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Title: *BRUTAL TRUTH DEBATE*: Christian vs. Muslim; Christ vs. Muhammad/Bible vs. Koran (Fascinating Listen)
Source: You Tube
URL Source: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CVU3 ... ist&p=8DF2F55C1F8C5A75&index=2
Published: Feb 28, 2008
Author: Dave Hunt
Post Date: 2009-12-13 03:17:12 by Liberator
Keywords: Christianity, Islam, debate
Views: 57881
Comments: 164

This is a debate between Dave Hunt and Shabir Ally in Toronto Canada in 2008. Christianity vs. Islam.

Hunt's credentials and scholarship are impeccable as is his courage. As the author of over 4,000,000 books (of which three I own), you will see and hear him NOT mince any words about the deeply flawed Muhammad, and how deeply flawed the Koran is. No candy-coated PC-Speak here.

He compares and contrasts the Koran vs. Bible convincingly, with conviction and armed with facts. Chances are none of us will ever see another non-compromising debate of this kind ever.

This is Part 3 which blends seamlessly into Part 4, into Part 5 and so on. Hunt's politely yet firmly continues to delve into the stark differences between the two belief systems.

Something to learn for everyone.

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#2. To: All (#0)

If you know the enemy and know yourself, you need not fear the result of a hundred battles. If you know your self but not the enemy, for every victory gained you will also suffer defeat. If you know neither the enemy nor yourself, you will succumb in every battle ~ The Art of War, Sun Tzu

Is terrorism the enemy or is Islam the enemy – “Both” is not an answer.

OriginalGatlin  posted on  2009-12-13   3:43:27 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#4. To: Tater (#2)

The answer is that islam IS terrorism.

Is the concept of "Dar al-islam" and "Dar al-Harb" too complex for your "mind"?

Mad Dog  posted on  2009-12-13   4:16:10 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#5. To: Mad Dog (#4)

The answer is that islam IS terrorism.

Is the concept of "Dar al-islam" and "Dar al-Harb" too complex for your "mind"?

That can't possibly be true.

Do you know the definiton of "terrorism?"

And a stupid, adolescent attempt at sarcasm does nothing for me.

OriginalGatlin  posted on  2009-12-13   4:35:10 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#6. To: Tater (#5)

You are just another ignorant fool or a whore for islam.

Do you even know what islam and it's "holy" books teach about how moo slums MUST treat ALL non- islamic peoples of the world?

Do you even know what islam's own histories say about what it has done to the "dar al-harb"?

It certainly IS true that for ALL non-islamic peoples of the world, and for most islamic peoples of the world, islam IS 'terrorism". (What is the punishment for conversion from islam genius?, how are islam's women and children treated like genius?)

I wouldn't rate your intellect nearly as high as that of even a stoned "adolescent", and I d@mned sure don't care what it "does" for you chump.

Mad Dog  posted on  2009-12-13   4:47:51 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#7. To: Mad Dog (#6)

Islam is a religion – Terrorism is a tactic.

Terrorism is a tactic and not an ideology.

Which means there is no such thing as the “war on terrorism” because you cannot have a “war on a tactic?”

Instead of a “war on terrorism,” there is a “war against Islamic extremists” that uses terrorism as one of their tactics.

This “war” won't go anywhere, though, without some understanding of the motivations of the terrorists.

Why are they employing the tactic of terrorism and what do they hope to achieve?

OriginalGatlin  posted on  2009-12-13   4:53:44 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#8. To: Tater (#7)

I'm NOT going to play semantic games with you.

islam is an ideology that poses as a religion that uses terrorism as a means of conquest and control.

Check out the sites that I cited up thread, TRY learning something about islam then I'll talk with you.

They want to make ALL of the world into "dar al-islam".

TRY reading the d@med koran.

I'll reply to your expected answers sometime tomorrow, you caught me as I was going out the door.

Mad Dog  posted on  2009-12-13   5:12:07 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#10. To: Mad Dog (#8)

I'll reply to your expected answers sometime tomorrow, you caught me as I was going out the door.

… “expected answers” …

Please don't be surprised when the answers you “expect” do not arrive – and don’t bother to wait for them.

The norm for the practice of social intercourse prohibits me from accepting a bully’s claim that his views are correct or that he has the right to expect anything - because he simply thinks he has the strength and propensity to violence, to attack a poster’s comments.

Therefore, I cannot exchange thoughts and opinions with you until you learn to develop and to exhibit a tone of civility in your approach to sharing information.

Should you have an interest in conducting an intelligent discussion, then I will join you in that and you may now make your attempt at a courteous exchange.

However, if you are interested in continuing to act like an a**, then you are doing an excellent job and you can continue alone in your quest to exceed your current level - and move on to achieve far greater supremacy, but you will do that with someone other than me.

In closing, may I say that evidence of the arrogance you display is exceeded only by your attempt at the use of fevered language.

Good luck – Sir - I wish you well.

OriginalGatlin  posted on  2009-12-13   6:10:34 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#16. To: Tater (#10)

MD; I'll reply to your expected answers sometime tomorrow, you caught me as I was going out the door.

T; … “expected answers” …

Please don't be surprised when the answers you “expect” do not arrive – and don’t bother to wait for them.

The norm for the practice of social intercourse prohibits me from accepting a bully’s claim that his views are correct or that he has the right to expect anything - because he simply thinks he has the strength and propensity to violence, to attack a poster’s comments.

Therefore, I cannot exchange thoughts and opinions with you until you learn to develop and to exhibit a tone of civility in your approach to sharing information.

Should you have an interest in conducting an intelligent discussion, then I will join you in that and you may now make your attempt at a courteous exchange.

However, if you are interested in continuing to act like an a**, then you are doing an excellent job and you can continue alone in your quest to exceed your current level - and move on to achieve far greater supremacy, but you will do that with someone other than me.

In closing, may I say that evidence of the arrogance you display is exceeded only by your attempt at the use of fevered language.

Good luck – Sir - I wish you well.

Sigh ...

I meant that I expected you to answer. I made no comment on what you would answer with. I'm not God, I can't see the future.

"Bully"? Why because you pull your ideas about what islam is out of thin air and I have actually READ about it and I actually know what it's history and dogma and traditional practices are and I object to your ignorant nonsense re: islam?

When you want to discuss things it is adult behavior to actually know FACTS about the subject.

It is not a matter of me being "superior" it is about the actual FACTS vice the absolutely brain dead sheeple delusions about a very great threat to US ALL.

I don't give a rusty F if you are offended by me b!tch slapping you with the TRUTH.

Maybe that will wake you up?

What is truly ARROGANT is talking bullsh!t in a life and death matter and then posing as the wronged and offended party when you get called on it.

Grow F ing up.

I also don't give a rusty F if you don't care for my vocabulary and syntax.

"Don't call me Sir, my parents were married."

Mad Dog  posted on  2009-12-13   15:54:20 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#19. To: Mad Dog (#16)

"Don't call me Sir, my parents were married."

To each other?

OriginalGatlin  posted on  2009-12-13   16:24:34 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#22. To: Tater (#19)

Real nice "argument" a$$wipe.

It takes no effort at all to live "up" to your "standards" eh HYPOCRITE?

At least, unlike you a$$wipe, I know who my parents are.

Mad Dog  posted on  2009-12-13   16:43:24 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#23. To: Mad Dog (#22)

As you search for the reality, may you find strength
and solace to comprehend this profound revelation.
Let yourself cry knowing each tear is a note of love
rising to the heavens above. Learn to lean on your
friends for strength and support to avoid unilateral or
selective reaction as you continue your burden in life.

OriginalGatlin  posted on  2009-12-13   18:22:47 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#26. To: Tater (#23)

You TRYING to lecture me then acting worse than I have has a name.

"Do as I say, NOT as I DO" is called HYPOCRISY.

Keep your attempts to pose as having ANY sort of "moral" superiority aimed at small children and dumb animals, you mealy mouthed hypocrite, they will believe you.

Mad Dog  posted on  2009-12-13   19:05:47 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#27. To: Mad Dog (#26)

Ignore the insulting tongue. Duck the provoking blow. Run from the assault of the strong.
The wild boar runs from the tiger, knowing that each be well-armed by nature with deadly strength, may kill the other.
Running, he saves his own life and that of the tiger. This is not cowardice. It is the love of life.
-- Master Kahn

OriginalGatlin  posted on  2009-12-13   19:12:13 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#28. To: Tater (#27)

"You TRYING to lecture me then acting worse than I have has a name.

"Do as I say, NOT as I DO" is called HYPOCRISY.

Keep your attempts to pose as having ANY sort of "moral" superiority aimed at small children and dumb animals, you mealy mouthed hypocrite, they will believe you."

Btw; how's your study of islam going hypocrite?

Mad Dog  posted on  2009-12-13   19:15:00 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#29. To: Mad Dog (#28)

If you plant rice, rice will grow. If you plant fear, fear will grow. – Caine

OriginalGatlin  posted on  2009-12-13   19:17:07 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#30. To: Tater (#29)

"TRUTH is an ABSOLUTE defense."

"Veritas nunquam perit." - Truth never dies.

"Fiat justitia ruat caelum."

Mad Dog  posted on  2009-12-13   19:30:54 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#31. To: Mad Dog (#30)

"TRUTH is an ABSOLUTE defense."

What is truth?

Truth has been one of the largest topics of discussion for thousands of years.

The problem with truth is that in a way it is not easy to state: what truths are, and what (if anything) makes them true.

But this simple statement masks a great deal of controversy.

There is a metaphysical problem of truth and what kind of theory might address it.

The standing issue in the theory of truth: What makes truth – be true?

If I never lie again, can I be the same me as I was before? -- Alethea
Each waking moment is as a rung on an endless ladder. Each step we take is built on what has gone before. -- Caine

OriginalGatlin  posted on  2009-12-13   20:18:37 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


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#33. To: Tater (#31)

I sent you a message.

mel  posted on  2009-12-13 20:25:58 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#34. To: Tater (#31)

What is truth?

LOL! It SO Figures that YOU would paraphrase Pontious pilot, esp in the context of THIS particular "discussion".

It is such a blatant attempt to change the subject in this context.

What does the koran say? What is the actual Arabic text? What does islam teach? What do the imams teach/preach? What is islam's dogma? What is islam's self stated history? What do the actual islamic source documents say?

ALL of the answers to these particular questions are a matter of obvious FACT. They are NOT in any honest dispute, esp. on any "metaphysical" basis.

If you questioned the existence of God, or of al ha ha, you would have a point. But this is a very simple matter.

The TRUTH is that you either don't know a d@mned thing about islam, or you are a liar who has a pro moo slum/islam agenda, and are interested in hiding the TRUTH about islam. I guess that you might just be a mentally limited person also?

But any way that you cut it, all in all, it is a VERY clumsy, and lame attempt, to change the subject.

But you have already shown that you are not an intellectually honest person here.

LOL!

LAME!

Mad Dog  posted on  2009-12-13 20:44:52 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


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