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Title: Obama on DC Jihadis: "Fiercely loyal Muslims"
Source: Atlas Shrugs
URL Source: http://atlasshrugs2000.typepad.com/ ... is-fiercely-loyal-muslims.html
Published: Dec 11, 2009
Author: staff
Post Date: 2009-12-11 09:48:16 by Joe Snuffy
Keywords: War on Terror, Obama, US Muslim terrorists
Views: 36141
Comments: 91

Obama on DC Jihadis: "Fiercely loyal Muslims"

Crazy, man.

Check out the TOTUS's response today to the devastating news of five DC Muslim students tracked down and arrested in Pakistan. They were plotting jihad. What did Pres Moe say? He speaks about fiercely loyal Muslims ....loyal to whom exactly?

(vid hat tip KGS)

Obama spent a month in Pakistan during his college years ....perhaps he is, uh, sympathetic.

Here is a sampling of different posts in the past three months of fiercely loyal Muslim activity here in the good old USA:

Chicago Muslim Charged In Mumbai Islamic Massacre Planned More Terror Attacks in India

AMERICAN JIHAD: FBI INVESTIGATING 5 MISSING MUSLIM STUDENTS IN DC, POSSIBLE ARREST IN PAKISTAN

“I said he was acting...like a terrorist,” roommate of Jihadi who Murdered Binghamton Professor

Muslims of America Domestic Terror Jihad training camp videos to be released

Chicago Jihadis who Plotted to bomb Danish Cartoon Publisher at Halal Slaughterhouse Tied to Mumbai

Muslim Sentenced to Six-year jail term in Plot to Blow up Sears Tower: "Islamic terrorism is one of the most tremendous problem that this country now confronts ... this defendant took an oath to Al-Qaeda"

Beltway Jihadi Sniper John Muhammad: Death to the Jihadi Tonight

Fort Hood Jihad

Going Muslim on a Photographer outside Michigan Mosque

Son of an Imam Killed in Gun Battle with the FBI in Detroit is Arrested


Michigan Mosque leader killed during Islamic gun battle with fed

Hush Hush: Huge Fed/FBI Raid on Chicago Halal Goat Meat Slaughterhouse


Boston Muslim Terrorist Son of MAS (Muslim American Society) Leader


Another Conviction of Muslims Engaged in Plotting Islamic Attacks Against American Overseas

NY Imam Indicted in NYC Terror Attack Plot

Massive Muslim Attack Averted: "plot to kill two prominent US politicians and carry out a holy war by attacking shoppers in US malls and American troops in Iraq"

Obama First Female Veiled Islamist Appointee, Dalia Mogahed, Promotes Sharia, Says it's "Misunderstood

"New York Muslim indicted for plotting to kill U.S. troopswww.dallasnews.com/shared...ombarrest.1b177db8b.html" target="_blank">

www.dallasnews.com/shared...ombarrest.1b177db8b.html" target="_blank">FBI arrests Jordanian for downtown Dallas bomb plot...

NYC: Muslims Protest "RACIAL PROFILING" in wake of arrests in major jihad terror plot


www.reuters.com/article/m...ws/idUSN2447383520090924" target="_blank">Illinois man charged in plot to bomb federal offices...

www.reuters.com/article/d...ws/idUSTRE58N6YT20090924" target="_blank">Terror suspects accused of targeting Marine base in Quantico...

cbs3.com/local/SEPTA.Broad.Street.2.1206878.html" target="_blank">Men vanish after taking photos of Philly subway system...

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#39. To: Tater (#37)

Nice try, Tots, but THIS was your original claim:

"The Bible for One Thousand: Can you find at least 10 verses from the bible that pertain to killing non believers, even killing your own family member if they don’t believe in Jesus Christ.

Tick...tick...tick...

Liberator  posted on  2009-12-12   14:36:58 ET  (1 image) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#40. To: Liberator (#33)

Any cursory perusal of this thread is evidence of your disingenuous and intellectual dishonesty.

Your dismissal of common sense is also duly noted.

And after I studied your comments history before engaging in a discussion with you, It was easily evident for me to observe that you have problems with your overt bias - continually posting a bunch of tripe, on which I have called you out.

OriginalGatlin  posted on  2009-12-12   14:39:24 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#41. To: Liberator (#39)

The Bible for One Thousand: Can you find at least 10 verses from the bible that pertain to killing non believers, even killing your own family member if they don’t believe in Jesus Christ.

These loons still trying to push this same nutty BS.Dont you know the "Insane Murder Cult" known as Islam is just misunderstood and misrepresented.

Gater  posted on  2009-12-12   14:42:30 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#42. To: Liberator, Mel (#30)

Mel framed a well constructed debate, and you bashed her.

You started by calling her an Airhead, a Muslim Apologist and then continued with other name calling.

You bash liberals for going nuts when they rant, sure, but then when a conservative writes a well thought out post - all you can say or do is to counter her posts with name calling.

Nobody is ever going to accept what you have to say if you're constantly disrespecting people.

OriginalGatlin  posted on  2009-12-12   14:50:24 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#43. To: Liberator, Mel (#42)

If you stop and think about it, labeling someone: Airhead, Teach, Muslim Apologist, Professor - isn't a good substitute for thinking critically about it issue by issue.

If I stop and think about it - I guess in your case it is, Liberator.

OriginalGatlin  posted on  2009-12-12   15:02:43 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#44. To: Gater (#41)

These loons still trying to push this same nutty BS.Dont you know the "Insane Murder Cult" known as Islam is just misunderstood and misrepresented.

Of course...

NO difference in any religions because they ALL engage in terrorism...

And let's especially NOT forget that "Islam is a Religion of Peace."

Liberator  posted on  2009-12-12   15:03:26 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#45. To: Liberator (#44)

Faith in God gives life meaning and direction for millions of people. But some people often express their desires and goals - and also their anger in religious terms. It is most unfortunate that religion, like patriotism can also be misused for political purposes. Recognizing this, it is therefore important to see politics and religion as distinct and separate dimensions of our lives.

Extremists seeking to find arguments for persecution or a holy war can misuse religions. This has been shown again and again throughout history. We have seen it in Christianity in the form of the Medieval Crusades and through the persecution of non-Christian right up to our own times.

Religion is often used as a unifying force against occupation and social injustice. And in these cases, the enemy is often portrayed as an “unbeliever”. But I believe that these instances of misuse are more a question of local culture and political environment than of religion.

You approach appears one which is always coming to condemn. Instead of always coming to condemn, perhaps if you try to understand the causes, then you will not come to accuse a culture or another, but you will come to change the very roots of violence in history.

After all, is it not better to change the roots of violence than it is to just condemn it?

OriginalGatlin  posted on  2009-12-12   15:05:48 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#46. To: Tater (#42)

Mel framed a well constructed debate, and you bashed her.

You started by calling her an Airhead, a Muslim Apologist and then continued with other name calling.

"Well framed"? LOL - yeah, like a rickety tent pitched at the edge of a cliff.

Can you refute any of my observations?

Or is the truth verboten by you and your fellow history revisionists, Leftists, and Muslim apologists?

Liberator  posted on  2009-12-12   15:06:38 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#47. To: Tater (#45)

Is it not better to change the roots of violence than it is to just condemn it?

Great idea.

How do we change the evil "roots" of Islam?

Liberator  posted on  2009-12-12   15:08:06 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#48. To: Liberator (#36)

Have you forgotten that I gave a margin of .03-1% of terrorists that might NOT be Muslim?

And whom would you include in that .03-1%?

Hmm ...

Who created Osama bin Laden?

Was it America in order to fight the Soviet invasion of Afghanistan?

Hmm ...

Sure uh huh ok

OriginalGatlin  posted on  2009-12-12   15:11:58 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#49. To: Tater (#42)

Nobody is ever going to accept what you have to say if you're constantly disrespecting people.

I disrespect ALL who apologize for Islam and its Cult of Death.

I suspect you respect ALL "religions" and "cultures" and refuse to discriminate or differentiate between good and evil. Why do I know that? Because you are an moral relativist and consider yourself a "global citizen".

Liberator  posted on  2009-12-12   15:14:15 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#50. To: Liberator (#47)

Great idea.

How do we change the evil "roots" of Islam?

Grasshopper ...

Would it not be better to change the evil "roots" of terrorism?

This would be a difficult task for you since you are obviously so attached to your particular point of view that you leave no alternative and cut yourself off from the opportunity of experiencing a different viewpoint that can possibly be more empowering to you?

OriginalGatlin  posted on  2009-12-12   15:15:59 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#51. To: Liberator (#49)

I suspect you respect ALL "religions" and "cultures" and refuse to discriminate or differentiate between good and evil. Why do I know that? Because you are an moral relativist and consider yourself a "global citizen".

You don’t know me and you have no basis for this assertion – all you want to do is argue for the sake of arguing.

Heated arguments are purely ego driven and one does not need to argue if one does not want to.

While there will always be some disagreements, there is no need for heated ego-driven arguments and one does not have to let them happen.

When one simply lets go of that need, then one saves so much stress and anger thereby allowing that energy to be used in much more productive ways.

OriginalGatlin  posted on  2009-12-12   15:20:37 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#52. To: Tater (#50)

Grasshopper ...

Would it not be better to change the evil "roots" of terrorism?

I agree...

But who's going to volunteer to "change" the words of the Koran?

Liberator  posted on  2009-12-12   15:21:09 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#53. To: Liberator (#46)

Can you refute any of my observations?

Explaining a point of view can be done in many ways.

One way is simply to give a written opinion wherein the words should be chosen carefully in a tone that should be one of gentleness.

I am making every attempt to do just that - What are you doing?

OriginalGatlin  posted on  2009-12-12   15:23:54 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#54. To: Liberator (#52)

But who's going to volunteer to "change" the words of the Koran?

You will be quite surprised at how a shift in your perspective reduces your overall anxiety and enables you to achieve more ... and achieve it happily.

OriginalGatlin  posted on  2009-12-12   15:26:47 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#55. To: Tater (#51)

You don’t know me and you have no basis for this assertion...

Sure I do. Connecting a few dots isn't difficult at all.

While there will always be some disagreements, there is no need for heated ego-driven arguments and one does not have to let them happen. When one simply lets go of that need, then one saves so much stress and anger thereby allowing that energy to be used in much more productive ways.

If one allows lies and propaganda to go on without refutation or disinfection, it's stench of intellectual rot may permeate some of blogosphere. Is that fair to the pods or easily-swayed space cadets?

It must be nice to escape into an alternative reality. Seriously - I admire that about you.

Liberator  posted on  2009-12-12   15:28:50 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#56. To: Liberator (#55)

Reaction creates the notion of “dislike,” or hate, which blocks our eyes, mind and heart from focusing on anything but the negative.

OriginalGatlin  posted on  2009-12-12   15:31:28 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#57. To: Tater (#53)

Explaining a point of view can be done in many ways.

One way is simply to give a written opinion wherein the words should be chosen carefully in a tone that should be one of gentleness.

Gee, I'd love to treat disingenuous airheads, Muslim apologists, and propaganda tools with kid-gloves, but sometimes it's just not possible.

Unfortunately, war is never a "gentle" process.

Liberator  posted on  2009-12-12   15:32:47 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#58. To: Tater (#56)

Reaction creates the notion of “dislike,” or hate, which blocks our eyes, mind and heart from focusing on anything but the negative.

What's "positive" then about Islam?

Liberator  posted on  2009-12-12   15:33:37 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#59. To: Tater (#24)

terrorism is not singularily a product of religious fanaticism.

Then maybe Islam shouldn't be seen as a legitimate religion. The terrorism generated by it is worldwide, not localized or regionalized.

What's the difference between Racism_Boot's mouth and anal pore? There isn't any, they both spew gas and feces.

Ibluafartsky  posted on  2009-12-12   15:35:39 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#60. To: Liberator (#57)

Gee, I'd love to treat disingenuous airheads, Muslim apologists, and propaganda tools with kid-gloves, but sometimes it's just not possible.

Grasshopper - While there is nothing wrong with disliking something or someone, when that dislike affects your ability to interact courteously with others, it becomes a problem.

OriginalGatlin  posted on  2009-12-12   15:44:54 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#61. To: Tater (#60)

While there is nothing wrong with disliking something or someone, when that dislike affects your ability to interact courteously with others, it becomes a problem.

Perhaps you had better step forward and inform the victims of Islam that the reason they are beheaded or blown up is because they have been "discourteous" to Muslim sensitivities.

You do that and I'll put in a good word for you with the Nobel Committee.

Liberator  posted on  2009-12-12   15:49:54 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#62. To: Ibluafartsky (#59)

Then maybe Islam shouldn't be seen as a legitimate religion.

ANY "ism" or belief is now considered a "religion" (almost.)

Secular Humanist and Socialist beliefs and ethics have been taught from K-12 and then at the University level by North American school systems and the Academe for decades, yet for some odd reason NOT declared "religions." THEY ARE.

Gee, I wonder why?

Liberator  posted on  2009-12-12   15:54:30 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#63. To: Liberator (#61)

Emotions are by definition irrational, visceral responses no more a part of your character than a muscle spasm.

You can, however, assume responsibility for your actions by figuring out how to treat the person fairly in spite of your dislike.

OriginalGatlin  posted on  2009-12-12   15:56:31 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#64. To: Liberator (#55)

Seriously - I admire that about you.

My perseverance and discipline opens the key to many things and places for me.

One thing it does not open for me is a need or way to escape into an alternative reality.

I have no need to go there - I'm doing just fine where I am, thank you.

OriginalGatlin  posted on  2009-12-12   16:00:09 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#65. To: Tater (#63)

Emotions are by definition irrational, visceral responses no more a part of your character than a muscle spasm.

LOL - you're a trip. WHAT are you smokin'?

Btw - Gimme ANY "positives" about Islam.

Liberator  posted on  2009-12-12   16:02:37 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#66. To: Joe Snuffy (#0)

Obama stating that Islam is militant in nature.

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Toss: ADL,CAIR and the Vatican into the pit they belong in.

WhiteSands  posted on  2009-12-12   16:10:51 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#67. To: Liberator (#65)

Gimme ANY "positives" about Islam.

Why should I – I am not a Muslim, nor do I ever intend to become one.

If you are so interested in learning some positives about Islam, then you will need to do your own research (pretty easy after you get the hang of it).

Since you want to learn about Islam, are you leaning toward converting? I hope not.

I only entered into discussion on this thread to make one point. I have stated my point, albeit it obvious that I never made the point to you.

In case you forgot, as I am sure you have – if you ever read it, I will repeat the salient point I wished to make:

Terrorism is rooted in political discontent - and that can also be termed as political rage when it reaches the level of terrorism. And how does the discontent or rage occur? Obviously from injustice – real, perceived, believed – but injustice. No cause can justify terrorism. That is not in question. The question is: can the phenomenon of terrorism be ignored? It cannot - It has to be dealt with. You deal with the symptoms, or the roots.

Only after the root cause of the problem is addressed can there be a diminishing to the receptiveness and supportiveness in Muslim societies for extreme violence, unfortunately. It is only this step that can start the process of defusing the confrontation and hostility, which has now arisen.

Before you go to “sleepy-poo” tonight, make sure you check under your bed to see if anyone is hiding there and – leave the lights on.

You have a fine afternoon, Lib, it has been a "hoot" - One I would not have missed.

I leave you with this thought:

Because everyone has their own point of view, each person is entitled to her/his opinion too. Therefore one should courteously pay attention to their point of view - as one would expect them to also listen with that same attention ~ Tater

OriginalGatlin  posted on  2009-12-12   16:34:30 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#68. To: Tater (#67)

ME: " Gimme ANY 'positives' about Islam. "

Why should I – I am not a Muslim, nor do I ever intend to become one.

My bad - I thought you might be capable of providing JUST one positive of Islam; Not that your status as a Muslim or apologist for Islam is relevant to the question. So be it.

Since you want to learn about Islam...

Chyeah. As has been said many times, I learned all I need to know about Islam on 9/11. And on CNN. OR at Ft. Hood.

Terrorism is rooted in political discontent...

No Tots - it's rooted in the disease of the soul and desire to enslave other. For 1300 years Islam has proven it is entirely incapable of elevating elevating the human spirit or condition. You might do well to re-examine your regard for a Cult which would not only censor you, but murder you for your "enlightenment." Thank God (or Gaia or Buddha in your case) you were blessed to have lived under a Judeo-Christian inspired governance.

You have a fine afternoon, Lib, it has been a "hoot" - One I would not have missed.

Thank you for the chuckles and polite discourse as well.

Liberator  posted on  2009-12-12   17:46:23 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#69. To: Tater, Liberator (#43)

No worries, Tator. I already know Lib would like to wipe all Mulims off the face of the planet - all in the name of Christianity of course.

OK Lib - put it to the test. You think you know so much, help me out with the assignment I'm working on right now. Be sure to use only factual information with unbiased links.

The assignment is to compare and contrast the lives of Jesus and Muhammad. Here are a few specifics for you to address:

· Trace the lives of Jesus and Mohammed historically.
· Compare what impact the death of each person had on his respective religion.
· Describe the ways each individual was/is worshipped.
· Explain how their messages are being carried out in the world today.

Good luck.

Happy Birthday Jesus! Merry Christmas everyone!

mel  posted on  2009-12-12   19:50:47 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#70. To: mel (#69)

I already know Lib would like to wipe all Mulims off the face of the planet - all in the name of Christianity of course.

Nonsense.

I would be satisfied merely having the Muslim Cultists isolated behind mile-high walls withing their OWN borders and out of MY country.

Q: Would you mind sharing your own community with 50% Muslims?

Help me out with the assignment I'm working on right now....The assignment is to compare and contrast the lives of Jesus and Muhammad.

Let me make this simple for you:

Compare and contrast Good and Evil. Life and Death. Joy and Sorrow. Truth and Lies. Freedom and Bondage. Found and Lost. Love and Hate.

Run with it.

Liberator  posted on  2009-12-12   21:20:35 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#71. To: mel (#69) (Edited)

Here's the test.

If you are opposed to land being taken by force sign over your property to the local Native American tribes.

IF your not in the US Tell me which nation you are in and I can tell from which peoples your land was forcibly taken from.

180 years after we give North America back to the native Americans, Israel must do the same.

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Toss: ADL,CAIR and the Vatican into the pit they belong in.

WhiteSands  posted on  2009-12-12   21:24:22 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#72. To: Liberator (#70)

You get an F.

Happy Birthday Jesus! Merry Christmas everyone!

mel  posted on  2009-12-12   22:35:44 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#73. To: WhiteSands (#71)

I'm in Arizona and have a tinge of Native American blood running through my veins.

Happy Birthday Jesus! Merry Christmas everyone!

mel  posted on  2009-12-12   22:37:17 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#74. To: mel (#72)

You get an F.

Yeah. For "Freakin" Right-On!

Liberator  posted on  2009-12-12   22:46:50 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#75. To: Mel (#70)

Yoo-hoo....

Q: Would you mind sharing your own community with 50% Muslims?

a) Yes

b) No

c) Only if I live in the 'Green Zone' in Baghdad

Liberator  posted on  2009-12-12   22:49:19 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#76. To: Liberator (#75)

Not at all....as long as they are well-educated in their religion, unlike those terrorists who call themselves Muslims.

I know people that moved from their neighborhoods once they became predominatly black.

I moved from my last neighborhood because the drug addicts started moving in.

You're prejudiced against Muslims as others are prejudiced against blacks and I am prejudiced against drug addicts.

Happy Birthday Jesus! Merry Christmas everyone!

mel  posted on  2009-12-12   23:08:48 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#77. To: mel (#1)

Jihad describes the ethics and morals of the Muslims. Jihad is the internal fight between right and wrong, moral and immoral, selfishness and selflessness, etc. The inner peach and equilibrium is then reflected outward in an attempt to create peace and harmony in society. Jihad is not about waging wars on others. Jihad does promote self-defense.

Bogus!

Holy Wars. Muhammad believed in holy war (the Jihad). By divine revelation he commanded his followers: “fight in the cause Of God” (sura 2:244). He added, “fight and slay The Pagans wherever ye find them” (sura 9:5). And, “when ye meet The Unbelievers (in fight) Smite at their necks” (sura 47:4). In general, Muslims were to “fight those who believe not In God nor the Last Day” (sura 9:29). Indeed, Paradise is promised for those who fight for God. Sura 3:195 declares: “Those who have left their homes . . . Or fought or been slain,— Verily, I will blot out From them their iniquities, And admit them into Gardens With rivers flowing beneath;—A reward from the Presence Of God, and from His Presence Is the best of rewards” (cf. sura 2:244; 4:95). These “holy wars” were carried out “in the cause Of God” (cf. sura 2:244) against “unbelievers.”

Sura 5:36 declares that “The punishment of those Who wage war against God [i.e., unbelievers] And His Apostle, and strive With might and main For mischief through the land Is: execution, or crucifixion, Or the cutting off of hands And feet from opposite sides, Or exile from the land.” Acknowledging that these are appropriate punishments, depending on “the circumstances,” Ali offers little consolation when he notes that the more cruel forms of Arabian treatment of enemies, such as, “piercing of eyes and leaving the unfortunate victim exposed to a tropical sun,” were abolished! (Ali, 252, 738). Such war on, and persecution of, enemies on religious grounds—by whatever means—is seen by most critics as religious intolerance. In view of these clear commands to use the sword aggressively to spread Islam and Muslim practice down through the centuries, Muslim claims that “this fight is waged solely for the freedom to call men unto God and unto His religion” have a hollow ring (cf. Haykal, 212). Geisler, N. L. (1999). Baker encyclopedia of Christian apologetics. Baker reference library (508). Grand Rapids, Mich.: Baker Books.

GarySpFC  posted on  2009-12-12   23:54:22 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#78. To: Tater (#12)

I think she was talking about there being extremist in all religions. If we stop and think about it, I am sure we can find some, maybe many, examples.

That is a half truth. Yes, we can find extremists in all religions. That said, the foundation for Islam is warfare, and with Christianity it is love for God and one's neighbor.

GarySpFC  posted on  2009-12-13   0:01:22 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#79. To: Tater (#48)

Who created Osama bin Laden?

Was it America in order to fight the Soviet invasion of Afghanistan?

Emphaticaly no! UBL's hatred for Western values predated America's role against the Soviet invasion of Afghanistan. He would not even meet with Americans during that time, and they were warned he would likely kill them when and if he ever encountered them.

GarySpFC  posted on  2009-12-13   0:18:47 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  



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