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Title: 25 Years Ago, the Federal Govt Changed its Rules to Launch a Sniper Attack on Off-Grid Family
Source: Free Thought Project
URL Source: http://thefreethoughtproject.com/25-years-ruby-ridge/
Published: Aug 21, 2017
Author: Claire Bernish
Post Date: 2017-08-22 09:40:21 by Deckard
Keywords: None
Views: 9530
Comments: 44

Randall and Vicki Weaver and their children wanted nothing more than to be left to live an isolated life in peace in their cabin enclave on a northern Idaho mountaintop called Ruby Ridge. Untrusting of the federal government and of the belief society had taken an insurmountable turn for the worse, the Weavers — as many residents in the remote and breathtaking area — taught their children to be self-sufficient and defend themselves with firearms from unwanted intrusions onto the family’s property.

But the Weaver’s seemingly idyllic life came to an appallingly violent end over several hours from August 21 to 22, 1992, in a horrendously botched federal raid that would also profoundly alter perceptions about the U.S. government in the minds of even ordinary Americans.

Often afterward reported to be white supremacists, the Weavers considered themselves race “separatists” only — and intended no harm against others beyond that belief — though their stance often included the company of people with a more vehement ideology.

Regardless of the Weavers’ beliefs, the account of what federal agents perpetrated against the family under the premise of affecting law enforcement action implores Americans of every race to consider the telling outcome of untrammeled government power run amok.

In 1989, Randall “Randy” Weaver came under the scrutiny of federal agents intent on infiltrating sometimes-violent white supremacist organizations like the Aryan Nations — and eventually wound up charged for selling two illegal sawed-off shotguns to an undercover agent with the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms [now, also, explosives] (ATF).

Weaver, notably, claimed he had been set up — thus flatly refusing the government’s offer to drop the charges if he would turn informant, feeding the feds information about various Aryan Nations members — and was indicted in December the following year.

Though Weaver’s insistence about the set-up leaves his failure to show up for a scheduled court date in February 1991 an altogether open question, a clerical error marking that court date for March didn’t prevent authorities from issuing a warrant for his arrest.

Knowing the Weavers possessed a relative arsenal — which Randall, Vicki, and their children were well-trained how to use — agents weren’t entirely sure how to carry out the warrant and so began intense surveillance of the family’s mountain home while carefully formulating a plan of action.

During this period, Vicki reportedly penned several darkly but vaguely threatening letters to federal agents, containing phrases such as “the tyrant’s blood will flow.”

Considering the family originally relocated to their outpost over mistrust of the government coupled with Randall’s claims concerning the charges which ultimately generated the warrant, Vicki’s language is understandable.

Remember, whatever narrative about dangerous white separatists federal officials proffered about the Weaver family, Randall had only sold — under questionable circumstances — two sawed-off shotguns to a federal agent, and his failure to appear in court, for all intents and purposes, was the fault of the court clerk’s ultimately egregious error.

All in all, an isolationist family on a remote mountain hardly posed an imminent threat to anyone.

Nonetheless, federal marshals set in motion a plan in August 1992 that would send shockwaves across the country and around the world for its deadly ineptitude and wholly disproportionate use of force.

On August 21, marshals surprised Randall, his 14-year-old son Sammy, friend of the family Kevin Harrison, and the Weaver’s family dog, Striker, on a road near the family’s property. Though some of what happened next remains a matter of conjecture, the events mark a disturbing turn in the use of force for the purposes of an otherwise relatively innocuous warrant.

A fully camouflage-clad marshal shot and killed Striker — prompting Sammy to return fire at the group of marshals. Shots then rang out from both sides — in the end, both Sammy and U.S. Marshal Michael Degan lay dead. After the brief gun battle, Weaver and Harrison retreated to Ruby Ridge and marshals regrouped, bringing in FBI agents and setting up a sniper to watch movements on the property.

One of the most contentious aspects of following events concerned an abhorrently arbitrary relaxing of the FBI’s rules of engagement to handle the case.

Larry Potts headed the FBI’s criminal division and oversaw the deployment of the agency’s Hostage Rescue Team to break the standoff at Ruby Ridge — but in doing so, loosely nullified longstanding rules of engagement preventing agents from firing in anything other than self-defense. In doing so, Potts created a monstrously rogue agency capable of firing at will — and the results were expectedly disastrous.

Agents were ordered to shoot any armed man on sight — on the Weaver’s private property — and when Randall appeared with a weapon alongside his 16-year-ol daughter Sara and Harris, FBI sniper Lon Horiuchi opened fire, hitting Weaver in the arm.

Weaver, Harris, and Sara sprinted back to the safety of the cabin, but another shot from Horiuchi hit Vicki in the head, killing her as she clutched the couple’s 10-month-old daughter in her arms — but the bullet passed through her and also wounded Harris.

An incredibly tense 11-day standoff ensued, as the terrified survivors holed up in the Ruby Ridge home, but ended when mediators convinced Randall to turn himself in.

Horiuchi later claimed he had not been aware Vicki stood in the doorway when he fired the fatal shot. Though he was charged in 1997 with involuntary manslaughter for the killing of Vicki Weaver, a federal judge dismissed the charges the following year under the controversial alleged immunity of federal officers from state prosecution.

In 2001, a federal appeals court overruled that claim to immunity, stating federal officials who violate the U.S. Constitution can, indeed, be held accountable at the state level — but the Idaho prosecutor never pursued the manslaughter charge.

Randall and Harris both faced murder charges for the death of the federal marshall — but in a surprising move by an Idaho jury, all charges against them were dropped, save the original failure to appear charge against Weaver that generated the fateful warrant.

Surviving members of the Weaver family filed a wrongful death lawsuit, and in 1995, the patriarch received $100,000 and three of his daughters, $1 million each.

To this day, the grievous abuse of power fuels doubt in segments of the public about federal agencies’ ability to restrain itself in the use of unnecessary force disproportionate to putative threats.

Though the enormity of consequences of Ruby Ridge certainly echoed far into the future, the events have unfortunately sometimes been clouded by the Weaver family’s controversial ideologies. But those beliefs — as the families of countless other victims of a growing epidemic of state violence can attest — are of little consequence when the government acts with reckless impunity against a wide range of people from grossly different backgrounds.

Agents participating in and overseeing the siege of Ruby Ridge forced a sweeping internal investigation and concurrent reevaluation of policy — particularly due to the removal of imperative rules of engagement meant to protect civilians from the exact massacre that took place there.

And as is widely known, when the government receives the green light to abandon strictures protecting the public one time, it’s virtually guaranteed to happen again. As testament to this, the deadly and terroristic siege in Waco, Texas, by federal agents occurred shortly after the incident at Ruby Ridge.

On the 20th anniversary of her mother’s and brother’s murder by agents of the government, Sara Weaver poignantly recalled the harrowing details of her experience in an interview with the Associated Press — though she noted her father refuses to do the same. Losing her mother, who was indeed unarmed when she was killed, has been the most difficult aspect for Sara to come to terms with.

“We miss her terribly,” Sara lamented. “It never goes away.”

Despite the unprecedented mishandling, the payout to the surviving Weaver family, and the sh*tstorm of debate and controversy ensuing from the incident at Ruby Ridge, the government has never fully admitted any wrongdoing in the case.

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#2. To: Deckard (#0) (Edited)

There is a lesson here and it is brutal: you are not an army. You are not equal to the government when it comes to using armed force. You do not have the right to ultimately get your way, because you do not have the POWER to enforce your will. You can bitch and moan about it all day until your face turns purple, but nobody cares, and nobody will care.

If you arm yourself to the teeth and try to separate from society, you're going into a weird and dangerous orbit. When you take your wife and kids out there with you, what you are doing is exposing them to death and destruction because of your pathological weirdness.

What happened here, really? A government agent shot a dog - that's bad. But a guy's poorly educated teenage son replied by shooting at the federal agent. THAT is where everything comes off the rails. THAT is the problem with being a secessionist, going and living in a shack in the hills, and believing that they're your hills, that you have the right to shoot people in them if they violate your standards. Sorry, but those hills are part of the United States, and there is NO PLACE in the United States where YOUR law supersedes the national law.

You are always and forever subordinated to the law of the land in this land. If you cannot handle that, leave. Going and living in a shack in this land is not leaving. You're still here, and you will still obey the laws.

The whole South doesn't get to decide to leave, and you don't get to take your family and secede in the American hills. Nor do you get to stop paying taxes. If having to obey the laws everywhere and pay your taxes is too damned much of an imposition, emigrate. In THIS land you SHALL obey the law and you SHALL pay the taxes, or you will die. Period.

Right? Wrong? Not relevant: REALITY. Might makes right, and you are not, and never will be, powerful enough to take on the government in armed combat. If you're too stubborn, too stupid and too pathological to understand those realities, you're going to end up dead at the hands of the government sooner or later. Worse, you're going to get your wife and kids killed to.

A pair of separatist parents armed themselves to the teeth and filled a 14 year old boy's head with crazy ideas. His dog got shot so he took on the government itself. So he got shot and died. And it all spun out of control after that.

Randy Weaver and his wife brought death upon themselves and their family by being crackpots who decided that guns would let them secede. Nobody gets to secede. You will bend the knee to the law of the land, or you will die.

Fascism! Communism! Naziism! Whatever. REALITY. The South learned that reality. The Weavers learned that reality. Everybody who decides to take on the authorities gun in hand will learn that reality. Shot down like dogs: that's the way it was. That's the way it is. That's the way it will be.

If you want to die on that hill, then fine, go die on that hill. Because you WILL DIE on that hill, and if you go there with your family, you'll probably end up killing them too.

Mourn the Weavers all you like. Ultimately they brought it on themselves.

No, you really don't have the right to go and be a racist separatist living in the American hills with a big pile of guns. You can try, but when the government agents come by, you will remember that you are still on American soil, you are still subject in every respect to the law of the land, and that your shack and your arsenal do not make you an independent nation in any sense. You are as fully answerable to the law and the taxman as anybody living in an apartment in New York City. You may not LIKE it, but if you want to live, you'll remember that.

If you forget it and present force to the government in opposition, then you shall die, probably with your loved ones also.

Ruby Ridge, Waco, all over the land.

Is it good? Doesn't matter if it's good or not. It is what it is. And if you want to live you will bend the knee to that reality.

Vicomte13  posted on  2017-08-22   10:12:34 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#5. To: Vicomte13 (#2)

Randy Weaver and his wife brought death upon themselves and their family by being crackpots who decided that guns would let them secede. Nobody gets to secede. You will bend the knee to the law of the land, or you will die.

I hope you think that applies to traitors who put their first loyalty to a foreign power called The Catholic Church.

Not surprised to see you take the government's side in this. After all,you are nothing more than a statist yourself who loves the idea of being a member of the Borg because you don't have the balls to face life on your own.

sneakypete  posted on  2017-08-22   12:35:33 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#9. To: sneakypete (#5)

I hope you think that applies to traitors who put their first loyalty to a foreign power called The Catholic Church.

Not surprised to see you take the government's side in this. After all,you are nothing more than a statist yourself who loves the idea of being a member of the Borg because you don't have the balls to face life on your own.

My first loyalty is to God. My second loyalty is to my family.

The country is below those two, yes. Always will be. Always should be. Think about all of those Confederates whose monuments are being pulled down. They died for their stupid cause. The names of all but a handful are forgotten, and everything they stood and died for is gone with the wind. The only thing anybody remembers, when they see a monument, is that they went out there and died - and because the living write the history, they are remembered for having gone out and thrown their lives away and bereaved their families all for an evil cause and a country that lasted five years. Heroes? Idiots who traded their lives for a stupid idol.

The same can be said of the Japanese who charged the guns. The Germans who charged across Europe. The crusaders who rode by the Cross to die. Lost causes that mean nothing now. They died. The living inherited the world.

To go and die in somebody else's cause is not glorious. It's stupid.

Vicomte13  posted on  2017-08-22   14:23:54 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#11. To: Vicomte13 (#9)

To go and die in somebody else's cause is not glorious. It's stupid.

Would you include those who died in the Revolutionary War in this characterization?

Many revolts have failed. Many have succeeded. (The difference between a revolt and a revolutions is that a revolution succeeds). It's easy to sit back 150 years after the fact and quarterback the civil war in hindsight, but not so easy to divine the outcome in advance. Though the odds were stacked against them, the south could have won the war. They didn't really even want war. They just wanted independence. It was the North that wanted war to prevent them from doing what he colonies did some 80 years prior, which is universally considered a justified act. So if they declare independence and the North attacks, is it really any more stupid for the south to take up arms in defense than it was for the colonies to take up arms after King George attacked?

Pinguinite  posted on  2017-08-22   16:05:06 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#13. To: Pinguinite (#11)

Would you include those who died in the Revolutionary War in this characterization?

The Revolutionary War was unjustified.

So yes.

Vicomte13  posted on  2017-08-22   16:25:34 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#17. To: Vicomte13 (#13)

The Revolutionary War was unjustified.

I suppose you never read the Declaration of Independence. I am fairly sure you can find a copy somewhere on the Internet to read and understand a number of justifiable reasons.

buckeroo  posted on  2017-08-23   10:55:56 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#20. To: buckeroo (#17)

I am fairly sure you can find a copy somewhere on the Internet to read and understand a number of justifiable reasons.

I've read it, and I see a self-serving political document full of exaggerated and hypocritical claims. I am unpersuaded by its arguments that the American colonists were justified in murdering the authorities.

Vicomte13  posted on  2017-08-23   12:42:17 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#21. To: Vicomte13 (#20)

The "authorities" as you put it, were murderous English bastards controlled by England. There was no representation for and about the colonists, at all in any legal matter.

And you remain "unpersuaded" ... why is that?

buckeroo  posted on  2017-08-23   13:08:10 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#23. To: buckeroo (#21)

The "authorities" as you put it, were murderous English bastards controlled by England. There was no representation for and about the colonists, at all in any legal matter.

So, did the American slaves have the right to revolt and butcher their white masters?

They had neither representation nor legal rights, and were held in slavery by murderous American bastards, and treated far more callously than the English authorities ever treated the American colonists before the war.

Did that give Nat Turner and his followers the right to rebel and massacre as many slaveowners as they could get their hands on?

Vicomte13  posted on  2017-08-24   9:04:23 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#25. To: Vicomte13 (#23)

So, did the American slaves have the right to revolt and butcher their white masters?

Did Martin Luther and his followers have the right to revolt and break away from the tyranny and slavery of the Catholic Church?

So, did the American slaves have the right to revolt and butcher their white masters?

Did the American slaves owned by black masters have the right to revolt and butcher their white masters?

Did the Caribbean slaves and the African slaves imported there and to South America have the right to revolt and murder their Spanish Catholic Priest slave masters?

sneakypete  posted on  2017-08-24   9:19:18 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#27. To: sneakypete (#25)

Did Martin Luther and his followers have the right to revolt and break away from the tyranny and slavery of the Catholic Church?

They had the right to state their objections strongly and depart from the Catholic Church. The Catholic Church had no right to go after them with violence. They, in turn, had no right to go after dissenters in their own ranks with violence, and they had no right to burn witches all over Protestant Europe. Essentially, religious people have no right to hurt people over religion.

So, did the American slaves have the right to revolt and butcher their white masters?

Of course. But they had no right to kill their children.

Did the American slaves owned by black masters have the right to revolt and butcher their black masters?

Of course, in the few instances that happened. But they had no right to kill their children.

Did the Caribbean slaves and the African slaves imported there and to South America have the right to revolt and murder their Spanish Catholic Priest slave masters?

Of course.

Vicomte13  posted on  2017-08-24   16:06:07 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#30. To: Vicomte13 (#27)

Did Martin Luther and his followers have the right to revolt and break away from the tyranny and slavery of the Catholic Church?

They had the right to state their objections strongly and depart from the Catholic Church. The Catholic Church had no right to go after them with violence. They, in turn, had no right to go after dissenters in their own ranks with violence, and they had no right to burn witches all over Protestant Europe. Essentially, religious people have no right to hurt people over religion.

So, did the American slaves have the right to revolt and butcher their white masters?

Of course. But they had no right to kill their children.

Did the American slaves owned by black masters have the right to revolt and butcher their black masters?

Of course, in the few instances that happened. But they had no right to kill their children.

Did the Caribbean slaves and the African slaves imported there and to South America have the right to revolt and murder their Spanish Catholic Priest slave masters?

Of course.

I have to admit it,you surprised me,

Careful,or you will be defrocked,defragged,disembodied,and deprogrammed.

sneakypete  posted on  2017-08-24   22:01:41 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


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