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International News Title: After Getting Busted for Bombing Syria Based On a Lie, Trump Doubles Down … Threatens to Bomb Syria Even Harder Based On Same BS A report yesterday by the Pulitzer-prize winning reporter who broke some of the biggest stories of the Vietnam and Iraq wars showed that Trump bombed Syria on April 4th based upon false pretenses. Specifically, Trump said the Syrian government carried out a chemical weapons attack on civilians, but U.S. military and intelligence officials say that they told Trump there was no evidence for that claim … and they say that what really happened is that Syria bombed Islamic terrorists, and that accidentally released chemicals being stored by the terrorists. So how does Trump respond to the report? He doubles down on the bull … White House spokesman Sean Spicer said tonight:
After Spicer’s statement, Neocon warmonger – and U.S. representative to the U.N. – Nikki Haley tweeted:
Notice that Haley does not say:
Anything bad happens - whether it's carried out by Assad, or ISIS, or Al Qaeda, or outside forces trying to destabilize Syria - it will be blamed on Assad as a justification for a lot more bombing. Postscript: This little game has been going on for 68 years. Specifically, the U.S. government has been trying to replace the Syrian government with folks who will be subservient to America since 1949 … 3 years after Syria became an independent nation. The CIA succeeded in carrying out a coup in Syria 1949. In 1957, the American president and British prime minister agreed to launch regime change again in Syria using a false flag. (False flags are not only historically documented, but presidents, prime ministers, congressmen, generals, spooks, soldiers and police have ADMITTED to planning and carrying out false flag attacks). In 1983, 1986, 1991, 2001, 2009 and 2012, American officials again schemed about regime change in Syria. Post Comment Private Reply Ignore Thread Top • Page Up • Full Thread • Page Down • Bottom/Latest Begin Trace Mode for Comment # 5. Syria is a Russian ally, the place where the Russians base their fleet. Syria is also a bitter enemy of Israel, refusing to formally make peace. Syria is a supporter of terrorists who attack Syria and elsewhere. Syria is a dictatorship whose government slaughters its people. So, given all of those things, we have ample reason to destroy the Syrian regime. For us NOT to do so requires a series of moves by the Russians and the Syrians. We will let the Russians keep their base there intact, if they police the Syrian government so that it will do the following: (1) Formally make peace with and recognize Israel, including accepting long- term Israeli policing of the Golan Heights. Syria attacked Israel from the Golan Heights multiple times. They cannot be permitted to simply reassume possession without an Israeli presence. So, governorship can pass, but the Israelis must be permitted to stay, unmolested, as long as it takes to build trust. (2) Expel the terrorists, stop supporting them, kill them. (3) Stop slaughtering their own people, and get rid of all chemical or biological weapons. Do that, and the Syrian regime can be permitted to live, and the Russians have peaceful and unmolested use of their naval base. Everybody is happy and we go home. Anything less, and it looks as though Syrian regime supporters are just going to have to keep on dying, until they accept the terms or are overthrown. We're not going anywhere until we get what we want.
#2. To: Vicomte13 (#1) Syria is a Russian ally, the place where the Russians base their fleet. True.
Syria is also a bitter enemy of Israel, refusing to formally make peace. Israel is hardly interested in peace themselves so both are guilty.
Syria is a supporter of terrorists who attack Syria and elsewhere. However true this is, it's also true of most every government int he region, including Israel and Saudi Arabia.
Syria is a dictatorship whose government slaughters its people. Saudi Arabia is also a dictatorship, and claims that Syria kills it's own people are suspect due to the political forces in play.
So, given all of those things, we have ample reason to destroy the Syrian regime. No we don't, unless we also commit to destroying the Saudi Arabia regime which of course will never happen as long as the SA monarchy remains an "ally" of the USA.
(1) Formally make peace with and recognize Israel, including accepting long- term Israeli policing of the Golan Heights. Israel will not agree to peace with the current Syrian government no matter what. The Golan Heights is certainly a sticky point Syria will likely never agree to.
Syria attacked Israel from the Golan Heights multiple times. They cannot be permitted to simply reassume possession without an Israeli presence. So, governorship can pass, but the Israelis must be permitted to stay, unmolested, as long as it takes to build trust. However reasonable this may seem, Syria will never accept such proposal as it would be very humiliating to them.
(2) Expel the terrorists, stop supporting them, kill them.
(3) Stop slaughtering their own people, and get rid of all chemical or biological weapons. Syria already fully agreed to get rid of their chem weapons, and Russia supports this as well. By some accounts, this was already done under Obama/Kerry due to a great diplomatic move by Putin vs Kerry which took Kerry off guard.
Anything less, and it looks as though Syrian regime supporters are just going to have to keep on dying, until they accept the terms or are overthrown. We're not going anywhere until we get what we want. Actually, with Russian support, the pro-Assad forces continue to make gains defeating rebels in Syria. If the momentum continues, ISIS will be defeated in Syria and the only rebels remaining will be US supported rebels, including the Kurds that Turkey hates. At that point, pressure will rise for Assad to attack those rebels, and the risk of a US Russian confrontation will be greater than it is now.
#5. To: Pinguinite (#2) (Edited) Actually, with Russian support, the pro-Assad forces continue to make gains defeating rebels in Syria. If the momentum continues, ISIS will be defeated in Syria and the only rebels remaining will be US supported rebels, including the Kurds that Turkey hates. At that point, pressure will rise for Assad to attack those rebels, and the risk of a US Russian confrontation will be greater than it is now. Then the pressure will rise and rise, and the Russians will keep backing away from the confrontation, and the US-backed rebels will continue to be a perpetual thorn in their side, because we are not going anywhere until we get what we want, and we are much more powerful than Russia, so they cannot push us out, and do not dare get into a direct military conflict with America, because if they do, they will lose. So, the war will continue.
Replies to Comment # 5. because we are not going anywhere until we get what we want, and we are much more powerful than Russia, so they cannot push us out, and do not dare get into a direct military conflict with America, because if they do, they will lose. Putin is no fool. He's very clever and sly, and fortunately for US, also reasonable and interested in peace. And while Russia doesn't have nearly the military budget the US does, they do have state of the art anti aircraft weaponry, and ultimately, nuclear weapons. And if they use them, yes, they will still lose, but they will not lose alone. The advantage Putin has is he's aware of that, which the US leadership and populous seems to arrogantly not get, and dangerously so.
So, the war will continue. I expect the US will have to eventually concede that Syria will not go the way it, Israel, and Saudi Arabia wants. Assad, or at least his family, will remain in charge of Syria. The ball will then be in the anti-Assad regional powers in the area to try something else, and life &, yes, war will continue.
#13. To: Vicomte13 (#5) Then the pressure will rise and rise, and the Russians will keep backing away from the confrontation It is a very risky assumption. Russians tend to yield, yield and yield. Until the INVISIBLE line is crossed. You never know when you cross it, and perhaps they don't know themselves. It is like handling an explosive substance. Chancellor Bismark said: "the Russians -- slow to the saddle....ride like the wind". "By attacking Russia we would only further consolidate it"
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