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Title: Jaguars, Ravens players kneel [overseas] during anthem amid Trump's criticism
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The Hill
URL Source: http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-brief ... l-during-anthem-in-response-to
Published: Sep 24, 2017
Author: Brandon Carter
Post Date: 2017-09-24 12:43:38 by Tooconservative
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Multiple Baltimore Ravens and Jacksonville Jaguars players knelt on Sunday during the playing of the national anthem at the first NFL game since President Trump called for players who take a knee to be fired. Video and photos posted to Twitter shows players kneeling and locking arms as the anthem played. Jacksonville Jaguars owner Shad Khan joined his players on the field and linked arms with them before the game began. Trump has faced backlash in recent days from after calling on NFL owners to fire players who kneel during the national anthem. "Wouldn't you love to see one of these NFL owners, when somebody disrespects our flag, to say, 'Get that son of a b---- off the field right now,'" Trump said at a rally in Alabama on Friday. "'He is fired.'" Trump’s comments brought rebukes against Trump from multiple NFL players, the head of the NFL players’ union and NFL Commissioner Roger Goodell, who called Trump’s comments “divisive” and said they showed a “lack of respect for the NFL.” Several NFL executives have also spoken out against Trump and reaffirmed their players’ rights to peacefully protest. But Trump on Sunday doubled down on his comments, calling for players to be fired or suspended for not standing during the national anthem and hitting the NFL for not telling players to stand. — Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) September 24, 2017 — Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) September 24, 2017 Poster Comment: Notice that "Shad Khan" (what a cute nickname), the Jaguars owner is a Paki immigrant and Sunni Muslim who joined his team in publicly disrespecting our country. Notice that they traveled overseas to disrespect our flag and anthem. But both teams stood for the British anthem! Another NFL story about kneeling: Ravens and Jaguars players kneeling during National Anthem in England pic.twitter.com/GhthyfIEe3— Justin Fenton (@justin_fenton) September 24, 2017 Many players from both teams kneeling during anthem in London, arms linked.— Neil Best (@sportswatch) September 24, 2017 Multiple players on both the Baltimore Ravens and Jacksonville Jaguars took a knee during the national anthem in the first NFL game today pic.twitter.com/lSz7IcwhBm— BuzzFeed News (@BuzzFeedNews) September 24, 2017 
A multitude of #Ravens and #Jaguars players kneeling during the National Anthem this morning, the rest of the team locking arms in unison pic.twitter.com/c97tPS9PxC— Ashlyn Sullivan (@ashlynrsullivan) September 24, 2017 
Jaguars’ owner Shad Khan: pic.twitter.com/aMO8cHDWYb— Adam Schefter (@AdamSchefter) September 24, 2017 
If NFL fans refuse to go to games until players stop disrespecting our Flag & Country, you will see change take place fast. Fire or suspend! ...NFL attendance and ratings are WAY DOWN. Boring games yes, but many stay away because they love our country. League should back U.S.
I did my best to get those Twitter pics to show here.
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$44 million per year Globalist-Propagandist NFL Commish Roger Goodell: "The NFL and our players are at our best when we create a sense of unity in our country and our culture." Oh, the irony. "Our culture"? "OUR Unity"?? WHOSE "sense of culture and unity" is that? The hypocritical, ungrateful, self-entitled. narcissistic "BLAME/HATE WHITEY!!" culture that is attempting to unite division, anarchy and hatred? The one that self-loathing white liberal-Left embraces? Uh, yeah. Is this 0bama's "Culture" of "Hope & Change" of destroying America's institutions and our sovereignty from within? ANSWER: YES TO ALL. More PsyOps, guys. Nothing but PsyOps. DIVIDE & CONQUER. Once the NFL exploited Pink Month as part of their "OPERATION: Feminize-Males" SJW agenda, some of us knew the Globalist' Game Plan was in full swing. From the very beginning when Kaep suddenly decided to disrespect the National Anthem -- *without* being disciplined, it was GAME ON. The NFL *also* is run by its own sub-"Shadow Governance" -- a division of Global Shadow Gubmint Inc. They knowingly used Kaep to catapult the propaganda and their agenda. Given the league is 70% black, the future math, and coercion and peer pressure wasn't going to be hard to figure out. All part of the ongoing demonizing of Trump, Whitey, and actual American UNITY and SOVEREIGNTY. All designed to help create CW2, chaos + anarchy = Martial Law.
His father was a Spanish naval officer who had an assignment with NATO that brought him to the States and he was born here and had birthright citizenship as a result. His mother was also Spanish with both parents over 6' tall. That's tall for Spaniards. So Villaneuva is a Spaniard, not a Hispanic. Therefore he's just another oppressive white man. Interesting background on Villaneuva -- who is proven to a true and courageous patriot. Should the Steelers (the author of the "Rooney Rule" that coerced NFL teams into AA employment policies that did NOT apply ironically to players) cut Villaneuva, the blow-back would be a tsunami. Already this stunt yesterday will prove to be crippling to the NFL. That said, I concur with Red's prediction that the MSM will spin it so Villaneuva will be labeled "white latino" sometime this week.
Unrepentant hypocrite Colin Kaepernick defends Fidel Castro And the NFL/ESPN yawned. OR praised him.
More reporting on that Hispaniard guy from Fox News. Football fans across America were clamoring for the jersey of Pittsburgh Steelers offensive tackle Alejandro Villanueva on Monday, a day after the former Army Ranger broke team orders by being the only player to come out of the locker room for the national anthem. Villanueva, who stood alone while "The Star-Spangled Banner” was being played Sunday in Chicago, currently has the #1 selling jersey on the NFL’s web store, ahead of top players including Tom Brady, Aaron Rodgers and Derek Carr. Steelers head coach Mike Tomlin appeared to take a swipe at the Bronze Star recipient's decision in a post-game press conference. Tomlin told the media that, prior to kickoff Sunday, the Steelers held a team meeting and decided, though not unanimously, to not come out of the locker room for the national anthem. “Like I said, I was looking for 100 percent participation, we were gonna be respectful of our football team,” Tomlin said when asked about Villanueva ignoring the order and coming out for the anthem. Tomlin added the intent was to have his team focus on the game and not President Trump’s comments blasting players who chose to protest during the playing of "The Star-Spangled Banner." “Many of them felt like something needed to be done. I asked those guys to discuss it and whatever they discussed that we have 100 percent participation or we do nothing,” Tomlin said after the game. “They discussed it for an appropriate length of time and they couldn’t come to an understanding, so they chose to remove themselves from it. They were not going to be disrespectful in the anthem so they chose not to participate, but at the same time many of them were not going to accept the words of the president.” Villanueva, who served three tours in Afghanistan, decided to stand his ground instead and placed his hand over his heart while the anthem played. “We’re not politicians. We’re coaches and professional athletes," Tomlin said Sunday. "If those of us or individuals choose to participate in politics in some way I’m going to be supportive of that. But when we come out of locker rooms, we come out of locker rooms to play football games." There appeared to be some confusion in the Steelers locker room after Villanueva came out of the tunnel for the anthem. Offensive tackle Chris Hubbard told Penn Live that the players, by a slim majority, voted in favor of staying off the field instead of standing on the sideline holding hands. "We thought we were all in attention with the same agreement, obviously," linebacker James Harrison told the website. "But, I guess we weren't." Hubbard, however, said everyone in the locker room accepted that Villanueva would be exempt from the team's decision. "Al was cool with it, with whatever we went through. He was on board. That's Al, man," Hubbard said. "He's a good guy." If the coach tries to hold the line on staying in the locker room, he can't be certain that others might not join the Spaniard since the vote was only by a narrow majority. Notice that the news coverage focusing on the rookie Steeler, J. J. Watt, who raised $30 million for hurricane relief has now entirely disappeared. He was one of those staying in the locker room.
Wonder what would be going on at the stadium if my old Irish head bashing Knights of Columbus uncles were still around. Would not put it passed them to get on the field and 'assist' players to the standing position.
JJ is on the Houston Texans. AFAIK all the Texans stood for the anthem. They played the Patriots this week.
Turns out that the Steelers were not in the locker room as their coach reported. Most (or all) of them ended up hiding in the tunnel about 30' behind the Spaniard. This will make it much harder for his coach to do anything to him (this time) since the rest of the team didn't stay in the lockerroom either.
The Steeler organization is playing with fire. Steeler fans are rust belt working class whites who swill Miller High Life. That means they are Trump supporters and the type who put him over the hedge in PA. They know they cannot play this game for long.
You're right, my bad. I could have swore I read that somewhere though. It is surprising just how bad some of the reporting is, like the lies peddled by ABC about the Steelers now that we are finally learning the truth about the tunnel thing and all the rest. Apparently, they just report things that they make up and decide later whether to issue any corrections or not. Another camera angle on the Spaniard, you can barely see a few team members back in the shadows in the tunnel. Seems to provide more proof that they were in the tunnel and not in the locker room.
Alas the spirit of fake news and the letter of the false narrative. The MSM has been complicit in such for quite a few decades. It took the Orange man to expose them for who they are and we should at least thank him for such. But he had to get in the same fecal strewn mud pit in order to expose them. Of course the fine deplorables here on LF have exposed the fecal false narratives for some time. Just wanted to get that in of course to give credit where due. :)
What is surprising is the sheer sloppiness and shockingly biased reporting of these supposed professional journalists.
I thought they were all shot by cops in an act of oppression.
Don't think it is sloppy reporting. It's either intentional or embedded in their education. Noticed even last year in 6th grade English class my son brought home books where he had to write a narrative on what he thought was the important message of the author. Don't know about you, but we used to study what the author was actually communicating instead of creating our own 'narrative.' It is the embedded moral relativism of our public education which is destroying some rather good talent out there. They are told to 'find' a narrative which 'speaks for them or others.' Meaning don't let the facts get in the way of a good story. I think that is what happened. Even the sports journalists have a preconception of what 'should be' and designs a narrative accordingly. A fake narrative. Needless to say we are homeschooling my youngest this year. Wife and I are no longer impressed with teachers teaching from a workbook. Any idiot can do that so why not me. :) Plus, he does not get bombarded with garbage which I have to deprogram at night. We use that extra time now to study theology and Bible reading. Win win situation. :)
What on earth does it have to do with Federal criminal law???? There is no CRIMINAL violation here by any party. The President has every right to stand up and speak up. http://law.justia.com/codes/us/2015/title-4/chapter-1/sec.-9/ §9. Conduct during hoisting, lowering or passing of flag During the ceremony of hoisting or lowering the flag or when the flag is passing in a parade or in review, all persons present in uniform should render the military salute. Members of the Armed Forces and veterans who are present but not in uniform may render the military salute. All other persons present should face the flag and stand at attention with their right hand over the heart, or if applicable, remove their headdress with their right hand and hold it at the left shoulder, the hand being over the heart. Citizens of other countries present should stand at attention. All such conduct toward the flag in a moving column should be rendered at the moment the flag passes. (Added Pub. L. 105–225, §2(a), Aug. 12, 1998, 112 Stat. 1498; Pub. L. 110–181, div. A, title V, §594, Jan. 28, 2008, 122 Stat. 138.) The government does have a say when, on national television, a corporate entity is permitting or encouraging the planned, deliberate, organized violation of a Federal statute, to the offense of the people, and in disrespect of the flag and the country. When, with league approval, the players and coaches disrespect the flag and the country, it is offensive. Screw stadiums. It is on FCC regulated BROADCAST television. It is a Federal matter. 4 U.S.C. § 9. It is the nation, the national flag, and the national anthem that is being disrespected. Opinions do vary. Trump has definitely shined the brightest light possible upon the kneeling cockroaches. He has presented the people with a simple choice between Team BLM, supported by Team Goodell and the NFL football monopoly, and Team USA. This cost of the NFL caving to Team BLM will have the same devasting cost as it did to the University of Missouri. Attendance goes down, tv ratings go down, and revenue goes down. When it goes down enough, the owners will no longer support the players costing them a fortune. As for owners joining with Team BLM yesterday, these are the same owners who will not hire Colin Kaepernick. They are in their current predicament because the NFL failed to act last year when Kaepernick insulted the nation every week. Pro athletes may well have modest loyalty to country, but likely a stronger loyalty to their teammates, and compatriots in other pro sports. It is not all pro athletes. There are thugs and jackasses in the NFL, just as there are outside the NFL, who support BLM bullshit agitation. The NFL can do something about their thug BLM infection, or they can pay the same price as the University of Missouri. http://m.washingtontimes.com/news/2017/sep/25/university-missouri-enrollment-hits-new-low/ By Bradford Richardson - The Washington Times Enrollment at the University of Missouri continues to crater in the wake of the November 2015 race protests, with this year’s incoming class down 33 percent from the one two years ago. [...]
I've mentioned previously that this was what disqualified Kaepernick from consideration by the Dolphins. He would just be unacceptable to the anti-Castro Cubans in Florida.
Spanish are hispanic.
http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2017/09/25/gregg-jarrett-trump-is-correct-nfl- teams-can-legally-fire-players-for-their-conduct.html Every professional player must sign the standard NFL player contract. In it, the player promises as follows: “To conduct himself on and off the field with appropriate recognition of the fact that the success of professional football depends largely on public respect for and approval of those associated with the game” (Paragraph 2). “ If player has engaged in personal conduct reasonably judged by the Club to adversely affect or reflect on the Club, then the Club may terminate this contract” (Paragraph 11). This language makes it clear that a team will decide whether a player’s personal conduct adversely affects the club. Since it is a subjective standard, NFL owners have enormous latitude and discretion to fire a player for reasons of conduct. But that is not all. The collective bargaining agreement negotiated by the players’ union and approved by the players themselves authorizes suspension or termination “for conduct detrimental to the integrity of, or public confidence in, the game of professional football” (Article 46). The players agreed in writing to conduct themselves with respect and refrain from conduct which is detrimental to the game. There is nothing in either of these contracts which gives players a right to a political or social protest while in uniform at the commencement of a game. Indeed, the league strictly enforces the wearing of patches and other symbols on player uniforms which are intended to promote causes.
Absurd presumptive coercion aside by a hypocritical white-hating black Coach Tomlin (who was handed his job SOLELY because of his race, AND is married to a WHITE WOMAN)...why refer to Alejandro Villanueva as a "Spaniard"? It smacks of unnecessary condescension and elitism. This man among cowardly boys is more "American" by deed and act than the vast majority of "Americans" -- who are AMERICAN IN NAME ONLY. In any case, we are again witnessing the usual BS spin from a despicably divisive Mainstream Media and NFL. Notice how they now refer to Villanueva's rejection of *their* consensus? "CONTROVERSIAL." Because THEY also regard America, White people, NFL fans, and President Trump with utter disrespect, contempt, and hatred, this Globalist reptilian trash are writing that Al Villanueva is "controversial." Note this trend: Both the media and NFL are on record as labeling those who honor either America OR God "controversial." Openly patriotic and heroic American (Al Villanueva) who stood alone during the playing of the National Anthem is "controversial; In Tim Tebow's case, it was his open faith in God, honoring Him with prayer that made HIM "controversial."
It sounds nice, you get to spend more time with your son too. That extra individual attention can really pay off. I did not share a teacher with other children in my own class until I was in sixth grade (except having a classmate for a while in second grade). It was a country school and never had more than 10 kids. So I got about 45 minutes a day alone with the teacher. I spent time in my workbooks, outlined entire textbooks to improve my reading comprehension, etc. Did me a lot of good really. I entered 6th grade reading at a 10th grade level and a consequently overestimated IQ.
Meh. The people of Spain are Spanish or Spaniards. Hispanic more often indicates Latin or South American colonies of Spain, at least in the modern era.
I don't recall anyone else calling him a Spaniard. I did. Mostly because someone else called him a Hispanic. He is a white man from Spain who had birthright citizenship here that he took advantage of. He was not from the old Spanish colonies in Central or South America or from Cuba or Puerto Rico, etc. He's insanely tall for a Spaniard. Among the Dutch, his height and size wouldn't be unusual but the Spanish just aren't that big usually.
Note the following, as well: 2017 Official Playing Rules of the National Footbal League, Rule 5, Section 4, Article 8:
Trump has definitely shined the brightest light possible upon the kneeling cockroaches. He has presented the people with a simple choice between Team BLM, supported by Team Goodell and the NFL football monopoly, and Team USA. This cost of the NFL caving to Team BLM will have the same devasting cost as it did to the University of Missouri. Interesting observations... It seems THE self-annointed arbiters of "Free Speech" (or notion that Abortion is considered "Choice" instead of Baby-Murder) are now the Globalist MSM, leftist Academe, and Anarchists. Truth is now relative to whether one is conservative OR liberal-Left. Libertarians remains as confused and supporting ANYTHING -- "just as long as no one dies. (Directly.) The argument that Trump should keep his mouth shut is akin to keeping quiet as your friendly neighborhood vandals and arsonists do their thang. This issue is NOT about 1A issues (as has the MSM-Propaganda etal tried to spin. They were conspicuously mute as 0bama was far more incendiary and divisive.) The GOOD news as you note is Trump exposing the infestation and TRUE under-belly of contempt and investment by the various elitist entities for an America-divided and mired in permanent anarchy. From where I stand, watch and listen, the NFL (like most American institutions that are slowly being co-oped), is fully prepared to take the financial bullet here. As I've recently suggested, in exchange for their nod and a wink, the NWO Globalist Cabal of Monied Occultists are underwriting any revenue losses by the owners. NONE of what's happened has taken any owners by surprise. ALL of it has their blessing. Colleges and Universities (like Missou) initially took financial bullets, but behind the scene money is presumably aggressively exchanging hands, taking much of the assumed financial sting out of the equation. It is very possible that (like DC politicians), NFL OWNERS THEMSELVES have also been made "offers" they "can't refuse." It makes NO sense that they would support this nonsense that will obviously alienate their fan base. UNLESS they've been reassured that THEY WILL BE COMPENSATED. As I've also suggested recently, the #1 Enemy of Globalist-Elites is American sovereignty and independence. The #1 foe standing in the way of a One World Government (as framed by the propaganda arm of the Globalist Occultists Inc) are White people. Christian White people. Especially, ARMED STRAIGHT CHRISTIAN WHITE PEOPLE. And Patriots of ALL stripes. This is why it is crucial that Christians especially be divided and isolated by tribe, race, age, politics, gender, and every demo possible.
Pau and Marc Gasol are two fairly tall Spaniards. Their "little" brother, Adria Gasol is 6'9". They are all from Barcelona. For Alejandro Villanueva, I could only find an unsourced claim that both parents were from Andalucia, or more specifically Cádiz. That's the opposite end of Spain. The tall gene is running around there somewhere, but I never saw any 6'9" Spaniards in Andalucia. Then again, I don't recall seeing any in the U.S., except on television.
Aah. Gotcha. He is a white man from Spain who had birthright citizenship here that he took advantage of. He was not from the old Spanish colonies in Central or South America or from Cuba or Puerto Rico, etc. A "good import" in this case. He's insanely tall for a Spaniard. Among the Dutch, his height and size wouldn't be unusual but the Spanish just aren't that big usually. Villenueva is very tall for a Spaniard. Or most any Mediteranean land. I wonder how HE refers to HIMSELF? "Spanish-American"? "Hispanic-American"? "Latino"? The Establishment has trained us to require labels so we can divide ourselves into anything BUT "American" without a hyphen.
But he had to get in the same fecal strewn mud pit in order to expose them. Of course the fine deplorables here on LF have exposed the fecal false narratives for some time. Just wanted to get that in of course to give credit where due. :) HAH! Well done! :-)
"Allo. My name is Inigo Montoya. You have my football. Prepare to die!"
I would guess just "American". I called him a Spaniard because I think that is most accurate according to my Mac's version of the Oxford dictionary. Spanish: relating to Spain, its people, or its language. Spaniard: a native or inhabitant of Spain, or a person of Spanish descent. Chicano: (in North America) a person of Mexican origin or descent, especially a man or boy. See also Chicana. Latino: (in North America) a person of Latin American origin or descent, especially a man or boy. See also Latina. In America, Hispanic/Chicano/Latino almost always refers to people from the old Spanish colonies in the Americas and never refers to a native or inhabitant or immigrant from Spain. In old books, you may see Spaniards referred to as Hispanics but that is outdated IMO. Ever met a white Mexican? These are old families from Spain that have lived for centuries in Mexico. Try calling them Hispanic or Chicano if you want an explosion. Hint: they don't like it. They identify as Mexican citizens but definitely consider themselves to be Spanish or Spaniards.
I don't think anyone will pay them off to take a hit. They are afraid of their next player strike when the contracts are renegotiated or afraid of the playas demanding the right to wear stylish new "Death To Whitey" emblems or some such. The owners think if they just pander now, it'll pay off later in avoiding a strike or demands that they let the NFL become the playas SJW propaganda platform. They're wrong of course.
Don't think it is sloppy reporting. It's either intentional or embedded in their education. Exactly. Noticed even last year in 6th grade English class my son brought home books where he had to write a narrative on what he thought was the important message of the author. Don't know about you, but we used to study what the author was actually communicating instead of creating our own 'narrative.' It is the embedded moral relativism of our public education which is destroying some rather good talent out there. They are told to 'find' a narrative which 'speaks for them or others.' Meaning don't let the facts get in the way of a good story. Excellent anecdotal example of "embedded moral relativism" intended to corrupt and condition the youngins' to misinterpret the truth of any given matter early on. If you weren't following so closely filtering the garbage, you'd never have caught on. You've nailed THE problem. Too bad the Establishment Cultists know the vast majority will not be filtering. Inevitable: Buffy and Skippy calling Social Services about Daddy's "dangerous" guns that they "are a-skeed of." Needless to say we are homeschooling my youngest this year. Wife and I are no longer impressed with teachers teaching from a workbook. Any idiot can do that so why not me. :) Plus, he does not get bombarded with garbage which I have to deprogram at night. We use that extra time now to study theology and Bible reading. Win win situation. :) Excellent! WIN-WIN. (Man -- how insane is it that our children must be "de-programmed" from public education propaganda??) Best investment you and Mrs. Red can make :-)
I think...that's exactly the inside-the-box narrative "they" have calculated would be widely accepted. NOT the theory of a "kook" like mine. Nope. The owners aren't THAT naive to assume a quid pro quo concession from playas in exchange for cratering the NFL fan base. Makes no sense. Nor should anyone believe that Goodell isn't a mere puppet who fears neither the NFL owners, the DoJ, nor playa strike. The "Playas"? They aren't THIS smart OR organized to pull off what's been orchestrated since Kaep decided to go commando all by his lonesome, going, "Meh," as he's become a half-black martyr while surrendered guaranteed millions.
But...didn't Kaep basically wear his stylish, "Death To Cops" sock already? WITH IMPUNITY from Goodell and NFL owners? I can easily see black-fist emblems or some other unofficial incendiary NFL-sanctioned "FU"s on its way to the field. ESPN will breathlessly report it in between half-smoked Marlboros.
The tall gene is running around there somewhere, but I never saw any 6'9" Spaniards in Andalucia. Then again, I don't recall seeing any in the U.S., except on television. There are reports of "Giants" in and about the nearby island of Corsica. As well as all over the world -- incluing the American Southwest. Of course these reports involve cover-ups, the Vatican, archaeological research, and Genesis 6, but I guess no one wants to hear about it. BUT JUST IN CASE:
Nah. They punted last year in fear of angering the supporters of Kaepernick. They unloaded him in the off-season. Problem not over or solved. Now they have dozens of Kaepernicks, and a bigger problem. They are not prepared to just bite the bullet. If the crap continues, it could not only threaten revenue, but in some areas, it could put teams out of business. If the NFL is moved out of large areas (e.g. NASCAR territory), it would open things up to start a seperate, competing league. The NFL can face a very real anti-trust problem if the government wants to give them one. Just because teams within the league compete against each other in football games, does not mean that it does not act as a single entity in marketing. I am not going to take a deep dive into American Needle and about ten years of litigation, but the conduct at issue was the licensing by the league to Reebok of the sole right to manufacture NFL apparel. I only wish to point out that there is an apparent weak spot where Trump could harpoon them like a whale. Anti-trust litigation would be no fun. Recall the government broke up Standard Oil and Ma Bell. If motivated, they might find a way to break up the NFL. In American Needle, Inc. v. National Football League et al., 560 US 183, 202-03, (24 May 2010), the Opinion of the Court stated, Football teams that need to cooperate are not trapped by antitrust law. “[T]he special characteristics of this industry may provide a justification” for many kinds of agreements. Brown, 518 U. S., at 252 (Stevens, J., dissenting). The fact that NFL teams share an interest in making the entire league successful and profitable, and that they must cooperate in the production and scheduling of games, provides a perfectly sensible justification for making a host of collective decisions. But the conduct at issue in this case is still concerted activity under the Sherman Act that is subject to § 1 analysis. That kicked it back to the trial court. In 2014, the District Court for the Northern District of Illinois Memorandum Opinion and Order stated, The second prong of defendants’ causation argument is that American Needle waived its claims in a document it signed in the bid process for the exclusive license. The language cited by defendants is a representation by American Needle that defendants had no obligation to grant it a license and that their decision not to award a license did not give rise to any rights in American Needle’s favor. This language falls far short of a waiver of the rights American Needle asserts here, which are derived not from the bidding process or any contractual arrangement with defendants, but from the Sherman Act. The language highlighted by defendants does not waive or disclaim those rights, and does not provide a basis for a grant of summary judgment in defendants’ favor. Defendants’ motion for summary judgment on causation grounds is accordingly denied. So, with the Court finding application of the Sherman anti-trust act, what happened? Well, the NFL settled with American Needle. I think it a fair conjecture they they paid handsomely to bury it. Likely, they would prefer to keep all talk of the Sherman Act buried.
In practice. I have a collegiate FU hat. They don't sell that model anymore. It has a big FU on the front. In smaller letters, not readable at a distance, it says Fordham University. I have an old one from the St. John's Redmen as well. That's another one they don't sell anymore.
Well, that is where their incredible power comes from, this legal monopoly that they were granted. The merchandise, the broadcast rights, the ability to treat the players as they like, all comes from this. You may recall that Trump once tried to own an American Football League team. Larry Klayman, who worked as an antitrust litigator back when they broke up AT&T's monopoly, wrote on this today. Newsmax: Revoke the NFL's Antitrust Exemption Obviously, he agrees with you on this.
They unloaded him in the off-season. Problem not over or solved. Now they have dozens of Kaepernicks, and a bigger problem. Kaepernick is REALLY a bad QB. No passer's touch; no football instincts; no preparation. no leadership qualities. And NOT dedicated to the job of football. That's not punting. That's reality. He stinks by every known QB metric. If the crap continues, it could not only threaten revenue, but in some areas, it could put teams out of business. If the NFL is moved out of large areas (e.g. NASCAR territory), it would open things up to start a seperate, competing league. It's not so convincing an argument when NFL owners start sanctioning the FU gesture by allowing their ENTIRE team to dishonor its fans and eschewing the National Anthem. The NFL can face a very real anti-trust problem if the government wants to give them one. Just because teams within the league compete against each other in football games, does not mean that it does not act as a single entity in marketing. Can and could isn't quite the same as "should"; The NFL has in reality been in violation of anti-trust laws and a monopoly. That the gubmint has decided not the prosecute is no surprise -- gubmint itself is a criminal enterprise (but that's another story.) I only wish to point out that there is an apparent weak spot where Trump could harpoon them like a whale. Anti-trust litigation would be no fun. Recall the government broke up Standard Oil and Ma Bell. If motivated, they might find a way to break up the NFL. The year 1982 may as well have been 150 years ago. Whole different world today... With Trump now presiding as a toof-less paper "President" and Congress and Judiciary acting with no less regard or respect for his authority, they answer only to the Globalist Elites. Ergo, any proposed litigation against an NFL on ANY legal grounds wouldn't get more than an inch off the ground with layers of NWO-owned judicial obstruction between Trump and Constitutional Law. We've already see this dance played out on far more serious issues -- like National Security. As the season wears on, we shall soon see just how much (or little) NFL owners fear public opinion from their millionaire employee FUs.
Heh...
Kaepernick was clearly as good as some of the backups hanging around. He was clearly not good enough to opt out of his contract and expect the world to compete to have him as a starter. He is not out of a job because he is worse than all the backups, and maybe a few starters. He was able to QB the Niners to the Super Bowl. It's not so convincing an argument when NFL owners start sanctioning the FU gesture by allowing their ENTIRE team to dishonor its fans and eschewing the National Anthem. What team would that be? Research your answer before responding. I remember the days when the league blacked out games on local television if the stadium was not sold out 24 hours before gametime. Nowadays, half the games due not sell to capacity. Sunday, they even failed to sell out the Patriots at home against the Texans. Having the whole team tell the fans to go fuck themselves is usually bad for business. How about an NFL game with 25,386 in attendance? Will that pay the salaries? Can and could isn't quite the same as "should"; The NFL has in reality been in violation of anti-trust laws and a monopoly. Could or should makes no difference. If they are in violation of anti-trust laws, and are a monoply, they have a weak spot to target. When The Donald tried to buy an NFL team, they very publicly shunned him. He was not acceptable for inclusion in their club (but that's another story.) As long as they have a good supply of K-Y, it should not get too painful. The year 1982 may as well have been 150 years ago. Whole different world today... I guess you missed that the Supreme Court opinion was from 2010, the trial court Memorandum and Order was from 2014, and the settlement to get out from under came in 2015. What happened is called losing. In 2015. That might as well have been yesterday. If Standard Oil and Ma Bell could not defeat the government, the NFL with a catastrophic public image will not do it. How did your invisible, imaginary friends allow a toofless Trump to get elected? As the season wears on, we shall soon see just how much (or little) NFL owners fear public opinion from their millionaire employee FUs. I have not already seen a bunch of BLM idiots disrespect the country and the viewers, and specifically the military and law enforcement. As the erosion of attendance, viewers, revenue, and interest continues, we will see the NFL owners fear the lack of public interest in the bullshit the NFL is trying to sell. The NFL is losing like the shitheads as the University of Missouri. You remember, "Hey, I need some muscle over here!" Those idiots forgot where their money comes from. Those idiots caved to jackasses protesting over Hands Up, Don't Shoot! That was the imaginary case of oppression of Mike Brown, the Gentle Giant, who was running away, with his hands up, shouting "Don't shoot!" The whole football team threatened to not play if the university president wasn't fired. He resigned. Loss of football revenue was just too much to bear. They have closed seven (7) dorms since caving in to jackass protesters. Freshman enrollment dropped 24%. Let NFL attendance and viewership drop 24% and see what NFL owners have to say. Oh, never mind. The owners have to wait for the Globalist-Elites and the New World Order, and the Illuminati to give them their marching orders. If the Invisible Hand orders them to throw away all their money and walk off a cliff, they will do it. What I still don't understand is why the New World Order ordered the people to vote Trump into office instead of Hillary, or why they ordered Hillary not to campaign in some midwest states.
I ask rhetorically: are you suggesting the First Amendment only prohibits civil action on the part of the federal government against people who's speech it doesn't like? I don't know if the fed gov has ever had any basis for a civil claim related to speech, but certainly the First Amendment prohibits the government from imposing any criminal penalty for speech/expression. Ergo, my statement above. Exactly, as any such alleged violation would violate the First Amendment. Yes, of course. I should have qualified it as any "criminal or civil" complaint. All government workers are free to express their own objections (with the possible exception of judges who may be ethically bound from doing so). As for 4 U.S.C. § 9, a key word in the statute is "should". Does "should" in this context mean "must" or perhaps it's more suggestive & non-binding in nature, as per it's common meaning in daily usage? I would expect any enforcement based on it meaning "must" would fail Constitutional scrutiny (not counting the "should" as directed to military personnel, which is likely very mandatory and enforceable). I mean, if the USSC said flag burning was protected expression, then I'd expect this to fall by the wayside. With respect to corporate entities, I wouldn't disagree with that. But there's little doubt the NFL would like nothing more than for their players to stop the damn protesting because it is hitting them in the pocketbook. The NFL, as a corporation, has absolutely nothing to gain from this mess, statute or no statute. Clearly the NFL is not organizing or planning or encouraging this in any way.
I enjoyed your challenge... Kaepernick was clearly as good as some of the backups hanging around. He was clearly not good enough to opt out of his contract and expect the world to compete to have him as a starter. Pure Stats lie. They can't measure intangable metrics. Like making other teammates better; motivating other teammates. LEADING A TEAM INTO BATTLE. He is not out of a job because he is worse than all the backups, and maybe a few starters. He was able to QB the Niners to the Super Bowl. Considering ALL factors, Kaep is NOW so much a net negative, clearly lost whatever talent he once possessed; and so divisive and hated a liability that even WERE he "good enough," he'd still have too many detractors. Fan bases don't want to root for a team of Terrorists and players who'd prefer to see them dead. Kaep's visit to the SB may as well been a thousand years ago. He was a novelty act that NFL defenses hadn't yet adjusted to. He was also surrounded by mega-talent. Now that this bum has been exposed as having few real QB skills that make him worthy of a job, his Antifa/BLM/Jihadi crusading priorities (instead of QBing priorities) obviously make him obsolete. ("NFL owners start sanctioning the FU gesture by allowing their ENTIRE team to dishonor its fans and eschewing the National Anthem.")... What team would that be? Research your answer before responding. THE PITTSBURGH GANGSTAS. (Just the one player [Villenueva] showing up still made that a "team effort.") Moreover, when coaches and owners start holding hands with players as gestures of solidarity (or allowing sizable numbers of players to demonstrate FUs to fans), then you may as well write off ENTIRE TEAMS. I remember the days when the league blacked out games on local television if the stadium was not sold out 24 hours before gametime. Nowadays, half the games due not sell to capacity. Sunday, they even failed to sell out the Patriots at home against the Texans. Having the whole team tell the fans to go fuck themselves is usually bad for business. How about an NFL game with 25,386 in attendance? Will that pay the salaries? Great! Just 25k attendance?? HA!! Yes, we all recall when the NFL was A SPORT. Those days are now over. Humpty Dumpty and all that. What I believe the NFL will now do is start addressing the abandonment by giving away tix in order not to be embarrassed by so many empty seats. This will help create the illusion that people still care. As I've suggested, I'll say it again -- there are mega-wealthy globalist shadow-backers subsidizing NFL losses. Of course you'll cite no hardcore evidence for my theory...and I'd respond by saying that there is no hardcore evidence that there's such an entity as "New World Order" OR a Coup that had rendered the office of the Presidency a charade. When The Donald tried to buy an NFL team, they very publicly shunned him. He was not acceptable for inclusion in their club (but that's another story.) As long as they have a good supply of K-Y, it should not get too painful. Yes -- some of us remember the USFL quite well and Trump's ownership of the NJ Generals (featuring Herschel Walker.) The shunning was expected; The NFL a well-known monopoly as was MLB for too long.
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#76. To: Tooconservative, redleghunter (#74)
Perhaps you know already but he is not a Latino of any flavor.
#77. To: redleghunter (#70)
My cousin reminded me of this article from last year:
#78. To: Liberator, redleghunter, nolu chan (#76)
I looked at the NFL store and his jersey is the first listed but I don't know how to quantify how many have been sold or that he is actually #1 there. Price is $99.
#79. To: Liberator (#75)
The NFL *also* is run by its own sub-"Shadow Governance" -- a division of Global Shadow Gubmint Inc. They knowingly used Kaep to catapult the propaganda and their agenda.
#80. To: Tooconservative (#78)
J. J. Watt, who raised $30 million for hurricane relief
#81. To: All, Liberator, redleghunter, nolu chan (#78)
#82. To: TooConservative, Liberator (#81)
This will make it much harder for his coach to do anything to him (this time) since the rest of the team didn't stay in the lockerroom either.
#83. To: All (#78)
Notice that the news coverage focusing on the rookie Steeler, J. J. Watt, who raised $30 million for hurricane relief has now entirely disappeared. He was one of those staying in the locker room.
#84. To: Tooconservative (#83)
Apparently, they just report things that they make up and decide later whether to issue any corrections or not.
#85. To: redleghunter (#84)
#86. To: Tooconservative (#65)
My first guess: they were all shot by our national anthem.
#87. To: Tooconservative (#85)
What is surprising is the sheer sloppiness and shockingly biased reporting of these supposed professional journalists.
#88. To: Pinguinite (#68)
Well, it is constitutionally protected from criminal action which means Trump has zero legal authority to do anything about it.
My meaning with "private" was that the government has no say or grounds for complaint in the matter, and that it was solely in the purview of the NFL to deal with however they see fit.
4 U.S.C. § 9 (2015)
True, as stadiums qualify as public venues and the events are widely broadcast it is not private it that sense.
As it is not a federal matter, Trump should declare it as such, and his condemnation of the protest should be billed as his personal opinion, though underscoring that is not Trump's way.
From another angle, Trump's condemnation of the protests have actually served to reward the protesters with the very attention they want. That may have actually fanned the flames, so to speak, and encouraged other athletes to protest as well.
University of Missouri enrollment hits new low
Monday, September 25, 2017
#89. To: redleghunter (#70)
Unrepentant hypocrite Colin Kaepernick defends Fidel Castro
#90. To: Tooconservative, redleghunter (#74)
So Villaneuva is a Spaniard, not a Hispanic.
#91. To: nolu chan (#36)
#92. To: Tooconservative, redleghunter, nolu chan (#78)
If the coach tries to hold the line on staying in the locker room, he can't be certain that others might not join the Spaniard since the vote was only by a narrow majority.
#93. To: redleghunter (#87)
Needless to say we are homeschooling my youngest this year. Wife and I are no longer impressed with teachers teaching from a workbook. Any idiot can do that so why not me. :) Plus, he does not get bombarded with garbage which I have to deprogram at night. We use that extra time now to study theology and Bible reading. Win win situation. :)
#94. To: nolu chan (#90)
Spanish are hispanic.
#95. To: Liberator (#92)
...why refer to Alejandro Villanueva as a "Spaniard"?
#96. To: misterwhite (#91)
ARTICLE 8. PERSONAL MESSAGES. Throughout the period on game-day that a player is visible to the stadium and television audience (including in pregame warm-ups, in the bench area, and during postgame interviews in the locker room or on the field), players are prohibited from wearing, displaying, or otherwise conveying personal messages either in writing or illustration, unless such message has been approved in advance by the League office. Items to celebrate anniversaries or memorable events, or to honor or commemorate individuals, such as helmet decals, and arm bands and jersey patches on players’ uniforms, are prohibited unless approved in advance by the League office. All such items approved by the League office, if any, must relate to team or League events or personages. The League will not grant permission for any club or player to wear, display, or otherwise convey messages, through helmet decals, arm bands, jersey patches, or other items affixed to game uniforms or equipment, which relate to political activities or causes, other non-football events, causes or campaigns, or charitable causes or campaigns. Further, any such approved items must be modest in size, tasteful, non-commercial, and noncontroversial; must not be worn for more than one football season; and if approved for use by a specific team, must not be worn by players on other teams in the League.
#97. To: nolu chan, Pinguinite, tooconservative, redleghunter, Vicomte13 (#88)
The President has every right to stand up and speak up....
#98. To: Tooconservative, Liberator (#95)
He's insanely tall for a Spaniard.
#99. To: Tooconservative (#95)
I don't recall anyone else calling him a Spaniard. I did. Mostly because someone else called him a Hispanic.
#100. To: redleghunter, Tooconservative (#84)
The MSM has been complicit in such for quite a few decades. It took the Orange man to expose them for who they are and we should at least thank him for such.
#101. To: Liberator (#99)
It consists primarily of a record of innocent people
#102. To: Liberator (#99)
Villenueva is very tall for a Spaniard. Or most any Mediteranean land. I wonder how HE refers to HIMSELF? "Spanish-American"? "Hispanic-American"? "Latino"? The Establishment has trained us to require labels so we can divide ourselves into anything BUT "American" without a hyphen.
Hispanic: relating to Spain or to Spanish-speaking countries, especially those of Latin America.
#103. To: Liberator (#97)
It is very possible that (like DC politicians), NFL OWNERS THEMSELVES have also been made "offers" they "can't refuse." It makes NO sense that they would support this nonsense that will obviously alienate their fan base. UNLESS they've been reassured that THEY WILL BE COMPENSATED.
#104. To: redleghunter, Tooconservative (#87)
("What is surprising is the sheer sloppiness and shockingly biased reporting of these supposed professional journalists.")
#105. To: Tooconservative (#103)
The owners think if they just pander now, it'll pay off later in avoiding a strike or demands that they let the NFL become the playas SJW propaganda platform.
#106. To: Tooconservative (#103)
...wear stylish new "Death To Whitey" emblems or some such.
#107. To: nolu chan, Tooconservative, redleghunter, Vicomte13, AKA Stone (#98)
For Alejandro Villanueva, I could only find an unsourced claim that both parents were from Andalucia, or more specifically Cádiz. That's the opposite end of Spain.
#108. To: Liberator (#97)
From where I stand, watch and listen, the NFL (like most American institutions that are slowly being co-oped), is fully prepared to take the financial bullet here.
VI
Finally, defendants argue that American Needle cannot show a causal link between the Reebok contract and any damage it suffered. The initial basis for this argument is a series of contentions. Defendants assert that a contract that chose a larger but still fixed number of licensees would have been permissible under the Sherman Act, that American Needle’s bid was not one of the best bids, and that its license rights would not have been renewed even in the absence of the Reebok exclusive arrangement. Defendants do not cite authority for their assertion that a less dramatic restraint, permitting as many as three licensees, would have been presumptively valid under Sherman Act analysis. Nor do defendants contend that American Needle had in any way been in breach of its earlier license agreements or that it was otherwise disqualified from continued participation in the prior multiple-licensee approach. On this record, there is sufficient evidence to permit a jury to find that American Needle could have continued as a licensee under the traditional structure, and that its prospects were ended by defendants’ concerted decision to limit the number of their licensees. The possibility that a less onerous restraint would have also ended those prospects does not negate the causal link between the alleged injuries and the restraint actually imposed.
#109. To: Liberator, Tooconservative (#106)
But...didn't Kaep basically wear his stylish, "Death To Cops" sock already?
unofficial incendiary NFL-sanctioned "FU"s on its way to the field.
#110. To: nolu chan (#108)
The NFL can face a very real anti-trust problem if the government wants to give them one. Just because teams within the league compete against each other in football games, does not mean that it does not act as a single entity in marketing.
#111. To: nolu chan (#108)
(Edited)
Nah. They punted last year in fear of angering the supporters of Kaepernick.
#112. To: nolu chan (#109)
I have a collegiate FU hat. They don't sell that model anymore. It has a big FU on the front. In smaller letters, not readable at a distance, it says Fordham University.
#113. To: Liberator (#111)
Kaepernick is REALLY a bad QB. No passer's touch; no football instincts; no preparation. no leadership qualities. And NOT dedicated to the job of football. That's not punting. That's reality. He stinks by every known QB metric.
If the crap continues, it could not only threaten revenue, but in some areas, it could put teams out of business. If the NFL is moved out of large areas (e.g. NASCAR territory), it would open things up to start a seperate, competing league.
The NFL can face a very real anti-trust problem if the government wants to give them one. Just because teams within the league compete against each other in football games, does not mean that it does not act as a single entity in marketing.
That the gubmint has decided not the prosecute is no surprise -- gubmint itself is a criminal enterprise (but that's another story.)
I only wish to point out that there is an apparent weak spot where Trump could harpoon them like a whale. Anti-trust litigation would be no fun. Recall the government broke up Standard Oil and Ma Bell. If motivated, they might find a way to break up the NFL.
With Trump now presiding as a toof-less paper "President" and Congress and Judiciary acting with no less regard or respect for his authority, they answer only to the Globalist Elites. Ergo, any proposed litigation against an NFL on ANY legal grounds wouldn't get more than an inch off the ground with layers of NWO-owned judicial obstruction between Trump and Constitutional Law.
We've already see this dance played out on far more serious issues -- like National Security.
#114. To: nolu chan (#88)
Well, it is constitutionally protected from criminal action which means Trump has zero legal authority to do anything about it.
What on earth does it have to do with Federal criminal law????
There is no CRIMINAL violation here by any party.
My meaning with "private" was that the government has no say or grounds for complaint in the matter, and that it was solely in the purview of the NFL to deal with however they see fit.
The President has every right to stand up and speak up.
During the ceremony of hoisting or lowering the flag or when the flag is passing in a parade or in review, all persons present in uniform should render the military salute. Members of the Armed Forces and veterans who are present but not in uniform may render the military salute. All other persons present should face the flag and ...
The government does have a say when, on national television, a corporate entity is permitting or encouraging the planned, deliberate, organized violation of a Federal statute, to the offense of the people, and in disrespect of the flag and the country.
#115. To: nolu chan (#113)
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