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Title: Poll: Strong majority opposes removing Confederate monuments
Source: HotAir
URL Source: http://hotair.com/archives/2017/08/ ... emoving-confederate-monuments/
Published: Aug 17, 2017
Author: Allahpundit
Post Date: 2017-08-17 16:38:15 by Tooconservative
Keywords: None
Views: 179
Comments: 5

There’s a reason Steve Bannon loves this issue.
“President Trump, by asking, ‘Where does this all end’ — Washington, Jefferson, Lincoln — connects with the American people about their history, culture and traditions,” he said.

“The race-identity politics of the left wants to say it’s all racist,” Mr. Bannon added. “Just give me more. Tear down more statues. Say the revolution is coming. I can’t get enough of it.”

He’s got a strong useful wedge here if he and Trump can keep opinions about removing monuments and opinions about the alt-right distinct. That was a missed opportunity on Saturday. Trump could have used his statement to attack the Nazis for tainting an otherwise defensible position — leaving Confederate memorials in place — by their association with it, making it that much easier for critics to dismiss the anti-removal view as a white-supremacist hobbyhorse. (Trump did a better job focusing on the statue debate without dragging the alt-right into it this morning. but the context of the last few days spoils the effort.) Fortunately for him, Democrats may bail him out by stupidly making statues their cause celebre instead of the president’s softballing of the “very fine people” marching alongside the swastika on Saturday.

New from YouGov:

Thirty percent at least somewhat approve of the decision to take the Lee statue down but 48 percent at least somewhat disapprove. Democrats can only manage 42 percent in favor, and even a large minority of blacks don’t much care what happens to the statue. Marist, meanwhile, conducted its own poll in which it asked not about the Lee statute in Charlottesville specifically but about Confederate monuments generally. Support for leaving the monuments alone was even stronger in this case:

The split among blacks this time was 44/40 — in favor of keeping the statues. On the one hand, the results of both polls are amazing coming so soon after the fracas in Charlottesville. If ever you’d expect to see a backlash to Confederate memorials, it’d be immediately after white nationalists had a torchlight parade around one and then held a rally at which one of their own ran over a bunch of protesters. But there’s no backlash. Even Trump’s hamhanded conflation of preserving the statues and the “very fine people” on his side of the issue last weekend in Virginia didn’t damage public opposition to removing the monuments.

On the other hand, note that neither poll tests for how intense people’s views are. Most who want to take a wrecking ball to memorials (or at least have them uprooted and moved) are, almost by definition, pretty passionate about their view. The same might not be true of people who want to leave them alone. There may be a great many “soft” statue supporters who’ll tolerate General Lee as part of the scenery because they don’t care a whole lot either way and would prefer to let old disputes lie. If that’s true then the anti-statue faction may meet less resistance than you might expect from these numbers. (It’s almost certainly true within the Democratic Party, I’d bet.) Needless to say, geography matters too. If the pro-statue faction is spread out across the north and west of the U.S. while the anti-statue faction is stronger in the south where most of the memorials actually are, local tastes may dictate removal more often than you’d imagine after seeing these results.

These are moving targets, though. The more neo-Nazis assert themselves publicly to become the face of preserving the statues, the more they’ll polarize opinion. One incident in Charlottesville didn’t do it but the pressure will rise if and when these incidents accumulate. The same goes for indiscriminate idol-smashing on the left, like wanting to strip George Washington’s name off of public parks. “You cannot be against General Lee and be for General Washington, there literally is no difference between the two men,” read an email forwarded yesterday by Trump’s lawyer, John Dowd. That’s stupid and untrue, and an insult to Washington, but as I said last night, the more the left tries to make Lee a package deal with Washington, the more fencesitters will decide that they’ll accept that package as the price of protecting the Founder’s legacy.

In lieu of an exit question, read Kevin Williamson on the case for leaving the monuments alone. “[T]he conquering North indulged Southern jealousy of Southern honor for a pretty good reason: the desire for peace,” he notes. Most still oppose removing the monuments today for the same reason, I suspect. Given a choice between “refighting” the Civil War and leaving the local landscape as-is, inertia wins.


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Bannon seems to be right about how to play this.

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#1. To: Tooconservative (#0)

Poll: Strong majority opposes removing Confederate monuments

Ok,that's the kiss of death for the Confederate Monuments. This country is ruled by the minorities. If you don't have gold teef and 200 dollar sneakers you don't count.

In the entire history of the world,the only nations that had to build walls to keep their own citizens from leaving were those with leftist governments.

sneakypete  posted on  2017-08-17   19:13:26 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#2. To: sneakypete (#1)

I think you overestimate the Left's influence on middle America.

Middle America didn't like Occupy and they don't like Antifa.

How the heck do you think we got Trump as prez? Something was boiling out there, more than just disgust for a return of the Xlinton machine to the WH.

Tooconservative  posted on  2017-08-17   19:57:58 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#3. To: Tooconservative (#2) (Edited)

I think you overestimate the Left's influence on middle America.

I don't. They control the media,and the media now controls our government.

We are on the downhill slide towards revolution now,and I see no way to avoid it. The left has recruited minorities to do the fighting and dying for them,so they want it to happen NOW,not later.

I STRONGLY encourage everyone to start compiling lists of who is naughty and who is nice because win OR lose,one day in the near future the leftist "brain trust" will have to emerge from their estates in foreign countries to come back and either take control of head up the political resistance,and THAT is the time to bring out the gallows and ropes.

Or maybe rat poison,bear traps,scoped rifles,or knives. Whatever works best for you.

One thing you can absolutely count on is that NONE of the 1st line leftists are EVER going to get anywhere near any actual fighting,and they aren't going to allow THEIR families to suffer from their actions,either. They have money,they have private jets,and they have yachts they can live on to avoid the rabble and the conflicts they cause. Sooner or later they will have to return to seize power and gloat,or start over again,though. That is the time to make them active participants.

In the entire history of the world,the only nations that had to build walls to keep their own citizens from leaving were those with leftist governments.

sneakypete  posted on  2017-08-18   9:28:26 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#4. To: sneakypete (#3)

Meh. I've heard this Civil War II talk for 30 years. Nothing ever happens or even looks like it might happen.

The Right is a pack of very well-armed pussies. Fortunately, the Left is almost entirely unarmed.

A lot more realistic assessment there if you think about it.

Tooconservative  posted on  2017-08-18   10:08:38 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#5. To: Tooconservative (#4)

Meh. I've heard this Civil War II talk for 30 years. Nothing ever happens or even looks like it might happen.

Only because sanity prevails on the right,and fear prevails on the left.

The left lets the pot come up to a simmer,and once the right-wing anger gets to the boiling point,they turn around and run for their lives. It is the reason the left is so committed to disarming citizens.

Until the next time.

The old "Two steps forward,one step back approach to "compromise".

Which always works until it doesn't work anymore,and that's when it starts to get real.

In the entire history of the world,the only nations that had to build walls to keep their own citizens from leaving were those with leftist governments.

sneakypete  posted on  2017-08-18   10:51:42 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


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