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Title: Jaguars, Ravens players kneel [overseas] during anthem amid Trump's criticism
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The Hill
URL Source: http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-brief ... l-during-anthem-in-response-to
Published: Sep 24, 2017
Author: Brandon Carter
Post Date: 2017-09-24 12:43:38 by Tooconservative
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Multiple Baltimore Ravens and Jacksonville Jaguars players knelt on Sunday during the playing of the national anthem at the first NFL game since President Trump called for players who take a knee to be fired. Video and photos posted to Twitter shows players kneeling and locking arms as the anthem played. Jacksonville Jaguars owner Shad Khan joined his players on the field and linked arms with them before the game began. Trump has faced backlash in recent days from after calling on NFL owners to fire players who kneel during the national anthem. "Wouldn't you love to see one of these NFL owners, when somebody disrespects our flag, to say, 'Get that son of a b---- off the field right now,'" Trump said at a rally in Alabama on Friday. "'He is fired.'" Trump’s comments brought rebukes against Trump from multiple NFL players, the head of the NFL players’ union and NFL Commissioner Roger Goodell, who called Trump’s comments “divisive” and said they showed a “lack of respect for the NFL.” Several NFL executives have also spoken out against Trump and reaffirmed their players’ rights to peacefully protest. But Trump on Sunday doubled down on his comments, calling for players to be fired or suspended for not standing during the national anthem and hitting the NFL for not telling players to stand. — Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) September 24, 2017 — Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) September 24, 2017 Poster Comment: Notice that "Shad Khan" (what a cute nickname), the Jaguars owner is a Paki immigrant and Sunni Muslim who joined his team in publicly disrespecting our country. Notice that they traveled overseas to disrespect our flag and anthem. But both teams stood for the British anthem! Another NFL story about kneeling: Ravens and Jaguars players kneeling during National Anthem in England pic.twitter.com/GhthyfIEe3— Justin Fenton (@justin_fenton) September 24, 2017 Many players from both teams kneeling during anthem in London, arms linked.— Neil Best (@sportswatch) September 24, 2017 Multiple players on both the Baltimore Ravens and Jacksonville Jaguars took a knee during the national anthem in the first NFL game today pic.twitter.com/lSz7IcwhBm— BuzzFeed News (@BuzzFeedNews) September 24, 2017 
A multitude of #Ravens and #Jaguars players kneeling during the National Anthem this morning, the rest of the team locking arms in unison pic.twitter.com/c97tPS9PxC— Ashlyn Sullivan (@ashlynrsullivan) September 24, 2017 
Jaguars’ owner Shad Khan: pic.twitter.com/aMO8cHDWYb— Adam Schefter (@AdamSchefter) September 24, 2017 
If NFL fans refuse to go to games until players stop disrespecting our Flag & Country, you will see change take place fast. Fire or suspend! ...NFL attendance and ratings are WAY DOWN. Boring games yes, but many stay away because they love our country. League should back U.S.
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#12. To: Tooconservative (#0)
Trump should just ignore the matter completely. It's purely a private NFL matter.
Actually, it has already spread to major league baseball, and internationally, and the actions are not happening in private. What it is not, is a matter of constitutionally protected free speech. The First Amendment protects against governmental interference with free speech. If the players can disrespect the flag, the national anthem, or the country on the field, in uniform, while they represent the team and the league, it is because they are being permitted to do so by the NFL and their team.
Well, it is constitutionally protected from criminal action which means Trump has zero legal authority to do anything about it. My meaning with "private" was that the government has no say or grounds for complaint in the matter, and that it was solely in the purview of the NFL to deal with however they see fit. True, as stadiums qualify as public venues and the events are widely broadcast it is not private it that sense. As it is not a federal matter, Trump should declare it as such, and his condemnation of the protest should be billed as his personal opinion, though underscoring that is not Trump's way. From another angle, Trump's condemnation of the protests have actually served to reward the protesters with the very attention they want. That may have actually fanned the flames, so to speak, and encouraged other athletes to protest as well. Pro athletes may well have modest loyalty to country, but likely a stronger loyalty to their teammates, and compatriots in other pro sports.
What on earth does it have to do with Federal criminal law???? There is no CRIMINAL violation here by any party. The President has every right to stand up and speak up. http://law.justia.com/codes/us/2015/title-4/chapter-1/sec.-9/ §9. Conduct during hoisting, lowering or passing of flag During the ceremony of hoisting or lowering the flag or when the flag is passing in a parade or in review, all persons present in uniform should render the military salute. Members of the Armed Forces and veterans who are present but not in uniform may render the military salute. All other persons present should face the flag and stand at attention with their right hand over the heart, or if applicable, remove their headdress with their right hand and hold it at the left shoulder, the hand being over the heart. Citizens of other countries present should stand at attention. All such conduct toward the flag in a moving column should be rendered at the moment the flag passes. (Added Pub. L. 105–225, §2(a), Aug. 12, 1998, 112 Stat. 1498; Pub. L. 110–181, div. A, title V, §594, Jan. 28, 2008, 122 Stat. 138.) The government does have a say when, on national television, a corporate entity is permitting or encouraging the planned, deliberate, organized violation of a Federal statute, to the offense of the people, and in disrespect of the flag and the country. When, with league approval, the players and coaches disrespect the flag and the country, it is offensive. Screw stadiums. It is on FCC regulated BROADCAST television. It is a Federal matter. 4 U.S.C. § 9. It is the nation, the national flag, and the national anthem that is being disrespected. Opinions do vary. Trump has definitely shined the brightest light possible upon the kneeling cockroaches. He has presented the people with a simple choice between Team BLM, supported by Team Goodell and the NFL football monopoly, and Team USA. This cost of the NFL caving to Team BLM will have the same devasting cost as it did to the University of Missouri. Attendance goes down, tv ratings go down, and revenue goes down. When it goes down enough, the owners will no longer support the players costing them a fortune. As for owners joining with Team BLM yesterday, these are the same owners who will not hire Colin Kaepernick. They are in their current predicament because the NFL failed to act last year when Kaepernick insulted the nation every week. Pro athletes may well have modest loyalty to country, but likely a stronger loyalty to their teammates, and compatriots in other pro sports. It is not all pro athletes. There are thugs and jackasses in the NFL, just as there are outside the NFL, who support BLM bullshit agitation. The NFL can do something about their thug BLM infection, or they can pay the same price as the University of Missouri. http://m.washingtontimes.com/news/2017/sep/25/university-missouri-enrollment-hits-new-low/ By Bradford Richardson - The Washington Times Enrollment at the University of Missouri continues to crater in the wake of the November 2015 race protests, with this year’s incoming class down 33 percent from the one two years ago. [...]
Trump has definitely shined the brightest light possible upon the kneeling cockroaches. He has presented the people with a simple choice between Team BLM, supported by Team Goodell and the NFL football monopoly, and Team USA. This cost of the NFL caving to Team BLM will have the same devasting cost as it did to the University of Missouri. Interesting observations... It seems THE self-annointed arbiters of "Free Speech" (or notion that Abortion is considered "Choice" instead of Baby-Murder) are now the Globalist MSM, leftist Academe, and Anarchists. Truth is now relative to whether one is conservative OR liberal-Left. Libertarians remains as confused and supporting ANYTHING -- "just as long as no one dies. (Directly.) The argument that Trump should keep his mouth shut is akin to keeping quiet as your friendly neighborhood vandals and arsonists do their thang. This issue is NOT about 1A issues (as has the MSM-Propaganda etal tried to spin. They were conspicuously mute as 0bama was far more incendiary and divisive.) The GOOD news as you note is Trump exposing the infestation and TRUE under-belly of contempt and investment by the various elitist entities for an America-divided and mired in permanent anarchy. From where I stand, watch and listen, the NFL (like most American institutions that are slowly being co-oped), is fully prepared to take the financial bullet here. As I've recently suggested, in exchange for their nod and a wink, the NWO Globalist Cabal of Monied Occultists are underwriting any revenue losses by the owners. NONE of what's happened has taken any owners by surprise. ALL of it has their blessing. Colleges and Universities (like Missou) initially took financial bullets, but behind the scene money is presumably aggressively exchanging hands, taking much of the assumed financial sting out of the equation. It is very possible that (like DC politicians), NFL OWNERS THEMSELVES have also been made "offers" they "can't refuse." It makes NO sense that they would support this nonsense that will obviously alienate their fan base. UNLESS they've been reassured that THEY WILL BE COMPENSATED. As I've also suggested recently, the #1 Enemy of Globalist-Elites is American sovereignty and independence. The #1 foe standing in the way of a One World Government (as framed by the propaganda arm of the Globalist Occultists Inc) are White people. Christian White people. Especially, ARMED STRAIGHT CHRISTIAN WHITE PEOPLE. And Patriots of ALL stripes. This is why it is crucial that Christians especially be divided and isolated by tribe, race, age, politics, gender, and every demo possible.
Nah. They punted last year in fear of angering the supporters of Kaepernick. They unloaded him in the off-season. Problem not over or solved. Now they have dozens of Kaepernicks, and a bigger problem. They are not prepared to just bite the bullet. If the crap continues, it could not only threaten revenue, but in some areas, it could put teams out of business. If the NFL is moved out of large areas (e.g. NASCAR territory), it would open things up to start a seperate, competing league. The NFL can face a very real anti-trust problem if the government wants to give them one. Just because teams within the league compete against each other in football games, does not mean that it does not act as a single entity in marketing. I am not going to take a deep dive into American Needle and about ten years of litigation, but the conduct at issue was the licensing by the league to Reebok of the sole right to manufacture NFL apparel. I only wish to point out that there is an apparent weak spot where Trump could harpoon them like a whale. Anti-trust litigation would be no fun. Recall the government broke up Standard Oil and Ma Bell. If motivated, they might find a way to break up the NFL. In American Needle, Inc. v. National Football League et al., 560 US 183, 202-03, (24 May 2010), the Opinion of the Court stated, Football teams that need to cooperate are not trapped by antitrust law. “[T]he special characteristics of this industry may provide a justification” for many kinds of agreements. Brown, 518 U. S., at 252 (Stevens, J., dissenting). The fact that NFL teams share an interest in making the entire league successful and profitable, and that they must cooperate in the production and scheduling of games, provides a perfectly sensible justification for making a host of collective decisions. But the conduct at issue in this case is still concerted activity under the Sherman Act that is subject to § 1 analysis. That kicked it back to the trial court. In 2014, the District Court for the Northern District of Illinois Memorandum Opinion and Order stated, The second prong of defendants’ causation argument is that American Needle waived its claims in a document it signed in the bid process for the exclusive license. The language cited by defendants is a representation by American Needle that defendants had no obligation to grant it a license and that their decision not to award a license did not give rise to any rights in American Needle’s favor. This language falls far short of a waiver of the rights American Needle asserts here, which are derived not from the bidding process or any contractual arrangement with defendants, but from the Sherman Act. The language highlighted by defendants does not waive or disclaim those rights, and does not provide a basis for a grant of summary judgment in defendants’ favor. Defendants’ motion for summary judgment on causation grounds is accordingly denied. So, with the Court finding application of the Sherman anti-trust act, what happened? Well, the NFL settled with American Needle. I think it a fair conjecture they they paid handsomely to bury it. Likely, they would prefer to keep all talk of the Sherman Act buried.
They unloaded him in the off-season. Problem not over or solved. Now they have dozens of Kaepernicks, and a bigger problem. Kaepernick is REALLY a bad QB. No passer's touch; no football instincts; no preparation. no leadership qualities. And NOT dedicated to the job of football. That's not punting. That's reality. He stinks by every known QB metric. If the crap continues, it could not only threaten revenue, but in some areas, it could put teams out of business. If the NFL is moved out of large areas (e.g. NASCAR territory), it would open things up to start a seperate, competing league. It's not so convincing an argument when NFL owners start sanctioning the FU gesture by allowing their ENTIRE team to dishonor its fans and eschewing the National Anthem. The NFL can face a very real anti-trust problem if the government wants to give them one. Just because teams within the league compete against each other in football games, does not mean that it does not act as a single entity in marketing. Can and could isn't quite the same as "should"; The NFL has in reality been in violation of anti-trust laws and a monopoly. That the gubmint has decided not the prosecute is no surprise -- gubmint itself is a criminal enterprise (but that's another story.) I only wish to point out that there is an apparent weak spot where Trump could harpoon them like a whale. Anti-trust litigation would be no fun. Recall the government broke up Standard Oil and Ma Bell. If motivated, they might find a way to break up the NFL. The year 1982 may as well have been 150 years ago. Whole different world today... With Trump now presiding as a toof-less paper "President" and Congress and Judiciary acting with no less regard or respect for his authority, they answer only to the Globalist Elites. Ergo, any proposed litigation against an NFL on ANY legal grounds wouldn't get more than an inch off the ground with layers of NWO-owned judicial obstruction between Trump and Constitutional Law. We've already see this dance played out on far more serious issues -- like National Security. As the season wears on, we shall soon see just how much (or little) NFL owners fear public opinion from their millionaire employee FUs.
Kaepernick was clearly as good as some of the backups hanging around. He was clearly not good enough to opt out of his contract and expect the world to compete to have him as a starter. He is not out of a job because he is worse than all the backups, and maybe a few starters. He was able to QB the Niners to the Super Bowl. It's not so convincing an argument when NFL owners start sanctioning the FU gesture by allowing their ENTIRE team to dishonor its fans and eschewing the National Anthem. What team would that be? Research your answer before responding. I remember the days when the league blacked out games on local television if the stadium was not sold out 24 hours before gametime. Nowadays, half the games due not sell to capacity. Sunday, they even failed to sell out the Patriots at home against the Texans. Having the whole team tell the fans to go fuck themselves is usually bad for business. How about an NFL game with 25,386 in attendance? Will that pay the salaries? Can and could isn't quite the same as "should"; The NFL has in reality been in violation of anti-trust laws and a monopoly. Could or should makes no difference. If they are in violation of anti-trust laws, and are a monoply, they have a weak spot to target. When The Donald tried to buy an NFL team, they very publicly shunned him. He was not acceptable for inclusion in their club (but that's another story.) As long as they have a good supply of K-Y, it should not get too painful. The year 1982 may as well have been 150 years ago. Whole different world today... I guess you missed that the Supreme Court opinion was from 2010, the trial court Memorandum and Order was from 2014, and the settlement to get out from under came in 2015. What happened is called losing. In 2015. That might as well have been yesterday. If Standard Oil and Ma Bell could not defeat the government, the NFL with a catastrophic public image will not do it. How did your invisible, imaginary friends allow a toofless Trump to get elected? As the season wears on, we shall soon see just how much (or little) NFL owners fear public opinion from their millionaire employee FUs. I have not already seen a bunch of BLM idiots disrespect the country and the viewers, and specifically the military and law enforcement. As the erosion of attendance, viewers, revenue, and interest continues, we will see the NFL owners fear the lack of public interest in the bullshit the NFL is trying to sell. The NFL is losing like the shitheads as the University of Missouri. You remember, "Hey, I need some muscle over here!" Those idiots forgot where their money comes from. Those idiots caved to jackasses protesting over Hands Up, Don't Shoot! That was the imaginary case of oppression of Mike Brown, the Gentle Giant, who was running away, with his hands up, shouting "Don't shoot!" The whole football team threatened to not play if the university president wasn't fired. He resigned. Loss of football revenue was just too much to bear. They have closed seven (7) dorms since caving in to jackass protesters. Freshman enrollment dropped 24%. Let NFL attendance and viewership drop 24% and see what NFL owners have to say. Oh, never mind. The owners have to wait for the Globalist-Elites and the New World Order, and the Illuminati to give them their marching orders. If the Invisible Hand orders them to throw away all their money and walk off a cliff, they will do it. What I still don't understand is why the New World Order ordered the people to vote Trump into office instead of Hillary, or why they ordered Hillary not to campaign in some midwest states.
I have already addressed your question in a prior post. NOT surprised it wasn't read. Oh well. (Something about overplaying their hand, sloppy/incompetent Election Day fraud machinations.) Let me ask YOU question: Do YOU believe the President possesses Executive Powers that he'll be allowed (YES, "ALLOWED" ) to exercise? Then why are pipsqueak judges AND GOP "leadership" obstructing Constitutional Law, the man AND his agenda on EVERY MAGA promise? Why are all the President's men being hounded out of Trump's circle of advisers and replaced by Globalist/Establishment puppets? Aka, Kelly, Mattis, Tillerson, etal. (Think before responding.) I have not already seen a bunch of BLM idiots disrespect the country and the viewers, and specifically the military and law enforcement. You mean to tell me you haven't noticed the rapid increase in BLM/black players NOT standing, or making spectacles of their arm-holding, kneeling, and popping off? "It's dead, Jim." (Repeat after me.) As the erosion of attendance, viewers, revenue, and interest continues, we will see the NFL owners fear the lack of public interest in the bullshit the NFL is trying to sell. NFL ownership is either coerced OR onboard the Globalist Agenda. I realize you strongly believe the NFL owners ARE worried about their now purely political product and losing their business to the Globalist Mob. Some are. But they have no choice in the matter, just as Trump has no choice in whether is MAGA agenda is ever happening. The Globalist Cartel has spoken loudly on BOTH the NFL agenda as well as agenda for America. (All of what is happening is NOT, I repeat NOT a coincidence. Toss ALL your former instinct, rationale and logic out the window. They no longer apply. Life has not nor WILL not ever be the same again. Yes, I know this sounds overly hysterical to you, but our eyes, ears, and math hadalready reinforced this notion once 0bama became NWO Puppet-in-Chief, reinforced to the nth degree during President toof-less Presidency. Those idiots [at Missou] caved to jackasses protesting over Hands Up, Don't Shoot! That was the imaginary case of oppression of Mike Brown, the Gentle Giant, who was running away, with his hands up, shouting "Don't shoot!" The whole football team threatened to not play if the university president wasn't fired. He resigned. Loss of football revenue was just too much to bear. They have closed seven (7) dorms since caving in to jackass protesters. Freshman enrollment dropped 24%. Let NFL attendance and viewership drop 24% and see what NFL owners have to say. Firstly, Missou took a revenue bullet -- same as the NFL. And BOTH WILL BE CONPENSATED/SUBSIDIZED for their "heroic stands" in support of "Justice for all!" Ok...what script WILL NFL owners follow when revenue crashes by 24%? I can certainly speculate. What would YOU project NFL owneship/Goodell saying to a public that's already watch the mask torn off and heart broken? "I'm sorry! It'll never happen again!! We were wrong!!" Hmmm.....naaaah. Not gonna happen. BUT...I will predict THREE words: "FOR THE CHILDREN." I predict they will parade handicapped kids into stadiums. And create, "Childrens' Day" all across the NFL. (The nuke of ALL emotional weapons!!) As the erosion of attendance, viewers, revenue, and interest continues, we will see the NFL owners fear the lack of public interest in the bullshit the NFL is trying to sell. Oh, never mind. The owners have to wait for the Globalist-Elites and the New World Order, and the Illuminati to give them their marching orders. If the Invisible Hand orders them to throw away all their money and walk off a cliff, they will do it. Yes, exactly. But you're conveniently forgetting the rest of the equation: NFL Owners are being made "offers they can't refuse" for their use of "America's Game" to be used as a sledgehammer for "Hope & Change." I know...it's heartbreaking to know that the NFL is co-opted, the Oval Office co-opted, Congress co-opted, SCOTUS co-opted, and USCON *is* a G-D Piece of paper. Oh. And the Republic dead. Without any official acknowledgement from FNC or CNN or Congress. But is what it is. A modified charade. What I still don't understand is why the New World Order ordered the people to vote Trump into office instead of Hillary, or why they ordered Hillary not to campaign in some midwest states. (Answered partially above.) Hitlery -- IF you recall -- was basically a walking corpse. Collapsing on stage is NOT usually a great optic.
NO. He is the head of the Executive Branch. Your imaginary friends do not "allow" the President to do anything. And why do you keep beating your dog? The travel ban is in effect, isn't it? The reason for ridiculous court opinions is that the judicial branch is comprised entirely of political appointees.
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#36. To: Pinguinite, Tooconservative (#12)
It's purely a private NFL matter.
#68. To: nolu chan (#36)
What it is not, is a matter of constitutionally protected free speech. The First Amendment protects against governmental interference with free speech.
#88. To: Pinguinite (#68)
Well, it is constitutionally protected from criminal action which means Trump has zero legal authority to do anything about it.
My meaning with "private" was that the government has no say or grounds for complaint in the matter, and that it was solely in the purview of the NFL to deal with however they see fit.
4 U.S.C. § 9 (2015)
True, as stadiums qualify as public venues and the events are widely broadcast it is not private it that sense.
As it is not a federal matter, Trump should declare it as such, and his condemnation of the protest should be billed as his personal opinion, though underscoring that is not Trump's way.
From another angle, Trump's condemnation of the protests have actually served to reward the protesters with the very attention they want. That may have actually fanned the flames, so to speak, and encouraged other athletes to protest as well.
University of Missouri enrollment hits new low
Monday, September 25, 2017
#97. To: nolu chan, Pinguinite, tooconservative, redleghunter, Vicomte13 (#88)
The President has every right to stand up and speak up....
#108. To: Liberator (#97)
From where I stand, watch and listen, the NFL (like most American institutions that are slowly being co-oped), is fully prepared to take the financial bullet here.
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Finally, defendants argue that American Needle cannot show a causal link between the Reebok contract and any damage it suffered. The initial basis for this argument is a series of contentions. Defendants assert that a contract that chose a larger but still fixed number of licensees would have been permissible under the Sherman Act, that American Needle’s bid was not one of the best bids, and that its license rights would not have been renewed even in the absence of the Reebok exclusive arrangement. Defendants do not cite authority for their assertion that a less dramatic restraint, permitting as many as three licensees, would have been presumptively valid under Sherman Act analysis. Nor do defendants contend that American Needle had in any way been in breach of its earlier license agreements or that it was otherwise disqualified from continued participation in the prior multiple-licensee approach. On this record, there is sufficient evidence to permit a jury to find that American Needle could have continued as a licensee under the traditional structure, and that its prospects were ended by defendants’ concerted decision to limit the number of their licensees. The possibility that a less onerous restraint would have also ended those prospects does not negate the causal link between the alleged injuries and the restraint actually imposed.
#111. To: nolu chan (#108)
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Nah. They punted last year in fear of angering the supporters of Kaepernick.
#113. To: Liberator (#111)
Kaepernick is REALLY a bad QB. No passer's touch; no football instincts; no preparation. no leadership qualities. And NOT dedicated to the job of football. That's not punting. That's reality. He stinks by every known QB metric.
If the crap continues, it could not only threaten revenue, but in some areas, it could put teams out of business. If the NFL is moved out of large areas (e.g. NASCAR territory), it would open things up to start a seperate, competing league.
The NFL can face a very real anti-trust problem if the government wants to give them one. Just because teams within the league compete against each other in football games, does not mean that it does not act as a single entity in marketing.
That the gubmint has decided not the prosecute is no surprise -- gubmint itself is a criminal enterprise (but that's another story.)
I only wish to point out that there is an apparent weak spot where Trump could harpoon them like a whale. Anti-trust litigation would be no fun. Recall the government broke up Standard Oil and Ma Bell. If motivated, they might find a way to break up the NFL.
With Trump now presiding as a toof-less paper "President" and Congress and Judiciary acting with no less regard or respect for his authority, they answer only to the Globalist Elites. Ergo, any proposed litigation against an NFL on ANY legal grounds wouldn't get more than an inch off the ground with layers of NWO-owned judicial obstruction between Trump and Constitutional Law.
We've already see this dance played out on far more serious issues -- like National Security.
#116. To: nolu chan (#113)
(Edited)
How did your invisible, imaginary friends allow a toofless Trump to get elected?
#119. To: Liberator (#116)
Do YOU believe the President possesses Executive Powers that he'll be allowed (YES, "ALLOWED" ) to exercise?
Then why are pipsqueak judges AND GOP "leadership" obstructing Constitutional Law, the man AND his agenda on EVERY MAGA promise?
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