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Title: CIA Agent Confesses On Deathbed: 'We Blew Up WTC7 On 9/11'
Source: Your News Wire
URL Source: http://yournewswire.com/cia-911-wtc7/
Published: Jul 15, 2017
Author: Baxter Dmitry
Post Date: 2017-07-15 11:46:40 by Hondo68
Keywords: Follow the money, classic controlled demolition, many loose ends
Views: 51264
Comments: 108

CIA agent confesses to blowing up WTC7 on 9/11

79-year-old retired CIA agent, Malcom Howard, has made a series of astonishing claims since being released from hospital in New Jersey on Friday and told he has weeks to live. Mr. Howard claims he was involved in the “controlled demolition” of World Trade Center 7, the third building that was destroyed on 9/11.

Mr. Howard, who worked for the CIA for 36 years as an operative, claims he was tapped by senior CIA agents to work on the project due to his engineering background, and early career in the demolition business.

Trained as a civil engineer, Mr. Howard became an explosives expert after being headhunted by the CIA in early 1980s. Mr. Howard says has extensive experience in planting explosives in items as small as cigarette lighters and as large as “80 floor buildings.

The 79-year-old New Jersey native says he worked on the CIA operation they dubbed “New Century” between May 1997 and September 2001, during a time he says the CIA “was still taking orders from the top.” Mr. Howard says he was part of a cell of 4 operatives tasked with ensuring the demolition was successful.

Mr. Howard says the World Trade Center 7 operation is unique among his demolitions, as it is the only demolition that “we had to pretend wasn’t a demolition job”. He claims he had no problem going through with the deception at the time, because “when you are a patriot, you don’t question the motivation of the CIA or the White House. You assume the bigger purpose is for a greater good. They pick good, loyal people like me, and it breaks my heart to hear the shit talk.

[John Kerry Admits WTC 7 Was Brought Down By Controlled Demolition]

But even he admits that now, looking back, “Something wasn’t right.”

No good has come from this. This isn’t the America we envisioned.”

Explaining how the building was bought down, Mr. Howard says, “It was a classic controlled demolition with explosives. We used super-fine military grade nanothermite composite materials as explosives. The hard part was getting thousands of pounds of explosives, fuses and ignition mechanisms into the building without causing too much concern. But almost every single office in the Building 7 was rented by the CIA, the Secret Service, or the military, which made it easier.

Mr. Howard explains that WTC 7 was “loaded with explosives in strategic places” in the month leading up to the day that changed the course of American history. On September 11th, while the North and South towers burned, fuses were ignited in World Trade Center 7, and nanothermite explosions hollowed out the building, destroying the steel structure, removing the reinforcements, and allowing the office fires to tear through the rest of the building, hollowing it out like a shell.

World Trade Center 7 collapsed into its own footprint at 5:20pm, seven hours after the destruction of WTC 1 and 2. The building shocked witnesses by coming down at the speed of freefall, indicating that it encountered zero resistance on the way down.

Mr. Howard and his colleagues had done their job.

When the building came down, it was such a rush. Everything went exactly to plan. It was so smooth. Everybody was evacuated. Nobody was hurt in WTC 7. We were celebrating. We kept watching replays of the demolition, we had the whiskey and cigars out, and then all of a sudden the strangest thing happened. We all started to worry that it looked a bit too smooth. We watched the tape again and again and again and we started to get paranoid. It looked like a controlled demolition. We thought shit, people are going to question this. And then we heard that people from the street were reporting that they heard the explosions during the afternoon. When we were told that the BBC botched their report and announced to the world that the building collapsed 20 minutes before it actually did… At that point we really thought the gig was up.”

According to the official 9/11 report issued by the government, WTC 7 collapsed due to “uncontrolled fires” that were caused by debris that floated over from WTC 1 and 2, which had been hit by passenger planes. If the official narrative was true, WTC 7 would be the first tall building in the world to ever collapse due to uncontrolled fires, and the only steel skyscraper in the world to have collapsed into itself, due to “office fires.”

Mr. Howard and his colleagues feared the public would see through the official narrative and rise up against the government, demanding to be told the truth.

There were so many loose ends, so much evidence left behind. We thought the public would be all over it. We thought there would be a public uprising that the media couldn’t ignore. They’d be funding investigations and demanding to know why they were being lied to. We thought they’d find chemical composites in the area that would prove Building 7 was blown up.

“We thought there would be a revolution. It would go all the way to the top, to President Bush. He’d be dragged out of the White House.

“But none of that happened. Almost nobody questioned anything. The media shot down anyone who dared question anything they were told.”

Follow the money

Mr. Howard claims he has “no direct knowledge” about the destruction of North and South Towers of the World Trade Center, explaining that “CIA operations are very specific” and that it is common to be working on a larger project while only understanding a small piece of the puzzle.

[9/11: Larry Silverstein Designed New WTC-7 One Year Before Attacks]

But he has advice for investigators seeking to understand the entire puzzle and work out who was behind the most devastating attack on American soil in history.

Follow the money.”

When you want to find out who is behind something, just follow the money. Look at the trades made just before 9/11. These are the guys that knew what was coming. The sons of CIA agents, government officials. Close relatives of the most powerful men in America. Cheney, Rumsfeld. They all got rich. It wasn’t just the contracts awarded to their friends in the construction business and the wars and the kickbacks.”

“It was insider trading.”

Many countries including Britain, France, Germany, Italy, Japan and Monaco launched insider trading investigations in the wake of the 9/11 attacks, believing that if they could prove Al-Qaeda operatives profited on the stock market then they could prove the terror organization was behind the attacks.

And all the evidence pointed to heavy insider trading around 9/11.

Italy’s foreign minister, Antonio Martino, said: “I think that there are terrorist states and organizations behind speculation on the international markets.” German central bank president, Ernst Welteke, said his researchers had found “almost irrefutable proof of insider trading.”

Even CNN reported that regulators were seeing “ever-clearer signs” that someone “manipulated financial markets ahead of the terror attack in the hope of profiting from it.

Mr. Howard says that a serious study of who profited on the stock market from 9/11 would “tear the heart out of the oligarchy in America.

There is only one organization that spans the entire world, and let me tell you now, it isn’t and it never was al-Qaeda.

It’s the CIA.

There could never be a real investigation. The entire shadow government, as you call them now, are implicated.”

The 79-year-old, spending his final weeks at home, said he doesn’t expect to be taken into custody following his confession because “then they’d have to go after everyone else. They will just use the media to attack me. They are all on the payroll to suppress everything around 9/11.” (1 image)

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#67. To: nolu chan (#64)

PS It has been more than 10 years since I studied this in detail. I am not particulary interested in going back into it, I was just a bit stunned that people on this forum have not made the effort to understand the case made by Jones, the most careful of the challengers to the official conspiracy theory.

Anthem  posted on  2017-07-19   1:21:56 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#68. To: nolu chan (#64)

I'm just glad we finally reached the inevitable nano-thermite portion of the discussion.

Tooconservative  posted on  2017-07-19   9:50:26 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#69. To: Anthem (#67)

I was just a bit stunned that people on this forum have not made the effort to understand the case made by Jones, the most careful of the challengers to the official conspiracy theory.

I do not find the publications of Dr. Jones persuasive. They are in pay for play junk science publications. 7WTC may be a classic demolition job but 1WTC and 2WTC are different. They are pulverized or turned to dust in mid-air and settled as a covering of fine dust particles up to miles distant. Thermite and thermate did not do that. Fire did not do it, and neither did gravity.

http://libertysflame.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=52077&Disp=6#C6">

I only found one link to one paper at your #6.

The link for "download page" was:

http://www.journalof911studies.com/why-indeed-did-the-world-trade-center-buildings-completely-collapse/

I am aware of the Bentham Journal mentioned in one of the Youtube videos I provided, and also EuroPhysics News.

Bentham's play for play journal has a less than sterling reputation. Peer reviewed science it is not. Neither is Europhysics News. Bentham was caught in a scam where it accepted a paper for publication which was gibberish by a computer program with authors claiming to have been from the Center for Research in Applied Phrenology (CRAP).

Articles where the author pays for publication in a junk science journal tend not not be scientifically persuasive.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bentham_Science_Publishers

Bentham Open journals claim to employ peer review;[4] however, the fact that a fake paper generated with SCIgen was accepted for publication, has cast doubt on this.[5][6][7] Furthermore, the publisher is known for spamming scientists with invitations to become a member of the editorial boards of its journals.[8]

In 2009, the Bentham Open Science journal The Open Chemical Physics Journal published a study contending dust from the World Trade Center attacks contained "active nanothermite".[9] Following publication, the journal's editor-in-chief Marie-Paule Pileni resigned stating, "They have printed the article without my authorization… I have written to Bentham, that I withdraw myself from all activities with them".[10]

In a review of Bentham Open for The Charleston Advisor, Jeffrey Beall noted that "in many cases, Bentham Open journals publish articles that no legitimate peer-review journal would accept, and unconventional and nonconformist ideas are being presented in some of them as legitimate science." He concluded by stating that "the site has exploited the Open Access model for its own financial motives and flooded scholarly communication with a flurry of low quality and questionable research."[11] Beall has since added Bentham Open to his list of "Potential, possible, or probable predatory scholarly open-access publishers".[3]

http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Bentham_Science_Publishers

Bentham Science Publishers straddles the fine line between "open access journal publisher" and "vanity press scam."

Bentham was founded in 1994 and enjoyed a reputation as a small but reputable and scholarly publisher. In April 2007, it announced that it would open more than 300 open access journals by the end of the year, though it later cut this to 200.[1]

The journals work on the model where the journal is available free, and authors pay to have their paper published. A new journal will often contact people in the field noting the journal's existence and requesting submissions. However, Bentham took it as far as repeatedly spamming people[2][3], often irrelevantly,[1] and offering scientists membership on its journals' editorial boards out of the blue.[4] (As of August 23, 2014, the Scientificspam.net DNS-based blocklist lists the 117.20.26.0/23 network from which Bentham spams in its entirety.) Membership of a journal's editorial board can be quite prestigious, but when people realised what sort of company they were dealing with and withdrew their acceptance, Bentham kept their names on the masthead and ignored all demands for removal.[1] In April 2009, the Open Chemical Physics Journal published an article advocating 9/11 conspiracy theories without anyone bothering to inform the journal's editor, who promptly resigned.[5]

This aroused the interest of the curious, and Bentham was busted in 2009 accepting a paper for the Open Information Science Journal consisting of random sentences computer-generated with SCIgen, whose imaginary authors both worked at the Center for Research in Applied Phrenology (CRAP).[6][7] The editor of said journal also quit when he found out what the publisher had done.[8] Bentham's director of publication claimed they merely sent a fake acceptance to flush out the hoaxer,[4] but no-one believes him.

Bentham's questionable behaviour, and the extensive documentation of it, led directly[3] to the formation of the Open Access Scholarly Publishers Association,[9] which endeavours to serve as a mark of respectability in OA publishers. Not only is Bentham not a member, OASPA has blogged specifically concerning it.[10]

Annoyingly, the scams continue.

http://legacy.earlham.edu/~peters/fos/2009/09/criticism-of-oa-publisher-bentham.html

Open Access News

News from the open access movement

Friday, September 11, 2009

Criticism of OA publisher Bentham

Jeffrey Beall, Bentham Open, The Charleston Advisor, July 2009; self-archived September 10, 2009. A review of OA publisher Bentham Open. Excerpt:

... The site is supported by fees charged to the author upon publication of an article, and the fees are high. ... The Bentham Open site makes no mention of [fee waiver/reduction in cases of financial need], but in response to an e-mail inquiry, a representative stated that authors from developing countries are granted a discount of 30 to 50 percent off the publication fee charges. ...

The site states that, “All submitted articles undergo a fast but rigorous peer-review procedure, followed by prompt submission of an article for publication.” However, the journals contain articles that take unpopular views on topics and were likely unacceptable in mainstream journals. An example is the article entitled, “Cosmological Constraints on Unifying Dark Fluid Models” that appears in The Open Astronomy Journal. The article offers the dark fluid model as an alternative to the widely-accepted theories establishing dark matter and dark energy in cosmology ...

Because the dark fluid theory is not accepted by mainstream cosmologists, it is likely that if this article were submitted to any mainstream journal it would be rejected, and the author sought to publish it here because of the less-rigorous or façade-like peer-review process. Alternatively, the author submitted the article to Bentham Open because he knew that merely by paying the fee he could get his work published. ... In many cases, Bentham Open journals publish articles that no legitimate peer-review journal would accept, and unconventional and nonconformist ideas are being presented in some of them as legitimate science. ...

Another example comes from The Open Chemical Physics Journal. In the article “Active Thermitic Material Discovered in Dust from the 9/11 World Trade Center Catastrophe,” the authors conclude that some of the dust found in the World Trade Center debris is unexploded bomb material. They lead the reader to conclude that planted explosives were the real source of the World Trade Center buildings’ collapse, and not the aircraft that struck them. This article has helped fuel 9/11 conspiracy theories. Thus, Bentham Open is a place for people to publish their theories, theses, and ideas that are out of the mainstream.

There is no journal impact factor data for these journals because the data takes three years to compile and all the journals Bentham Open offers are less than three years old. In response to an e-mail inquiry regarding rejection rates for Bentham Open journals, company representative Mehwish Akhter replied, “Rejection rate is different for different journals. Normally it’s 25–30%.”

The membership plan that Bentham Open Access offers is highly questionable, especially the individual membership. The cheapest individual membership is $1,600, and at this rate an author receives a 5 percent discount on author fees. For an article that costs $800 to publish, the discount is $40; to break even at that membership level, an author would need to publish 40 articles. Clearly, very little thought has been put into Bentham’s membership plan; it appears only to be a way to generate revenue for the company from the naive.

The Open Access model is a good one, for it makes research freely available to everyone. However, Bentham Open is exploiting the good will of those who established the Open Access model by twisting it and exploiting it for profit. Just because a journal is Open Access doesn’t make it legitimate or high quality. ...

Bentham Open’s emergence into scholarly publishing in 2007 has served mainly as a venue to publish research of questionable quality. The site has exploited the Open Access model for its own financial motives and flooded scholarly communication with a flurry of low quality and questionable research. By linking to sites such as Bentham Open, libraries are diluting scholarly research and making it more difficult for scholars to sort through the abundance of journal articles available. ...

N.B. This review was written before the Bentham fake article hoax from earlier this year.

See also our past posts on Bentham.

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The article 15 Years Later: On the Physics of High-Rise Building Collapses, is written by truthers Steven Jones, Robert Korol, Anthony Szamboti, and Ted Walter.

But a new forensic investigation into the collapse of the three World Trade Center towers on 9/11, published in Europhysics News – a highly respected European physics magazine....

There is the Europhysics News itself.

http://www.europhysicsnews.org/articles/epn/pdf/2016/04/epn2016-47-4.pdf

Page 1 of the issue of Europhysics News states:

Europhysics news is the magazine of the European physics community. It is owned by the European Physical Society and produced in cooperation with EDP Sciences. The staff of EDP Sciences are involved in the production of the magazine and are not responsible for editorial content. Most contributors to Europhysics news are volunteers and their work is greatly appreciated by the Editor and the Editorial Advisory Board.

The article is on pp. 21-26. Page 21 is a basic cover page.

Page 22 of the issue of Europhysics News leads off with:

NOTE FROM THE EDITORS

This feature is somewhat different from our usual purely scientific articles, in that it contains some speculation. However, given the timing and the importance of the issue, we consider that this feature is sufficiently technical and interesting to merit publication for our readers. Obviously, the content of this article is the responsibility of the authors.

http://www.snopes.com/journal-endorses-911-conspiracy-theory/

[Excerpt]

For their part, EPN released a statement after having been pressed by podcaster Stephen Knight:

EPN is a magazine that publishes a range of news and views to stimulate discussion – unlike peer reviewed research which would be published in a scholarly journal. EDP Sciences [their parent company] follows the most rigorous peer review standards for its journals of which EPN is not one.

As a magazine, the editorial policy of EPN is to publish news and views, which are sometimes controversial. EDP Sciences recognizes that the article discusses some speculative and controversial issues. However EPN and EDP Sciences believe that the best (and the most scientific) way to settle such issues is to publish them and have an open discussion with all due arguments in which the truth will finally emerge. A counter article is to be published by EPN in the next issue.

http://www.skeptical-science.com/critical-thinking/scientific-proof-911-inside-job/

[Excerpt]

First a Few actual Facts

There are two rather important points to start with …

1. Europhysics News is not a peer-reviewed science journal, it is just a magazine

2. The article does not contain output from a formal study, it is just a magazine article

The editors did also add the following note:

This feature is somewhat different from our usual purely scientific articles, in that it contains some speculation. However, given the timing and the importance of the issue, we consider that this feature is sufficiently technical and interesting to merit publication for our readers. Obviously, the content of this article is the responsibility of the authors.

In other words, they are telling you clearly that it is not scientific, and is instead just speculation.

nolu chan  posted on  2017-07-19   18:52:15 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#70. To: Tooconservative, Anthem (#68) (Edited)

I'm just glad we finally reached the inevitable nano-thermite portion of the discussion.

Dr. Judy Wood published Where Did The Towers Go?. It does an excellent presentation of the observed phenomena from 9/11. While her directed energy weapon theory of what could account for the phenomena is controversial, to say the least, her presentation of what was observed to have happened is excellent. At page 124, she addressed "thermitic material" found in the dust.

3. "Thermitic Material" in the Dust

A report has come out stating that "thermitic material,(59) was found in dust samples from lower Manhattan after 9/11/01. The authors of the report did not say they found thermite, but only that they found "thermitic material." What is "Thermitic Material?" Presumably, the term refers to the ingredients of thermite, which is a substance made of aluminum powder and iron oxide (rust). The Twin Towers were steel structures with aluminum cladding. "Steel is a term used for iron to which between 0.02 to 1.7% carbon has been added."(60) Typical low-carbon steel (e.g. ASTM A36) contains 99% iron. We know that a large portion of the towers was turned to dust (see Chapter 9, Dustification). And iron dust in atmospheric conditions will immediately rust. So it is natural and to be expected that materials the buildings were made of would be found in the nano-dust of their remains. The surprising thing would be if this nano-dust from the buildings did not contain "thermitic material." That the article is identified as having been "peer reviewed" is intended to imply the validity of the study. However, "peer reviewed" no longer means what it once did. Shortly after Bentham published the article about "thermitic material," The Boston Globe ran a news story about a hoax submission (an article made up of nothing but computer-generated nonsense) to another Bentham journal. This second article also passed "peer review."(61, 62) Others have written about this deliberately fraudulent study.(63)

The buildings were turned to dust, and therefore the dust would be expected to contain traces of all materials that were in the buildings.

nolu chan  posted on  2017-07-19   19:06:53 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#71. To: nolu chan (#70)

The authors of the report did not say they found thermite, but only that they found "thermitic material." What is "Thermitic Material?" Presumably,...

Presumably.

Tooconservative  posted on  2017-07-20   11:13:46 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#72. To: nolu chan (#70)

What is "Thermitic Material?" Presumably, the term refers to the ingredients of thermite, which is a substance made of aluminum powder and iron oxide (rust).

I would read it differently. "Thermitic" suggest more general thing - thermite-like. It does not have to be aluminum and iron oxide, you need metal oxide and a substance that will binds oxygen from the oxide generating heat.

Perhaps there are more exotic non-metallic exothermic thermites?

A Pole  posted on  2017-07-20   11:52:52 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#73. To: A Pole, Tooconservative (#72)

I would read it differently. "Thermitic" suggest more general thing - thermite-like. It does not have to be aluminum and iron oxide, you need metal oxide and a substance that will binds oxygen from the oxide generating heat.

By whatever definition, it is exceedingly difficult to see how to synchronize the failure of large steel columns with the use of heat as the primary agent.

Take the 47 Minute Building 7 Challenge!

LibertyDefender84

Published on May 16, 2015

This is a 47 minute challenge about Building 7, a 47-story skyscraper, which collapsed at 5:20pm on September 11th, 2001.

The challenge is to watch this 47 minute video and try to maintain your belief in the official story of what happened on September 11th, 2001. This is a difficult challenge because this video features testimony from Structural Engineers, Architects, Demolition Experts, and eyewitnesses who provide evidence that Building 7 collapsed as a result of a controlled demolition. After looking at the evidence, it will be challenging to maintain the belief that fire caused Building 7 to collapse in the manner that was observed.

nolu chan  posted on  2017-07-20   23:15:57 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#74. To: nolu chan (#73)

Take the 47 Minute Building 7 Challenge!

No thanks.

The 9/11 hucksters have re-made the same videos over and over.

If I want preaching, there's plenty of churches around here.

Tooconservative  posted on  2017-07-21   10:38:45 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#75. To: Tooconservative (#74)

The 9/11 hucksters have re-made the same videos over and over.

Well, there is always the NIST report.

Final Report on the Collapse of World Trade Center Building 7, Federal Building and Fire Safety Investigation of the World Trade Center Disaster (NIST NCSTAR 1A)

http://ws680.nist.gov/publication/get_pdf.cfm?pub_id=861610

At page xxxvii:

Other than initiating the fires in WTC 7, the damage from the debris from WTC 1 had little effect on initiating the collapse of WTC 7. The building withstood debris impact damage that resulted in seven exterior columns being severed and subsequently withstood fires involving typical office combustibles on several floors for almost seven hours. The debris damaged the spray-applied fire resistive material that was applied to the steel columns, girders, and beams, only in the vicinity of the structural damage from the collapse of WTC 1. This was near the west side of the south face of the building and was far removed from the buckled column that initiated the collapse. Even without the structural damage, WTC 7 would have collapsed from fires having the same characteristics as those experienced on September 11, 2001. The transfer elements such as trusses, girders, and cantilever overhangs that were used to support the office building over the Con Edison substation did not play a significant role in the collapse of WTC 7.

Structural damage from debris did not cause the collapse.

NIST identifies specific fire observations and their earliest times.

"Other than initiating the fires in WTC 7, the damage from the debris from WTC 1 had little effect on initiating the collapse of WTC 7." [NIST NCSTAR 1-9, p. 194]

"A larger area of the west face near the south edge is visible in the photograph shown in Figure 5-1 10, which was taken shortly after Figure 5- 109 at 12:27:30 p.m. At this time flames were not evident in window 22-14A, but light smoke continued to flow from the window. Higher up on the face, smoke was coming from the six adjacent open windows 29-11 to 29-14A on the 29th floor, with heavy flames filling windows 29-11 and 29-12. As discussed in Section 5.5.2, the condition of windows 29-13A to 29-14A immediately following the collapse of WTC 1 could not be determined, while the glass was intact in windows 29-11 and 29-12. This suggests that the fire burning on this floor had opened windows 29-11 and 29-12 by 12:27:30 p.m." [NIST NCSTAR 1-9, p. 196]

"Prior to 12:10 p.m., there was no evidence of fire on the upper floors of WTC 7. Between 12:10 p.m. and 2:10 p.m., the only fires directly or indirectly observed were on Floors 19, 22, 29, and 30." [NIST NCSTAR 1-9, p. 194]

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"Between roughly 2:00 p.m. and the collapse of WTC 7 at 5:20:52, fires were observed spreading on the 7th floor through the 13th floor, with the exception of the 10th floor. One short video clip indicated that a small fire was present on the north side of the 14th floor shortly prior to the collapse. In the following descriptions of these fires, approximate times are used. Details are included in the previous subsection." [NIST NCSTAR 1-9, p. 243]

"7th Floor. Early indications of a developing fire were observed on the west side of the 7th floor shortly after 2:00 p.m." [NIST NCSTAR 1-9, p. 243]

"8th floor. The earliest fires observed on the 8th floor were on the north face in windows near the center of the face. As late as 3:22 p.m., there was no indication of fire in this area, but about 17 min later a substantial fire spreading to the east was visib le between windows 8-47C and 8-53C." [NIST NCSTAR 1-9, p. 243]

"9th Floor. There was no indication of fire in the available imagery on this floor until late in the day. Shortly before 4:00 p.m., a small area of fire was observed in windows 9-54A and 9-54B on the west side of the north face. There are no images suggesting how fire reached this location." [NIST NCSTAR 1-9, p. 244]

"10th Floor. No fires were observed burning on this floor." [NIST NCSTAR 1-9, p. 244]

"11th Floor. A fire was first observed on this floor at 2:08 p.m. on the east face." [NIST NCSTAR 1-9, p. 244]

"12th Floor. The first observation of a fire on the 12th floor was on the east face around 2:08 p.m." [NIST NCSTAR 1-9, p. 245]

"13th Floor. The first visual evidence for burning on the 13th floor was seen on the east face around 2:30 p.m." [NIST NCSTAR 1-9, p. 245]

"14th Floor. A low resolution image recorded around 5:03 p.m. indicated the presence of a fire between Columns 45 and 46 on the north face. Fire at this location or elsewhere on the floor was not evident in similar images recorded roughly ten minutes earlier and six minutes later. This was the only observation of a fire on this floor." [NIST NCSTAR 1-9, p. 246]

"Fires on Other Floors. With the exception of the fires on the 19th, 22nd, 29th, and 30th floors discussed at the start of this section, there is no direct visual evidence of fires on other floors of WTC 7. Heavy smoke was observed coming from the opening created on the south face of WTC 7 by debris falling from WTC 1. This smoke suggests that internal burning was taking place, but provides little indication of specific locations. Light smoke was observed at the height of the louvers on the east side of the 5th and 6th floors around 4:10 p.m. It was not possible to identify the source of this smoke. [NIST NCSTAR 1-9, p. 246]

SOURCE: NIST NCSTAR 1-9, Volume 1

nolu chan  posted on  2017-07-22   8:22:26 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#76. To: nolu chan (#75)

The transfer elements such as trusses, girders, and cantilever overhangs that were used to support the office building over the Con Edison substation did not play a significant role in the collapse of WTC 7.

They always rush so quickly to dismiss the ConEd substation that it makes me suspicious that it played a major role in the collapse.

Tooconservative  posted on  2017-07-22   13:23:47 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#77. To: Tooconservative (#76)

They always rush so quickly to dismiss the ConEd substation that it makes me suspicious that it played a major role in the collapse.

Structural damage played no major role, ConEd fuhgedaboutit, and the fires were unremarkable and just allowed to burn all day.

Shyam Sunder stated, "WTC7 collapsed because of fires fueled by office furnishings."

Sunder also stated WTC7 "fell because thermal expansion, a phenomenon not considered in current building design practice, caused a fire-induced progressive collapse."

The official explanation for 7WTC is not persuasive.

I wonder what design practice building codes were created to prevent office fire induced thermal expansion leading to progressive collapse of entire tall buildings?

nolu chan  posted on  2017-07-22   15:27:03 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#78. To: Tooconservative (#55)

No one has it. We also have no verification of exactly when that aired. We also know that the text crawl was not in sync with the rest of the broadcast.

Web Archive has 4 days from major networks archived

https://archive.org/details/911/day/20010911

And why are there no other corroborating videos except this one from the BBC?

Seems sometimes you don't do much research before you make claims.

The REAL question, of course, is who wrote what the news readers are repeating? It's been traced to Reuters but that's where the trail ends. That's like saying your lettuce came from Safeway.

The BBC is an entirely isolated piece of evidence with no other corroborating sources. We don't even know if that was actually a live feed.

Funny how the BBC "lost" the tapes, then "found" them and issued an apology. Almost as funny as when the Moon Landing tapes were "lost".

BBC: It is certainly true that on 9/11 the BBC broadcast that WTC7 had collapsed when it was still standing. Then the satellite transmission seemed to cut out mysteriously when the correspondent was still talking. Then Richard Porter admitted in his blog last year that the BBC had lost those key tapes of BBC World News output from the day.

So is that proof that we at the BBC are part of a huge sinister conspiracy or is there a simpler explanation?

The mystery of the missing tapes didn't last that long. One very experienced film librarian kindly agreed to have another look for us one night. There are more than a quarter of a million tapes just in the Fast Store basement at Television Centre. The next morning I got a call to say the tapes had been found. They'd just been put back on the wrong shelf - 2002 rather than 2001. Not so sinister after all.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/theeditors/2008/07/controversy_conspiracies_iii.html

And this is most interesting, what are the odds that Jane Standley would be cut off twice in one day when talking about WTC7

This bit of history has been mostly overlooked. Everyone is concentrating on the previously posted afternoon broadcast. But it's very suspicious, isn't it.

I'm guessing you've never seen that, have you.

How about this?

Explain how the beam slipping off that column due to "thermal expansion" from office fires can cause the entire building to collapse (3 seconds of free fall) in 7 seconds please. TIA

Operation 40  posted on  2017-07-22   23:45:16 ET  (1 image) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#79. To: Operation 40 (#78)

Interesting jwpegler. Thanks for sharing.

A K A Stone  posted on  2017-07-23   0:04:19 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#80. To: Operation 40 (#78)

The REAL question, of course, is who wrote what the news readers are repeating? It's been traced to Reuters but that's where the trail ends. That's like saying your lettuce came from Safeway.

As though NSA wasn't capable of replacing archive.org's videos if they chose to do so after the fact.

Tooconservative  posted on  2017-07-23   6:15:11 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#81. To: nolu chan (#59) (Edited)

I do not know what happened there, but don't read too much into it.

How can't we?

Building 7 was STILL standing when the reporter-ette pronounced her "news."

Considering how often and to what extent we've discovered the Mass Media LIES as a matter of conditioning the serfs and practicing Mind-Control; subverting history, and creating alternative reality, what we CAN and SHOULD do is *presume* the MSM's reporting/propaganda is run though a series of filters as their overlords wish.

Cops or firefighters on video were telling people to clear the area, that the building was going to come down. Faults had allegedly been observed by FDNY, leading them to question the structural integrity of the building. They were in the street saying the building was going to come down. It would seem the most likely explanation is BBC just had a miscomunication.

"Mis-communication" is the default convenient excuse. How can we buy it, Nolu, given the total lack of credibility of he Media and its obvious function as Propagandists and NOT actual "reporters"?

The problem NOW is the credibility of THAT as well as ANY reporting, so-called "observations" and "witnesses" on 911, specifically the presumption of inevitability that Building 7 *was* going to come down in any case.

It's just one more layer of lies that should and could have been avoided. But moreover, it proved that certain Media sources are given scripts by some un-named "authoritahs."

planted "witnesses,"

Then there's TWA FL 800 and *that* yuge LIE and so-called "investigation."

Liberator  posted on  2017-07-23   11:46:28 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#82. To: A K A Stone, jwpegler (#79)

Interesting jwpegler. Thanks for sharing.

LOL

Liberator  posted on  2017-07-23   11:48:24 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#83. To: Tooconservative (#80) (Edited)

As though NSA wasn't capable of replacing archive.org's videos if they chose to do so after the fact.

Did the NSA force the BBC to make that statement above? The BBC admits everything you said was questionable. It's right there.

That's all you have to say after your "arguments" RE:Jane Standley have been utterly destroyed?

Again: Please explain how the beam slipping off that column due to "thermal expansion" from office fires can cause the entire building to collapse (3 seconds of free fall) in 7 seconds.

You can do it.

Operation 40  posted on  2017-07-23   13:34:01 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#84. To: Operation 40, tooconservative (#78)

("No one has it. We also have no verification of exactly when that aired. We also know that the text crawl was not in sync with the rest of the broadcast.")

Web Archive has 4 days from major networks archived

Well done.

And this is most interesting, what are the odds that Jane Standley would be cut off twice in one day when talking about WTC7

This bit of history has been mostly overlooked. Everyone is concentrating on the previously posted afternoon broadcast. But it's very suspicious, isn't it.

Beyond suspicious. Conspicuous might be the word.

Yes, Standley's moments, reporting, and reaction is STILL archived. Great job of digging that out.

Yup, "History" itself was revised on the spot. THE priceless reaction and moment of truth can be found at 2:18 just after the BBC questioner asks about Building 7. The elites MUST maintain control over all its monkey business. 911 was tricky, yet still they pulled off the biggest charade in recorded human history (other than the Vatican's centuries of shenanigans and historical revisionism that hid/erased the pre-Flood history.)

I'm guessing you've never seen that, have you.

I don't think it matters to TC. As I suggested, many well-meaning, logical intelligent people just can NOT fathom or accept the notion that our gubmint has been hijacked and been conspiring AGAINST the Founders' Republic for quite some time.

Funny how the BBC "lost" the tapes, then "found" them and issued an apology. Almost as funny as when the Moon Landing tapes were "lost".

Again -- excellent work.

I'll admit to believing fairly recently the Moon Landings were indeed FAKE. This is upon considering the credibility -- or lack thereof of a gubmint and its ministry of propaganda (the MSM) that has lied at will about the the truth, their intent, and their actions since WW2 (and frankly, well before.)

Liberator  posted on  2017-07-23   14:10:47 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#85. To: Liberator (#84)

I'll admit to believing fairly recently the Moon Landings were indeed FAKE.

You might want to check out the article I posted a couple of days ago.

Did Elon Musk just confirm that the moon landings were faked?

Follow the links too - quite interesting.

Not particularly a fan of Elon Musk, but some good questions are posed.

“Truth is treason in the empire of lies.” - Ron Paul

Those who most loudly denounce Fake News are typically those most aggressively disseminating it.

Deckard  posted on  2017-07-23   14:21:26 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#86. To: Liberator (#84)

I don't think it matters to TC.

No, it doesn't.

Years back, I was willing to at least listen to 9/11 Truther CTs. But I find the Truthers to be arrogant and condescending and completely unable to present evidence that could pass muster in a court of law.

So I have changed and the bar now is set very very high.

Right now, the credibility of Truthers with me would be comparable to that of Scientologists. Maybe the Scientologists have a slight advantage.

Tooconservative  posted on  2017-07-23   18:50:00 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#87. To: Operation 40 (#83)

Again: Please explain how...

Nope. You are the crackpot, you are the one making the assertion. The burden of proof is entirely on you.

It's up to you to produce evidence in a court of law that passes muster.

If what you say is true, there are some very big lawsuits to be won, in the billions. Yet no law firm has ever been willing to bring Truther lawsuits to court. That's because they know these crackpot theories would not survive for five minutes in a courtroom.

Tooconservative  posted on  2017-07-23   18:56:17 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#88. To: Tooconservative (#87)

Or they fear being killed.

A K A Stone  posted on  2017-07-23   19:09:14 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#89. To: A K A Stone (#88)

Or they fear being killed.

Or they think it's a load of crackpot nonsense cooked up on the internet.

Probably one or the other.

Tooconservative  posted on  2017-07-23   19:26:23 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#90. To: Liberator (#81)

How can't we?

Building 7 was STILL standing when the reporter-ette pronounced her "news."

You can consider the obvious, that it was not it was not a deliberate attempt to fool anyone. The building is in the background. It just seems far more likely that someone relayed all the talk on the ground that the building was coming down (like very soon), and someone else took it to mean the building is coming down (like, as we speak it is collapsing).

There is an overabundance of visual evidence that 7WTC was a demolition. The BBC goof is a distraction.

nolu chan  posted on  2017-07-24   11:14:16 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#91. To: Operation 40, Tooconservative (#83)

Please explain how the beam slipping off that column due to "thermal expansion" from office fires can cause the entire building to collapse (3 seconds of free fall) in 7 seconds.

Three (3) seconds of freefall -- zero resistance. The lower floors had to move out of the way before the falling floors reached where they had been.

nolu chan  posted on  2017-07-24   11:31:25 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#92. To: Tooconservative (#87)

Nope. You are the crackpot,

Aww, you should be nicer to me than that, Sport, because I've introduced you to the truth about Jane Standley and her premature calling of the collapse of WTC7. You really didn't know anything at all about it yet you were making false and embarrassing statements. And this is the thanks I get? ROFL

The burden of proof is entirely on you. It's up to you to produce evidence in a court of law that passes muster.

Whatever are you babbling about? I provided videos, statements from the BBC and an archive of videos from 9/11. I countered your erroneous assumptions and guesses with absolute truth. What exactly are you asking me to prove now?

If what you say is true,

What did I say?

there are some very big lawsuits to be won, in the billions. Yet no law firm has ever been willing to bring Truther lawsuits to court. That's because they know these crackpot theories would not survive for five minutes in a courtroom.

What "crackpot theories" specifically are you talking about? And by the way, You're all in favor of a new investigation, right?

Look, pal, I can understand you're a little bruised after being beaten up a bit here, but you really should try to hide it better. Your errors and hilarious assumptions were embarrassing enough.

I've seen you here for a long time, parading around from thread to thread, pretending you are an expert on everything under the sun. Well just consider this a little speed bump on your road to Greatness. You'll forget this entire 911 lesson soon enough, I'd bet on it. No doubt, the next time Jane Standley rears her pretty English head you might just pretend you never learned the truth that was presented here, because I'm guessing you're the type that doesn't like to be corrected.

In any event old chap, Carry On!

Operation 40  posted on  2017-07-25   4:32:01 ET  (1 image) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#93. To: Operation 40, Tooconservative (#92)

And by the way, You're all in favor of a new investigation, right?

TC believes that the investigation carried out by the 9/11 Commission is the final word on what really happened.

Luckily, the news anchors knew who did it within minutes, the pundits knew within hours, the Administration knew within the day, and the evidence literally fell into the FBI’s lap. But for some reason a bunch of crazy conspiracy theorists demanded an investigation into the greatest attack on American soil in history.

The investigation was delayed, underfunded, set up to fail, a conflict of interest and a cover up from start to finish. It was based on testimony extracted through torture, the records of which were destroyed. It failed to mention the existence of WTC7, Able Danger, Ptech, Sibel Edmonds, OBL and the CIA, and the drills of hijacked aircraft being flown into buildings that were being simulated at the precise same time that those events were actually happening.

It was lied to by the Pentagon, the CIA, the Bush Administration and as for Bush and Cheney…well, no one knows what they told it because they testified in secret, off the record, not under oath and behind closed doors. It didn’t bother to look at who funded the attacks because that question is of “little practical significance“. Still, the 9/11 Commission did brilliantly, answering all of the questions the public had (except most of the victims’ family members’ questions) and pinned blame on all the people responsible (although no one so much as lost their job), determining the attacks were “a failure of imagination” because “I don’t think anyone could envision flying airplanes into buildings ” except the Pentagon and FEMA and NORAD and the NRO.

“Truth is treason in the empire of lies.” - Ron Paul

Those who most loudly denounce Fake News are typically those most aggressively disseminating it.

Deckard  posted on  2017-07-25   5:30:36 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#94. To: Tooconservative, Liberator (#86)

Years back, I was willing to at least listen to 9/11 Truther CTs.

Oh, my sides! You have always been an unabashed supporter of the "official" fed.gov conspiracy theory and unwilling to honestly look at any facts posted. That much hasn't changed.

But I find the Truthers to be arrogant and condescending...

Pot - meet kettle.

“Truth is treason in the empire of lies.” - Ron Paul

Those who most loudly denounce Fake News are typically those most aggressively disseminating it.

Deckard  posted on  2017-07-25   8:56:22 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#95. To: Deckard (#94)

Roar on.

Your little Kookorama recedes from the public mind year by year.

Time and public apathy are your enemy.

Are you so sure anyone even cares what happened on 9/11 any more? I mean, other than your fellow-kooks.

Tooconservative  posted on  2017-07-25   10:15:52 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#96. To: Tooconservative (#95)

The "official" fed.gov conspiracy theory that you so desperately cling to is a joke.

Are you so sure anyone even cares what happened on 9/11 any more?

9/11 was the mechanism for establishing a police state here in America.

Care to count the number of freedoms we have lost since that day?

“Truth is treason in the empire of lies.” - Ron Paul

Those who most loudly denounce Fake News are typically those most aggressively disseminating it.

Deckard  posted on  2017-07-25   10:40:30 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#97. To: Deckard (#96)

I don't want to enable your kookery.

Tooconservative  posted on  2017-07-25   10:42:10 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#98. To: Tooconservative (#97)

kookery

Give these people a voting day every year, so that they’ll have the illusion of meaningless choice, meaningless choice that we go like slaves and say, Joe, I voted.

The limits of debate in this country are, are, are established before the debate even begins. And everyone else is marginalized, and made to seem there to be communist or some sort of disloyal person.

A kook...there's a word... and now it’s conspiracy, say, they made that something that’s, that is, that is should not be even entertained for a minute that powerful people might get together and have a plan, it doesn’t happen you are a kook, you are a conspiracy buff.


George Carlin

“Truth is treason in the empire of lies.” - Ron Paul

Those who most loudly denounce Fake News are typically those most aggressively disseminating it.

Deckard  posted on  2017-07-25   10:58:05 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#99. To: Deckard (#98)

George Carlin

As long as Carlin makes you feel better about being a kook, it's fine by me.

Tooconservative  posted on  2017-07-25   11:55:41 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#100. To: Tooconservative (#99)

I'd say he pretty much nailed you and others of your ignorant ilk with his rant.

But GOOD!!

“Truth is treason in the empire of lies.” - Ron Paul

Those who most loudly denounce Fake News are typically those most aggressively disseminating it.

Deckard  posted on  2017-07-25   12:40:42 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#101. To: Tooconservative, Deckard (#95)

Are you so sure anyone even cares what happened on 9/11 any more? I mean, other than your fellow-kooks.

Certain people will ALWAYS care about "911" and all the other blatant lies perpetrated against We The People intended to condition the masses to accept a neo-slavery and neo-tyranny.

I don't quite understand why someone should be so dismissive of the truth rather than endorsing and supporting a bureaucracy and machination that LIES AS A RULE ABOUT EVERYTHING.

Has it ever occurred to you that you may be selectively seeing and hearing only what you *psychologically* what you need to see and hear?

Frankly, to embrace the absurd official narrative of the 911 events as even remotely possible or true, is much closer to "kookery" or naivete to the nth degree -- especially given the degree of baloney the general public is asked to swallow.

Seriously TC?? How much "official" BS and overt ongoing PsyOps are we expected to swallow? We can ALL access the very same data and info on the interwebs. We can all gauge and weigh the credibility (or lack thereof) of this gubmnt since Poppy Bush openly proclaimed his "New World Order". It's not as though there is a secret conspiracy; It's WIDE OPEN.

Since 911, the degree of baloney and lies spewed out of the multi-headed Hydra (Ministry of Propaganda, aka Media, Ministry of Tyranny, aka, Gubmint, Ministry of Re-Education, aka Academe, and brainwashing from Ministry of 'Bread and Circuses' has only gotten worse.

REMEMBER and EMBRACE:

"Diversity is our Strength"...."We're from the gubmint and here to help"...."Islam is the Religion of Peace"...

Oh...Come on and sing along about Hope and Change!!:

Liberator  posted on  2017-07-27   15:03:34 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#102. To: Deckard (#98) (Edited)

Give these people a voting day every year, so that they’ll have the illusion of meaningless choice, meaningless choice that we go like slaves and say, Joe, I voted.

The limits of debate in this country are, are, are established before the debate even begins. And everyone else is marginalized, and made to seem there to be communist or some sort of disloyal person.

A kook...there's a word... and now it’s conspiracy, say, they made that something that’s, that is, that is should not be even entertained for a minute that powerful people might get together and have a plan, it doesn’t happen you are a kook, you are a conspiracy buff.

Not a fan of Carlin, but he DID nail *most* of this to the wall.

The "Kookery" definition as well as "conspiracy"; His claim that the limits of debate are usually established before the debate even begins (Trump's smashing of that usual limit on debate is why the Establishment hated/hates PRESIDENT Donald Trump. Ironically, I doubt that Carlin would have voted for him.)

Yes, Carlin got much right...now instead one is marginalized (rightfully IMO) as a "Communist," one is marginalized (by the Media/Academe/Entertainment cabals) as a Conservative.

George Carlin was an absolute enigma. He was conflicted in that he supported BOTH censorship AND Free Speech.

He blamed Christianity for the ills of the world, but was a disciple of rabid and militant Atheism -- a system and cult that is as tyrannical and misguided as any in history.

Liberator  posted on  2017-07-27   15:23:19 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#103. To: nolu chan (#90)

You can consider the obvious, that it was not it was not a deliberate attempt to fool anyone. The building is in the background.

It just seems far more likely that someone relayed all the talk on the ground that the building was coming down (like very soon), and someone else took it to mean the building is coming down (like, as we speak it is collapsing).

Speculation. Plausible? Maybe.

Given the entire array of the inexplicable and lies that day I'm not willing to give the benefit of doubt. TO ANYONE OR HIS/HER ORG WHO WAS REPORTING.

It still reeks of part of a larger script.

There is an overabundance of visual evidence that 7WTC was a demolition.

I agree 100%.

The BBC goof is a distraction.

OR rather one of the pages of the days script was dropped, then re-shuffled erroneously.

Liberator  posted on  2017-07-27   15:30:02 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#104. To: Liberator (#101)

I don't quite understand why someone should be so dismissive of the truth rather than endorsing and supporting a bureaucracy and machination that LIES AS A RULE ABOUT EVERYTHING.

If you enjoy being a kook, by all means, be a flaming kook.

It is worth noting that all these CTs have a certain tendency: they start in the tabloid press, like National Enquirer, or as a CT of the American Left. Then they generally get discredited or the Lefties lose interest. Then a few years later, the same writers and speakers and "experts" have migrated to flack their wares to a rightwing audience instead.

We see this pattern the JFK CTs, the moon landing CTs, the 9/11 CTs and, most recently, the migration of the 0bama birth certificate scandal from Lefty Hitlery supporters to that of Trump and the right wing.

Just because Stone seems content to let some of you turn LF into Kook Central doesn't mean you have gained any majority among conservatives. It just means you've overtaken another small almost-nonexistent chat forum that lacks moderation of any kind. IOW, the only kind of forum where you CTers can ever prevail.

Kook on. Enjoy yourself.

Tooconservative  posted on  2017-07-27   16:34:34 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#105. To: Tooconservative (#104)

It is worth noting that all these CTs have a certain tendency: they start in the tabloid press, like National Enquirer, or as a CT of the American Left. Then they generally get discredited or the Lefties lose interest. Then a few years later, the same writers and speakers and "experts" have migrated to flack their wares to a rightwing audience instead.

We see this pattern the JFK CTs, the moon landing CTs, the 9/11 CTs and, most recently, the migration of the 0bama birth certificate scandal from Lefty Hitlery supporters to that of Trump and the right wing.

National Enquirer?? That rag has gotten MORE right than the REAL tabloids: The New York Times OR NY Daily News.

You *might* have gotten away with this kind of narrative years ago. BUT NOT NOW.

There are just too many sources, witnesses, and recorded archives that can back up REAL claims instead of bizarre narratives invented by a Media, aka Propaganda/Tabloid Machine that is married to either the Democrat Party OR Global Firsters.

The Truth is the Enemy of Tyranny. How can you deny that?

I expect you to buy 0bammy's fictional comic book history. WHICH by way is ENTIRELY BLANK. How do you explain that, TC? It's ALL in The Vault. Since Day One. How does simply calling someone a "Birther" help your cult? I realize it's much easier NOT addressing THE ISSUE. Just like calling someone a "racist." OR "homophobe." The burden of proof falls ON YOU. At least THREE phony BC's were submitted. The LAST and ONLY person who might have challenged or refuted Bammy's BC claim conveniently "drowned."

I suppose you are also going to claim that 0bama isn't a flamer, Muzzie, Marxist, Druggie, and hater of America? That he didn't target conservatives and GOP with Gestapo tactics with blatant harassment, intimidation, and blackmail through his SS-like Bureaucracy?

Are you going to deny the Fast & Furious op? Any of us could fill this page with proof that the guy is NOT what you, hard-core Statists, and Democrats say he is.

Bubba Klintoon's "Body Count" -- MORE "fiction" from a "Tabloid Press"?

Practically the very first thing Dubya did was vault ALL of Bubba's baggage. Wanna explain THAT? Or are you going to claim THAT is "Tabloid fodder"?

NO ONE who has seen what's happened to our freedoms, our society, and sanctioned social anarchy since 911 can with a straight face say the US Gubmint hasn't lied through their teeth as a rule -- with the "news" sources YOU claim are legit (NYT/WaPo/CNN/NBC, etc) backing their lies up to the hilt.

So you prefer to be a bleating, nodding Sheeple? Hey, by all means, be a flaming Sheeple. But adding 2+2 STILL = 4. This Gubmint STILL can't tell the truth, and the "news" sources at whose altar you kneel for the "truth" STILL report what they are told. And censor and filter THE truth. Yes, that's right -- WHAT THEY ARE TOLD. Just as on 9/11.

Liberator  posted on  2017-07-27   17:09:28 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#106. To: Tooconservative, conspiracy to manufacture CTs, Liberator (#104)

It is worth noting that all these CTs have a certain tendency: they start in the tabloid press, like National Enquirer, or as a CT of the American Left. Then they generally get discredited or the Lefties lose interest. Then a few years later, the same writers and speakers and "experts" have migrated to flack their wares to a rightwing audience instead.

We see this pattern the JFK CTs, the moon landing CTs, the 9/11 CTs and, most recently, the migration of the 0bama birth certificate scandal from Lefty Hitlery supporters to that of Trump and the right wing.

A comprehensive Conspiracy Theory, theory! You're a CT kOoK!

An impressive effort that covers decades of conspiracy, spanning generations.


The D&R terrorists hate us because we're free, to vote second party

"We (government) need to do a lot less, a lot sooner" ~Ron Paul

Hondo68  posted on  2017-07-27   17:11:39 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  



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