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Weird Stuff/Unexplained Title: Catholic Internet poster -God raised a lizard and a mouse from the dead because I said please. Claims God healed his broken neck and spine. Also says Christ does not treat Christians' diabetes or cancer. He let's them bear that cross, die Lets contrast the two different takes that this vic guy takes. On the one hand he claims God will answer his prayer to raise a lizard and a mouse from the dead. But god will not heal a sick christian. This is bizarre. This is very telling about Vic. Here is the first quote taken from libertysflame.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=38701
(1) When I was a boy, I dove off a dock into a shallow, rocky lake alone. I broke my neck and severed by spinal cord, and was completely paralyzed and drowning at the bottom of the like. I asked God "Please", and he healed me and allowed me to rise and walk away. I told no one until decades later. (2) A very dead lizard was raised from the dead in my hand by God, when I asked him "Please". (3) A dead mouse was raised from the dead in my hand by God, when I asked him "Please". There, those are three true miracles, things that snap the laws of physics in half and that have no explanation. In all three cases a direct personal prayer to God consisting of one word persuaded God to grant the miracle. In all three cases I was alone: these were private theophanies and miracles, not public things. They revealed God to ME; they have no power to reveal him to anybody ELSE, because nobody would ever believe me if these were necessary to prove God to THEM. And in none of the cases did they PROVE God to me - I already knew God was. They were gifts, charisms, nothing more. They weren't FOR any of you, and they aren't for you to argue with me about. Now here is his contradictory claim found right here libertysflame.com/cgi-bin...? ArtNum=52686&Disp=14#C14 Christ does not treat Chrsitans' diabetes or cancer. He let's them bear that cross, die, and come to him. Similarly for starvation. Christ lets hundreds of millions of Christans starve to death. They bear their cross to the end and have their reward in the next life. Christ never promised health and happiness in this life - in fact, he promised that those things won't be found here. So you're right - I have absolutely no belief at all that Christ will reach down from heaven and protect Christians from any diseases, or marauding enemies, or starvation, or natural disaster - because he DOESN'T protect us from any of things, and never said he would. Our reward for staying true to him is found on the other side, in the afterlife, not HERE. If you have diabetes here, praying to Christ will keep you faithful to him to the end and win you the afterlife, but you're still going to lose your foot in THIS life, because Christ isn't going to lift a finger to protect you from the natural law, or from the marauding of other men. You have to help yourself in this life - Christ holds out the promise of happiness in the afterlife if, in the process of helping yourself in this one you don't do great evil, and you remember him and try to do what he said. That's the deal. That Christ substitutes for human government in this life is impiety. It is ignoring what he really said, and adding nonsense to it that he never said. Christ will not govern your country. He won't save you from malaria, or hurricanes, or earthquakes, or Nazis. He will have compassion on you, and receive your soul when they kill you, but he won't stop them from killing you, he won't drive off your diseases if you drink contaminated water, and he won't make hurricane Irma spare your life. He might on a one-off basis, but Christians at large get no pass, at all, from natural law. Christ's deal is not about here. Wow can anyone think of any possible way that Vic can reconcile these two mutually exclusive beliefs? I sure can't and I think he is nuts if he thinks he raised a lizard from the dead. Double nuts if he raised a mouse also. Post Comment Private Reply Ignore Thread Top • Page Up • Full Thread • Page Down • Bottom/Latest Begin Trace Mode for Comment # 73. Christ's deal is not about here. No, Christ's deal is if you buy a story from con men that obedience to them and suffering in this life will get you rewarded by a pleasant life after you're dead granted by a hypothetical being nobody has ever seen. To hell with that shit.
#36. To: rlk (#20) (Edited) Christ's deal is... Odd. IQ of 160, dedicated scholar of many things, invested mightily of mind and body your entire life and blessed in those regards -- but you don't know WHAT "Christ's Deal" actually is. You (like others here) rage against an entity you believe doesn't exist, yet you believe He cheats us out of Eternal Life. By what merit do you deserve Eternal Life? ALL things die. All life suffers. This world is fallen. (Or have you not heard?) With the last of your mental and physical energies and free will, Robert, you owe it to yourself -- to your eternal self -- to make on final investment: "WHAT IS CHRIST'S DEAL?"
#69. To: Liberator (#36) You (like others here) rage against an entity you believe doesn't exist, yet you believe He cheats us out of Eternal Life. I'm more concerned with what people do to each outher in this life than what fools and con men tell me I'm going to get in the next life. People think life on this tiny planet have a unique relationship with god. There are billions of stars out there with millions of planets whirling around them. What makes you believe god is primarily concerned with matters on earth? There is no evidence for concern at all.
#73. To: rlk (#69) There is no evidence for concern at all. I sincerely hope that you find God. I really do.
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