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Title: Praying repetitive words using Rosary beads is forbidden
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Published: Sep 16, 2017
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Post Date: 2017-09-16 01:09:18 by A K A Stone
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FACT: Catholics pray repetitive words with Rosary Beads that were first invented in 1090 AD, by "Peter the Hermit" and made popular by St. Dominic in 1208 AD. Catholics believe that Mary appeared to St. Dominic in 1208 AD, at the church of Prouille and revealed the Rosary Beads to him. From this time, Catholics prayed 15 sets of 10 consecutive "hail Marys" in a row (150 times), in the Rosary. However, in 2003 AD, Pope John Paul added a new set of Mysteries, so now it is 20 sets of 10 "Hail Marys", (200 times in the Rosary, in total.) Catholics will vainly appeal to Psalm 136 that alternates the same phrase 26 times with 26 different blessings God gives us. It is not 26 in a row as with the rosary! This is also a song, not a prayer. Revelation 4:8 has "angels singing" not "men praying".
Historical note: Roman Catholics borrowed the idea of praying with beads from the pagan religions who were already using them hundreds of years before: In 456 AD, Hindus are thought to have introduced the concept of praying with beads to the world. The earliest reference to a rosary (boberkhas) is in their "Jain Canon" (456 AD) These boberkhas had various numbers of beads 6,9,12,18,36 (any sub-multiple of 108) Islam (610 AD) uses a rosary of 99 beads, one for each of the names of God. Buddhists have 108 prayer beads on the string. The Rosary is of pagan origin and no Christian prior to 1000 AD used beads to pray. Question #1: Did Jesus forbid repetitive prayer using Rosary Beads? Answer:
Matthew 6:7 o YES NO o "And when you are praying, do not use meaningless repetition as the Gentiles do, for they suppose that they will be heard for their many words. Matthew 6:7 (1 image)
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With all due respect to our Catholic friends, why didn't the Vatican simply just string a bunch of different colored rabbits feet and shrunken "saint" heads and bone fragments together?
I like my candy necklace idea much better.
If the kiddies pray one prayer, they get to eat the associated bead.
If nothing else, it would be an answer to prayer for your kid's dentist.
#29. To: Tooconservative (#28)
I like my candy necklace idea much better.If the kiddies pray one prayer, they get to eat the associated bead.
Ha-HA!! That was good.
#30. To: Tooconservative (#27)
...We saw exactly this kind of language contained in our Declaration of Independence (which Jefferson largely cribbed from a congregational letter circulated among Presbyterians of the era.)
Interesting observation.
...Many European history scholars claim that Calvin was the father of America, because his seditious version of the Geneva bible justified deposing your lawful monarch as a corrupt tyrant.
Fascinating theory. Those "european scholars" wouldn't have happened to have originated from Vatican satellite Kingdoms?
I don't recall Calvin's name popping up too often as an inspiration for the Founders and rallying cry (FOR CALVIN!!") to dump tea into Boston Harbor.
#31. To: Liberator (#30)
Fascinating theory. Those "european scholars" wouldn't have happened to have originated from Vatican satellite Kingdoms?
No, just your regular secular Euro historian types. This is the majority view over there.
Those Presbyterians were the leading force in overthrowing the Church of England types and King George III. And that Geneva bible was in their hands for generations in Europe and here in the colonies after they were persecuted until they left England and came here.
It's a telling quote that a waggish remark about the rising of the American colonies was that "Cousin America has eloped with a Presbyterian parson." They tittered about it. Until they lost the colonies for no good reason. They were spot on to blame the Presbyterian hotheads and that darned Geneva bible with its cursed footnotes.
#32. To: hondo68, Vicomte13, A K A Stone (#26)
Sure I said SOME prots....We Christians have a lot in common, we should stick together against community agitators like A K A stone that are trying to divide us. Whatever his cult is, I'm not joining it.
Who is this "us," Kemosabe??
The moment anyone mentions the word, "community," the red flag and neon lights flash.
"Christian"?? I don't personally know any actual "Christian" who would place President Trump's head within the crown of thorns of Jesus Christ. Sad.
I'm still waiting for a declarative statement from you regarding both your faith AND politics. While we share your frustration, you seem to lash out at the system the full 360 degrees, but don't offer or advocate any personal solution, or that by anyone else.
Given your posts, it appears you're a hard-core Libertarian on steroids, which apparently places you smack-dab on the Anarchists chessboard of strewn pieces lorded over by one single confused pigeon.
#33. To: Tooconservative (#31)
Just your regular secular Euro historian types. This is the majority view over there.
Over there...THESE DAYS? Or back when?
Those Presbyterians were the leading force in overthrowing the Church of England types and King George III.
How the mighty and sane have fallen.
It's a telling quote that a waggish remark about the rising of the American colonies was that "Cousin America has eloped with a Presbyterian parson." They tittered about it. Until they lost the colonies for no good reason. They were spot on to blame the Presbyterian hotheads and that darned Geneva bible with its cursed footnotes.
The Geneva Bible (with its footnotes) -- a primary weapon of American rebellion? Ya learn something every day. Wasn't George Washington Episcopalian?
Shame. The Founders and rebels never imagined their language was so careful about "religion" because of the several sect of Christianity and would eventually be used to eventually demonize them and well as Christianity and all Christians themselves. Too bad they didn't see fit to include the Name, Jesus Christ. This would have been a faaaar different America and Republic and prevented the Occultist/Pagan human-secularist cult from cratering the republic.
Meh. The End Days and Time is nearly run out for them anyway.
#34. To: hondo68 (#19)
it is the smallest state in the world by both area and population. However, formally it is not sovereign, with sovereignty being held by the Holy See.
How can a person be a sovereign state,and the area he lives in not be sovereign?
In the entire history of the world,the only nations that had to build walls to keep their own citizens from leaving were those with leftist governments.
#35. To: Liberator (#20)
Yes....However, do the brainwashed who've subsisted on nothing but propaganda, conditioning, and proven manufactured lies truly do so based on "free will" if what has been perceived as "free will" has been an illusion?
I dunno,but there comes a time when people have to accept responsibility for themselves. All you can do is tell them,you can't make them listen.
In the entire history of the world,the only nations that had to build walls to keep their own citizens from leaving were those with leftist governments.
#36. To: hondo68 (#21)
I often wonder the same about some prots.
And you should.
Same sport,different team.
In the entire history of the world,the only nations that had to build walls to keep their own citizens from leaving were those with leftist governments.
#37. To: Liberator (#33)
Meh. The End Days and Time is nearly run out for them anyway.
You're so right. Planet X will arrive and destroy us all in a week (or so I've read).
Better reserve your seats on the Martian pyramid space elevator before it's too late.
#38. To: hondo68, AKA Stone (#26)
We Christians have a lot in common, we should stick together against community agitators like A K A stone that are trying to divide us. Whatever his cult is, I'm not joining it.
ROFLMAO!
Yeah,and the Catholics and the Protestants got along SOOOO WELL until AKA came along!
In the entire history of the world,the only nations that had to build walls to keep their own citizens from leaving were those with leftist governments.
#39. To: sneakypete (#34)
How can a person be a sovereign state,and the area he lives in not be sovereign?
When a pope dies and prior to the election of the next pope, Vatican city still functions as a state and is recognized as such.
It is a continuity of government thing. Like our own COG plans in which a president or 15 presidents can die and we'll still have another one. A president can die, the presidency never. It's much the same with the bishop of Rome.
#40. To: hondo68 (#23)
The Scofield Bible has a nice concordance.
I use it for adult Bible study.
#41. To: A K A Stone, Liberator, Vicomte13 (#0)
I understand this thread is most likely a bait to get Catholics dander up.
So I will break with that type of approach and quote some Catholic scholars on why they don't view what they do as pagan but culturally appropriated practices. The rosary is only one such appropriated practice which even giants such as Cardinal Newman:
We are told in various ways by Eusebius [Note 16], that Constantine, in order to recommend the new religion to the heathen, transferred into it the outward ornaments to which they had been accustomed in their own. It is not necessary to go into a subject which the diligence of Protestant writers has made familiar to most of us. The use of temples, and these dedicated to particular saints, and ornamented on occasions with branches of trees; incense, lamps, and candles; votive offerings on recovery from illness; holy water; asylums; holydays and seasons, use of calendars, processions, blessings on the fields; sacerdotal vestments, the tonsure, the ring in marriage, turning to the East, images at a later date, perhaps the ecclesiastical chant, and the Kyrie Eleison [Note 17], are all of pagan origin, and sanctified by their adoption into the Church. {374}
Greeks dedicate images to devils, and call them gods; but we to True God Incarnate, and to God's servants and friends, who drive away the troops of devils." [Note 18] Again, "As the holy Fathers overthrew the temples and shrines of the devils, and raised in their places shrines in the {377} names of Saints and we worship them, so also they overthrew the images of the devils, and in their stead raised images of Christ, and God's Mother, and the Saints. And under the Old Covenant, Israel neither raised temples in the name of men, nor was memory of man made a festival; for, as yet, man's nature was under a curse, and death was condemnation, and therefore was lamented, and a corpse was reckoned unclean and he who touched it; but now that the Godhead has been combined with our nature, as some life-giving and saving medicine, our nature has been glorified and is trans-elemented into incorruption. Wherefore the death of Saints is made a feast, and temples are raised to them, and Images are painted ... (John Henry Newman [made a cardinal by Pope Leo III in 1879]; Application of the Third Note of a True Development—Assimilative Power, Chapter 8; http://www.newmanreader.org/works/development/chapter8.html)
That's how the Catholics view the pagan appropriated feasts, prayers and practices. They don't deny it but see it (at least Newman did) as a doctrinal development.
We can disagree with this of course, but we should understand the background before we cast stones.
#42. To: Tooconservative (#27)
The Scofield is not a translation, it is a set of study footnotes that promote dispensational millenarian views.
There are only a few. Most in the Book of Daniel and a few in 1&2 Thessalonians. Other than that, a very good concordance Bible. Frankly there are not many footnote commentaries.
#43. To: redleghunter (#41)
It is bait to learn. Here is my goal. Vic and other Catholics believe their view is correct and I and a few others agree. My problem with Vic and other Catholics is honesty. They say they believe in the a God of the Bible. If that is true than why do they have so many institutional traditions that aremcontrary to what now taught in the Bible.
I'm not claiming to be the most knowledgeable or the most moral, I'm just interested in knowing why people who claim to believe in God don't believe in the words in his book. Vic cannot come on this thread and defend this practice. It is indefensible. Vic says there are errors in the Bible. IF someone believes that then why believe any of it. Vic seems to believe in evolution. How can someone believe both. I want to know how they think. It seems to me they have to lie to themselves.
#44. To: A K A Stone (#43)
I CAN come onto the thread and defend all of it. I have CHOSEN not to - just following Jesus' advice.
Now I will answer very simply. Where you Protestants err is in believing that God's revelations ended in the First Century and are all contained in the text of the Bible.
That is not true. God has continued to reveal new things through the Saints by way of the Church. The rosary was one of those things. Eating blood sausage was another. The Sunday worship was another. There are many.
When your belief system is confined to a book whose oldest writing is from the First Century, you miss everything that God has said since. And like a First Century Jew, you deny that God CAN talk outside of your familiar book.
The First Century Jews were dead wrong, and so are you. God sent Mary to reveal the rosary as a tool for Christian meditation. The rosary is, thus, revealed by God, and is not, therefore, part of the "vain babblings" of which Jesus spoke.
You cannot wrap your mind around the idea that God continues to talk to his Church, and continues to reveal things, and sends Mary and Saints and angels as emissaries. But he does.
Obviously, because none of this is in your book - because the last page of your book was written before the end of the First Century, you can't go look any of these things up.
And because you have made up the tradition that everything must be in the book, you then blaspheme was God has revealed - just exactly like the Jews did regarding Jesus and the Church.
Same thing, different day.
You are not "teaching" me anything that I did not already know. But in return, you are unteachable, and I have stopped trying.
#45. To: sneakypete (#18)
You are trying to claim there is only ONE truth in the whole world,and you know it?
sorry to intervene Pete but actually there is and it is Jesus Christ but he is not believed, even by some of those who say they believe him.
#46. To: Vicomte13 (#44)
You believe what man said and you offer no scripture. In fact you are saying that god revealed things that contradict what was already said. You're nog so smart Vic. No you cannot defend your beliefs except to make up stuff said by men and repeat it.
You are a hypocrite. You said god doesn't answer prayers to save you in this world. Then in the next breath you say god saved you by a miracle. You can't have it both ways Vic.
You have offered zero evidence on this thread just like your simpleton economics thread.
#47. To: Vicomte13 (#44)
Which advice is it that Jesus gave you? I already showed you where the married guy Peter (the guy you falsely call pope who was never a pope and whom was married even though Catholics lie about the Bible and say they are not allowed to be married even though the one they lie about was in fact married, but that is another point for later) said to answer questions when asked.
You are looking quite the fool.
#48. To: Vicomte13 (#44) (Edited)
So in other words some things in the Bible are lies such as Paul's writings. And other things were added into the Bible like prayer beads and your bump on your head?
#49. To: Vicomte13 (#44)
How would God send Mary when she is dead? There has been no resurrection yet.
You sound more and more whacked in the head. No wonder you are avoiding this thread. You will expose yourself and your true beliefs.
You are supposed to keep your light hidden right?
#50. To: Vicomte13 (#44)
Tell me by blasphemy please.
#51. To: Vicomte13 (#44)
Queen of Babylon. Is that your Mary?
#52. To: paraclete (#45)
sorry to intervene Pete but actually there is and it is Jesus Christ
I have no doubt that is true for you,but it is NOT true for everyone.
In the entire history of the world,the only nations that had to build walls to keep their own citizens from leaving were those with leftist governments.
#53. To: sneakypete (#52)
Pete you both cannot be right. So it is either true or it isn't. Same as 2 + 2 only has one true answer. Two opposing views can never both be true.
#54. To: A K A Stone (#53)
Pete you both cannot be right. So it is either true or it isn't. Same as 2 + 2 only has one true answer. Two opposing views can never both be true.
HorseHillary!
Just because it's not raining on you doesn't mean it isn't raining on someone else.
Nor does it mean that if you are colorblind that no one else can see colors.
I have known men married to women so ugly they were actually scary-looking,yet they were beautiful and sexy to those guys.
Saying there is only one reality for everyone is one of the most ridiculous things I have ever heard.
This is ESPECIALLY true when claiming that religion is fact,when even the religions refer to themselves "faiths".
In the entire history of the world,the only nations that had to build walls to keep their own citizens from leaving were those with leftist governments.
#55. To: sneakypete (#54)
Just because it's not raining on you doesn't mean it isn't raining on someone else.
No one believes that it rains everywhere simultaneously.
Someone can honestly believe something that is false. But it is still false. Maybe that helps you understand what I am saying.
#56. To: sneakypete (#54)
Saying there is only one reality for everyone is one of the most ridiculous things I have ever heard.
I'm sorry I can't help you if you think we don't all live with gravity in this world, and that two opposing views can both be true. Sounds like some kind of ebonics or liberal new math.
#57. To: sneakypete (#52)
sorry to intervene Pete but actually there is and it is Jesus Christ I have no doubt that is true for you,but it is NOT true for everyone.
There is only one truth pete get used to it
#58. To: A K A Stone (#55)
Just because it's not raining on you doesn't mean it isn't raining on someone else.
can someone send me some of that rain please
#59. To: sneakypete, A K A Stone (#54)
Just because it's not raining on you doesn't mean it isn't raining on someone else.
Your rain analogy sucks. You both stand in different locations.
It can't be raining and not raining IN THE SAME PLACE, at the same time.
AKA is correct. There is a god or there isn't.... have the balls to take a stand and defend it.
If you can't do that, shut your geriatric pie hole on the subject and ignore the topic.
I'm the infidel... Allah warned you about. كافر المسلح
#60. To: paraclete (#57)
There is only one truth pete get used to it
I'm not the one having problems understanding the difference between faith and fact.
In the entire history of the world,the only nations that had to build walls to keep their own citizens from leaving were those with leftist governments.
#61. To: GrandIsland (#59)
There is a god or there isn't.... have the balls to take a stand and defend it.
I took that stand back when you were stealing cookies from your mommy. There IS no God.
I have no problems with other people thinking there is if that is what makes them happy,though.
In the entire history of the world,the only nations that had to build walls to keep their own citizens from leaving were those with leftist governments.
#62. To: sneakypete (#61)
There IS no God.
In the past you said you weren't sure.
Well you took a stand and it is documented.
#63. To: A K A Stone (#62)
In the past you said you weren't sure.Well you took a stand and it is documented.
It is my firm opinion there is no God,but you can't prove a negative.
If there is a God,the SOB is so incompetent he makes Mad Maxine look like a genius.
In the entire history of the world,the only nations that had to build walls to keep their own citizens from leaving were those with leftist governments.
#64. To: All (#1)
Still waiting for an honest answer to an honest question. Whose in charge Jesus or the Pope? MATTHEW 6:7.
#65. To: Jameson (#0)
ping
#66. To: A K A Stone (#64)
Come on over to the Rosary thread if you care to defend that practice that Jesus forbade.
Maybe you are more up to it than Vic was. He had no answers.
Whose in charge Jesus or the Pope? (Who's)
Defend this practice? I have no interest in defending anything.
Pray anyway you wish, or don't.
Who's in charge? We all are, each of us, individually.
If you believe in Jesus, live as he lived.
"we are tartets from evil doers!!!" [ and ] U looked up birfer on the dcitionary. It isn't a movie.
"Listen piece of shit. Call me anti American again and your're banned. I don't like you." - aka stoned -
#67. To: Jameson (#66) (Edited)
Who's in charge? We all are, each of us, individually.If you believe in Jesus, live as he lived.
You just can't go wrong with that Imitatio Christus answer, even in an ecumenical context.
Kudos for brevity.
| Why art thou proud, O man? God for thee became low. Thou wouldst perhaps be ashamed to imitate a lowly man ; then at least imitate the lowly God. — Saint Augustine, In Iohannis evangelium, tractatus 25, 16 |
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