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Title: Cops Execute Student for Holding a “Tiny” Multi-tool
Source: Free Thought Project
URL Source: http://thefreethoughtproject.com/ga ... ce-execute-student-multi-tool/
Published: Sep 18, 2017
Author: Matt Agorist
Post Date: 2017-09-19 09:37:30 by Deckard
Keywords: None
Views: 229
Comments: 30

Lilburn, GA — Dramatic video was uploaded to Facebook over the weekend showing Georgia Tech police shoot and kill a fourth-year engineering student from Lilburn, Georgia. The victim, identified as 21-year-old Scout Schultz was barefoot and holding a multi-tool at the moment cops opened fire.

According to NBC, at a news conference Monday, Schultz’s family’s attorney said the student was experiencing a “mental breakdown” on the night of the shooting.

“What was Scout doing that day?” said the attorney, L. Chris Stewart. “Standing there disoriented, having a mental breakdown and was shot from 20 feet away.”

According to the Georgia Bureau of Investigation, police were responding to a 911 call when they confronted Shultz in front of the campus parking garage.

In the dramatic video, police are heard screaming at Schultz who is yelling back at police, “Shoot me!”

Screaming at a person with a mental illness is not only futile, it only serves to further confuse, frighten, and provoke said person — especially if that person is in the midst of a breakdown — like Schultz was.

As one officer appeared to show bravery and attempt to de-escalate the situation by calmly engaging Schultz, his voice was overpowered by the other voices demanding Schultz drop the knife.

“Drop the knife!” yell the officers, which only seems to further disturb Schultz.

“What’s your name!” repeatedly screams another officer as if that was going to help the situation.

Another officer yells to drop the knife one more time before Schultz takes a small step forward and is shot. Shultz’s screams were chilling. Shultz would be taken to Grady Memorial Hospital, but would not make it.

Stewart told reporters that Schultz was holding a multi-tool, which contained pliers, a screwdriver, and a “tiny, little knife.” Stewart also noted that the knife was never exposed while police threatened and eventually killed Schultz.

“We don’t understand why Georgia Tech won’t admit that,” Stewart said.

“That’s one of the biggest problems in this country is officer’s actions with the mentally ill,” Stewart said, adding that more training needs to be implemented for police officers.

According to NBC, William Schultz, Scout’s father, called his son “the greatest kid.” When asked what he would say to the officer who shot Scout, William Schultz said: “Why did you have to shoot? That’s the question. That’s the only question that matters now.”

William Schultz added that his child had a 3.9 GPA and planned to graduate in December, according to the report.

“Scout wanted to make new medical devices, and now we’ll never know what Scout might have come up with,” Scout’s mother, Lynne, said. And she’s right, thanks to untrained cops who were unable to think of any other solution to this incident other than deadly force.

Did the officers in the video below show courage and only kill Scout as a last resort? You be the judge.

If your answer to the above question is ‘yes’ after watching the video, perhaps you should consider the videos below.

Recent body cam footage from officers in the United Kingdom was released last year that shows how reluctant their police are to resort to deadly force. The stark contrast in violent escalation between UK cops and US cops highlights the dangerous overzealous nature of American police.

Northamptonshire resident, Lee Vickers proved to be an especially dangerous man last year after he grabbed a large butcher knife and charged after police. Had he been an American citizen, he would have been immediately killed. He presented a very real and deadly threat, and even non-police officers would have been justified in the use of deadly force against him.

However, two brave police officers disarmed him without harming a hair on his head. The level of restraint exhibited by the two officers in the video below sheds light on the sheer tragedy of so many senseless deaths at the hands of police in the US. Unarmed teenagers, men, and women are constantly being gunned down US cops who are trained to kill first and ask questions later.

How many mothers, fathers, sons, and daughters would still have their families if American police acted more like police in the UK?

For the naysayers who think that Vickers’ case is an isolated act of heroism, think again. The lack of deadly force is so common by police in European countries that it’s not only been documented multiple times, but it’s been caught on film multiple times.

It is high time this country looks closely at the way it trains its police force.

 

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#1. To: Deckard (#0)

“Scout wanted to make new medical devices, and now we’ll never know what Scout might have come up with,” Scout’s mother, Lynne, said.

I'm guessing AIDS.

misterwhite  posted on  2017-09-19   9:45:50 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#2. To: misterwhite (#1)

Keep sucking cop cock paulsen.

Fucking asshole!

“Truth is treason in the empire of lies.” - Ron Paul

Those who most loudly denounce Fake News are typically those most aggressively disseminating it.

Deckard  posted on  2017-09-19   10:05:04 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#3. To: Deckard (#2)

Scott/Scout/Scooter had a history of mental illness and tried to commit suicide by hanging before. This time he/she/it was determined to do suicide by cop, and left behind three suicide notes. He/she/it got what he wanted.

He/she/it looks a little like Cousin Itt, no?

misterwhite  posted on  2017-09-19   10:29:41 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#4. To: misterwhite (#1)

I'm guessing AIDS.

Rather unkind and statistically unlikely as well.

Information from the World Health Organization states that schizophrenia affects about 24 million people across the world, with a wordwide prevalence of about .7%.

It’s important to note that prevalence of a disease is different than incidence of the disease. A prevalence of .7% - 1.1% does not reflect how many people are diagnosed with schizophrenia each year. Rather, prevalence refers to the number of people who have schizophrenia at a given time, indicating how widespread the disease is. Incidence, on the other hand, refers to the number of people who are newly diagnosed with schizophrenia during a given time period and indicates the likelihood of being diagnosed with the disease. Because schizophrenia is a chronic disease and people diagnosed with schizophrenia continue to have it throughout their life, prevalence is quite a bit higher than incidence. The World Health Organization estimates that the incidence rate of schizophrenia is about 3 per 10,000 people.

So if we accept the fairly conservative estimate of 3 per 10,000 Americans with schizophrenia which shows up overwhelmingly in young adults, in a country of 350 million people, we can estimate that 105,000 people strongly biased toward college age young people will be schizophrenic at any given time.

Sometimes, we have to consider what the stats really mean, even when applied to such a huge population. The numbers do mean something.

Tooconservative  posted on  2017-09-19   10:33:38 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#5. To: Tooconservative (#4)

"So if we accept the fairly conservative estimate of 3 per 10,000 Americans with schizophrenia which shows up overwhelmingly in young adults"

What are numbers for young gay adults? And why schizophrenia? His father said he suffered from anxiety and depression.

misterwhite  posted on  2017-09-19   10:50:39 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#6. To: misterwhite (#5) (Edited)

What are numbers for young gay adults? And why schizophrenia? His father said he suffered from anxiety and depression.

Come now, anxiety and depression and phallic longings do not result in a man with a tiny knife charging fully armed police officers.

Tooconservative  posted on  2017-09-19   10:58:44 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#7. To: Tooconservative (#6)

Come now, anxiety and depression and phallic longings do not result in a man with a tiny knife charging fully armed police officers.

No, it results in a person (who has attempted suicide before) writing three suicide notes then calling 911 and telling the operator there's a student with a knife and gun threatening others.

Suicide by cop.

misterwhite  posted on  2017-09-19   11:34:10 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#8. To: misterwhite (#7) (Edited)

Well, we can't rule it out. Suicide by cop is a Real Thing.

Tooconservative  posted on  2017-09-19   11:34:41 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#9. To: Tooconservative (#8)

Well, we can't rule it out. Suicide by cop is a Real Thing.

If the police report is true that the guy was telling the cops to shoot him, then it seems it was indeed suicide by cop. Of course that says nothing about the state of his mental health overall, other than he was having a really bad day.

But yes, as the other videos seem to make clear, his suicide by cop would only have worked in the USA. It does seem US cops are trained to shoot when the threat of a knife wielder (to whatever extent this kid qualified as one) is relatively low.

Pinguinite  posted on  2017-09-19   12:18:41 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#10. To: Pinguinite (#9)

It does seem US cops are trained to shoot when the threat of a knife wielder (to whatever extent this kid qualified as one) is relatively low.

They are trained to shoot if a knife attacker is less than ~22' away from them.

Tactically, this can be defended as prudent. But it is too often offered as a defense for shooting people that are not physically competent to carry out an attack. As usual, the least capable police (women and inexperienced or undersized males) are most likely just to shoot (at people or pets) than to get scrappy physically with the perp even at the (minor) risk of a knife injury.

Tooconservative  posted on  2017-09-19   12:30:41 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#11. To: Deckard (#0)

According to NBC, William Schultz, Scout’s father, called his son “the greatest kid.”

No,he was a shithead,just like his idiot father.

His father was on tv,and despite being in his late 50's or older,has shiny black hair in a freaking pony tail,and the physique of the Pillsbury Dough Boy.

Still,if the cops aren't going to use their tazers in situations like that,why the hell do they even carry them?

This wasn't one lone cop facing off with a nutcase in a dark hallway. There were multiple cops all around,and they have plenty of room to move. They could have easily tazed him into submission.

In the entire history of the world,the only nations that had to build walls to keep their own citizens from leaving were those with leftist governments.

sneakypete  posted on  2017-09-19   13:05:14 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#12. To: misterwhite, Pinguinite (#7)

You're not the only one saying it.

HotAir: That shooting at Georgia Tech was suicide by cop

. . .

There’s more to be found at the source. There is video of the moment in question where Schultz is heard shouting, “Shoot me!” at the police. There were three suicide notes left at the dorm. He had, according to his family, attempted suicide on multiple occasions before. And, as noted in the excerpted section above, it was Schultz himself who placed the call to draw the cops to the area, providing a description of himself and saying that “the unidentified male” had not only a knife, but a gun.

This isn’t a question of heavy handed police coming down on activists or anything of the sort. It’s also not a story of racism since Schultz was white. This is a textbook case of suicide by cop carried out by a very disturbed individual with a history of presenting a definite danger to himself if not others. In the video linked above you can hear the police making every effort to talk Schultz out of this and attempting to get him to drop the knife and cooperate. He refused and instead advanced on them. They already had reports (without knowing Schultz was the one who made them at that point) saying there was also a gun. At that point what were they supposed to do? . . .

Tooconservative  posted on  2017-09-19   13:10:20 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#13. To: misterwhite (#7)

No, it results in a person (who has attempted suicide before) writing three suicide notes then calling 911 and telling the operator there's a student with a knife and gun threatening others.

Suicide by cop.

Pretty much,but that doesn't mean the cops have to play along.

Maybe we should just hire smarter cops? Ones that can think,instead of always reacting like mindless automons?

In the entire history of the world,the only nations that had to build walls to keep their own citizens from leaving were those with leftist governments.

sneakypete  posted on  2017-09-19   13:11:48 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#14. To: Tooconservative (#10)

They are trained to shoot if a knife attacker is less than ~22' away from them.

I think you meant "knife wielder", as attacking is not an actual requirement.

Granted it's because a wielder can become an attacker and close that distance before a cop could draw and fire.

Pinguinite  posted on  2017-09-19   13:26:53 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#15. To: Pinguinite, misterwhite (#14)

Granted it's because a wielder can become an attacker and close that distance before a cop could draw and fire.

They do behave according to their training.

Sometimes we should be looking at their training at least as much as their actions. The actions do come directly from the training after all. If the training is too quick to unleash deadly force, we can't be surprised if cops shoot first when they should be more prepared to mix it up physically with a perp who has run amok.

I'm not finding any great fault with the cops on this one so far.

Tooconservative  posted on  2017-09-19   13:32:57 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#16. To: Tooconservative (#12)

In the video linked above you can hear the police making every effort to talk Schultz out of this and attempting to get him to drop the knife and cooperate.

Based on the video I would not say "making every effort" is an accurate description. What I heard is the police simply demanding he drop it in a very commanding manner. That's not deescalation, but escalation of the situation by reenforcing existing hostility. The cops could be excused for not knowing they were dealing with a mental case that was using them like a tool, but.... it seems they have no clue or interest in how to deescalate situations.

And they don't have tasers either.

Pinguinite  posted on  2017-09-19   13:35:54 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#17. To: Tooconservative (#15)

If the training is too quick to unleash deadly force, we can't be surprised if cops shoot first when they should be more prepared to mix it up physically with a perp who has run amok.

There's no surprise at all. We know that's how cops are trained. Well some people know. The one's that don't are the ones like the kid in the park playing cops and robbers with real cops. Or the guy getting out of his car with his wallet in hand at an accident scene. It's why everyone should be taught in school about how dangerous police are.

I'm not finding any great fault with the cops on this one so far.

Well, they could have used tasers. If there's a good reason for that and guns were the only option, fine. They did what they were trained to do, and exactly what the kid was expecting them to do and wanted them to do. One could argue the kid actually outsmarted the cops.

Pinguinite  posted on  2017-09-19   13:46:10 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#18. To: Pinguinite, misterwhite (#16)

Much as I hate to say it but we do not have the right to expect absolutely perfect policing in all circumstances.

For every mental case that gets shot and makes the news (or even just a clickbait piece at FreeThoughtProject), there are dozens of other nutjobs that are taken into custody by police without harm.

We need to have some sense of proportionality and fairness to police. The real world gets complicated quickly when realtime events start to play out in front of police trying to deal with a situation.

I would be much less lenient if this guy hadn't called in a 911 call on himself as armed with a knife and gun at Virginia Tech, of all places. VT has had a number of these mass killings incidents over the past 10 years and that is in the backs of cops' minds when they respond to a 911 call there.

Ask yourself how you would respond if you were a cop responding to such a call at the VT campus.

Tooconservative  posted on  2017-09-19   13:48:45 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#19. To: Pinguinite (#17)

Well, they could have used tasers.

They saw a knife but they had responded to the guy's own 911 call that said he had a gun as well.

To me, that is decisive in favor of the cops, no matter how much boohooing we get from the perp's family about how harmless he was and how much he loved flowers and puppies.

Tooconservative  posted on  2017-09-19   13:50:15 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#20. To: Tooconservative (#19)

Well, they could have used tasers.

They saw a knife but they had responded to the guy's own 911 call that said he had a gun as well.

Without a doubt, the rules for taser deployment are much more easily met than are rules for opening fire with lethal firearms. If they weren't then it would be pointless for cops to carry tasers. In this case, cops woulda/shoulda/coulda have deployed a taser much sooner with no more than a single order for him to drop the knife.

Pinguinite  posted on  2017-09-19   14:18:43 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#21. To: Pinguinite (#20) (Edited)

On any given day, you can find more questionable uses of deadly force than in this one, considering where it occurred and the history of deadly massacres on the campus and the perp himself calling cops to say he had a knife and a gun.

If the cops would have pulled out a taser, the perp might have just as quickly pulled out a gun and shot one or more of them or a bystander. And if that happened, people would be criticizing them as fraidy-cops, unwilling/unable to use deadly force when needed to protect the public.

We should avoid constructing these no-win morality plays starring the cops.

I'll repeat: there is no perfect policing. Not even in a police state.

Tooconservative  posted on  2017-09-19   14:22:19 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#22. To: Tooconservative (#15) (Edited)

They do behave according to their training.

I'm thinking we need some citizen training. They're the ones screwing up.

misterwhite  posted on  2017-09-19   14:32:03 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#23. To: misterwhite (#22)

I'm thinking we need some citizen training. They're the ones screwing up.

AGREED!

I suggest classes in school teaching kids how cops are trained to kill when they are in fear for their lives, and how to behave around cops.

So glad you decided to come on board on this.

Pinguinite  posted on  2017-09-19   14:50:14 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#24. To: Tooconservative (#21)

If the cops would have pulled out a taser, the perp might have just as quickly pulled out a gun and shot one or more of them or a bystander.

There were at least 2 cops on the scene. Only one needs a taser. The other(s) could keep lethal force trained on the kid. But I do agree there are many more cases that are more questionable than this one. And it's certainly no unprecedented that cops will shoot a suicidal guy after voluntarily approaching him. This one was different.

Pinguinite  posted on  2017-09-19   14:53:59 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#25. To: misterwhite (#22)

I'm thinking we need some citizen training. They're the ones screwing up.

You can't really train people who dox themselves with a 911 call that some guy (themselves) has a knife and gun and then charge the police in a suicide-by-cop scenario.

So I think your solution won't fit this case. You've read too many FTP threads by Decker. LOL

About all you can say is we need more burly physically capable cops who can disarm a suspect with a knife or incapacitate him with a taser or a net device or some such. Otherwise, these cases are always likely to turn out this way. Whether the constant carping critics (like you) of these brave cops likes it or not.

Tooconservative  posted on  2017-09-19   15:35:28 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#26. To: Pinguinite, Deckard (#23)

I suggest classes in school teaching kids how cops are trained to kill when they are in fear for their lives, and how to behave around cops.

Yep. Teach them to remember to take their meds. Don't cut off the DayGlo orange tips of guns and point them at people. Don't speed away or run away from cops. Drop weapons when ordered to. Keep your hands in sight. Stop when ordered to.

Following just these points alone would have eliminated 95% of Deckard's posts.

misterwhite  posted on  2017-09-19   15:41:50 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#27. To: Pinguinite (#24)

There were at least 2 cops on the scene. Only one needs a taser.

There is a limit to how much you can rehearse and drill these cops to perform even in the event of a possible (or likely) mass shooter at an unhappy location (Virginia Tech where a shooting 10 years ago left 33 dead and 15 wounded). You can imagine that the local cops in Virginia are very cognizant of that shooting in their training and their determination not to fail so badly again.

And these cops need to know how to enforce a whole lot of other laws as well, not just apprehend a self-doxer rushing them with a knife screaming "Shoot me".

You may argue we should have fewer laws on the books and I might agree broadly. However, there are some very tough challenges to law enforcement under our laws and customs and we can't just wish those away with Happy Thoughts or making some slight reduction in the criminal code.

Public servants can only be expected to enforce so many laws, not some vast and endless number of laws. And their performance on arrests in any particular area is going to vary by their training and their experience (as a cop or as a military veteran).

Tooconservative  posted on  2017-09-19   15:42:04 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#28. To: Tooconservative (#25)

You can't really train people who dox themselves with a 911 call that some guy (themselves) has a knife and gun and then charge the police in a suicide-by-cop scenario.

I was referring to training people who want to live through a police encounter. Plenty of ways to die.

"About all you can say is we need more burly physically capable cops who can disarm a suspect with a knife or incapacitate him with a taser or a net device or some such."

A suspect with a knife -- you've got the 21-foot rule. Which is about the effective range of a taser. If the suspect charges and your backup misses with their fire firearm firearm ... you're screwed.

How about instead we train the police to shoot the weapon out of their hand?

misterwhite  posted on  2017-09-19   15:54:30 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#29. To: misterwhite (#28)

How about instead we train the police to shoot the weapon out of their hand?

That only sounds good for a few seconds until you think about it.

Tooconservative  posted on  2017-09-19   19:58:14 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#30. To: Tooconservative (#29)

That only sounds good for a few seconds until you think about it.

Yeah, I know. So did turning all cops into proficient knife fighters.

misterwhite  posted on  2017-09-19   21:11:01 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


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