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Title: The Economics of God
Source: KJV Bible
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Published: Jun 16, 2017
Author: God, collected and commented on by Vicom
Post Date: 2017-06-16 08:23:53 by Vicomte13
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Views: 5962
Comments: 52

Nearly everythigng in Scriptrue has an economic component, and God has used economic realities to shape the world since the beginning.

Indeed, at irs origin "economics" is a composite word, consisting of the Greek "oikos", meaning "house", and "nomes", meaning "law". So, economics is "the law of the household", Of course the aggregate of a hundred million households makes for some mighty numbers, but the same fundamental needs drive each household, and each person, and each animal, and this is by design.

When God made the world, as described in Genesis, he first created the physical structures of its existence. The first biologically living things (as we define it) were created on the third "day", when the plants and trees were made. Plants anchor on soil, whence they get the elements that form their structure, they live on water and light. God provided the light directly, and the water sprang up from the ground. On the fourth day God created the sun as the source of natural light for the world, that the plants would use as their energy source.

On the fifth and sixth days God created the animals, whose economics are more complicated, for while the still require a habitat of solid ground or sea in which to live, and they still require water, they cannot eat light to make food, like the trees. They have to eat the products of plants, or the products of animals (originally just milk, later, meat).

And to collect those things, animals generally cannot fix themselves to the ground, like plants. They have to move around.

Air is a special case, because it is the spirit that God breathes into the nostrils of animals, not plants, to make them breathers (a word we translate as "living souls"). In Scripture animals die but plants fade and wither, and the life is given by breath and taken back by the withdrawal of breath, by God. The blood carries the breath to the body, and so the blood is the life.

The basic natural economy of creation is straightforward. Light and water feed the plants, the animals eat the plants, and man also eats the plants and, through his dominion, may eat the milk of animals as well. The land was fertile and self watering, there was light and abundance. There was the destruction of plant cells through digestion, and plants competed for space and light (which is why Adam and Eve had the task of tending the Garden, but there was no Biblical death, as the breathers were not being killed and eaten. There was superabundance of food, so the economics were the economics of the lack of scarcity and, therefore, leisure. There was no need for clothing, and no energy spent in such activity. Man was made to live an economy of leisure in nudity, with a focus on esthetics: tending the Garden.

That's a summary of the Economics of Eden. I'll tie it to Genesis text when I come back and have a Bible in hand.

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#1. To: All (#0)

A typo correction: "nomos" is law, not "nomes".

Vicomte13  posted on  2017-06-16   8:54:20 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#4. To: Vicomte13 (#1)

Thank you much. I am certainly interested.

Anthem  posted on  2017-06-16   11:11:45 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#6. To: Anthem (#4) (Edited)

I am looking forward to it.

If Stone and I are to make peace - which I hope we do because peace is a good thing, and Christians shouldn't be hating on each other - it will have to come through this.

I'm going to have to go through a LOT of Scripture, because that's the only authority that Protestants will ever accept. Instead of screaming across the gap of different realities, I prefer to simply take The Book in hand, and read it. This way the Protestant is hearing the only source he will accept as authoritative...and since it says what I believe anyway, why not make it easy on myself and just use what I know my interlocutor will treat as authoritative. I am not personally a "Scripture Alone" (or necessarily a "Scripture at ALL" kind of guy, but given that the Scripture says what I think, there's no reason for me to RESIST using it, especially when my interlocutors believe that it is the Only Inspired Word of God or something similar.

Now, because certain words are fundamental to meaning, once the overall sense is presented, we will have to delve into specific Hebrew (later Greek) words and their components, to make sure that we are very precisely using the words as they were originally meant, and that we are not building up important doctrines on translation.

But rather than starting granularly and trying to build up from the atoms - and getting lost in the weeds of endless bickering on the way (my past experience), I will start with the 100,000 foot view, and then go down and focus on details.

Vicomte13  posted on  2017-06-16   11:25:23 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#15. To: Vicomte13 (#6)

I am not personally a "Scripture Alone" (or necessarily a "Scripture at ALL" kind of guy, but given that the Scripture says what I think, there's no reason for me to RESIST using it, especially when my interlocutors believe that it is the Only Inspired Word of God or something similar.

Ok Vic. I don't get you.

How can you not be a scripture guy and claim to have authority from God for what you say?

You hint that there is some other inspired from God from a source outside the Bible. Do you care to share? Here or a separate thread. Your choice.

A K A Stone  posted on  2017-06-16   19:09:58 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


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#23. To: A K A Stone (#15)

You hint that there is some other inspired from God from a source outside the Bible. Do you care to share? Here or a separate thread. Your choice.

Mostly science. My only personal revelations have been miracles of my own survival in ridiculous circumstances or with fatal injuries, where God simply reached in and said "No, not yet" and set me back up again intact. That is how I KNOW that God exists as a sentient, intelligent, conscious being - a HE rather than an IT.

Before all of that, through the careful scientific study of nature, through physics and chemistry and biology and astronomy, mathematics and zoology and genetics and the application of logic, I discovered the God of Genesis, the God of Nature who created and who held things up with his mighty hand. Natural Law and Divine Law are the same thing. I realized that when I spoke of the immutable, invincible, omnipotent, omnipresent and apparently eternal laws of Nature, I was speaking of something that was God, albeit not a conscious God.

So, I was a monotheistic pagan pantheist, very much like the ancient Lucretius (circa 76 BC), but with a strong foundation in modern science to PROVE my God, before God reached out of the air, grabbed me by the face and spoke. It was the direct revelation that changed God from an IT, of which I was certain through scientific examination and the application of my God- given reason, to a HE, because of revelation.

I didn't read the Bible until long after I knew God through science and revelation. Because I didn't go in seeking faith, but with the certitude of the EXISTENCE of God, what I was looking for was to see if the God of the Bible had anything to do with the REAL God that I knew directly and had reached through reason.

I discovered them to be the same. It was through the Scriptures that I discovered the emotional character and the economics of God - I was always content to contemplate the universe with a tranquil mind as my form of worship, and still am. That God did more than set it all up and rule it through the physics is what is revealed in Scripture, and what his opinions are about everything important is there. Really, the Scriptures are the way that man can read about God's answers to those things that trouble MAN. In them, he doesn't reveal much of anything about his deal with, say, the birds, whom he also gave life to, but who did not fall the way man did (as far as we know).

Who knows what God's deal is with the birds of the air? He didn't tell us, either by present word or in Scripture. So we don't know. And that's ok. We have not been revealed everything. But the Scripture DOES reveal a great deal. And because, when the Hebrew is read carefully, punctiliously, down in the pictographs and without forcing meanings onto the words, it gives a clear, clean and accurate portrait of the development of the cosmos as science reveals it, it is the most powerful testimony to the inspiration of Scripture by God, for there is no way at all that the ancient bedouins of Israel could have possibly simply INTUITED that which was all unseen until the 19th and 20th Centuries. The fact that Scripture is so stunningly accurate in its scientific minutia, albeit written in very ancient bedouin language, is proof that it was inspired by God. The people who wrote those texts could not have possibly known any of those things, and could not have accurately guessed so many hidden things.

It's an amazing piece of work, Genesis 1 - a true miracle - once it is seen in all of its scientific glory.

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