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Title: Jaguars, Ravens players kneel [overseas] during anthem amid Trump's criticism
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The Hill
URL Source: http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-brief ... l-during-anthem-in-response-to
Published: Sep 24, 2017
Author: Brandon Carter
Post Date: 2017-09-24 12:43:38 by Tooconservative
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Multiple Baltimore Ravens and Jacksonville Jaguars players knelt on Sunday during the playing of the national anthem at the first NFL game since President Trump called for players who take a knee to be fired. Video and photos posted to Twitter shows players kneeling and locking arms as the anthem played. Jacksonville Jaguars owner Shad Khan joined his players on the field and linked arms with them before the game began. Trump has faced backlash in recent days from after calling on NFL owners to fire players who kneel during the national anthem. "Wouldn't you love to see one of these NFL owners, when somebody disrespects our flag, to say, 'Get that son of a b---- off the field right now,'" Trump said at a rally in Alabama on Friday. "'He is fired.'" Trump’s comments brought rebukes against Trump from multiple NFL players, the head of the NFL players’ union and NFL Commissioner Roger Goodell, who called Trump’s comments “divisive” and said they showed a “lack of respect for the NFL.” Several NFL executives have also spoken out against Trump and reaffirmed their players’ rights to peacefully protest. But Trump on Sunday doubled down on his comments, calling for players to be fired or suspended for not standing during the national anthem and hitting the NFL for not telling players to stand. — Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) September 24, 2017 — Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) September 24, 2017 Poster Comment: Notice that "Shad Khan" (what a cute nickname), the Jaguars owner is a Paki immigrant and Sunni Muslim who joined his team in publicly disrespecting our country. Notice that they traveled overseas to disrespect our flag and anthem. But both teams stood for the British anthem! Another NFL story about kneeling: Ravens and Jaguars players kneeling during National Anthem in England pic.twitter.com/GhthyfIEe3— Justin Fenton (@justin_fenton) September 24, 2017 Many players from both teams kneeling during anthem in London, arms linked.— Neil Best (@sportswatch) September 24, 2017 Multiple players on both the Baltimore Ravens and Jacksonville Jaguars took a knee during the national anthem in the first NFL game today pic.twitter.com/lSz7IcwhBm— BuzzFeed News (@BuzzFeedNews) September 24, 2017 
A multitude of #Ravens and #Jaguars players kneeling during the National Anthem this morning, the rest of the team locking arms in unison pic.twitter.com/c97tPS9PxC— Ashlyn Sullivan (@ashlynrsullivan) September 24, 2017 
Jaguars’ owner Shad Khan: pic.twitter.com/aMO8cHDWYb— Adam Schefter (@AdamSchefter) September 24, 2017 
If NFL fans refuse to go to games until players stop disrespecting our Flag & Country, you will see change take place fast. Fire or suspend! ...NFL attendance and ratings are WAY DOWN. Boring games yes, but many stay away because they love our country. League should back U.S.
I did my best to get those Twitter pics to show here.
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#44. To: A K A Stone (#26)
Jones was on fire in his clip. He didn't really want to stop.
Did any Patriots kneel? I'm curious after their owner Kraft criticized Trump and supported the playas. Someone should start a website, listing who kneels or acts out or refuse to leave the locker room for the anthem and in which games. Update: Some Patriots did kneel, Brady did an arm link with one for solidarity
Thank you for your participation despite your obvious struggles with forming any rational thought.
I have heard him occasionally as a fill-in for Rush Limbaugh.
It was a dozen or so. Loud booing followed the national anthem. [excerpt] Fueled by comments by President Donald J. Trump aimed at NFL players not standing for the national anthem, McCourty and at least 15 Patriots teammates took a knee during the anthem prior to playing the Texans Sunday. Many fans booed the players in response and called for them to “stand up.”
By Mallory Shelbourne Several NASCAR team owners said Sunday they would not condone racers protesting during the national anthem, amid protests by sports players at football and baseball games. There were no protests reported during “The Star-Spangled Banner" at the Monster Energy NASCAR Cup Series in New Hampshire, according to The Associated Press. Former NASCAR champion Richard Petty told the AP that any member of his team would be fired if they chose to protest the national anthem. Petty now owns Richard Petty Motorsports. “Anybody that don’t stand up for the anthem oughta be out of the country. Period. What got ’em where they’re at? The United States,” Petty said in comments reported by the AP. Richard Childress, a former driver who owns Richard Childress Racing, said any protests from his team members would “get you a ride on a Greyhound bus.” [...]
All eyes on tomorrow nights game. If no Cowboys disrespect our anthem, then Dallas will be the only team I watch this year. I'm the infidel... Allah warned you about. كافر المسلح
I've always disliked the Dallas Cowboys. They may be my new favorite team.
Rednecks taking a stand. Love it. Houston Texans apparently all stood. Jerry Jones told Cowboys players if they kneel they don't play. That was rumor control from a few coaches I know in the know. :-)
Houston Oilers used to be my favorite team. Back in the days of Earl Campbell, Warren Moon, Ernest Givins etc.
Maybe you shouldn't switch teams just yet. See how it plays out for a week or so. There's still plenty of NFL season left.
Update. Local sports writer stated the Jerry Jones threat was fake news. So stay tuned for Monday Night football to see how the Cowboys deal with the recent protests.
I looked into this one more. I saw it reported that the young black coach of the Steelers, Mike Tomlin, was on the field with some other coaches (but nowhere near Villaneuve). I noticed that ABC initially reported that all the Steelers stayed in the locker room. Obviously a lie and a deliberate lie at that. Then ABC switched around and tried to pretend that the Steelers QB came out once the anthem had started. Well, it looked like he came out leading the team only after the last words of the anthem were sung. So, another deliberate lie, I think. "We're not participating in the anthem today," Tomlin said, adding that the action was "not to be disrespectful to the anthem" but to remove the team "from this circumstance." "People shouldn't have to choose" whether to kneel or stand during the anthem, he said. "If a guy feels a need to do something he should not be separated from his teammate who chooses not to." "So we're not participating today," he said. "That's our decision." At Soldier Field, Coach Tomlin was spotted with other coaches on the sideline, but most of the players remained in the locker room as expected. Once the national anthem commenced, quarterback Ben Roethlisberger walked out of the tunnel, as did left tackle Alejandro Villanueva, who served as an Army ranger in Afghanistan. He held a hand over his heart as he marched onto the field. With all the arm-linking and statements about "supporting their teammates" (including some shameless pandering by Tom Brady), where were the Steelers supporting their teammate Villaneuve who had served multiple tours in Af-Pak? And then ABC shamelessly lied about the whole event. You know, because those football fans are just too damned stupid to notice all their lies anyway. Tomlin gave this answer on the Steelers sitting it out post-game:
Well a rookie catcher on the cellar dwelling Oakland A's was the first baseball player to take a knee. A’s Bruce Maxwell first MLB player to kneel for anthem A terrible team and insignificant rookie.
I'm wondering if Villaneuve will be fined by his team or face repercussions. Would they dare? The YouTube thread is an all-out flame war as you can imagine. They seem to hate Villaneuve almost as much as they used to hate Tebow. At least, they're testing the waters.
https://twitter.com/govmikehuckabee?lang=en Instead of mega-rich athletes taking knee during Nat'l Anthem, why not get on BOTH knees and thank God they live in USA? #respecttheflag - - - - - - - - - -
Maybe they could clean up the minor problem in the peace loving and undeerstanding neighborhood of Chiraq. http://www.nbcchicago.com/news/local/chicago-weekend-shootings-september-22-to-24-447523093.html Three people have been killed and at least 36 have been wounded in shootings across Chicago this weekend. The latest fatality occurred in the city’s South Austin neighborhood around 9:30 a.m. Sunday morning. A 34-year-old man was shot in the neck and chest by a person in a silver sedan, and was pronounced dead at Stroger Hospital. Another person, a 33-year-old man, was shot and killed in the 1500 block of South Trumbell around 2 a.m. Sunday morning. He was found in the street with a gunshot wound to his face by police, and was pronounced dead at Mt. Sinai. Friday: Saturday: Sunday:
I couldn't help myself but find a variation of that old gif you posted. So there!
My brother is a huge Pittsburgh fan since he was a kid. He doesn't care much for Tomlin. I'm wondering what he thinks of the Steelers now.
I suppose you could ask him at a Thanksgiving or Christmas dinner. I would guess that the libs are scribbling away already on advisory pieces about "how to talk to your child about football and the trauma of the national anthem", "how to talk to your drunk uncle about how wrong the anthem is", etc. Of course, this is just the Left doing its best to make everything political and controversial. And they do, of course, hate Thanksgiving and Christmas and the anthem and the NFL to begin with so pouring some gasoline on this and striking matches is a no-brainer for them. They are political arsonists.
My first guess: they were all shot by our national anthem.
That is entirely the issue, and why so many people are starting to shun the NFL.
DailyCaller: Sales Of Villanueva’s Football Jersey Skyrocket Sales of the former Army Ranger’s jersey on Fanatics.com shot up to the highest-seller among Pittsburgh Steelers jersey as of just 10 PM Eastern time. Additionally, Villanueva’s jersey sales rocketed into the top sellers in the entire league as of 7:45 PM EST behind only Marshawn Lynch, Derek Carr, Carson Wentz, Brown, and Aaron Rodgers, 247 Sports reported. I think we all could have predicted this one.
Well, it is constitutionally protected from criminal action which means Trump has zero legal authority to do anything about it. My meaning with "private" was that the government has no say or grounds for complaint in the matter, and that it was solely in the purview of the NFL to deal with however they see fit. True, as stadiums qualify as public venues and the events are widely broadcast it is not private it that sense. As it is not a federal matter, Trump should declare it as such, and his condemnation of the protest should be billed as his personal opinion, though underscoring that is not Trump's way. From another angle, Trump's condemnation of the protests have actually served to reward the protesters with the very attention they want. That may have actually fanned the flames, so to speak, and encouraged other athletes to protest as well. Pro athletes may well have modest loyalty to country, but likely a stronger loyalty to their teammates, and compatriots in other pro sports.
Retired Sergeant Major across the street good buddy and neighbor is a huge Steelers fan. He's mighty pissed. I'm sure when he gets back from Idaho bear hunting (he did get a medium sized black bear last week) he will be sporting Villanueva's jersey in his garage workshop.
My cousin reminded me of this article from last year:
Hitting them in the wallet is the only way to make the SJW NFL and SJW ESPN change. This is another strategy of the Left overall. Just as they want to no-platform any conservatives who disagree with them, they want to convert the supposed untouchable cultural elements like the NFL with no-escapism. They want you to have no opportunity to escape their message in any venue and they will not tolerate anyone trying to use "their platform" unless it is in conformity with their policy agenda. In this sense, I expect they will try to silence or expel Villaneuva. Or he will be targeted for a career-ending injury by other teams.
I'm sure he will be labeled "white latino" sometime this week.
You might remind him of Kaep getting away with wearing pig socks with his uniform, entirely contrary to NFL and team policy. Goodell did nothing. But try to honor fallen cops or wear a Christian T-shirt while sitting on the sidelines injured? All hell will break loose and Goodell will swing into action.
Perhaps you know already but he is not a Latino of any flavor. His father was a Spanish naval officer who had an assignment with NATO that brought him to the States and he was born here and had birthright citizenship as a result. His mother was also Spanish with both parents over 6' tall. That's tall for Spaniards. So Villaneuva is a Spaniard, not a Hispanic. Therefore he's just another oppressive white man.
$44 million per year Globalist-Propagandist NFL Commish Roger Goodell: "The NFL and our players are at our best when we create a sense of unity in our country and our culture." Oh, the irony. "Our culture"? "OUR Unity"?? WHOSE "sense of culture and unity" is that? The hypocritical, ungrateful, self-entitled. narcissistic "BLAME/HATE WHITEY!!" culture that is attempting to unite division, anarchy and hatred? The one that self-loathing white liberal-Left embraces? Uh, yeah. Is this 0bama's "Culture" of "Hope & Change" of destroying America's institutions and our sovereignty from within? ANSWER: YES TO ALL. More PsyOps, guys. Nothing but PsyOps. DIVIDE & CONQUER. Once the NFL exploited Pink Month as part of their "OPERATION: Feminize-Males" SJW agenda, some of us knew the Globalist' Game Plan was in full swing. From the very beginning when Kaep suddenly decided to disrespect the National Anthem -- *without* being disciplined, it was GAME ON. The NFL *also* is run by its own sub-"Shadow Governance" -- a division of Global Shadow Gubmint Inc. They knowingly used Kaep to catapult the propaganda and their agenda. Given the league is 70% black, the future math, and coercion and peer pressure wasn't going to be hard to figure out. All part of the ongoing demonizing of Trump, Whitey, and actual American UNITY and SOVEREIGNTY. All designed to help create CW2, chaos + anarchy = Martial Law.
His father was a Spanish naval officer who had an assignment with NATO that brought him to the States and he was born here and had birthright citizenship as a result. His mother was also Spanish with both parents over 6' tall. That's tall for Spaniards. So Villaneuva is a Spaniard, not a Hispanic. Therefore he's just another oppressive white man. Interesting background on Villaneuva -- who is proven to a true and courageous patriot. Should the Steelers (the author of the "Rooney Rule" that coerced NFL teams into AA employment policies that did NOT apply ironically to players) cut Villaneuva, the blow-back would be a tsunami. Already this stunt yesterday will prove to be crippling to the NFL. That said, I concur with Red's prediction that the MSM will spin it so Villaneuva will be labeled "white latino" sometime this week.
Unrepentant hypocrite Colin Kaepernick defends Fidel Castro And the NFL/ESPN yawned. OR praised him.
More reporting on that Hispaniard guy from Fox News. Football fans across America were clamoring for the jersey of Pittsburgh Steelers offensive tackle Alejandro Villanueva on Monday, a day after the former Army Ranger broke team orders by being the only player to come out of the locker room for the national anthem. Villanueva, who stood alone while "The Star-Spangled Banner” was being played Sunday in Chicago, currently has the #1 selling jersey on the NFL’s web store, ahead of top players including Tom Brady, Aaron Rodgers and Derek Carr. Steelers head coach Mike Tomlin appeared to take a swipe at the Bronze Star recipient's decision in a post-game press conference. Tomlin told the media that, prior to kickoff Sunday, the Steelers held a team meeting and decided, though not unanimously, to not come out of the locker room for the national anthem. “Like I said, I was looking for 100 percent participation, we were gonna be respectful of our football team,” Tomlin said when asked about Villanueva ignoring the order and coming out for the anthem. Tomlin added the intent was to have his team focus on the game and not President Trump’s comments blasting players who chose to protest during the playing of "The Star-Spangled Banner." “Many of them felt like something needed to be done. I asked those guys to discuss it and whatever they discussed that we have 100 percent participation or we do nothing,” Tomlin said after the game. “They discussed it for an appropriate length of time and they couldn’t come to an understanding, so they chose to remove themselves from it. They were not going to be disrespectful in the anthem so they chose not to participate, but at the same time many of them were not going to accept the words of the president.” Villanueva, who served three tours in Afghanistan, decided to stand his ground instead and placed his hand over his heart while the anthem played. “We’re not politicians. We’re coaches and professional athletes," Tomlin said Sunday. "If those of us or individuals choose to participate in politics in some way I’m going to be supportive of that. But when we come out of locker rooms, we come out of locker rooms to play football games." There appeared to be some confusion in the Steelers locker room after Villanueva came out of the tunnel for the anthem. Offensive tackle Chris Hubbard told Penn Live that the players, by a slim majority, voted in favor of staying off the field instead of standing on the sideline holding hands. "We thought we were all in attention with the same agreement, obviously," linebacker James Harrison told the website. "But, I guess we weren't." Hubbard, however, said everyone in the locker room accepted that Villanueva would be exempt from the team's decision. "Al was cool with it, with whatever we went through. He was on board. That's Al, man," Hubbard said. "He's a good guy." If the coach tries to hold the line on staying in the locker room, he can't be certain that others might not join the Spaniard since the vote was only by a narrow majority. Notice that the news coverage focusing on the rookie Steeler, J. J. Watt, who raised $30 million for hurricane relief has now entirely disappeared. He was one of those staying in the locker room.
Wonder what would be going on at the stadium if my old Irish head bashing Knights of Columbus uncles were still around. Would not put it passed them to get on the field and 'assist' players to the standing position.
JJ is on the Houston Texans. AFAIK all the Texans stood for the anthem. They played the Patriots this week.
Turns out that the Steelers were not in the locker room as their coach reported. Most (or all) of them ended up hiding in the tunnel about 30' behind the Spaniard. This will make it much harder for his coach to do anything to him (this time) since the rest of the team didn't stay in the lockerroom either.
The Steeler organization is playing with fire. Steeler fans are rust belt working class whites who swill Miller High Life. That means they are Trump supporters and the type who put him over the hedge in PA. They know they cannot play this game for long.
You're right, my bad. I could have swore I read that somewhere though. It is surprising just how bad some of the reporting is, like the lies peddled by ABC about the Steelers now that we are finally learning the truth about the tunnel thing and all the rest. Apparently, they just report things that they make up and decide later whether to issue any corrections or not. Another camera angle on the Spaniard, you can barely see a few team members back in the shadows in the tunnel. Seems to provide more proof that they were in the tunnel and not in the locker room.
Alas the spirit of fake news and the letter of the false narrative. The MSM has been complicit in such for quite a few decades. It took the Orange man to expose them for who they are and we should at least thank him for such. But he had to get in the same fecal strewn mud pit in order to expose them. Of course the fine deplorables here on LF have exposed the fecal false narratives for some time. Just wanted to get that in of course to give credit where due. :)
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#45. To: redleghunter (#27)
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Not to mention Brady with 40 seconds left wins the game...again. :-)
#46. To: hondo68 (#39)
#47. To: Tooconservative (#43)
I had to look him up, had never heard of him even if he is syndicated on 100 stations.
#48. To: Tooconservative (#45)
Did any Patriots kneel?
FOXBORO — Devin McCourty knew it was going to be unpopular to some, but the Patriots defensive captain felt it was necessary.
#49. To: Tooconservative, redleghunter (#45)
NASCAR owners say they wouldn’t tolerate national anthem protests at races
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09/24/17 04:03 PM EDT
#50. To: Tooconservative (#44)
Jones was on fire in his clip.
#51. To: GrandIsland (#50)
All eyes on tomorrow nights game. If no Cowboys disrespect our anthem, then Dallas will be the only team I watch this year.
#52. To: nolu chan (#49)
#53. To: redleghunter (#52)
Houston Texans apparently all stood.
#54. To: GrandIsland (#50)
All eyes on tomorrow nights game. If no Cowboys disrespect our anthem, then Dallas will be the only team I watch this year.
#55. To: All (#52)
Jerry Jones told Cowboys players if they kneel they don't play.
#56. To: redleghunter, nolu chan (#32)
US Army Ranger only one to come out for anthem.
The Pittsburgh Steelers' coach Mike Tomlin decided to skip the anthem altogether today.
#57. To: Tooconservative (#56)
#58. To: redleghunter (#57)
#59. To: Tooconservative, redleghunter (#58)
They seem to hate Villaneuve almost as much as they used to hate Tebow.
Gov. Mike Huckabee?Verified account @GovMikeHuckabee 16h16 hours ago
#60. To: redleghunter, Tooconservative (#57)
#61. To: All (#60)
3 Dead, at Least 36 Wounded in Chicago Shooting
#62. To: Tooconservative (#8)
#63. To: Tooconservative (#58)
I'm wondering if Villaneuve will be fined by his team or face repercussions. Would they dare?
#64. To: A K A Stone (#63)
My brother is a huge Pittsburgh fan since he was a kid. He doesn't care much for Tomlin. I'm wondering what he thinks of the Steelers now.
#65. To: nolu chan (#61)
Sunday:
#66. To: nolu chan (#36)
If the players can disrespect the flag, the national anthem, or the country on the field, in uniform, while they represent the team and the league, it is because they are being permitted to do so by the NFL
#67. To: All, redleghunter, nolu chan, A K A Stone, buckeroo (#58)
Alejandro Villanueva, the lone football player on the Pittsburgh Steelers who stood during the national anthem Sunday while the rest of his team remained in the locker room, has become more popular than ever as sales of his jersey have skyrocketed.
#68. To: nolu chan (#36)
What it is not, is a matter of constitutionally protected free speech. The First Amendment protects against governmental interference with free speech.
#69. To: Tooconservative (#67)
Additionally, Villanueva’s jersey sales rocketed into the top sellers in the entire league as of 7:45 PM EST behind only Marshawn Lynch, Derek Carr, Carson Wentz, Brown, and Aaron Rodgers, 247 Sports reported.
#70. To: Tooconservative, tomder55, Liberator, Nolu Chan (#67)
#71. To: redleghunter (#69)
Retired Sergeant Major across the street good buddy and neighbor is a huge Steelers fan. He's mighty pissed. I'm sure when he gets back from Idaho bear hunting (he did get a medium sized black bear last week) he will be sporting Villanueva's jersey in his garage workshop.
#72. To: Tooconservative (#71)
In this sense, I expect they will try to silence or expel Villaneuva.
#73. To: redleghunter (#70)
Unrepentant hypocrite Colin Kaepernick defends Fidel Castro
#74. To: redleghunter (#72)
I'm sure he will be labeled "white latino" sometime this week.
#75. To: nolu chan, redleghunter, tooconsevative, GrandIsland, Stoner (#24)
#76. To: Tooconservative, redleghunter (#74)
Perhaps you know already but he is not a Latino of any flavor.
#77. To: redleghunter (#70)
My cousin reminded me of this article from last year:
#78. To: Liberator, redleghunter, nolu chan (#76)
I looked at the NFL store and his jersey is the first listed but I don't know how to quantify how many have been sold or that he is actually #1 there. Price is $99.
#79. To: Liberator (#75)
The NFL *also* is run by its own sub-"Shadow Governance" -- a division of Global Shadow Gubmint Inc. They knowingly used Kaep to catapult the propaganda and their agenda.
#80. To: Tooconservative (#78)
J. J. Watt, who raised $30 million for hurricane relief
#81. To: All, Liberator, redleghunter, nolu chan (#78)
#82. To: TooConservative, Liberator (#81)
This will make it much harder for his coach to do anything to him (this time) since the rest of the team didn't stay in the lockerroom either.
#83. To: All (#78)
Notice that the news coverage focusing on the rookie Steeler, J. J. Watt, who raised $30 million for hurricane relief has now entirely disappeared. He was one of those staying in the locker room.
#84. To: Tooconservative (#83)
Apparently, they just report things that they make up and decide later whether to issue any corrections or not.
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