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Title: Rand Paul just blocked the defense bill, and John McStain is not happy about it
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Published: Jul 29, 2017
Author: Rare
Post Date: 2017-07-29 17:39:13 by Anthem
Keywords: war authorization
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Sen. Rand Paul (R-Ky.) is calling for a debate on rolling back authorizations for the use of military force that began during the George W. Bush administration.
Paul objected to a consent request from Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell, R-Ky., to begin defense authorization debate. Paul wants to offer amendments to the defense policy bill.
According to a Tweet from Paul’s senior strategist, Doug Stafford, one of Paul’s amendments would seek to end the Authorization for Use of Military Force.
“Senator Rand Paul requested two bipartisan amendments, one on ending indefinite detention and one on AUMF’s,” Stafford said.
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“He looks forward to working with leadership and the committee to get this done soon. What he got last night were vague promises, which have been ignored for several years on this bill. So he objected while it is worked out,” Stafford concluded.
Paul has consistently stated that the congressional authority of war must be restored, introducing an amendment to the 2016 defense spending bill stating that a President cannot use “vague, out-of-date authorities to send our troops to war.”
“One generation cannot bind another generation to perpetual war,” Paul said in a 2016 op-ed for Time magazine. “Our Constitution mandates that war be authorized by Congress. Period.”
“My colleagues who have taken an oath to uphold the Constitution should support my amendment or at least have the decency to debate it,” Paul wrote.
“Think about it for a moment,” Paul said. “These original authorizations were passed back when some of the men and women fighting in our current conflicts were still small children. No president—including this president—deserves this kind of extra-constitutional power.”
“The sacrifice we ask of our soldiers also deserves more respect. Re-examining the proper legal relationship over congressional vs. executive authority is long overdue,” Paul insisted.
Senator McCain, on the other hand, was not pleased with Paul’s objection.
“For 55 years in a row, Congress has passed the National Defense Authorization Act, which provides our men and women in uniform with the resources, capabilities, and pay and benefits that they need to perform their missions on behalf of the American people and keep our country safe,” McCain said in a press release on Friday. “This legislation is more vital than ever. Global terrorist networks, increasing great power competition with Russia and China, malign Iranian influence spreading across the Middle East, a North Korean dictator racing to acquire missiles that can hit the United States with nuclear weapons—the threats to our national security have not been more complex or daunting than at any time in the past seven decades.”
“It is unfortunate that one senator chose to block consideration of a bill our nation needs right now,” McCain continued. “We must uphold our solemn obligation to provide for the common defense and give our men and women in uniform the training, equipment, and resources they need to defend the nation. Our brave service members — many now serving in harm’s way — deserve nothing less,” McCain concluded.
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I thought that's what the Senate was supposed to do -- debate bills before they pass them. D'oh!
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“It is unfortunate that one senator chose to block consideration of a bill our nation needs right now,” McCain continued.
The Stain says this only a day after he alone blocked any chance at repealing 0bamaCare (for which he voted regularly back when 0bama was in office).
Can't the Stain just die already?
On the substance, Rand is right. They are still using the old AUFs from the Bush era after 9/11, just like 0bama did when he used those 9/11 AUFs to wade into the final destruction of Libya as a functioning nation.
The Stain would probably just prefer that we have have a permanent declared war on Planet Earth. That is his fundamental position. And he's such a whiny bitch when anyone points it out.
#2. To: Anthem (#0)
“This legislation is more vital than ever. Global terrorist networks, increasing great power competition with Russia and China"
McCain wants war with Russia and China without authorisation by Congress. This will be his legacy.
#3. To: Tooconservative (#1)
Well said.
#4. To: Tooconservative (#1)
The Stain says this only a day after he alone blocked any chance at repealing 0bamaCare (for which he voted regularly back when 0bama was in office).
Words fail me.
#5. To: misterwhite, A Pole (#4) (Edited)
You know what is worrying the Stain: these AUMFs are still being used to deploy special forces and air and intel assets in Syria.
Stain is very afraid that his efforts to turn this civil war in Syria into WW III are in jeopardy.
In the end, Rand will probably introduce his defense bill amendments and they'll get voted down again. However, we can still hope that McStain will have a stroke and die on the Senate floor as his own personal final filibuster.
#6. To: Anthem (#0)
"Paul has consistently stated that the congressional authority of war must be restored ..."
Hah! Congress is petrified that voters might hold them accountable for anything they vote on, with "going to war" being their least favorite action.
#7. To: Tooconservative (#5)
" McStain will have a stroke and die on the Senate floor as his own personal final filibuster. "
More likely, have a stroke while he & Graham are in the sack. Only question, is who will be on top, and who on bottom, LOL !!!
Si vis pacem, para bellum
Rebellion to tyrants is obedience to God.
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I am concerned for the security of our great nation; not so much because of any threat from without, but because of the insidious forces working from within." -- General Douglas MacArthur
#8. To: Tooconservative (#5)
However, we can still hope that McStain will have a stroke and die on the Senate floor as his own personal final filibuster.
I'm guessing that's the real reason Rand offered the amendments.
#9. To: Anthem (#0)
I don't agree with McClain on everything but he is 100 % right in this case. Rand and his dad, if they were in charge, would have America so weak that we couldn't fight our way out of a paper bag. They will never get my vote.
#10. To: Stoner (#7)
More likely, have a stroke while he & Graham are in the sack. Only question, is who will be on top, and who on bottom
Thanks for the repulsive, nausea-inducing image pal.
Excuse me, I need to go throw up.
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#11. To: Tooconservative, Anthem (#1)
On the substance, Rand is right. They are still using the old AUFs from the Bush era after 9/11, just like 0bama did when he used those 9/11 AUFs to wade into the final destruction of Libya as a functioning nation.
Note that the scope of the actual AUMF is limited to Iraq.
AUMF, 16 Oct 2002, HJ Res 114, PL 107-323, 116 Stat 1498
Joint ResolutionTo authorize the use of United States Armed Forces against Iraq.
[...]
SECTION 1. SHORT TITLE.
This joint resolution may be cited as the ‘‘Authorization for Use of Military Force Against Iraq Resolution of 2002’’.
SEC. 2. SUPPORT FOR UNITED STATES DIPLOMATIC EFFORTS.
The Congress of the United States supports the efforts by the President to—
(1) strictly enforce through the United Nations Security Council all relevant Security Council resolutions regarding Iraq and encourages him in those efforts; and
(2) obtain prompt and decisive action by the Security Council to ensure that Iraq abandons its strategy of delay, evasion and noncompliance and promptly and strictly complies with all relevant Security Council resolutions regarding Iraq.
SEC. 3. AUTHORIZATION FOR USE OF UNITED STATES ARMED FORCES.
(a) AUTHORIZATION.—The President is authorized to use the Armed Forces of the United States as he determines to be necessary and appropriate in order to—
(1) defend the national security of the United States against the continuing threat posed by Iraq; and
(2) enforce all relevant United Nations Security Council resolutions regarding Iraq.
(b) PRESIDENTIAL DETERMINATION.—In connection with the exercise of the authority granted in subsection (a) to use force the President shall, prior to such exercise or as soon thereafter as may be feasible, but no later than 48 hours after exercising such authority, make available to the Speaker of the House of Representatives and the President pro tempore of the Senate his determination that—
(1) reliance by the United States on further diplomatic or other peaceful means alone either (A) will not adequately protect the national security of the United States against the continuing threat posed by Iraq or (B) is not likely to lead to enforcement of all relevant United Nations Security Council resolutions regarding Iraq; and
(2) acting pursuant to this joint resolution is consistent with the United States and other countries continuing to take the necessary actions against international terrorist and terrorist organizations, including those nations, organizations, or persons who planned, authorized, committed or aided the terrorist attacks that occurred on September 11, 2001.
(c) WAR POWERS RESOLUTION REQUIREMENTS.—
(1) SPECIFIC STATUTORY AUTHORIZATION.—Consistent with section 8(a)(1) of the War Powers Resolution, the Congress declares that this section is intended to constitute specific statutory authorization within the meaning of section 5(b) of the War Powers Resolution.
(2) APPLICABILITY OF OTHER REQUIREMENTS.—Nothing in this joint resolution supersedes any requirement of the War Powers Resolution.
SEC. 4. REPORTS TO CONGRESS.
(a) REPORTS.—The President shall, at least once every 60 days, submit to the Congress a report on matters relevant to this joint resolution, including actions taken pursuant to the exercise of authority granted in section 3 and the status of planning for efforts that are expected to be required after such actions are completed, including those actions described in section 7 of the Iraq Liberation Act of 1998 (Public Law 105–338).
#12. To: nolu chan, Anthem (#11) (Edited)
AUMF, 16 Oct 2002, HJ Res 114, PL 107-323, 116 Stat 1498 ...blah-blah-blah...
That was the Iraq AUMF (which they are also still using).
The big one is the original one after 9/11.
Authorization for Use of Military Force Against Terrorists, 9/14/2001
"According to a report by the Congressional Research Service, published May 11, 2016, at that time the 2001 AUMF had been cited 37 times in connection with actions in 14 countries and on the high seas. The report stated that "Of the 37 occurrences, 18 were made during the Bush Administration, and 19 have been made during the Obama Administration." The countries that were mentioned in the report included Afghanistan, Cuba (Guantanamo Bay), Djibouti, Eritrea, Ethiopia, Georgia, Iraq, Kenya, Libya, Philippines, Somalia, Syria and Yemen."
| Preamble Joint Resolution To authorize the use of United States Armed Forces against those responsible for the recent attacks launched against the United States.
Section 1 – Short Title This joint resolution may be cited as the 'Authorization for Use of Military Force'. Section 2 – Authorization For Use of United States Armed Forces (a) IN GENERAL- That the President is authorized to use all necessary and appropriate force against those nations, organizations, or persons he determines planned, authorized, committed, or aided the terrorist attacks that occurred on September 11, 2001, or harbored such organizations or persons, in order to prevent any future acts of international terrorism against the United States by such nations, organizations or persons. (b) War Powers Resolution Requirements-
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Like I said, Rand is right. It's like they are trying to still use FDR's declaration of war against Japan to keep fighting wars around the world.
Rand has tried to stop this before. How long do they get away with starting fresh wars based on an anti-terrorism AUMF, passed in the shock of attack only 3 days after 9/11, to use the military in unrelated actions all over the world that have no connection to the 9/11 attack?
Of course the Stain is opposed to any requirements of a president to come to Congress to derive authority for his war powers. Just use that old one that they cobbled together 15 years ago for 9/11 revenge and use it to attack anywhere and everywhere.
#13. To: Anthem (#0)
" John McStain is not happy "
TFB !!!!
Si vis pacem, para bellum
Rebellion to tyrants is obedience to God.
Never Pick A Fight With An Old Man He Will Just Shoot You He Can't Afford To Get Hurt
I am concerned for the security of our great nation; not so much because of any threat from without, but because of the insidious forces working from within." -- General Douglas MacArthur
#14. To: interpreter, Anthem (#9)
I don't agree with McClain on everything but he is 100 % right in this case.
Songbird McCain would have us fight eternal war, making the MIC incredibly wealthy and powerful, while greatly weakening the country with $20T in debt.
What has been the military mission in the expensive wars we have been fighting? We freed Iraq from non-existent WMD? What did we accomplish there or elsewhere with total military victory?
#15. To: interpreter, tater, weakest on defense, insane too, *Neo-Lib Chickenhawk Wars* (#9)
America so weak that we couldn't fight our way out of a paper bag.
If you and Gatlin had succeeded in electing McCain president in '08, you'd now be speaking Chinese, and Alaska and Canada would be speaking Russian.
The D&R terrorists hate us because we're free, to vote second party
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