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Title: 25 Years Ago, the Federal Govt Changed its Rules to Launch a Sniper Attack on Off-Grid Family
Source: Free Thought Project
URL Source: http://thefreethoughtproject.com/25-years-ruby-ridge/
Published: Aug 21, 2017
Author: Claire Bernish
Post Date: 2017-08-22 09:40:21 by Deckard
Keywords: None
Views: 9515
Comments: 44

Randall and Vicki Weaver and their children wanted nothing more than to be left to live an isolated life in peace in their cabin enclave on a northern Idaho mountaintop called Ruby Ridge. Untrusting of the federal government and of the belief society had taken an insurmountable turn for the worse, the Weavers — as many residents in the remote and breathtaking area — taught their children to be self-sufficient and defend themselves with firearms from unwanted intrusions onto the family’s property.

But the Weaver’s seemingly idyllic life came to an appallingly violent end over several hours from August 21 to 22, 1992, in a horrendously botched federal raid that would also profoundly alter perceptions about the U.S. government in the minds of even ordinary Americans.

Often afterward reported to be white supremacists, the Weavers considered themselves race “separatists” only — and intended no harm against others beyond that belief — though their stance often included the company of people with a more vehement ideology.

Regardless of the Weavers’ beliefs, the account of what federal agents perpetrated against the family under the premise of affecting law enforcement action implores Americans of every race to consider the telling outcome of untrammeled government power run amok.

In 1989, Randall “Randy” Weaver came under the scrutiny of federal agents intent on infiltrating sometimes-violent white supremacist organizations like the Aryan Nations — and eventually wound up charged for selling two illegal sawed-off shotguns to an undercover agent with the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms [now, also, explosives] (ATF).

Weaver, notably, claimed he had been set up — thus flatly refusing the government’s offer to drop the charges if he would turn informant, feeding the feds information about various Aryan Nations members — and was indicted in December the following year.

Though Weaver’s insistence about the set-up leaves his failure to show up for a scheduled court date in February 1991 an altogether open question, a clerical error marking that court date for March didn’t prevent authorities from issuing a warrant for his arrest.

Knowing the Weavers possessed a relative arsenal — which Randall, Vicki, and their children were well-trained how to use — agents weren’t entirely sure how to carry out the warrant and so began intense surveillance of the family’s mountain home while carefully formulating a plan of action.

During this period, Vicki reportedly penned several darkly but vaguely threatening letters to federal agents, containing phrases such as “the tyrant’s blood will flow.”

Considering the family originally relocated to their outpost over mistrust of the government coupled with Randall’s claims concerning the charges which ultimately generated the warrant, Vicki’s language is understandable.

Remember, whatever narrative about dangerous white separatists federal officials proffered about the Weaver family, Randall had only sold — under questionable circumstances — two sawed-off shotguns to a federal agent, and his failure to appear in court, for all intents and purposes, was the fault of the court clerk’s ultimately egregious error.

All in all, an isolationist family on a remote mountain hardly posed an imminent threat to anyone.

Nonetheless, federal marshals set in motion a plan in August 1992 that would send shockwaves across the country and around the world for its deadly ineptitude and wholly disproportionate use of force.

On August 21, marshals surprised Randall, his 14-year-old son Sammy, friend of the family Kevin Harrison, and the Weaver’s family dog, Striker, on a road near the family’s property. Though some of what happened next remains a matter of conjecture, the events mark a disturbing turn in the use of force for the purposes of an otherwise relatively innocuous warrant.

A fully camouflage-clad marshal shot and killed Striker — prompting Sammy to return fire at the group of marshals. Shots then rang out from both sides — in the end, both Sammy and U.S. Marshal Michael Degan lay dead. After the brief gun battle, Weaver and Harrison retreated to Ruby Ridge and marshals regrouped, bringing in FBI agents and setting up a sniper to watch movements on the property.

One of the most contentious aspects of following events concerned an abhorrently arbitrary relaxing of the FBI’s rules of engagement to handle the case.

Larry Potts headed the FBI’s criminal division and oversaw the deployment of the agency’s Hostage Rescue Team to break the standoff at Ruby Ridge — but in doing so, loosely nullified longstanding rules of engagement preventing agents from firing in anything other than self-defense. In doing so, Potts created a monstrously rogue agency capable of firing at will — and the results were expectedly disastrous.

Agents were ordered to shoot any armed man on sight — on the Weaver’s private property — and when Randall appeared with a weapon alongside his 16-year-ol daughter Sara and Harris, FBI sniper Lon Horiuchi opened fire, hitting Weaver in the arm.

Weaver, Harris, and Sara sprinted back to the safety of the cabin, but another shot from Horiuchi hit Vicki in the head, killing her as she clutched the couple’s 10-month-old daughter in her arms — but the bullet passed through her and also wounded Harris.

An incredibly tense 11-day standoff ensued, as the terrified survivors holed up in the Ruby Ridge home, but ended when mediators convinced Randall to turn himself in.

Horiuchi later claimed he had not been aware Vicki stood in the doorway when he fired the fatal shot. Though he was charged in 1997 with involuntary manslaughter for the killing of Vicki Weaver, a federal judge dismissed the charges the following year under the controversial alleged immunity of federal officers from state prosecution.

In 2001, a federal appeals court overruled that claim to immunity, stating federal officials who violate the U.S. Constitution can, indeed, be held accountable at the state level — but the Idaho prosecutor never pursued the manslaughter charge.

Randall and Harris both faced murder charges for the death of the federal marshall — but in a surprising move by an Idaho jury, all charges against them were dropped, save the original failure to appear charge against Weaver that generated the fateful warrant.

Surviving members of the Weaver family filed a wrongful death lawsuit, and in 1995, the patriarch received $100,000 and three of his daughters, $1 million each.

To this day, the grievous abuse of power fuels doubt in segments of the public about federal agencies’ ability to restrain itself in the use of unnecessary force disproportionate to putative threats.

Though the enormity of consequences of Ruby Ridge certainly echoed far into the future, the events have unfortunately sometimes been clouded by the Weaver family’s controversial ideologies. But those beliefs — as the families of countless other victims of a growing epidemic of state violence can attest — are of little consequence when the government acts with reckless impunity against a wide range of people from grossly different backgrounds.

Agents participating in and overseeing the siege of Ruby Ridge forced a sweeping internal investigation and concurrent reevaluation of policy — particularly due to the removal of imperative rules of engagement meant to protect civilians from the exact massacre that took place there.

And as is widely known, when the government receives the green light to abandon strictures protecting the public one time, it’s virtually guaranteed to happen again. As testament to this, the deadly and terroristic siege in Waco, Texas, by federal agents occurred shortly after the incident at Ruby Ridge.

On the 20th anniversary of her mother’s and brother’s murder by agents of the government, Sara Weaver poignantly recalled the harrowing details of her experience in an interview with the Associated Press — though she noted her father refuses to do the same. Losing her mother, who was indeed unarmed when she was killed, has been the most difficult aspect for Sara to come to terms with.

“We miss her terribly,” Sara lamented. “It never goes away.”

Despite the unprecedented mishandling, the payout to the surviving Weaver family, and the sh*tstorm of debate and controversy ensuing from the incident at Ruby Ridge, the government has never fully admitted any wrongdoing in the case.

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#28. To: Deckard (#0)

People died, it happens to everyone on a long enough time frame our life expectancy is zero. Shooting at intruders and dying for it, is a helluva way to go out. A lot better than living with cancer, or holed up in an apartment building surrounded by drug addicts ruled over by Commie tyrants. After a person dies and looks back, what will they be most proud of? Living a long time? Or living as they believed? In a Universe where time has no meaning, death is nothing but a "pulling off of a band-aid from a childs owie." Does anyone remember that traumatic event of Mom removing a bandage from a scrape? It sure hurt....you think.

jeremiad  posted on  2017-08-24   17:31:52 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#29. To: jeremiad (#28)

People died, it happens to everyone on a long enough time frame our life expectancy is zero. Shooting at intruders and dying for it, is a helluva way to go out. A lot better than living with cancer, or holed up in an apartment building surrounded by drug addicts ruled over by Commie tyrants. After a person dies and looks back, what will they be most proud of? Living a long time? Or living as they believed? In a Universe where time has no meaning, death is nothing but a "pulling off of a band-aid from a childs owie." Does anyone remember that traumatic event of Mom removing a bandage from a scrape? It sure hurt....you think.

If it were as simple as that, sure. But it's not. Yes, we do indeed go on after death, but we are not the prince of this world (if we were, we would not die), and we're neither prince nor judge in the afterlife either. Our Creator is there, and he is opinionated.

So, while WE may feel as though going out in a blaze of glory is the best thing of all - given that we are about to end - truth is, we are NOT about to end at all, and when we step through the other side, we're accountable for how we went out and what we did on the way out. And that changes the equation.

We will be judged, there, by whether what we did was justified, not by OUR standards, but by the judge's standards. So if we, with terminal cancer, work ourselves into a froth and decide to go strike at somebody political, because we have decided in our own self-righteousness that he is a "tyrant", and then we go act as judge, jury and executioner, we had better hope that the judge who awaits us on the other side agrees that tyrants should die by the hands of men, and even if that is the standard of the judge, mthat the particular man you killed really was a tyrant - not in your opinion, but the opinion of the judge.

In other words, for our own sake we had best tread very lightly on matters of death and judgment.

Vicomte13  posted on  2017-08-24   18:17:02 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#33. To: Vicomte13 (#29)

I agree, if we go looking for a tyrant to "take care of".

When the tyrant comes to you looking to destroy the quiet life you have built....... Quite frankly that is the problem, not enough "revenue agents" buried in the back yards of citizens for "overstepping" their power.

The quandary we now face is how do we roll back the tyrants power without committing acts of violence or murder.

Who else can decide if a tyrant is a tyrant but someone under his boot? Another riddle.

There is no Justice, anyone with a scintilla of brain power can cite chapter and verse how the courts have become something that is more akin to a Casino with hundreds of thousands or maybe millions of dollars needed to enter the door and have a chance at a fair and equitable outcome.

Again, what do you do? Say it is a State agent telling you that to take your child who is seriously ill, out of the care of a hospital, and move her to another in hopes of solutions instead of treatment?

There are simply times when there is no doubt that God himself would look kindly on action, or neutrality. Men do have Natural rights. Just because courts have forgotten where the law comes from, does not mean The Almighty has.

jeremiad  posted on  2017-08-27   13:03:05 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#34. To: jeremiad (#33)

I agree, if we go looking for a tyrant to "take care of".

When the tyrant comes to you looking to destroy the quiet life you have built....... Quite frankly that is the problem, not enough "revenue agents" buried in the back yards of citizens for "overstepping" their power.

The quandary we now face is how do we roll back the tyrants power without committing acts of violence or murder.

Who else can decide if a tyrant is a tyrant but someone under his boot? Another riddle.

There is no Justice, anyone with a scintilla of brain power can cite chapter and verse how the courts have become something that is more akin to a Casino with hundreds of thousands or maybe millions of dollars needed to enter the door and have a chance at a fair and equitable outcome.

Again, what do you do? Say it is a State agent telling you that to take your child who is seriously ill, out of the care of a hospital, and move her to another in hopes of solutions instead of treatment?

There are simply times when there is no doubt that God himself would look kindly on action, or neutrality. Men do have Natural rights. Just because courts have forgotten where the law comes from, does not mean The Almighty has.

You will get scant comfort in this life if you look for justification - let alone actual justice - from the real God.

Consider, the real God only fathered one human son, and that son was totally innocent, and God knew it. Yet he made his own son go through two mockeries of a trial, a night of ridicule, and a day of torture and horror - there was no justice at all for his own son on this side of the grave. We have no grounds to expect better treatment (and if we DO expect better treatment, we're fools because God - through his Son - TOLD US that we will be hated and treated terrible and abused by authorities. Indeed, that was an important part of the Son's advice to us to not bother trying to accumulate wealth, status and power on earth, because they will be stolen, taken, ripped away - and Jesus essentially promised that God will do NOTHING AT ALL about ANY of that in THIS life. Indeed, Jesus said to simply ENDURE the injustice of this life, which is very real and bears down on everybody, that you will get no justice here, not from men, and not from God either. Endure it HERE, follow HIS example and be stripped of everything including dignity and life itself, and then, THERE, on the OTHER SIDE of death, you will be rewarded on God. The only thing that God promised THIS world is that it will eventually get its justice by being burnt to a crisp, because NOTHING is just here, NOTHING is without sin.

As if to underline the point, Jesus picked Twelve Apostles. Twelve men who knew him to be the Son of God, who saw his miracles, who believed in him and followed him. They killed nobody, nor did any harm, and did only good to mankind while they lived.

Jesus himself was disgraced, stripped of everything, tried and convicted, though innocent, and then tortured to death. He promised nothing less and nothing more for his followers. His twelve closest, most faithful, and most holy - specially selected by God - friends, the Apostles...what happened to THEM?

Remember, God controls everything, and so God always had the ability to stop all of this.

So let's consider.

Judas: He betrayed Jesus to the Romans, and hanged himself from the guilt.

Peter: Designated leader of the Apostles. Like Jesus, he was crucified by the Romans.

Philip: Like Jesus, he was whipped and then crucified.

Bartholemew: Preached in India. Was skinned alive, then beheaded.

Thomas: Run through with a spear.

Matthew: Stabbed through the back with a sword.

James the Less: Beaten to death with a club

Jude: Crucified.

Simon the Zealot: Crucified.

John: Poisoned but lived, exiled to Patmos, where he died of old age.

God let the apostles be slaughtered, for doing good.

So, have the courts in America become a casino? Yes. The outcomes are often unfair. The police are brutal. The authorities are callous.

To this, I expect Jesus and the Apostles would say: So what? Anybody being crucified? Anybody being whipped, nearly to death, and THEN crucified? Anybody being skinned alive? No? Well, then America's system of justice is not nearly as brutal or unjust or horrific as the Roman system that Jesus and his Apostles faced. God let Rome devour Jesus and the Apostles in an unjust system, and Jesus told people to pay their taxes...to Rome!

So no, I don't think that God will look with any favor upon Americans who, unjustly treated in property, taxes and revolution, decide they may attack and kill their unjust authorities. Here is not as bad as Rome was, and Jesus and the Apostles said to obey Rome and pay the taxes...and lost their lives at the hands of Rome (and others).

So I think that, really, God's view is just exactly what he said: Life is short and wicked - don't even try to save up money or look for justice from men. They money will be taken, men are wicked. See to it that YOU don't steal or act unjustly or kill, and God will reward YOU in the afterlife for your trust and patience and doing what he said. Take up arms HERE and you face the same fate as the rest of the violent and unjust: God will throw them into the Lake of Fire, where they belong, because they were murderers, liars, cruel and unjust.

God said that the cruelty and injustice of others is to be patiently borne, even expected, and looked at with joy, for it is in enduring that that one experiences the same thing that Jesus and the Apostles suffered, and one shares in their glory in the Afterlife.

Obviously, nobody who doesn't believe in an Afterlife will do this - and that's why the trust - the faith - is required. There are signs in this life that there IS an afterlife and a real reward for doing what Jesus and the Apostles said EVEN THOUGH it is costly in THIS life and there is no reward for it but pain and loss. Those are downpayments on the next life.

That's the deal. It was the deal for Jesus and the Apostles, and there's no reason to believe that God is going to give a BETTER DEAL to other people, all of whom are absolute nobodies and nothings to God when compared to Jesus and his handpicked friends. God saw too it that his own son and all of his friends were physically tortured, all but one to death and all treated with great injustice. The one who hanged himself to avoid the pain of guilt faces suffering without end on the other side. The ones who bore the injustice to the end were rewarded by God. All of those faithful salaried servants of Caesar and the kings who carried out the unjust sentences for pay face the same fate as Judas.

Everybody is given choices. If you choose to take up arms and attack the authorities over money or pride or injustice, then you are taking the path that neither Jesus nor any of his 12 friends did, and you're doing things the opposite of what he said to do. They followed what he said. You'll be striking out on your own and doing what he said not to do.

I would say, in truth, that the things of this world: money, status, privilege and human justice are not durable, and that the individual can easily lose himself trying to pursue them. Essentially, rebellion means bloodshed over money, and God never authorized it and Jesus warned against it so decisively, I would say that rebellion is really a statement that one does not really believe in Jesus and the Apostles, or anything they said. One doesn't really believe in an afterlife and is firmly rooted in the present, believing that this life is all we have, and so that it's best, right and proper to fight here, and now, understanding that the violence and death that must inevitably come ARE justice, and the only kind of justice we are ever likely to see.

The atheist ought to fight and fight hard. The Christian ought to meekly and passively accept.

The straddle is not useful - indulging in only a little bit of killing over money and justice is likely to get one just as rejected as indulging in a lot of it. While meekly enduring it all is a waste of the chance to be happy if there is no God at all and Jesus and the Apostles are just another Santa Claus fairy tale myth.

As for me? Well, I know from personal experience that God exists, so when I get angry and murderous (as I do), I recognize that if I follow my instincts and impulses I will essentially be doing what Judas did: betraying what I know to be true and, thereby, committing suicide.

I don't find my fellow men to be as certain as I am, and I don't blame people for acting on their incertitude. But I'm afraid that God does blame them.

Vicomte13  posted on  2017-08-28   10:45:04 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#37. To: Vicomte13 (#34)

Good perspective, but I expect better from a country that was founded on such promise. Simply, equal treatment under the law is all that is asked.

Yes, bitching and whining is a waste of time because we will be trodden under foot until "The Good King" takes over. There are multiple stage plays, books and movies that point to the same situation over and over from a secular POV. One that does it quite well from a Christian POV.

The majority of Americans look for that elected official to be "The One". Believers in the Gospel know he will be unmistakable, and not so nice to his opponents.

I enjoy your perspectives, thanks.

jeremiad  posted on  2017-08-28   18:33:35 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#38. To: jeremiad (#37)

Truth is, God waited nearly 2000 years to even give humans the right to kill ANIMALS to eat them. And even then he forbade us from eating them alive, and made the shedding of animal blood an important enough thing that it gave forgiveness from sin in Israel!

Just the killing of animals, to eat, is a BIG DEAL, a grant to human weakness.

God NEVER granted men the right to kill other men in order to enforce law or government, NOT EVER. He had a special set of contractual terms wITH ISRAEL ALONE, but to Israel he gave an ORACLE - the Urim and Thummim - by which the High Priest could always DIRECTLY CONSULT GOD for judgment. God gave the Israelites, and them alone, a telephone to him by which they could be absolutely certain to NEVER execute an innocent man, if they chose to avail themselves of the technique.

Likewise, in the case of adultery in Israel - and only in Israel - God did prescribe a death penalty, but he also gave a technique whereby God himself would demonstrate, through a miraculous intervention, whether or not a woman believed to be an adulteress was actually an adulteress.

God set terms of trial involving the death penalty so very high that it could only be used, effectively, in the case of public crimes with multiple witnesses.

And that was only in Israel, where there was also the Urim and the Thummim. The general law for mankind was, and is: DO NOT KILL. A man is allowed to defend his life, and men may (indeed, must) shed the blood of the man who sheds blood (unless they turn the other cheek and forgive him), BUT even then the man who sheds another man's blood must not himself carry the burden of mortal sin, for the man who judges will be judged by the standard by which he judged. So, if a man judges another worthy of death for, say, disoloyalty to a country, that man has set himself up for death - permanent death - at the hands of God at final judgment because of that man's inevitable disloyalty to God - for all men are sinners.

Men try to spin fantasies about how God forgives them their treasons against him - EVEN IF they do not forgive other men their treasons over things that are lesser and trivial in the face of God, such as nations and governments and human laws.

That's the problem: when you kill a man in service of a state, or in a war, or in law enforcement, you have shed the blood of man, without a trial. You had better hope that he himself shed blood and that your justice was true. Because if you killed a man simply for talking, or for threatening, or for some offense that is NOT a death penalty before God, then you are a murderer.

That you were hired by some men - "the state" - to do it eliminates culpability for your act before other men ("I was a soldier in war!"), but it does not change God's absolute and categorical prohibition against shedding the blood of other men, except in punishment for their bloodshed, or in self-defense.

God never authorized anybody other than the Israelites to engage in a war of conquest against any other people. He never did it, not once. So EVERY ruler who initiated war against any other people, and EVERY soldier who killed in that war following the orders of that ruler, are ALL murderers, and ALL damned. That's God's law, and it is brutally reductionist.

Likewise, the professional executioner. If he is putting to death those tried and convicted - but the victim facing death was not in fact guilty, and was found guilty by a trial that did not have all of the procedural safeguards that God put into place - then the execution is simply a murderer. The fact that some state of men pay him and cobble together a whole set of rules and regulations, and immunities from the law, does not save him from God. He chose to earn his living by killing men - if those men were not actually guilty, he chose to be a murderer and to throw himself into judgment as a murderer once he dies, for some money in this life.

Killing people for a living is glorified by our states, but it is in fact a very good way to virtually ensure damnation by God at the end of it all. If you choose to earn your keep by shedding men's blood, you're not the sort of person God wants to live with in his City at the end of it all. You would not obey the Law - HIS Law - and you committed the most heinous acts for hire. You're a murderer and you will be thrown into the fire.

But what if you ALREADY WERE a killer in your life - a soldier, a pilot, an executioner? Is there no hope? There is still hope. God WILL FORGIVE IT, but to be forgiven, you must first admit that what you did was totally, absolutely and categorically wrong. You cannot DEFEND the evil. You have to turn your back on it, and turn on those you formerly served, and say that their cause is evil BECAUSE they kill men. You cannot try to DEFEND what you did - killing for hire in "the national interest", because if the national interest is killing those who are not murderers, then the nation itself is evil, and you cannot serve both God and evil. You have to CHOOSE, and CHOOSING God means rejecting the bloody nation you used to serve. You can't have it both ways.

You can continue to dwell in an evil country - for all countries are sustained by the unlimited use of force and threat of death - ALL are evil - but you must not SUPPORT that aspect of it, or defend it, or justify it. Because if you do, you are not repentant. And if you are an unrepentant killer, you will be damned by God at final judgment, and you will be thrown into the fire to be burnt up, as promised.

In the end, none of us gets to have it the way we want it, and the sooner we figure that out and submit to the highest authority, the better the outcome for us.

Vicomte13  posted on  2017-08-29   10:43:17 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#39. To: Vicomte13 (#38)

How do you study? I really appreciate the depth of your answers.

jeremiad  posted on  2017-08-31   23:29:42 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#40. To: jeremiad (#39)

How do you study? I really appreciate the depth of your answers.

I'm not sure what you mean by "How do you study", but I'm glad to try to answer if you explain a little bit what you want to know.

If you mean "How do you learn this stuff" in general, I would say that I was blessed with a phenomenal education - "the education of kings" so to speak, that I have a reasonably acute mind, but most particularly I have a tremendous gift of memory. I remember stuff in detail, and the way that memories like mine work is that facts are fit into an overall structure and pattern of things. In school, we learn asserted principles, rules and concepts, but we are to just accept them as given - nobody PROVES to us the laws of mathematics or the laws of physics or the laws of economics, for example. We are simply TOLD what they are, and then given sets of exercises that test our memorized knowledge.

Some of the things we are taught - or at any rate some of the things I was taught - conflict with other things I was taught. This sets up a real irritation in my mind, because it makes it difficult to store that information. I was very impressed by the counterexample principle in geometry - that any proof is destroyed by a single counterexample.

So, it's fair to say that when a "law", "principle", "precept" or "rule" is presented to me, I don't necessarily just accept it and go with it. I may provisionally accept it, but then future experience (and all related past experiences) are correlated to the proposed rule. If I don't like the rule (and in general I don't like rules) I look like a hawk for contradictions - a single counterexample destroys a proof.

The capstone knowledge is theology, because the existence or non-existence of consciousness in God determines whether or not nature is a machine or a thought, whether or not it has discretion. This was the BIG question, and thanks to empirical experience, I know the answer to that question.

Trouble is, it is so much simpler and more comforting to think of the universe as a machine, than to realize that the physics are an opinion, and that sometimes the opinion CHANGES.

I seem to be going mystical here, so I'll stop...given that I don't really know for sure what you mean by "How do you study?"

Vicomte13  posted on  2017-09-01   14:16:58 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


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#41. To: Vicomte13 (#40) (Edited)

Your response in #38 reads like knowledge acquired and stored over time. When new information comes in it is sorted and stored like pages in a book. It is how I teach myself. I have a lot of information, but it is useless to try and relay it until I get what I call a "download". The download is that moment when enough pieces of a puzzle make it obvious what the picture is.

What you wrote read like the studies of a scholar, but I am thinking it is the result of collating information studied with an eye toward trivial or not well covered subject matter, until the whole becomes visible. In short, it made me want to figure out how to KNOW if what you said is correct. This fits with your relating the "counterexample principle" and leads me to ask if you are a teacher?

Anyway, I am rambling and really have never seen the words Urim and Thummim. Maybe you are a practicing Hebrew scholar?

jeremiad  posted on  2017-09-01 22:25:12 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


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