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Title: Obama on DC Jihadis: "Fiercely loyal Muslims"
Source: Atlas Shrugs
URL Source: http://atlasshrugs2000.typepad.com/ ... is-fiercely-loyal-muslims.html
Published: Dec 11, 2009
Author: staff
Post Date: 2009-12-11 09:48:16 by Joe Snuffy
Keywords: War on Terror, Obama, US Muslim terrorists
Views: 36143
Comments: 91

Obama on DC Jihadis: "Fiercely loyal Muslims"

Crazy, man.

Check out the TOTUS's response today to the devastating news of five DC Muslim students tracked down and arrested in Pakistan. They were plotting jihad. What did Pres Moe say? He speaks about fiercely loyal Muslims ....loyal to whom exactly?

(vid hat tip KGS)

Obama spent a month in Pakistan during his college years ....perhaps he is, uh, sympathetic.

Here is a sampling of different posts in the past three months of fiercely loyal Muslim activity here in the good old USA:

Chicago Muslim Charged In Mumbai Islamic Massacre Planned More Terror Attacks in India

AMERICAN JIHAD: FBI INVESTIGATING 5 MISSING MUSLIM STUDENTS IN DC, POSSIBLE ARREST IN PAKISTAN

“I said he was acting...like a terrorist,” roommate of Jihadi who Murdered Binghamton Professor

Muslims of America Domestic Terror Jihad training camp videos to be released

Chicago Jihadis who Plotted to bomb Danish Cartoon Publisher at Halal Slaughterhouse Tied to Mumbai

Muslim Sentenced to Six-year jail term in Plot to Blow up Sears Tower: "Islamic terrorism is one of the most tremendous problem that this country now confronts ... this defendant took an oath to Al-Qaeda"

Beltway Jihadi Sniper John Muhammad: Death to the Jihadi Tonight

Fort Hood Jihad

Going Muslim on a Photographer outside Michigan Mosque

Son of an Imam Killed in Gun Battle with the FBI in Detroit is Arrested


Michigan Mosque leader killed during Islamic gun battle with fed

Hush Hush: Huge Fed/FBI Raid on Chicago Halal Goat Meat Slaughterhouse


Boston Muslim Terrorist Son of MAS (Muslim American Society) Leader


Another Conviction of Muslims Engaged in Plotting Islamic Attacks Against American Overseas

NY Imam Indicted in NYC Terror Attack Plot

Massive Muslim Attack Averted: "plot to kill two prominent US politicians and carry out a holy war by attacking shoppers in US malls and American troops in Iraq"

Obama First Female Veiled Islamist Appointee, Dalia Mogahed, Promotes Sharia, Says it's "Misunderstood

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#1. To: Joe Snuffy (#0)

They were plotting jihad.

It's amazing that most Americans do NOT know what the term Jihad means. If they did, they would stop using it as a terrorist act.

Jihad describes the ethics and morals of the Muslims. Jihad is the internal fight between right and wrong, moral and immoral, selfishness and selflessness, etc. The inner peach and equilibrium is then reflected outward in an attempt to create peace and harmony in society. Jihad is not about waging wars on others. Jihad does promote self-defense.

For all the sick twisted freaks committing acts of violence in the name of Islam, the true Muslims know Allah will send them to hell as they are in direct violation of Allah's commandments given to the people through the prophet Mohammad, recorded in the Qur'an.

Every group of people has extremists that carry out atrocities against other people or even their own people. Some do it in the name of one religion or another and some do it in the name of a race or a country. Some are simply psycho freaks.

mel  posted on  2009-12-11   11:40:51 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#9. To: mel (#1)

Every group of people has extremists that carry out atrocities against other people or even their own people. Some do it in the name of one religion or another and some do it in the name of a race or a country. Some are simply psycho freaks.

Reeeeallly, Teach? You mean Muslims and Christians are the same after all?

Wow, you ARE an Airhead.

Liberator  posted on  2009-12-11   21:10:31 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#12. To: Liberator, Mel (#9) (Edited)

You mean Muslims and Christians are the same after all?

Is that what she meant?

Hmm ... Let me go back and read it again.

Okay, I did.

I don’t see where she meant to say that Islamic Allah and Christian God are the same. We all should know that they in fact are not. They are even extremely difficult to compare.

As it is also even very difficult to compare Christianity within Christian religion, because there is such a wide range of beliefs and practices among various wings of Christianity: Roman Catholicism, Eastern Orthodox churches,

I think she was talking about there being extremist in all religions. If we stop and think about it, I am sure we can find some, maybe many, examples.

Let’s see, I am thinking for instance of the so-called “Army of God” in the U.S. which condones the killing of medical personnel who are involved in abortions.

Yes, It is unfortunate, but there are extremists in every group.

OriginalGatlin  posted on  2009-12-11   21:40:19 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#14. To: Tater (#12)

Let’s see, I am thinking for instance of the so-called “Army of God” in the U.S. which condones the killing of medical personnel who are involved in abortions.

Bullshit.........And just how many Medical professionals have been murdered in the name of stopping abortions. Your logic only works if they were murdering people not even connected to the abortion industry in the name of converting everyone to their beliefs and besides that many non religious types believe that killing the unborn is the murder of a human being and should stopped.

Gater  posted on  2009-12-11   22:00:41 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#18. To: Gater (#14)

Your logic only works if they were murdering people not even connected to the abortion industry in the name of converting everyone to their beliefs

Have you ever heard of the Holy Wars?

There are many accounts of such things happening in World history that didn't include Muslims.

Atrocities occur all the time but no one pays attention to them unless the perpetrator claims to be Muslim these days.

Just as not all Catholic Priests are pedophiles and not all Mormen men are polygamists, not all Muslims are radical killers. Not all early Americans were slave holders. Not all white people supported the oppression of black people. Not all Hispanics are illegal and not all illegals are from Mexico. Not everyone with a Hispanic last name is Hispanic, nor do all of them speak Spanish. Not all Asians are smart either.

mel  posted on  2009-12-11   23:45:29 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#19. To: All (#18)

"Those who believe (in the Quran), and those who follow the Jewish (scriptures), and the Christians...and (all) who believe in God and the last day and work righteousness, shall have their reward with their Lord; on them shall be no fear, nor shall they grieve." The Qur'an, 2:62

According to the Qur'an, Muslims are to accept other religions and live in peace among them. Just as there are those who call themselves Christians who do not follow God's commands, there are those who call themselves Muslims who do not follow Allah's commands.

Since somebody felt like bringing up Christians....

Listed are only events that solely occurred on command or participation of church authorities or were committed in the name of Christianity. (List incomplete)

Ancient Pagans

•As soon as Christianity became legal in the Roman Empire by imperial edict (315), more and more pagan temples were destroyed by Christian mob. Pagan priests were killed.

•Between 315 and 6th century thousands of pagan believers were slain.

•Examples of destroyed Temples: the Sanctuary of Aesculap in Aegaea, the Temple of Aphrodite in Golgatha, Aphaka in Lebanon, the Heliopolis.

•Christian priests such as Mark of Arethusa or Cyrill of Heliopolis were famous as "temple destroyer." [DA468]

•Pagan services became punishable by death in 356. [DA468]

•Christian Emperor Theodosius (408-450) even had children executed, because they had been playing with remains of pagan statues. [DA469] According to Christian chroniclers he "followed meticulously all Christian teachings..."

•In 6th century pagans were declared void of all rights.

•In the early fourth century the philosopher Sopatros was executed on demand of Christian authorities. [DA466]

•The world famous female philosopher Hypatia of Alexandria was torn to pieces with glass fragments by a hysterical Christian mob led by a Christian minister named Peter, in a church, in 415. [DO19-25]

Mission

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•Emperor Karl (Charlemagne) in 782 had 4500 Saxons, unwilling to convert to Christianity, beheaded. [DO30]

•Peasants of Steding (Germany) unwilling to pay suffocating church taxes: between 5,000 and 11,000 men, women and children slain 5/27/1234 near Altenesch/Germany. [WW223]

•15th century Poland: 1019 churches and 17987 villages plundered by Knights of the Order. Number of victims unknown. [DO30]

•16th and 17th century Ireland. English troops "pacified and civilized" Ireland, where only Gaelic "wild Irish", "unreasonable beasts lived without any knowledge of God or good manners, in common of their goods, cattle, women, children and every other thing." One of the more successful soldiers, a certain Humphrey Gilbert, half-brother of Sir Walter Raleigh, ordered that "the heddes of all those (of what sort soever thei were) which were killed in the daie, should be cutte off from their bodies... and should bee laied on the ground by eche side of the waie", which effort to civilize the Irish indeed caused "greate terrour to the people when thei sawe the heddes of their dedde fathers, brothers, children, kinsfolke, and freinds on the grounde". Tens of thousands of Gaelic Irish fell victim to the carnage. [SH99, 225]

Crusades (1095-1291)

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•First Crusade: 1095 on command of pope Urban II. [WW11-41]

•Semlin/Hungary 6/24/96 thousands slain. Wieselburg/Hungary 6/12/96 thousands. [WW23]

•9/9/96-9/26/96 Nikaia, Xerigordon (then Turkish), thousands respectively. [WW25-27]

•Until January 1098 a total of 40 capital cities and 200 castles conquered (number of slain unknown) [WW30]

•After 6/3/98 Antiochia (then Turkish) conquered, between 10,000 and 60,000 slain. 6/28/98 100,000 Turks (incl. women and children) killed. [WW32-35] Here the Christians "did no other harm to the women found in [the enemy's] tents - save that they ran their lances through their bellies," according to Christian chronicler Fulcher of Chartres. [EC60]

•Marra (Maraat an-numan) 12/11/98 thousands killed. Because of the subsequent famine "the already stinking corpses of the enemies were eaten by the Christians" said chronicler Albert Aquensis. [WW36]

Jerusalem conquered 7/15/1099 more than 60,000 victims (Jewish, Muslim, men, women, children). [WW37-40] In the words of one witness: "there [in front of Solomon's temple] was such a carnage that our people were wading ankle-deep in the blood of our foes", and after that "happily and crying for joy our people marched to our Saviour's tomb, to honour it and to pay off our debt of gratitude."

•The Archbishop of Tyre, eye-witness, wrote: "It was impossible to look upon the vast numbers of the slain without horror; everywhere lay fragments of human bodies, and the very ground was covered with the blood of the slain. It was not alone the spectacle of headless bodies and mutilated limbs strewn in all directions that roused the horror of all who looked upon them. Still more dreadful was it to gaze upon the victors themselves, dripping with blood from head to foot, an ominous sight which brought terror to all who met them. It is reported that within the Temple enclosure alone about ten thousand infidels perished." [TG79]

•Christian chronicler Eckehard of Aura noted that "even the following summer in all of Palestine the air was polluted by the stench of decomposition". [WW41]

•Battle of Askalon, 8/12/1099. Thousands of heathens slaughtered "in the name of Our Lord Jesus Christ". [WW45]

•Fourth crusade: 4/12/1204 Constantinople sacked, number of victims unknown, numerous thousands, many of them Christian. [WW141-148]

•Crusades (1095-1291)

Ê2;Estimated totals:

Ã2;Wertham: 1,000,000

Ã2;Charles Mackay, Memoirs of Extraordinary Popular Delusions and the Madness of Crowds (1841): 2,000,000 Europeans killed. [http://www.bootlegbooks.com/NonFiction/Mackay/PopDelusions/chap09.html]

Ã2;Aletheia, The Rationalist's Manual: 5,000,000

Ê2;Individual Events:

Ã2;Davies: Crusaders killed up to 8,000 Jews in Rhineland

Ã2;Paul Johnson A History of the Jews (1987): 1,000 Jewish women in Rhineland comm. suicide to avoid the mob, 1096.

Ã2;Gibbon, Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire, v.5, 6

Ã2;1st Crusade: 300,000 Eur. k at Battle of Nice [Nicea].

Ã2;Crusaders vs. Solimon of Roum: 4,000 Christians, 3,000 Moslems

Ã2;1098, Fall of Antioch: 100,000 Moslems massacred.

Ã2;50,000 Pilgrims died of disease.

Ã2;1099, Fall of Jerusalem: 70,000 Moslems massacred.

Ã2;Siege of Tiberias: 30,000 Christians k.

Ã2;Siege of Tyre: 1,000 Turks

Ã2;Richard the Lionhearted executes 3,000 Moslem POWs.

Ã2;1291: 100,000 Christians k after fall of Acre.

Ã2;Fall of Christian Antioch: 17,000 massacred.

Ã2;[TOTAL: 677,000 listed in these episodes here.]

Ã2;Catholic Encyclopedia (1910) [http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/]

Ã2;Jaffa: 20,000 Christians massacred, 1197

Ã2;Sorokin estimates that French, English & Imperial German Crusaders lost a total of 3,600 in battle.

Ã2;1st C (1096-99): 400

Ã2;2nd C (1147-49): 750

Ã2;3rd C (1189-91): 930

Ã2;4th C (1202-04): 120

Ã2;5th C (1228-29): 600

Ã2;7th C (1248-54): 700

Ã2;James Trager, The People's Chronology (1992)

Ã2;1099: Crusaders slaughter 40,000 inhabs of Jerusalem. Dis/starv reduced Crusaders from 300,000 to 60,000.

Ã2;1147: 2nd Crusades begins with 500,000. "Most" lost to starv./disease/battle.

Ã2;1190: 500 Jews massacred in York.

Ã2;1192: 3rd Crusade reduced from 100,000 to 5,000 through famine, plagues and desertions in campaign vs Antioch.

Ã2;1212: Children's Crusade loses some 50,000.

Ã2;[TOTAL: Just in these incidents, it appears the Europeans lost around 650,000.]

Ê2;TOTAL: When I take all the individual death tolls listed here, weed out the duplicates, fill in the blanks, apply Occam ("Pluralitas non est ponenda sine necessitate"), etc. I get a very rough total of 1½ M deaths in the Crusades.

Jerusalem conquered 7/15/1099 more than 60,000 victims (Jewish, Muslim, men, women, children). [WW37-40] In the words of one witness: "there [in front of Solomon's temple] was such a carnage that our people were wading ankle-deep in the blood of our foes", and after that "happily and crying for joy our people marched to our Saviour's tomb, to honour it and to pay off our debt of gratitude."

•The Archbishop of Tyre, eye-witness, wrote: "It was impossible to look upon the vast numbers of the slain without horror; everywhere lay fragments of human bodies, and the very ground was covered with the blood of the slain. It was not alone the spectacle of headless bodies and mutilated limbs strewn in all directions that roused the horror of all who looked upon them. Still more dreadful was it to gaze upon the victors themselves, dripping with blood from head to foot, an ominous sight which brought terror to all who met them. It is reported that within the Temple enclosure alone about ten thousand infidels perished." [TG79]

•Christian chronicler Eckehard of Aura noted that "even the following summer in all of Palestine the air was polluted by the stench of decomposition". [WW41]

•Battle of Askalon, 8/12/1099. Thousands of heathens slaughtered "in the name of Our Lord Jesus Christ". [WW45]

•Fourth crusade: 4/12/1204 Constantinople sacked, number of victims unknown, numerous thousands, many of them Christian. [WW141-148]

•Crusades (1095-1291)

Ê2;Estimated totals:

Ã2;Wertham: 1,000,000

Ã2;Charles Mackay, Memoirs of Extraordinary Popular Delusions and the Madness of Crowds (1841): 2,000,000 Europeans killed. [http://www.bootlegbooks.com/NonFiction/Mackay/PopDelusions/chap09.html]

Ã2;Aletheia, The Rationalist's Manual: 5,000,000

Ê2;Individual Events:

Ã2;Davies: Crusaders killed up to 8,000 Jews in Rhineland

Ã2;Paul Johnson A History of the Jews (1987): 1,000 Jewish women in Rhineland comm. suicide to avoid the mob, 1096.

Ã2;Gibbon, Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire, v.5, 6

Ã2;1st Crusade: 300,000 Eur. k at Battle of Nice [Nicea].

Ã2;Crusaders vs. Solimon of Roum: 4,000 Christians, 3,000 Moslems

Ã2;1098, Fall of Antioch: 100,000 Moslems massacred.

Ã2;50,000 Pilgrims died of disease.

Ã2;1099, Fall of Jerusalem: 70,000 Moslems massacred.

Ã2;Siege of Tiberias: 30,000 Christians k.

Ã2;Siege of Tyre: 1,000 Turks

Ã2;Richard the Lionhearted executes 3,000 Moslem POWs.

Ã2;1291: 100,000 Christians k after fall of Acre.

Ã2;Fall of Christian Antioch: 17,000 massacred.

Ã2;[TOTAL: 677,000 listed in these episodes here.]

Ã2;Catholic Encyclopedia (1910) [http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/]

Ã2;Jaffa: 20,000 Christians massacred, 1197

Ã2;Sorokin estimates that French, English & Imperial German Crusaders lost a total of 3,600 in battle.

Ã2;1st C (1096-99): 400

Ã2;2nd C (1147-49): 750

Ã2;3rd C (1189-91): 930

Ã2;4th C (1202-04): 120

Ã2;5th C (1228-29): 600

Ã2;7th C (1248-54): 700

Ã2;James Trager, The People's Chronology (1992)

Ã2;1099: Crusaders slaughter 40,000 inhabs of Jerusalem. Dis/starv reduced Crusaders from 300,000 to 60,000.

Ã2;1147: 2nd Crusades begins with 500,000. "Most" lost to starv./disease/battle.

Ã2;1190: 500 Jews massacred in York.

Ã2;1192: 3rd Crusade reduced from 100,000 to 5,000 through famine, plagues and desertions in campaign vs Antioch.

Ã2;1212: Children's Crusade loses some 50,000.

Ã2;[TOTAL: Just in these incidents, it appears the Europeans lost around 650,000.]

Ê2;TOTAL: When I take all the individual death tolls listed here, weed out the duplicates, fill in the blanks, apply Occam ("Pluralitas non est ponenda sine necessitate"), etc. I get a very rough total of 1½ M deaths in the Crusades.

Religious Wars

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•15th century: Crusades against Hussites, thousands slain. [DO30]

•1538 pope Paul III declared Crusade against apostate England and all English as slaves of Church (fortunately had not power to go into action). [DO31]

•1568 Spanish Inquisition Tribunal ordered extermination of 3 million rebels in (then Spanish) Netherlands. [DO31] Between 5000 and 6000 Protestants were drowned by Spanish Catholic Troops, "a disaster the burghers of Emden first realized when several thousand broad- brimmed Dutch hats floated by." [SH216]

•1572 In France about 20,000 Huguenots were killed on command of pope Pius V. Until 17th century 200,000 flee. [DO31]

•17th century: Catholics slay Gaspard de Coligny, a Protestant leader. After murdering him, the Catholic mob mutilated his body, "cutting off his head, his hands, and his genitals... and then dumped him into the river [...but] then, deciding that it was not worthy of being food for the fish, they hauled it out again [... and] dragged what was left ... to the gallows of Montfaulcon, 'to be meat and carrion for maggots and crows'." [SH191]

•17th century: Catholics sack the city of Magdeburg/Germany: roughly 30,000 Protestants were slain. "In a single church fifty women were found beheaded," reported poet Friedrich Schiller, "and infants still sucking the breasts of their lifeless mothers." [SH191]

•17th century 30 years' war (Catholic vs. Protestant): at least 40% of population decimated, mostly in Germany. [DO31-32]

Jews

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•Already in the 4th and 5th centuries synagogues were burned by Christians.Number of Jews slain unknown.

•In the middle of the fourth century the first synagogue was destroyed on command of bishop Innocentius of Dertona in Northern Italy. The first synagogue known to have been burned down was near the river Euphrat, on command of the bishop of Kallinikon in the year 388. [DA450]

• 694 17. Council of Toledo: Jews were enslaved, their property confiscated, and their children forcibly baptized. [DA454]

•1010 The Bishop of Limoges (France) had the cities' Jews, who would not convert to Christianity, expelled or killed. [DA453]

•1096 First Crusade: Thousands of Jews slaughtered, maybe 12.000 total. Places: Worms 5/18/1096, Mainz 5/27/1096 (1100 persons), Cologne, Neuss, Altenahr, Wevelinghoven, Xanten, Moers, Dortmund, Kerpen, Trier, Metz, Regensburg, Prag and others (All locations Germany except Metz/France, Prag/Czech) [EJ]

•1147 Second Crusade: Several hundred Jews were slain in Ham, Sully, Carentan, and Rameru (all locations in France). [WW57]

•1189/90 Third Crusade: English Jewish communities sacked. [DO40]

•1235, Fulda/Germany: 34 Jewish men and women slain. [DO41]

•1257, 1267: Jewish communities of London, Canterbury, Northampton, Lincoln, Cambridge, and others exterminated. [DO41]

•1290 Bohemia (Poland) allegedly 10,000 Jews killed. [DO41]

•1337 Starting in Deggendorf/Germany a Jew-killing craze reaches 51 towns in Bavaria, Austria, Poland. [DO41]

•1348 All Jews of Basel/Switzerland and Strasbourg/France (two thousand) burned. [DO41]

•1349 In more than 350 towns in Germany all Jews murdered, mostly burned alive (in this one year more Jews were killed than Christians in 200 years of ancient Roman persecution of Christians). [DO42]

•1389 In Prag 3,000 Jews were slaughtered. [DO42]

•1391 Seville's Jews killed (Archbishop Martinez leading). 4,000 were slain, 25,000 sold as slaves. [DA454] Their identification was made easy by the brightly colored "badges of shame" that all Jews above the age of ten had been forced to wear.

•1492 In the year Columbus set sail to conquer a New World, more than 150,000 Jews were expelled from Spain, many died on their way: 6/30/1492. [MM470-476]

•1648 Chmielnitzki massacres: In Poland about 200,000 Jews were slain. [DO43]

And that's not even half of it. No - Christians are not bad. People are bad. I apologize for no evil person.

mel  posted on  2009-12-12   0:06:50 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#20. To: mel, liberator (#19) (Edited)

Mel: And that's not even half of it. No - Christians are not bad. People are bad. I apologize for no evil person.
Tater: Yes, It is unfortunate, but there are extremists in every group.
Liberator: Yes ... in 99% of the cases, the "extremists" wreaking havoc ... happen to be MUSLIM.

Terrorism can be defined as simply an extreme form of political expression. Given that terrorist attacks occur most often in countries which have despotic regimes, or in which no other form of political protest is available, these people use the only means they can of getting their point across. To some, terrorism is even an acceptable form of political expression when there is no other option available. There are many instances where people arbitrarily label those terrorists who support our value systems to be heroes, while those who oppose our value systems are just dogs murdering innocent people. The complete hypocrisy of this view means that there can be no choice of condemnation when we realize that terrorism is an expression of beliefs, whether we like it or not, and that numerous countries, considered "good" by our current value paradigm have been founded through terrorist actions.

A partial list of designated terrorist organizations is presented below – Point out one Muslim group among them:

Communist Party of India (Maoist); Communist Party of the Philippines/New People's Army; Continuity Irish Republican Army; Cumann na mBan; All Tripura Tiger Force; Babbar Khalsa; Babbar Khalsa International; Baluchistan Liberation Army; Communist Party of the Philippines/New People's Army; Continuity Irish Republican Army; Khmer Rouge/The Party of Democratic Kampuchea; Manuel Rodriguez Patriotic Front (FPMR); National Liberation Army (ELN)— Colombia; Zviadists; Revolutionary Nuclei (RN) a.k.a. Revolutionary Cells; Revolutionary Organization 17 November (17 November); Revolutionary People's Struggle (ELA); Morzanist Patriotic Front (FPM); Kach and Kahane Chai; Aum Supreme Truth (Aum) a.k.a. Aum Shinrikyo, Aleph; Chukaku-Ha (Nucleus or Middle Core Faction); Japanese Red Army (JRA) a.k.a. Anti-Imperialist International Brigade (AIIB); Continuity Irish Republican Army (CIRA) a.k.a. Continuity Army Council; h Republican Army (IRA) a.k.a. Provisional Irish Republican Army (PIRA), the Provos; Loyalist Volunteer Force (LVF); Real IRA (RIRA) a.k.a. True IRA; Red Hand Defenders (RHD); Sendero Luminoso (Shining Path); Tupac Amaru Revolutionary Movement (MRTA); Abu Sayyaf Group (ASG); Alex Boncayao Brigade (ABB); New People's Army (NPA); Army for the Liberation of Rwanda (ALIR), a.k.a. Interahamwe, Former Armed Forces (ex-FAR); Revolutionary United Front (RUF); Qibla and People Against Gangsterism and Drugs (PAGAD); Basque Fatherland and Liberty (ETA), a.k.a. Euzkadi Ta Askatasuna; First of October Antifascist Resistance Group (GRAPO), Grupo de Resistencia Anti-Fascista Premero de Octubre; Liberation Tigers of Tamil Eelam (LTTE) Other known front organizations: World Tamil Association (WTA), World Tamil Movement (WTM), the Federation of Associations of Canadian Tamils (FACT), the Ellalan Force, the Sangilian Force; Kurdistan Workers' Party (PKK); Revolutionary People's Liberation Party/Front (DHKP/C) a.k.a. Devrimci Sol (Revolutionary Left), Dev Sol ... the list goes on … on … and on ... AND ON …

OriginalGatlin  posted on  2009-12-12   5:24:01 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#21. To: Tater (#20)

Terrorism can be defined as simply an extreme form of political expression.

Weekly Jihad Report

Nov 28 - Dec 04 Jihad Attacks: 24

Dead Bodies: 144

Critically Injured: 295

Ibluafartsky  posted on  2009-12-12   5:33:21 ET  (1 image) Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


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#22. To: Ibluafartsky (#21) (Edited)

Terrorism can be defined as simply an extreme form of political expression.

Weekly Jihad Report

Nov 28 - Dec 04 Jihad Attacks: 24

Dead Bodies: 144

Critically Injured: 295

Terrorism is defined by political scientists as the use of politically- motivated violence against civilians.

Terrorism is not supposed to mean "violence against the state" and certainly not "violence against soldiers." It technically also doesn't mean violence directed against military targets where civilians are also hurt/killed.

Using "terrorism" as a specific term is becoming less and less meaningful - however, there doesn't seem to be a good replacement term.

OriginalGatlin  posted on  2009-12-12 06:01:23 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


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