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Title: Old America versus the rotten new
Source: Lew Rockwell
URL Source: https://www.lewrockwell.com/2017/07/paul-craig-roberts/old-america/
Published: Jul 14, 2017
Author: Paul Craig Roberts
Post Date: 2017-07-14 08:57:55 by Deckard
Keywords: None
Views: 16035
Comments: 64

He had lugged the 50 lb. bag of Milorganite into the garden in order to discover, as on many prior occasions, that he had nothing with which to open it. He blamed this on the war on terror and the TSA. As a youth he, as did every boy, had a pocket knife. Always. It was expected. There was no school rule against pocket knives. Once for a period they even all had switchblades. You could get them for 99 cents, a large amount in those days, enough to buy a case of 24 Coca-Colas.

The switchblades met with school and parental disapproval as they smacked of New York gangs. But before teachers and parents came up with a policy, the boys had abandoned the switchblades. The knives had weak springs. Fascinated with the speed with which the knives opened with a satisfying click and locked the blade into place, the boys quickly wore out the springs on their switchblades. Unlike their trusty pocket knives, the switchblades quickly became useless.

He no longer carried a pocket knife. He had learned long ago that things that go into pockets become habitual. He would forget to take the knife out when he rushed to catch his flight, just as he always forgot to put the knife in his pocket when he went to work in the garden. There would be a scene at the airport, confiscation of the knife, which had been his grandfather’s, and TSA questioning. They might want him to be strip searched. He could miss his flight. Such a large expensive organization as TSA needs justification, and so whereas the TSA officers might be reasonable, he could not count on it. Under the law, he could be accused and prosecuted. One never knew.

He could remember the air shuttle between Washington and New York. The planes flew on the hour. You could show up 10 minutes before takeoff and be seated. If one airplane wasn’t enough, they would provide a second. There was no security, no delays.

He didn’t like being drawn back into memories of the past. It made him acutely aware how difficult just simple things had become over the course of his life, like carrying a pocket knife. A couple of weeks ago he had been on vacation at a gated mountain resort. He enjoyed hiking along the streams and visiting the waterfalls. He had managed to rent at the airport a sports sedan and was looking forward to a morning workout at the exercise center and then a semi-spirited drive along mountain roads outside the resort. As he was changing into his workout clothes, the telephone rang. As he rushed to stay on schedule his billfold with driving license did not make the clothes change.

He discovered this at the exercise center. It was 10 minutes back to his cabin and then 10 minutes back in the direction of the exit gate. Why had he agreed to a telephone interview? If he went back for his license, his drive would be rushed and not enjoyable. He could go without his license, but suppose something happened, such as a collision with a deer. Would the police accept a reasonable story and the car rental papers for ID, or would he be hauled to jail, a long flight away from his lawyer? The days of reasonable police, he thought, were bygone days. The morning was shot. The only thing to do was to vent his frustration in exercise and return to his cabin for the telephone interview.

Even the innocence of words had been lost. There were many words that could no longer be used. They had been banished down the memory hole. A professor friend had told him that he was subjected to a dressing down by a dean because he had used the word “girl” in class. “Girl” is now considered offensive to women.

In restaurants in the South, waitresses called the men “honey.” “What will it be, honey?” The men called the waitresses “darling.” He wondered about that today. Perhaps in small towns. Since the advent of interstate highways, small towns had passed out of his experience. He wondered if they still had restaurants or just fast food franchises.

It got worse. The floodgates of memory had opened. He was given his first firearm at age 10. It was a single barrel .410 shotgun. When he was 12 he was given a .22 pistol. Many of his friends had guns. The countryside was nearby and many urban families had farm relatives. He remembered, too, that all the kids were subjected to corporal punishment. Today a parent who spanked a kid or provided one with a firearm would be arrested, likely prosecuted, and the kid put into foster care where there was a risk of being leased out to a pedophile group.

He could remember riding his horse into the town three miles from his grandparents’ farm with a real pistol strapped to his side and a rifle in the scabbard when he was 12 or 13. No one said a thing. Today a SWAT team would be on the scene. He would be lucky not to be shot dead and never know the fate of his grandparents, who would be guilty of all sorts of offenses, including failure to supervise a minor.

That reminded him of what he had recently read in a newspaper. On a cul-de-sac devoid of car traffic a mother sat in a chair outside the house while her child played in the front lawn. A busybody neighbor, trained to report parental malfeasance, whose view of the mother was blocked by shrubbery, saw an unsupervised child at play and called the police. When the police arrived, they arrested the mother on the basis of the unverified report from the neighbor. The mother was taken to jail.

The newspaper did not say what had happened to the child, whether the kid was taken to foster care and whether the husband had to rush home from his job and ply lawyers with money to help put his family back together. These kinds of horrors inflicted on families by public authorities often have worst consequences than the predations of criminals. He wondered if parents and children would be safer if the police were disbanded and outlawed.

Yet, society had accepted these abuses as justified. What, he thought, would have been the public reaction when he was a kid? The policemen would have been fired, the chief disciplined, and the mayor would have lost the next election. It would not have been possible for them to become heroes by destroying a family. The busybody neighbor would have become a pariah in the community.

Just the other day he had seen a grandmother at the supermarket with tattoos and face piercings. A grandmother? How had this come about? At the mountain resort pool and exercise center it wasn’t just the men. He had seen young women who were covered in tattoos. A friend told him that some women not only had face and tongue piercings, but also navel, labia, and clitoris piercings. Piercings were what he remembered from boyhood days of looking through stacks of National Geographic magazines from the 1940s and 1950s. Articles explained with words and photographs facial piercing practices by tribes in “darkest Africa.” Now they were the practices of upper-class women who played in resorts.

He recalled his father’s first rule of business: “Never hire anyone with a tattoo.” Tattoos were what sailors did who got drunk in Asian ports. They demonstrated poor judgment and a lack of self-restraint. If anyone sober got a tattoo, it indicated a lack of self-respect. If an employee did not respect himself, he would not respect the job. His father would have a hard time assembling a workforce today.

A couple of years ago a college classmate told him that their noble old fraternity had been suspended by the college president. A black female student claimed that racial slurs had been shouted at her from an open window. The fraternity was able to show that all the windows had been painted shut for years, probably dating back to when the house was air conditioned. But the college president wasn’t going to dispute a black female’s word on the basis of evidence. It could mean protests, charges of racism, broken windows, newspaper and trustee inquiries. Bad PR for the college. It was safer to hand the fraternity a bit of injustice.

Recently, he had arrived at the supermarket in a cloudburst. There were a dozen parking spaces by the entrance, but they were marked “Handicapped Parking $500 Fine.” He remembered when the handicapped said that they wanted to be treated like everyone else. Now they had privileges. He wondered about those signs. Did they give offense? “Handicapped” was one of those discarded words. They hadn’t got around to replacing the signs.

He remembered, too, when males did not use four-letter words in front of parents or females. Now the young woman could out-cuss his male generation.

More memories. If you scraped a car while street parking, you were expected to leave a note with the name and telephone number and expect to pay for the repair. He had once told some young people this and they laughed at the joke.

Something had happened. He had been brought up to be a citizen in a world that no longer existed.

At least there still were gardens. He put away his thoughts and went to get his knife.

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#1. To: Deckard (#0)

Yep.

VxH  posted on  2017-07-14   10:04:17 ET  (1 image) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#2. To: Deckard (#0)

His father would have a hard time assembling a workforce today.

True, but not because of tattoos. Candidates are failing the drug test. They don't know how to work with others. They have no work ethic. They can't speak well or do simple math. Half of them dropped out of school. We have rising out-of-wedlock births and we actually honor "single moms". Instead of taking personal responsibility, people take their case to social media.

You want to focus on the growing number of laws and rules and ordinances and long for the old days? Fine. But you're missing the bigger picture -- society itself.

misterwhite  posted on  2017-07-14   10:41:46 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#3. To: misterwhite (#2)

True, but not because of tattoos.

Can you prove it? Society seemed to start really sucking a lot more around the time that every punk and asshole in the country decided they had to turn themselves into hideous billboards of bad art and corny platitudes.

Tattoos are nearly always tacky.

Tooconservative  posted on  2017-07-14   13:23:33 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#4. To: Tooconservative (#3)

Society seemed to start really sucking a lot more around the time that every punk and asshole in the country decided they had to turn themselves into hideous billboards of bad art and corny platitudes.

You know - tattoos at one time were a way to express one's "individuality"

Nowdays, the cool people shun tattoos.

“Truth is treason in the empire of lies.” - Ron Paul

Those who most loudly denounce Fake News are typically those most aggressively disseminating it.

Deckard  posted on  2017-07-14   14:56:59 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#5. To: misterwhite (#2)

They don't know how to work with others...They can't speak well or do simple math.

I blame computers for a lot of that.

“Truth is treason in the empire of lies.” - Ron Paul

Those who most loudly denounce Fake News are typically those most aggressively disseminating it.

Deckard  posted on  2017-07-14   15:00:22 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#6. To: Deckard, rlk, Mudboy Slim, Jersey Guys, REAL Americans (#0) (Edited)

Awesome bitter-sweet ode to 'Old America, Past'. A KEEPER.

Yes, of course there were still bad things happening as well as bad people still doing evil things. HOWEVER, no one was making excuses for it OR celebrating depravity and anarchy.

Oh, to be "brought up to be a citizen in a world that no longer exists." What a blessing. Though Rockwell includes the 1940s, my early childhood era (spent in a New jersey burb on the edge of Newark from the late 1950s though early-mid 60s era) was as close to bliss as life would ever get.

As a 7 year old, I could walk through the center of town ALONE, without a concern in the world. (And I'm talking about a town of 50,000 -- Bloomfield, NJ). It boasted two movie theaters, a Kresge's, Grant's, and Woolworths -- an idyllic American burb.

https://www.pinterest.com/rjakubik53/memories-of-bloomfieldnj/


Here is/was Bloomfield's legendary landmark 'Short-Stop' diner: Manned by good-hearted, hard-working tough workers; its stools sat on by mutant customers-to-doctors, side-by-side. No one cared. All were well behaved. THE BEST grilled burgers and fries EVER till this day. Their $.45 cent burger: fresh chopped meat, grilled onions, pickles, and toasted bun were gold. Located right off the Garden State Parkway, Exit 148. Replace by a Dunkin' Donuts." :-(

ANYHOO...back then, Fatherly Wisdom (aka common sense) was universal. And it not necessarily come from your father; it could come from a *friend's* father, a mother, an uncle, a teacher, an elderly or young neighbor, a baseball coach, the guy who ran the corner "Sweet Shop," an older kid, etal.

There was no Liberal or Conservative or Democrat or Republican or White or Black "wisdom"; God was still feared and revered, and the President was still a man to be looked up to.

Call those days, 'The Leave It To Beaver Years'. And be proud that you lived it, admired it, OR refer to it as "THE pinnacle of American Identity."

I'm not making that America into some kind of Utopia -- no, it wasn't perfect. BUT THERE WAS A social UNIVERSAL STANDARD, (was there not?) It was a kinder, polite, simpler, America for those fortunate to have lived it; even at that, one must *remember* those days actually existed. Lew Rockwell captured succinctly the social dichotomy of a seemingly overnight transformation of "America" especially well.

For SOME reason, RAW, EDGY, RAUNCHY, CONFRONTATIONAL *everything* seemingly suddenly became the requisite mind-set soon after Lenny Bruce left his mark on "comedy," the JFK assassination -- as well as the wake of Beatle-Mania.

Wasn't it through the "entertainment" medium that America's cultural and political well across the board became poisoned as narcissism, rebellion, rude & crude became "cool"?

Seemingly overnight, every*one* AND every*thing* that all else preceding those early 1960s events were re-portrayed as counterfeit, naive, old-fashioned, silly, and...especially *unsophisticated.*

If I could pinpoint the cultural hijacking, I'd say between 1967-1972 TV and Movie themes became decidedly subversive and mainstream.

For example, as purely a matter of advancing a social agenda, CBS execs even purged highly rated rural-setting TV shows (Beverly Hillbillies, Green Acres, Bonanza, etc.)

Flicks -- though arguably entertaining -- *also* conveyed and promoted subversive, rebellious themes as Movie Ratings were changed to become more suggestive: 'The Graduate,' 'Easy Rider,' A Clockwork Orange, etc.

As usual, I would attribute the sudden change to a massive despoiling of the human spirit....

At its epicenter we'll find THE PSYCHIATRIC "profession," which was given license by the shadowy "PTB" to redefine "good and evil" as well as advancing and promoting Moral Relativism and eventual PC, aka Fascism.

Arguably, "America's Religion" since the end of "Ronald Reagan's America," has become, Secular Humanism.

Liberator  posted on  2017-07-14   15:18:57 ET  (1 image) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#7. To: Liberator (#6)

Awesome bitter-sweet ode to 'Old America, Past'. A KEEPER.

AoS had their morning thread today, just re-posting a single comment made by user grizzledcoastie on another thread:

When I was 8 during the summer back in the summer of 1968, we'd swim in the bayou, fish all day, live in the woods near my home playing guns (liberals of today would have kittens), football (no helmets or pads), basketball and baseball. We caught crawfish and our dads would boil them in a huge picnic with the corn and potatoes. We'd wave to the shrimp boats and the party boats headed to the Gulf and they'd blow their horns to us on the bank.

I never really watched a lot of TV and never had a reason to do so. I did chores, such as clipping the beautiful hedges that surrounded our parcel like a living fence and mowing the grass under our giant live oak tree with an old push mower. I started mowing the grass when I was 8 and I got an allowance

My parents had a big, screened in porch that overlooked the bayou and we'd have sleepouts on it. We'd sneak outside and look at the massive amount stars overhead.

We'd walk alone to the gas station on the corner and spend some of our allowances on classic candy and Barq's or Cokes in a glass bottle. The summers on the Gulf Coast were hot as hell, but it wasn't because of "global warming/climate change/whatever they'll call it tomorrow." It's the South. It's hot in the summer. Either you deal with it or you don't.

We'd flirt with the neighborhood girls and steal kisses and have little relationships. That's how I met my wife for the first time and we started dating in high school.

The only rules were you had to come inside for lunch and supper and playtime ended when the sun went down.

If someone got hurt, we got an adult. It was no big deal. One time, a friend of mine broke his arm and his Dad took him to the hospital, which was 24 miles away in the city. There was no nanny state going after him for "abuse." His attitude, like all of our parents, were "boys will be boys."

Vietnam was raging, but it was so distant. It wasn't until a boy from up the street died that it became a real thing for me. There were very few black kids in our town, so civil rights was also a distant thing for me.

I sold that house after my parents passed on and I do tear up when I think of it. My Dad never spoke of his time in Korea and not that I blamed him. All I knew was he had a Bronze Star that I happened on one day. I showed it to him and he gently said to put that away and never speak of it ever again. When I read the award after his death, I never realized that my Dad had the courage of a lion.

Now kids can't be kids. They have live in hermetically sealed bubbles. We wonder why there is a childhood obesity epidemic (everything to the nanny staters is an "epidemic") when we won't let kids have their independence and play as kids were meant to do. We don't let "boys be boys." We have to drug them with Ritalin so they won't leave their seats and be active. I was busy as a child, but my teachers accepted that as part of "boys being boys." You want to know why we have man buns and skinny, feminized hipsters and there's your answer right there.

We don't let them learn at their pace and by methods guaranteed to help them. And we wonder why more women are attending college, not that is a good thing since they come out propagandized by the feminist movement into hating men and delaying childbirth or not even having kids.

Our elites denigrate flyover country and blue collar workers, at least until they need a plumber to unclog their pipes or a roofer to plug holes in their leaking roof.

I'm sorry about rambling here, but there's so much in this society that makes me so depressed for the world I hand over to my children and now my grandchild. We need to continue to belittle this bunk from these perennial, freedom-hating busybodies and give our children a chance to have the rich childhoods that ultimately prepare them to be the great future citizens our nation needs them to be.

Tooconservative  posted on  2017-07-14   15:53:44 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#8. To: Deckard (#5)

I blame computers for a lot of that.

I blame our education system which promotes children to the next grade based on their age, not their abilities. By the time the child reaches high school, they're so frustrated and embarrassed by their inability to read, write, and do simple math that they drop out.

With no high school diploma, no skills, no work ethic, and an attitude, they're destined to fail in life.

misterwhite  posted on  2017-07-14   16:28:14 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#9. To: Tooconservative, redleghunter, Vicomte13, Deckard, All Youse Guys (#7)

Thanks, TC, for sharing a great re-telling of this guy's memories. PRICELESS.

His Part 2, where also compares, contrasts, and rues the ruination of Daze Past is especially well done -- again, Bitter-Sweet.

Without the bad of our modern world, what *would* we compare our "good" to?? PERSPECTIVE. We all need it. Without the dark there is no light.

If this were a New Outer Limits' episode, those golden memories would be stolen booty, "currency" extracted by a future evil science. In fact I do believe that IS one episode theme. (IF anyone hasn't watched the 'New Outer Limits' (1995-2002?), I highly recommend it. At te time I believe it was a 'Showtime' cable series. As I've watched many episodes, MANY of it's "future" themes are eerily coming to or have already come to fruition. Fwiw, I've recently watched on Hulu via Roku.)

I like the idea of guys/gals like us at an LF, FR, or where ever (Aaah -- this is "Ace of Spades"?) sharing their own unique snapshot of memories -- be they a moment, a day, a week, summer -- era. You see? This guy obviously grew up in a very different environ than me, yet, I relate totally. It's 'Merica. Most of us -- because we shared pretty much the same "universal" American values and culture -- lived "together". Me in Joisey, this guy, grizzledcoastie.

Great comments too...

It was the summer of 1968...

....The only rules were you had to come inside for lunch and supper and playtime ended when the sun went down....

...If someone got hurt, we got an adult. It was no big deal.

Roger ALL that.

Liberator  posted on  2017-07-14   17:11:21 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#10. To: Liberator (#9)

Roger ALL that.

If you're old enough, it was almost a universal experience. Even in cities and populous states, much of it held true.

Tooconservative  posted on  2017-07-14   17:21:43 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#11. To: misterwhite, Deckard, Vicomte13 (#8)

I blame our education system which promotes children to the next grade based on their age, not their abilities.

By the time the child reaches high school, they're so frustrated and embarrassed by their inability to read, write, and do simple math that they drop out.

With no high school diploma, no skills, no work ethic, and an attitude, they're destined to fail in life.

Interesting theory of "frustration" and "embarrassment" over the self-discovery among certain demos that vegetables possess MORE brains than they do.

Vic will have an interesting take on this...Here is MINE:

I happen to believe this phenomena is now a TRIBAL, CULTURAL bane. "Embarrassment" requires" a conscience and sense of shame. MOST of these pods have none. ZERO.What they DO possess (and are TAUGHT) is a personal and group narcissism, and exclusive sense of entitlement. They are "embarrassed" when they don't get over on others -- ESPECIALLY Whitey and "The System."

There is a monumentally warped "code" of ethics in Homeyville. 75-80% fatherless family will accomplish a LOT of damage individually as well as societally. The Democrat-Left LOVES this vicious cycle, as it maintians a system where NO ONE is embarrassed to be a parasite OR in possession of ZERO skills -- social or otherwise. ONE EXCEPTION: Spreading seed/getting pregnant.

One of their ONLY "frustration" these pods have is in not screwing ANYTHING and EVERYTHING that moves; They CAN do math: 2 Dime-Bags at $50 per bag = $100.00.

Reading and writing? Another story...

EPIDEMIC now for how many generations?: When LeMonterius can actually read AND write in 4th Grade, his classmate beat the s#it out of him until he can't (or won't). By 8th Grade, LeMonterius has "learned" that "tude" is all that matters in life. He now *leads* the mob in bashing the skulls of the remaining competent 'hood-students.

By "Graduation," IF they survive attendance and merely show up on THE day, Zucchini, Squash, and Bags-of-Hammers" are all given Diplomas.

The percentage of boys (and girls) who actually learn how to read, write, and do addition in Public School is such a low number that NO ONE is left to be "embarrassed" at their inability to speak properly, read OR write anything but Ebonics. Public School/Gubmint drones used to care...but because there is NO actual enforcement of student discipline (thanks to Fascist-Commie Cartels the ACLU and SPLC), Public School teachers aren't willing to RISK THEIR LIVES.

Again -- by this time, HS Graduates with 3rd Grade educations have also learned WHO TO BLAME for their shortcomings, as well as inevitable poverty and broken famlies for the rest of their lives: WHITEY. Oh...and COPS. (But NOT their absentee father or their part-time mother.)

Those who demonstrate athetics skills are given FREE sports scholarships. Those who lacks sports skills are STILL given FREE college tuition. Profiting in the scam of ALL scams is America's Monopoly of ALL Monopolies: The Education "Industry." TENURED TEACHERS, College Professors, and their respective colleges and universities have been generously compensated BY the State via the Taxpayer.

"Failure" has an entirely different definition in the hardcore hood...

THIS is why NFLer Jimmy Brown and other Blacks met with Trump. They realize the Democrat Party desperately wants to maintain the status quo of American Blacks as angry, hateful, and at War against Whitey, whom is blamed for ALL their ills.

This is called the Democrat Plantation. Unfortunately, only about 5% of America's Blacks are wise to this diabolical generational sabotage and racial divisiveness, realizing exactly who is responsible for this half-century long plan and design that has undermined and wreaked havoc upon the Black Family. So they despise the Democrats Party and even despise some o their own brethren for refusing to see through the Democrats ruse (especially Black Dem politicians.) They do so at the risk of the inevitable: being ostracized.

Liberator  posted on  2017-07-14   20:12:45 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#12. To: Tooconservative (#10) (Edited)

If you're old enough, it was almost a universal experience.

Even in cities and populous states, much of it held true.

*WE* believe it's an almost universal experience. But is it because most of OUR baby-boomer demo lived in two-parent families in the burbs?

How much was the experience "universal" because of sharing a commonality of the overall "American" culture and its expectations?

How much of that universality was because Marxist/militant Atheist university professors and public schools hadn't yet indoctrinated America into loathing itself and resenting our very own traditions, heritage, and identity?

From within the bowels of white Liberal-Marxist academia came the tidal wave of radical tenets, the so-called "Communist Manifesto," which as a matter of "social obligation" extolled rebellion, divisiveness, and rejection of all that was the bliss that was "White Bread/Leave-It-To-Beaver America."

Shame.

And here we are, "America" in name only, divided into a million slices of hate and division. The Globalist-Owned media, academia, and culture have shredded our past, our present...preemptively, and future.

Just over 70 years after 21 year old men stormed the beaches of Normandy and Iwo Jima in order the liberate Europe and Asia, thanks to the Pavlov's Dog LEFT, Democrat Party, and thousands of anti-Christian, Globalist Soros-clones, it was all for naught. The future belongs to Hitler and Stalin... AND Allah after all.

In the immortal recent words Of Vlad Putin: "Don't worry, be happy."

Liberator  posted on  2017-07-14   20:40:40 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#13. To: Tooconservative, Liberator (#10)

If you're old enough, it was almost a universal experience. Even in cities and populous states, much of it held true.

The lady across the street was the neighborhood watch. She had a house on the hill and could see all the kids playing. If we were up to no good, our parents would know when we all came in for dinner.

Instead of "when the sun set" for us it was when the street lights came on.

redleghunter  posted on  2017-07-14   21:08:52 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#14. To: redleghunter (#13)

Instead of "when the sun set" for us it was when the street lights came on.

On a farm, you disappeared before your parents decided you needed some chores to keep you busy.

Mom got some peace and quiet and those chores could still be assigned later.

People who handle farm animals are good at creating incentives for the little people.

Tooconservative  posted on  2017-07-14   21:44:54 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#15. To: Liberator (#6)

"If I could pinpoint the cultural hijacking, I'd say between 1967-1972 TV and Movie themes became decidedly subversive and mainstream. For example, as purely a matter of advancing a social agenda, CBS execs even purged highly rated rural-setting TV shows (Beverly Hillbillies, Green Acres, Bonanza, etc.) Flicks -- though arguably entertaining -- *also* conveyed and promoted subversive, rebellious themes as Movie Ratings were changed to become more suggestive: 'The Graduate,' 'Easy Rider,' A Clockwork Orange, etc. As usual, I would attribute the sudden change to a massive despoiling of the human spirit....At its epicenter we'll find THE PSYCHIATRIC "profession," which was given license by the shadowy "PTB" to redefine "good and evil" as well as advancing and promoting Moral Relativism and eventual PC, aka Fascism."

I believe you've nailed it, my FRiend...the deterioration of America's culture has been the result of a conscious--and sustained--effort by Marxist BigGuv'ment RATZ who caused massive Cultural Rot that created more "victims" and then the Progressive DemonRATZ/RINOZ rushed in to "solve" these cultural rot issues that THEY created. DeeCeeRATZ and their allies in the RATmedia, the HollyWeirdos, and the Communist SCUMbags who have hopelessly screwed up our Education System, turning ALL these institutions into propagandists for and ever-expanding, all-powerful Federal Leviathan.

Sickening, yes...but still reversible, iMho. Despite what the RATmedia leads folks to believe, these despotic RATZ are NOT the majority in America. And as the RATmedia continues to put their anti-American BIAS out there for all to see, we have the opportunity to use this time as a "teachable moment" for all those RAT-minions who fell for the LIES they were fed by their teachers in school and the Vast, LeftWing Media WHORE'd almost everywhere else. Hopefully, enough folks will WAKE UP once they see what FOOLS the RATZ have made of them to generate a groundswell of anti-DeeCee cynicism to genuinely proceed with the process of "draining the swamp" and gradually DISempowering the bureaucRATic state that does sooo much damage to America.

We've got a long way to go, of course, but Trump's election has given me NEW HOPE that the Marxist RAT-invasion is reversible as long as WeThePeople do not lose heart.

Regards...MUD

"Devolve Power Outta the Federal Leviathan and Back to the States,
Localities, and Individuals as Prescribed in the US Constitution."

Mudboy Slim  posted on  2017-07-15   10:53:09 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#16. To: Mudboy Slim, sneakypete, redleghunter (#15)

Thanks, Mud....

You've sussed out the blame well:

...A conscious--and sustained--effort by Marxist BigGuv'ment RATZ who caused massive Cultural Rot that created more "victims" and then the Progressive DemonRATZ/RINOZ rushed in to "solve" these cultural rot issues that THEY created. DeeCeeRATZ and their allies in the RATmedia, the HollyWeirdos, and the Communist SCUMbags who have hopelessly screwed up our Education System, turning ALL these institutions into propagandists for and ever-expanding, all-powerful Federal Leviathan.

True dat.

However, you forgot the collusion-wing that has been the NWO RINO-Bush-Rockefeller Elites. THAT part of the Leviathon and "The Swamp" has been hiding in the reeds in plain sight. I deem IT even MORE diabolic than the RATS -- simply because they do sport the (R) label. It's given them immunity and impunity TO collude and collaborate. At least with Dems, what you see is what you get.

Had you seen Tucker Carlson's recent interview with pro-Hawk, McCain ally, Trump-hater, Ralph Peters? (cleaned his clock.) Or his interview with globalist CFR saboteur Max Boot? (again -- Tucker exposed and cleaned HIS clock. WELL worth watching on YT.)

And then there is Globalist CIA Op, Robert Baer. His recommendation (interviewed somewhere else) is to use the American military to further FUBAR the ME, completing the NWO/Globalists' mission of assassinating the remaining secular Muslim leaders, and allowing the remaining voids to be replace with hardcore Muzzie groups -- yes, like ISIS. Baer's insane opinion mirrors that of Peters and Boot. TO A TEE.

What they ALL have in common is:

1) Angry GLOBALISTS who HATE Trump
2) Hating Russia and Putin unconditionally.
3) Wanting to start a war WITH Russia, and insanely, WW3. 4) Wanting to oust Assad(!) (Coincidentally, they ALL supported ousting secular Muzzie leaders, Saddam, Qaddafi, Mubarak while supporting the 0bama/Hitlery Muslim Spring Operation.) 5) Plotting AGAINST President Trump. THESE seditious, treasonous NWO Tools are part of the visible "Deep State" machination.

Like an iceberg, most of these CFR/NWO creatures are working below the surface of Foggy Bottom to sabotage President Trump AND the USA on behalf of the NWO agenda.

Peters, Boots, and Baer: ALL three supported HILLARY! All three are part of THE ongoing Coup. Their seditious agenda tells us all we need to know about about why we've seen a never-ending bladder stream and diarrhea, aka so-called "leaks" and Trump's so-called "dossier" from CNN, NYT, etal.

Liberator  posted on  2017-07-15   13:02:32 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#17. To: redleghunter, Tooconservative (#13)

The lady across the street was the neighborhood watch. She had a house on the hill and could see all the kids playing. If we were up to no good, our parents would know when we all came in for dinner.

Always one of those busy-body tattle-tale old broads seemingly back then. UNLESS you grew up on a farm (TC, was that where you grew up?)

Heh -- defining, "Up to no good" BACK THEN?? Cocking our "halo" to the side ;-)...Basically uttering some "disrespectful" lip ("Aw, geez whiz, Mrs. Cleaver!! I didn't *think* I was being a little devil.")

Liberator  posted on  2017-07-15   14:50:25 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#18. To: redleghunter, Tooconservative (#13)

Instead of "when the sun set" for us it was when the street lights came on.

Hmmm...during the summer that was reasonably late.

Dad's "Dinner Time" whistle (our house bordered a tech school baseball/soccer/football field) was enough to stop a game mid way or at ANY point and come home. Dinner Time was a sacred family time (man, have things changed :-(, eh?) And everyone understood, no one teased anyone else. We all knew everyone had to respect THE RULES.

Liberator  posted on  2017-07-15   14:55:13 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#19. To: Liberator (#18)

Hmmm...during the summer that was reasonably late.

I always thought so. Parents let their kids show up at 9:30pm in the summer, having been gone all day long with no food. What, then Mom feeds them and she would finish her dishes after 10pm? It never made sense to me.

We knew that we were expected to show up for meals at noon and at 6pm. And they better not have to come look for you or worry about where you were. They were too busy to do much babysitting just because kids were being careless. And my mom cooked three full meals a day, two with beef or pork and with a dessert, few leftovers. So my dad considered it insulting to her if we didn't show up to eat it.

Tooconservative  posted on  2017-07-15   15:14:22 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#20. To: Liberator (#17)

Always one of those busy-body tattle-tale old broads seemingly back then.

You mean, like this archetype?

Tooconservative  posted on  2017-07-15   15:21:16 ET  (1 image) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#21. To: Deckard (#4)

You know - tattoos at one time were a way to express one's "individuality"

Nowdays, the cool people shun tattoos.

You know tats and piercings are past their "best if used by..." time when you see 100 lb overweight grannies with them,trying to look like "bad bitches".

In the entire history of the world,the only nations that had to build walls to keep their own citizens from leaving were those with leftist governments.

sneakypete  posted on  2017-07-15   18:07:51 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#22. To: Deckard (#5)

They don't know how to work with others...They can't speak well or do simple math.

I blame computers for a lot of that.

Don't. The guy I had up here today doing yardwork for me for minimum wage is a recent HS graduate that is 19,and reads at a 3rd grade level. Doesn't own a computer and has never used a computer because he can't read and has a hard time thinking. No doubt due to lack of practice.

In the entire history of the world,the only nations that had to build walls to keep their own citizens from leaving were those with leftist governments.

sneakypete  posted on  2017-07-15   18:09:33 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#23. To: Liberator, TooConservative (#17)

Always one of those busy-body tattle-tale old broads seemingly back then. UNLESS you grew up on a farm (TC, was that where you grew up?) Heh -- defining, "Up to no good" BACK THEN?? Cocking our "halo" to the side ;-)...Basically uttering some "disrespectful" lip ("Aw, geez whiz, Mrs. Cleaver!! I didn't *think* I was being a little devil.")

She was actually a great lady. My buddy's mom who would allow us to romp around the house and offered lemonade and cookies.

My buddy's dad was a retired cop so that made Mrs. B the neighborhood watch. :)

Jimmy B. was an Eyetalian youngest of 7. He was the team catcher and a good one. When I was not playing hot corner, I'd be getting signs from Jimmy on the mound. That was a good year. The Polish lefty would start the games with his smoke, Jimmy at the dish, me at 3B and last one or two innings I would close it out with off speed pitches. We all made the All Star team that year. What great times.

redleghunter  posted on  2017-07-15   22:26:51 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#24. To: Liberator (#18)

Hmmm...during the summer that was reasonably late.

Should have clarified.

We came home for dinner before the lights came on. After dinner we would play stick ball or shoot hoops under the street lights.

Baseball and woods exploration all day long after breakfast.

redleghunter  posted on  2017-07-15   23:00:03 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#25. To: redleghunter (#24)

Baseball and woods exploration all day long after breakfast.

We were expected to eat 3 squares a day. My mother considered it her duty.

If they fed today's couch potato kids what we ate back then, they'd all weigh 500 pounds when they graduated high school. Yet every kid I knew was whip thin. At most, a few had an extra 20 pounds. And maybe for every 5-6 grades in school, you'd have an actual obese kid, like 300 pounds. We had an obesity rate of under 0.5% back then, at least where I grew up. And almost no one had allergies other than hay fever and a few rare cases of asthma.

Tooconservative  posted on  2017-07-15   23:09:45 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#26. To: Liberator, TooConservative (#18)

There was also a game we played in the summer called "Round up." We would split all kids from 6 to teen age into two teams. Usually there were 7-10 kids per team. One team would hide throughout the neighborhood and nearby woods. The other had to find us and "capture" each team member. In order to be caught the fiding team not only had to find you but chase you down, grab your arm and say "round up, round up one two three. Once caught you went on the stairs "in jail." The game would not end until all were caught and put in jail. If the jail was unguarded a team member could come out of hiding and free the other team members. This took hours to play and was great exercise.

redleghunter  posted on  2017-07-15   23:10:24 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#27. To: sneakypete, Deckard (#22)

The guy I had up here today doing yardwork for me for minimum wage is a recent HS graduate that is 19,and reads at a 3rd grade level. Doesn't own a computer and has never used a computer because he can't read and has a hard time thinking. No doubt due to lack of practice.

He's probably a champion on Xbox and has some lovely tattoos though...

Tooconservative  posted on  2017-07-15   23:21:29 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#28. To: redleghunter (#26)

"Round up."

Very similar to our "capture the flag". Each team had a flag that the other team tried to capture. You hid and when you could move without being caught you looked for the other team's flag. If you found it you hollered and your team won. If captured (tagged) you were out and went to the designated place.

Anthem  posted on  2017-07-15   23:35:08 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#29. To: Tooconservative (#27)

He's probably a champion on Xbox and has some lovely tattoos though...

Don't know about the X-Box,but he has no visable tattoos and wears shirts he cut the sleeves off of to show his muscles,and shorts.

He doesn't even smoke,drink,or do drugs. Probably because he has been playing football all his life. He ends up being the designated driver when he goes out with his friends at night.

Kind of a weird guy. Worked for my friend at a local garage for a while. Not really the stereotypical bully despite just graduating from high school,being a starter on the football team,and being 6'7" and around 300 lbs. Kind of quiet and smiles a lot.

I have came to the conclusion that he's not as stupid as "read at a 3rd grade level" implies,but intellectually lazy. Probably teetering on the border between "low" and "normal" intelligence. When he was working for my friend he seemed to be able to follow simple instructions and actually learn the stuff he wanted to learn.

I think he just learned at a early age that if he just said he couldn't understand something and smile,people would leave him alone and not make him do it. He IS trainable as well as wanting to pull in a big paycheck,so I am pretty sure he will end up doing ok for himself in a year or two. He's not going to be going on SS disability for being learning disabled like a BUNCH of people do these days.

A couple of times I saw him doing things "the hard/slow way" and had to go over and show him how to do it the easy and quick way. I am a little undecided about why this was. It could be because he was sandbagging to get more hours/more pay,or it could have been because he was never required to do much thinking until getting out of school in June. He seemed to take direction cheerfully after I explained to him how he was doing it wrong,why it was wrong to do it that way,and showed him a easier and more efficient way to do it,but I caught him half-assing it again later on. Since he was working cheap and I haven't been able to find anyone else willing to do temporary yard work,I really didn't have much room to bitch at him for it.

In the entire history of the world,the only nations that had to build walls to keep their own citizens from leaving were those with leftist governments.

sneakypete  posted on  2017-07-16   10:51:49 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#30. To: sneakypete (#29)

He should move somewhere that he can get a decent factory job.

Tooconservative  posted on  2017-07-16   11:02:11 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#31. To: Tooconservative (#30)

He should move somewhere that he can get a decent factory job.

He can't even read and you expect him to learn Chinese?

In the entire history of the world,the only nations that had to build walls to keep their own citizens from leaving were those with leftist governments.

sneakypete  posted on  2017-07-16   19:09:29 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#32. To: sneakypete (#31)

R R R

Anthem  posted on  2017-07-16   19:28:08 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#33. To: Liberator (#16) (Edited)

"...you forgot the collusion-wing that has been the NWO RINO-Bush- Rockefeller Elites. THAT part of the Leviathon and "The Swamp" has been hiding in the reeds in plain sight. I deem IT even MORE diabolic than the RATS -- simply because they do sport the (R) label. It's given them immunity and impunity TO collude and collaborate. At least with Dems, what you see is what you get."

In my defense, I did attribute the BLAME 2 "...the Progressive DemonRATZ/RINOZ", fwiw...I despise what Sen. Grahamnesty has become...and McStain, and Romney...they R all Progressives from what I've surmised.

2*B cont....MUD

"Devolve Power Outta the Federal Leviathan and Back to the States,
Localities, and Individuals as Prescribed in the US Constitution."

Mudboy Slim  posted on  2017-07-17   17:28:06 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#34. To: Liberator (#16)

"Peters, Boots, and Baer: ALL three supported HILLARY! All three are part of THE ongoing Coup."

Bret Baer?! C'mon now, buddy...I dropped cable a few years back, but I never saw that bias on his Sunday morning show. Is Baer one of the BadGuys?!

"Devolve Power Outta the Federal Leviathan and Back to the States,
Localities, and Individuals as Prescribed in the US Constitution."

Mudboy Slim  posted on  2017-07-17   17:32:28 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#35. To: Liberator (#16)

BTW...nobody said "draining the swamp" would be EZ...MUD

"Devolve Power Outta the Federal Leviathan and Back to the States,
Localities, and Individuals as Prescribed in the US Constitution."

Mudboy Slim  posted on  2017-07-17   17:33:15 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#36. To: Liberator (#16)

True dat...MUD

"Devolve Power Outta the Federal Leviathan and Back to the States,
Localities, and Individuals as Prescribed in the US Constitution."

Mudboy Slim  posted on  2017-07-17   17:37:31 ET  (1 image) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#37. To: Liberator (#16)

"I have never let my schooling interfere with my education."
-- Mark Twain

(Compliments of the Linux FortuneBuilderZ program.)

Ain't THAT the Truth?! Now, moreso than EVER B4...MUD

"Devolve Power Outta the Federal Leviathan and Back to the States,
Localities, and Individuals as Prescribed in the US Constitution."

Mudboy Slim  posted on  2017-07-18   16:25:39 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#38. To: Mudboy Slim (#34)

Bret Baer?! C'mon now, buddy...I dropped cable a few years back, but I never saw that bias on his Sunday morning show. Is Baer one of the BadGuys?!

Mud -- you recall the very first GOP debate, right? It was Kelly, Wallace AND Bret Baer plotting then operating the plan to bait Trump right from the get go (Kelly fired the initial salvo at Trump, the one that began the Trump-hates-women" memo....

Anyhoo, Baer FOX's trio that evening were ALL in on The Conspiracy. Yes, including Baer. I also seem to recall Baer admitting that they were fully prepared to toss Trump off the stage in what they hoped would be Trump losing his cool.

IMO, Baer IS "one of the bad guys." His style is never over the top blatantly anti-Trump, yet is was obviously still there. He's a weasel. I know it's disappointing, but Trump alone has torn the mask off of many in show-biz as well as within the GOP and the Media.

Liberator  posted on  2017-07-23   10:59:30 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#39. To: Liberator (#38)

Trump is not even close to being "presidential stature." You are looking for non-objective questioning by the press. Maybe Trump should have been interviewed by you or some other choir boy?

buckeroo  posted on  2017-07-23   11:05:47 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#40. To: Mudboy Slim (#35)

BTW...nobody said "draining the swamp" would be EZ...

Nope, sure ain't. Especially when Trump appointed snakes like Tillerson and other Globalists to his cabinet.

Looks like even Sessions was part of that swamp. Recusing himself immediately of his duties as AG just The Swamp decided to use "RUSSIA!!" as the fake battering ram with which to hammer Trump has been THE key to this BS meme remaining alive politically as well as thru the Fake Media.

Trump was right when he recently explained that had he known Jeff Sessions would hang him out to dry on the subject, he'd have NEVER appointed him AG.

Liberator  posted on  2017-07-23   11:06:05 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  



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