • Page Up • Full Thread • Page Down • Bottom/Latest Good. Trump promised it, and he's keeping his promise, just like I want him to. The Republicans have failed at repeal and replace. That doesn't mean we let Obamacare implode and millions go without care. Meanwhile, Republicans want to take away the deductibility of property you pay on your house, but they want to end the estate tax. Of course.
#2. To: Jameson (#0) Is there someone who thinks he has a choice? In the entire history of the world,the only nations that had to build walls to keep their own citizens from leaving were those with leftist governments. #3. To: Vicomte13 (#1)
On this issue, you and I are in complete agreement.
And you are correct that the gop/45 "tax overhaul" will raise taxes on the working middle class while rewarding the wealthy. - It won't fly. "we are tartets from evil doers!!!" [ and ] U looked up birfer on the dcitionary. It isn't a movie. "Listen piece of shit. Call me anti American again and your're banned. I don't like you." - aka stoned - #4. To: sneakypete (#2) Is there someone who thinks he has a choice?
Good observation.... "we are tartets from evil doers!!!" [ and ] U looked up birfer on the dcitionary. It isn't a movie. "Listen piece of shit. Call me anti American again and your're banned. I don't like you." - aka stoned - #5. To: Jameson (#0) "...When he was a presidential candidate in 2015, Trump told CBS's Scott Pelley on 60 Minutes that "everybody's got to be covered." He conceded that it may be an "un-Republican" thing to say, but he wanted to ensure that everyone had quality health care..." Everybody's got to be covered ... how? Why do you assume, "... by the federal government"? There's no need to turn the entire health care system upside down to address the needs of the 10% who are uninsured. And how many of those uninsured want to pay for health insurance?
#6. To: misterwhite (#5) Everybody's got to be covered ... how?
Yes, everyone must be covered.
How? A little less than half of the entire population is already covered by a plan that is paid for by tax dollars. (Federal, State, County, Municipal, military, Medicare and Medicaid.)
The other half (all of us working people) are already paying for the other half and ourselves!
Simply enroll everyone in Medicare and stop paying for private insurance. Any person of normal intelligence can understand that the cost would be far lower without including the overhead and profits of the insurance industry and big Pharma.
Why the Federal Government? Because medical care for profit has been a gigantic failure.
Healthcare is an imperfect market. It does not behave according to free- market models. Americans access healthcare when necessary - not because they wish to.
There's no need to turn the entire health care system upside down to address the needs of the 10% who are uninsured.
It's not the 10% uninsured - It is the 48% who are already paying for 90% "we are tartets from evil doers!!!" [ and ] U looked up birfer on the dcitionary. It isn't a movie. "Listen piece of shit. Call me anti American again and your're banned. I don't like you." - aka stoned - #7. To: Jameson (#6) Simply enroll everyone in Medicare and stop paying for private insurance. Many large employers are self-insured and don't use private insurance. The rich are not insured. They pay cash. Young adults are covered under their parent's insurance. The young and healthy don't want insurance and 6 million of them paid the penalty instead. Meaning, there are many "uninsured" who want it that way. Let me tell you about Medicare. Do you know what it covers? Medicare Part A (free) covers hospital stays. That's it. No payments to doctors, nurses, surgeons, anesthesiologists, specialists, etc. No medicines. No doctor visits. No tests. No therapy. If you want those things covered, you have to sign up and pay the government for Medicare Part B coverage. Prescription drug coverage? You have to sign up and pay the government for Medicare Part D coverage. Then start filling out government forms to eventually get reimbursed. Or, if you're smart, you sign up (and pay) for Part C which authorizes a private insurance company of your choosing to provide all these benefits and THEY bill the government under Medicare. These private companies compete for your business by lowering costs and adding benefits.
#8. To: misterwhite (#7) Many large employers are self-insured and don't use private insurance.
Extremely rare - Self-insured means the company essentially pays a large deductible in exchange for lower rates - they're gambling that claims will be low and their expense will be lower than a traditional plan.
I have a very good grasp of how medicare works and the costs involved. This approach will still work.
I know lots of rich folks. I know several VERY rich people. I personally know a professional athlete who is worth several hundred million dollars. They all purchase health insurance.
I will suggest that the overwhelming majority of those who "pay the penalty" instead of purchasing health insurance - do so because the penalty is far less costly than coverage.
"..private companies compete for your business by lowering costs and adding benefits..."
I have been involved in annual renewals for group insurance coverage for over 20 years. Rates and benefits have never improved. It gets worse every year.
In the USA, our health insurance market exists not to promote good health or assure good quality care for our citizens. It exists to turn a profit - at the expense of those whom are paying for coverage. "we are tartets from evil doers!!!" [ and ] U looked up birfer on the dcitionary. It isn't a movie. "Listen piece of shit. Call me anti American again and your're banned. I don't like you." - aka stoned - #9. To: Jameson (#6) How? A little less than half of the entire population is already covered by a plan that is paid for by tax dollars. (Federal, State, County, Municipal, military, Medicare and Medicaid.) Not true. According to http://www.kff.org/other/state-indicator/ total-population 49% Employer Medicare is paid for with payroll deductions plus private insurance. That leaves Medicaid and VA which is 21% paid for by tax dollars.
#10. To: Jameson (#6) Why the Federal Government? Did you see this May 22, 2017 headline? California’s single-payer plan costs $400 billion — twice the state’s entire budget
#11. To: misterwhite (#9) Medicare is paid for with payroll deductions
Good try, these payroll deductions area tax. You also must take into consideration all the State, County, and municipal employees! Tax dollars directly pay for their benefits.
I enjoy turning this issue upside down and sideways in an effort to flush out pros and cons.
the bottom line is this: The cost of healthcare increases every year, making it more and more difficult for us to afford. This cannot continue. Guaranteeing every citizen excellent quality care at a greatly reduced cost would go a long way toward making America great - as 45 likes to say. "we are tartets from evil doers!!!" [ and ] U looked up birfer on the dcitionary. It isn't a movie. "Listen piece of shit. Call me anti American again and your're banned. I don't like you." - aka stoned - #12. To: Jameson (#8) Self-insured means the company essentially pays a large deductible in exchange for lower rates - Self-insured means they pay nothing to an insurance company. The employer IS the insurance company and pays all the claims itself. "I will suggest that the overwhelming majority of those who "pay the penalty" instead of purchasing health insurance - do so because the penalty is far less costly than coverage." The penalty is far less costly than coverage plus the deductible. If an individual is paying $300 per month in health insurance premiums and has a $9,000 deductible, he's paying $12,600 per year before his insurance kicks in. "It exists to turn a profit - at the expense of those whom are paying for coverage." I should hope so. When it doesn't, it pulls out of the market. And we see that happening all over under Obamacare.
#13. To: misterwhite (#10) I did not see that headline.
Here is a little more detail: However, a report by professors at the University of Massachusetts Amherst, commissioned in part by National Nurses United, estimated that after taking in the savings of single-payer, such as lower administrative costs and prices of pharmaceuticals, the actual cost of the plan would end up at around $331 billion. And, because 70 percent of the state’s current health care spending is covered by public programs like Medicare and Medi-Cal, California would only need to come up with $106 billion in new revenue, which researchers proposed could be done through two new taxes (a 2.3 percent gross receipts and sales tax), with exemptions for small businesses and tax credits to offset costs for low-income families. In exchange, nearly all of Californians’ medical expenses would be covered, doing away with premiums, copays, and deductibles. "we are tartets from evil doers!!!" [ and ] U looked up birfer on the dcitionary. It isn't a movie. "Listen piece of shit. Call me anti American again and your're banned. I don't like you." - aka stoned - #14. To: Jameson (#11) Good try, these payroll deductions area tax A tax which in then refunded in the form of health insurance. "You also must take into consideration all the State, County, and municipal employees! Tax dollars directly pay for their benefits." I see. So they're going to give up their insurance for a Medicare-type program? Gosh, if it's that easy, let's do it today! They're government employees -- simply tell them that effective Monday, they're all on Medicare.
#15. To: Jameson (#13) I bet the plan would end up costing them $600 billion instead of $400 billion, just like their road projects. But before that could happen, California would slash coverage and services up the ying-yang. They'd institute surcharges for smokers and the obese. They'd institute a special "medical tax" on everything unhealthy -- soda, chips, candy, ice cream, etc. Put the government in charge of healthcare and they will go crazy.
#16. To: misterwhite (#14) A tax which in then refunded in the form of health insurance.
Refunded?
If you're suggesting that "MY" 1.45% (plus my employer's match) goes to pay for "MY" health insurance, you would be nowhere near the truth.
It goes directly to pay the claims of current medicare recipients.
Gosh, if it's that easy, let's do it today!
Soon! "we are tartets from evil doers!!!" [ and ] U looked up birfer on the dcitionary. It isn't a movie. "Listen piece of shit. Call me anti American again and your're banned. I don't like you." - aka stoned - #17. To: misterwhite (#15) Put the government in charge of healthcare and they will go crazy.
While not perfect, Medicare works pretty well - not really crazy.
Besides - this will be the opportunity to "do it right" in the first place. "we are tartets from evil doers!!!" [ and ] U looked up birfer on the dcitionary. It isn't a movie. "Listen piece of shit. Call me anti American again and your're banned. I don't like you." - aka stoned - #18. To: Jameson (#16) Fine. A tax which is then indirectly refunded in the form of health insurance.
#19. To: Jameson (#17) While not perfect, Medicare works pretty well - not really crazy. And the VA?
#20. To: misterwhite (#19) And the VA?
Criminally underfunded.
Don't get me started.
The way the pentagon treats the vets when they can no longer fight should be considered "war crimes" "we are tartets from evil doers!!!" [ and ] U looked up birfer on the dcitionary. It isn't a movie. "Listen piece of shit. Call me anti American again and your're banned. I don't like you." - aka stoned - #21. To: misterwhite (#18) Yes just like the income tax withheld from our paychecks is indirectly "refunded" in the form of salary and benefits for congressmen and senators...... "we are tartets from evil doers!!!" [ and ] U looked up birfer on the dcitionary. It isn't a movie. "Listen piece of shit. Call me anti American again and your're banned. I don't like you." - aka stoned - #22. To: Jameson (#6) Everybody's got to be covered ... how? Yes, everyone must be covered. Yep. Yep. Yep. Yep. Yep. Yep. And yep. So much yep.
#23. To: Jameson (#20) The way the pentagon treats the vets when they can no longer fight should be considered "war crimes" And what it means is that nobody should enlist in the armed forces of the United States. They will train you. They will deploy you. They will cripple you. And they will leave to be homeless and die on the streets of America, or leave to rot to death with bedsores in some forlorn VA hospital rooms. Given that, nobody should volunteer to serve. Nobody should re-enlist. There is no popular will for the draft. Make the government have to change course by refusing to offer up your body for government service.
#24. To: Jameson (#6) Imagine if we ran car insurance the way we run health insurance. The industry would be out of business in a year. But, it gives us the health insurance solution -- no care unless you can pay. Which is the way it used to be prior to the enactment of EMTALA in 1986 -- after which hospitals started losing money.
#25. To: misterwhite (#24) no care unless you can pay. Which is the way it used to be prior to the enactment of EMTALA in 1986 -- after which hospitals started losing money.
EMTALA is a wonderful concept, however it falls into the category of "unfunded mandates" (the reagan legacy lives on)
Imagine if we ran car insurance the way we run health insurance. The industry would be out of business in a year.
The two cannot be compared - healthcare is a basic human right and should be treated as such.
Especially in the richest nation on earth. "we are tartets from evil doers!!!" [ and ] U looked up birfer on the dcitionary. It isn't a movie. "Listen piece of shit. Call me anti American again and your're banned. I don't like you." - aka stoned - #26. To: Vicomte13 (#23) Make the government have to change course by refusing to offer up your body for government service.
And hold accountable those responsible. "we are tartets from evil doers!!!" [ and ] U looked up birfer on the dcitionary. It isn't a movie. "Listen piece of shit. Call me anti American again and your're banned. I don't like you." - aka stoned - #27. To: Jameson (#25) healthcare is a basic human right and should be treated as such. No true human "right" depends on another to fulfill it.
#28. To: misterwhite (#24) But, it gives us the health insurance solution -- no care unless you can pay. Money over life. Pass. No, give us universal Medicare, and adjust the taxes to pay for it.
#29. To: Vicomte13 (#28) Money over life. I don't recall that being the case prior to 1986. What happens when a clinic goes bankrupt treating those who can't pay? How many others suffer and die because of that?
#30. To: misterwhite (#29) I don't recall that being the case prior to 1986. It wasn't. Thank God Ronald Reagan fixed that!
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