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Title: The Economics of God
Source: KJV Bible
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Published: Jun 16, 2017
Author: God, collected and commented on by Vicom
Post Date: 2017-06-16 08:23:53 by Vicomte13
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Views: 6013
Comments: 52

Nearly everythigng in Scriptrue has an economic component, and God has used economic realities to shape the world since the beginning.

Indeed, at irs origin "economics" is a composite word, consisting of the Greek "oikos", meaning "house", and "nomes", meaning "law". So, economics is "the law of the household", Of course the aggregate of a hundred million households makes for some mighty numbers, but the same fundamental needs drive each household, and each person, and each animal, and this is by design.

When God made the world, as described in Genesis, he first created the physical structures of its existence. The first biologically living things (as we define it) were created on the third "day", when the plants and trees were made. Plants anchor on soil, whence they get the elements that form their structure, they live on water and light. God provided the light directly, and the water sprang up from the ground. On the fourth day God created the sun as the source of natural light for the world, that the plants would use as their energy source.

On the fifth and sixth days God created the animals, whose economics are more complicated, for while the still require a habitat of solid ground or sea in which to live, and they still require water, they cannot eat light to make food, like the trees. They have to eat the products of plants, or the products of animals (originally just milk, later, meat).

And to collect those things, animals generally cannot fix themselves to the ground, like plants. They have to move around.

Air is a special case, because it is the spirit that God breathes into the nostrils of animals, not plants, to make them breathers (a word we translate as "living souls"). In Scripture animals die but plants fade and wither, and the life is given by breath and taken back by the withdrawal of breath, by God. The blood carries the breath to the body, and so the blood is the life.

The basic natural economy of creation is straightforward. Light and water feed the plants, the animals eat the plants, and man also eats the plants and, through his dominion, may eat the milk of animals as well. The land was fertile and self watering, there was light and abundance. There was the destruction of plant cells through digestion, and plants competed for space and light (which is why Adam and Eve had the task of tending the Garden, but there was no Biblical death, as the breathers were not being killed and eaten. There was superabundance of food, so the economics were the economics of the lack of scarcity and, therefore, leisure. There was no need for clothing, and no energy spent in such activity. Man was made to live an economy of leisure in nudity, with a focus on esthetics: tending the Garden.

That's a summary of the Economics of Eden. I'll tie it to Genesis text when I come back and have a Bible in hand.

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#11. To: Vicomte13 (#0)

There was no need for clothing,

I have to take issue with that. Go made clothing for Adam. Clothing is necessary. It is one thing that separates us from animals.

A K A Stone  posted on  2017-06-16   19:01:25 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#21. To: A K A Stone (#11)

There was no need for clothing,

I have to take issue with that. Go made clothing for Adam. Clothing is necessary. It is one thing that separates us from animals.

Only AFTER the Fall. The need for clothing, because of shame, occurred BECAUSE the man and the woman ate the forbidden fruit.

They were not originally made to need clothing, or to miss it - they did not originally feel shame, and so were naked and without shame.

At this point in the narrative, I am describing the economic status of Eden. It was in Eden where there was no scarcity, and no need for work. Tending the garden - their job - was an esthetic exercise. They could eat any of the plants - there was nothing to fear, nothing poisonous. The animals were under their command and not afraid of them, but also not aggressive to them, obedient. Eve was not surprised at the speech of the serpent.

With the Fall, all of that was lost, and a consequence of the Fall, and being driven out of Eden, was now the need to work in order to eat, now the cursing of the land, to produce thistles and inedible things, forcing Adam to work and sweat. And with the Fall, shame came, and man and woman realized they were naked and needed clothes. They made their first clothes, which God replaced with animal skins - but that was only after the Fall. Just the need for cloithing itself imposes a staggering burden of labor on mankind. As does the need to eat. Before industrialization, well over 90% of all human activity was devoted to agriculture, for food and fiber to make clothes. The other major activity required was to make housing against the brutality of the elements.

There was no need to work in Eden - we were not actually MADE to work. The fact we have to in order to survive, to "live by the sweat of our brow", is a PUNISHMENT imposed on us, as a consequence of the Fall. We were DESIGNED to live naked and eat freely of the plants, and to tend a garden for aesthetic purposes, not out of the necessity to eat.

Because I am telling the story sequentially, as the Bible does, I had not in the main narrative gotten to the point of the Fall yet. I was describing the original conditions of man, as God made us and intended for us to be. The esthetic element of it, and peaceful dominion over the animals without bloodshed, are hallmarks of it. So was the fundamental equality of man and woman. That Eve would be subject to Adam was another one of the punishments of the Fall, not the original condition.

Vicomte13  posted on  2017-06-16   20:34:11 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


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I promised I would give the Scriptural quotations to follow along with the narrative of the Economics of God.

Because Scripture can so easily be taken out of context, I've decided to go sequentially through the Bible, beginning to end, as the later parts were written later than the earlier parts, so that we can see the economic doctrine of God unveil itself progressively through successive books of the Bible.

The rlk's of the world completely reject religion as having any reality, so this is of no use to his closed mind. But even those who style themselves atheists should find it useful to know what these Judaeo-Christian Scriptures, that the majority of the society in which he lives holds as holy, say, if only to know what to expect.

I've thought about how to present the points. I already said I will be going in order, starting with Genesis 1:1, but I could present the texts a few ways. I could just give the reference numbers, so that people can take the numbers and go look at whatever Bible they have to see

That would be easiest for me and require the least typing, but it would not be the most effective pedagogy. People are inclined to be skeptical of anything at first, and imposing a big homework assignment before persuading them is a waste of time. (I see this technique used on the boards all the time. Somebody won't summarize an argument, but will instead insist that somebody needs to read a book. Often this is done in a heated tone. The obvious response is that if the guy insisting I read a book cannot clearly summarize what I will find in the book, then he himself doesn't really understand what he's talking about, so why should I waste my own precious time going and doing the homework to help him prove his point to me? I won't, and it's foolish to think that anybody would.)

Everything in the Scriptures is somewhat interrelated (if only insofar as it all relates back to God), but completely retyping the Bible doesn't make sense either.

So what I've settled on is that I will generally cite to the sections of Scripture that we're talking about, but I will specifically cite the language that forms the basis for the economics of God.

I am using the King James Version (KIV) language, because the audience is mostly Protestant, and nobody will reject it as a good text, while some will only accept it as the source text. There is little need to go below the English to the underlying Hebrew, and I will seek to avoid that as much as possible. There are a hundred-thousand ancillary issues that pop up in Scripture that we COULD discuss, but I am going to try to stay disciplined and just focus on the divine economics.

So, then, the first text we are looking at is Genesis 1. Economics is essentially the matter of fulfilling the needs of living things, but it doesn't get interesting for us until we get to mankind.

Still, when one considers animals in the state of nature, there is a natural economy at work - they must eat, reproduce, protect their young, resist disease, and either make or find shelter, migrate, or rely on their natural adaptations against the climate. The lot of wild animals is not different from the lot of wild humans. Humans merely have the brain power to be able to far more broadly modify their environment than animals do. This is biblical: man is made in God's image, and is given dominion over the animals.

So then we can pick up our direct quotiations with the making of mankind at Genesis 1:26-27:

"And God said: Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth. So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them."

A few things to note. This was translated into English in 1611, before modern biological science, even before the whaling industry was anything more than coastal. The English language in the age of biological science has become very precise, and we learn it with those precisions. In 1611, there was no biological science to speak of, and modern naming conventions had not yet been devised.

So, when we read "the fishes of the sea and the fowls of the air", we must understand that what this translation is meant to say is "the animals in the sea and the animals that fly". "Fish" in modern English would exclude sea mammals, dolphins, whales and other sea invertebrates, but the Bible doesn't exclude them. The Hebrew word translated as "fishes" isn't really perfectly translated as "swimmers" - the "swimmers in the waters". Likewise, in modern English, the word "fowl" means the order Aves - feathered birds. Bats and flying squirrels are not "fowls" in modern English, Nor are flying insects. In the English of 1611, though, a bat was a form of fowl. And in the actual Hebrew, the word translated as "fowls" is really "flyers". The Hebrew, literally translated is "swimmers in the waters and flyers in the skies". The English "fishes of the sea and fowls of the air" is very poetic, as we would expect English from the time of Shakespeare to be, but it must not be read as human dominion extending to only certain types of sea animals and flying animals. That would be a modern anachronism, and it would be reading metaphoric language too literally. The Hebrew is much broader - man has dominion over all of the air and sea animals, not just fish and birds.

That shouldn't be controversial, and to make the point I did need to go to the Hebrew, which I just said above I'd avoid doing. I thought that the point was important enough to depart from my general rule.

The nature of the dominion is not yet spelled out.

Moving forward, God gives the very first commandments to the newly created mankind, in Genesis 1:28:

"And God blessed them, and God said unto them, Be fruitful and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it; and have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over every living thing that moveth upon the earth."

The word translated into English as "earth" is the Hebrew word "land".

Reproduction establishes the first economic act, as the young must be provided for and protected and nutured, and human offspring are not immediately capable, the way that newly hatched crocodiles are (for example).

Then finally God gives the first economic directions to man and the land animals, instructing them as to what they may eat.

Genesis 1:29-30:

"And God said, Behold, I have given you every herb bearing seed, which is upon the face of all the earth, and every tree, in the which is the fruit of a tree yielding seed; to you it shall be for meat. And to every beast of the earth, and to every fowl of the air, and to everything thing that creepeth upon the earth, wherein there is life, I have given every green herb for meat; and it was so"

So, there you have the initial diet of man and land animals (God doesn't say in the Scripture what he gave the sea animals to eat): fruits and plants. Milk is not mentioned here, but then, it's never mentioned later either, and God created animals with teats so it is assumed.

Genesis 1 has given the basic economy: plant eating animals and men whose task is to reproduce and fill the land. These are the "Initial Conditions", from which things then devolve.

In Genesis 2, God will give man more specific instructions.

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#25. To: Vicomte13 (#24)

Perhaps someday you an turn this thread into a book. If you have the time to go through everything you ,mentioned.

I'll keep reading.

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