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Title: Storage Cubby “Criminals”
Source: Eric Peters Autos
URL Source: https://www.ericpetersautos.com/2017/07/19/storage-cubby-criminals/
Published: Jul 19, 2017
Author: Eric
Post Date: 2017-07-20 06:35:56 by Deckard
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You may be aware that cops can simply steal – yes, that’s exactly the correct word – cash found on your person or in your vehicle, in the course of a traffic stop, say – solely on account of it being an “excessive” amount.

“Excessive” being entirely up to them to define.

It could be $10,000 – or $1,000. There is no specific amount of cash defined by statute that crosses a legal threshold. Thus, one cannot know ahead of time not to carry, say, $5,000 – but $500 is ok.

It is enough that a government worker with a gun considers whatever cash you are found to have in your possession “excessive.”

And these armed government workers can legally steal it from you on the basis of the cash being the presumptive – but not proved – fruits of some illegal activity, usually imputed to be the selling or buying of arbitrarily illegal drugs.

This bears repeating – it need not be proved in a court of law that the money found was obtained illegally.

It is not even necessary to formally charge a person to legally steal their money – provided the thief is an armed government worker stealing it on behalf of the government.

Interestingly, these armed government workers prefer to be called law enforcement, even when they aren’t enforcing any known laws and are in fact abusing the law  – it being legal to possess cash and transport cash. This of course matters not at all when armed government workers decide they want your cash. Then, they just take it.

That is, steal it.

How else to describe it?

And you are powerless – legally – to do a thing about it.

Perhaps, later – at your expense, both of time and money – you will be able to prove your innocence of drug trafficking to the satisfaction of a judge and he may return your money. But it is no longer necessary for a court to establish your guilt.

This is not new – or news.

Here is something that’s both:

It has been proposed that if an armed government worker finds a “hidden compartment” in your vehicle, you be sent to prison for two years and your vehicle forfeit to the state. Nothing illegal need be in the hidden compartment. It is sufficient merely that it exists.

“Presumptive”  evidence that you are trying to hide something.

Like an “excessive” amount of cash, say?

The irony is sickening.

On the one hand, the state has de facto (but not de jure) criminalized the physical possession of “excessive” amounts of cash. This fact makes it risky as hell to – as a for-instance – go to look at a used car with an “excessive” amount of cash on your person – even though used car shopping with cash (a reasonable thing to do; the sight of cash on the barrelhead often helping to facilitate a good deal on the vehicle) is still perfectly legal.

So, you install a hidden compartment to hide the cash from the armed government workers. Now you are to be sent to prison for that – even if no legal cash is found and no trace of arbitrarily illegal drugs is found.

The cubby itself is now criminal!

The proposed law (see here) defines the mere presence of a “hidden compartment” as “prima facie evidence” that a car is being used as a mechanical mule to cart around illegal drugs – or legal but “excessive” cash.  

That’s all the pretext they need to steal your car – and your person. Two years in prison (five, for a “second offense”) solely because your vehicle is found to have a “hidden compartment.”

Many of which are factory installed, by the way.

One of the potential horrors of this business is the fact that many new cars – especially SUVs but also ordinary sedans – have “hidden compartments” built in, for the entirely crazy reason that people like to put valuable things – and not just cash – in an out-of-sight place.

A legally owned handgun, for example.

Do you suppose there is any chance of high IQ and always fair and reasonable armed government workers being familiar with the various factory installed “hidden compartments” – and able to tell the difference between one of those and one installed by an owner?

Do you suppose the same armed government workers who routinely steal people’s lawfully possessed cash merely by eructing the magic word – “excessive!” – which is defined in no law book anywhere – will fail to seize a juicy $40,000 vehicle when they find a “hidden compartment” – whether installed by you or General Motors?

Remember: It is not required that you be charged or convicted for the state to seize your money. It is up to you and me to prove – after the fact – that the money didn’t come into our possession via illegal drugs.

Sentence first – verdict afterward!

It is not hyperventilative – given this ugly reality – to imagine that it will be up to us to prove that a factory-installed “hidden compartment” was in fact installed by GM – and not by us.

After our $40,000 vehicle has been taken from us. Perhaps from our prison cell.

And why the hell should it be a felony to install a “hidden compartment” in our vehicles, if we wish to do so? There are reasonable, lawful reasons for wanting to have such compartments.

Up to this moment, the government decreed modifications to a vehicle to be illegal only if they affected the emissions output or safety of the vehicle – or the safety of other people. So, as an example, it is not legal to remove a catalytic converter or mount aircraft landing lights on the roof a car. But a “hidden compartment” does not harm the environment and threatens no one’s safety – and unless something illegal is found in the “hidden compartment,” criminalizing the compartment itself is a blinding assault on whatever threadbare remnants of personal liberty remain to us.

The precedent set could easily be expanded to our homes. Why not? What possible reason would stand in the way?

Does anyone care?

Americans should be in the streets. They should have been in the streets years ago. But that would take Americans who take exception to being robbed in the streets by armed government workers – and such Americans don’t seem to exist anymore.

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#1. To: Deckard (#0)

Deckard, you certainly make a point.

Now here's the counterpoint: We don't like the idea of the cops taking our money without conviction. That's true. We all fear, or should fear, being wrongfully accused and losing our property and our liberty to corrupt officials.

But we generally fear violent crime much more than that. We fear people bursting into our homes and taking our things and killing us and our families. We fear our wives and children being attacked.

There is no question that having a lot of police around diminishes our personal liberty, and we don't like that. But there is also no question that there is a LOT of violent crime and property crime, and that a lot of that is committed by people crazy on drugs.

THAT is why we maintain the drug laws: because people who are crazy on drugs do crazy, violent things that destroy our families and steal our property.

Now, many of us have heard the argument that it is the drug laws themselves that cause the economic costs of drugs to be so high that people engage in crime, both property crime and organized crime. And that may be so.

That's an argument used to legalize drugs, to compare drug prohibition to alcohol prohibition, and to point out that prohibition makes things worse. As I said, that might be so.

Trouble is, that doesn't address the other, bigger fear that most people have about drugs: violent crimes committed by drug-crazed wackos.

Drunk drivers hurt people, no doubt, and drunks beat their wives and get into fights. Alcoholics are addicted to alcohol, and it's pretty ugly, bad and destructive for people all around them. But what alcoholics DON'T do is display feats of wired-up superhuman strength, take off all of their clothes and try to eat people's faces off.

All of us have seen drug-addicted crazies. We have all seen the intensity of the need, and the crazed eyes, and realized that people in that state are not themselves. We've all seen drunks too, but we're not afraid of casual drunks, because casual drunks are probably not going to hurt us. We know what that looks like. We know what drug-crazed looks like too, and we are afraid of that. That can - and often does - hurt us.

We've also seen the visible decline of people we've all known who have become drug addicts to marijuana and other drugs. We've all also drunk alcohol, and seen plenty of drunk people, and known and been related to drunks. We all see, sense and know the difference.

Most people have tried pot, and THEY know the difference between pot and alcohol, that these two effects are not the same.

As a people, we KNOW that the sort of violent, crazed attack that we all fear comes primarily from people whose minds have been blown by drugs.

Even with drugs illegal this happens, which is why we think we need police. We imagine that if drugs are legal and easier to get, there will be MORE violent crazies walking around, we'll need MORE police.

So, we get that police are an intrusion on our liberty, and that there are more than a few corrupt cops. Most of us don't love the police. Most of us don't love medicine either, and we recognize that it has side effects. But we engage in the trade off of medicine and police forces because the alternative - getting attacked and killed by a proliferation of drug-crazed human zombies, is worse than having some police abuse out there and worse than the loss of some liberty.

Vicomte13  posted on  2017-07-20   10:05:31 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#2. To: Vicomte13 (#1)

I'm pretty much in agreement here. I'm not afraid of crazy druggies though. I'm a big big strong.guy so I'm not afraid.. In the least.

A K A Stone  posted on  2017-07-20   10:22:43 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#3. To: Deckard (#0)

It's just gotten worse

www.nbcnews.com/news/us-n...ons-removes-restrictions- controversial-police-seizures-n784476

Thanks gop voters!

"we are tartets from evil doers!!!" [ and ] U looked up birfer on the dcitionary. It isn't a movie.

"Listen piece of shit. Call me anti American again and your're banned. I don't like you." - aka stoned -

Jameson  posted on  2017-07-20   12:27:21 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#4. To: Vicomte13 (#1)

"As highlighted by the latest edition of the European Drug Report, Estonia is the country with the most drug-induced deaths per million population in Europe. At 103, 82 above the EU average, only Sweden comes close with 100 deaths. At the other end of the scale, Portugal, where drugs were decriminalised back in 2001, had only 6 per million people. Looking outside of Europe, Estonia's problems are pulled into sharp relief by the rate in the United States. In 2016, there were a staggering 185 deaths per million."

Anthem  posted on  2017-07-20   16:10:11 ET  (1 image) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#5. To: Anthem (#4)

"At the other end of the scale, Portugal, where drugs were decriminalized back in 2001, had only 6 per million people."

Boy, that sounds like a strong argument for drug decriminalization. And it was intended to.

The fly in the ointment is that the NEXT-lowest country on the list, France - vastly larger, more populous, more developed and more diverse country than Portugal - has among the most repressive anti-drug laws in Europe.

So the repressive laws = drug deaths thought is not supported by the data.

Now let's look at a different metric.

These are those same countries in the above list, ranked by how Catholic they are:

Estonia 3%

Sweden 2%

Norway 2%

Ireland 88%

UK 15%

Denmark 1%

Finland 1%

Germany 31%

EU Average 48%

Netherlands 22%

Spain 67%

Italy 90%

France 54%

Portugal 88%

With the notable exception of Ireland (whose problems with addictive and violent behavior are known), Catholicism is a very good inverse metric for drug deaths. The more Catholic a country in Europe is, the fewer druggies there are.

Now the truth: Where there is heavy drug use, it is because the people are unmoored and unhappy. The more moored the individual is to family and faith, the less likely s/he is to become a drifter and fall into drug addiction.

Except for the Irish, whose lives are a particularly grey and poverty- stricken form of grim and who will get addicted to turpentine if there's nothing else available.

Vicomte13  posted on  2017-07-20   18:09:42 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#6. To: A K A Stone (#2)

I'm pretty much in agreement here. I'm not afraid of crazy druggies though. I'm a big big strong.guy so I'm not afraid.. In the least.

I'm not afraid of them myself. I am afraid of what they can do to my family if I'm not there.

Vicomte13  posted on  2017-07-20   18:10:37 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


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