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politics and politicians Title: BREAKING : Mark Levin “You Should Be Very Proud of Your President -a REAL Commander in Chief” Conservative talk show powerhouse Mark Levin praised President Trump’s airstrikes against a Syria airbase, saying, “that’s a real leader.” After eight years of feckless, dithering foreign policy from Obama and his administration, it’s refreshing to see STRENGTH and confidence back in the White House. On Thursday President Trump launched 59 Tomahawk missiles at a Syrian airbase believed to be housing chemical weapons. The U.S. attack was retaliation for a Syrian chemical attack on Tuesday that killed innocent women and children. Post Comment Private Reply Ignore Thread Top • Page Up • Full Thread • Page Down • Bottom/Latest Why would anyone be "proud" of an idiot sitting in the Oval Office? Levin is full of shit, just as much as tater.
#2. To: Gatlin (#0) The U.S. attack was retaliation for a Syrian chemical attack on Tuesday that killed innocent women and children.
Meh... A slap on the wrist... I'm wondering why it took 60~70 Tomahawks just to blow up a couple hangars... Reportedly, the runways were barely scratched, they didn't target the chemical storage or radar systems, and planes were still using the runways the very next day... So what the hell did they actually hit with that many tomahawks?
#3. To: Willie Green (#2) THe Russians say that we destroyed 20 aircraft.
#4. To: Vicomte13 (#3) Yeah... but the Wikipedia says they have somewhere between 460~670 of them... so knocking out 20 barely puts a dent in their capability... especially if Putin gives Assad another couple dozen or so anytime he wants...
#5. To: Gatlin (#0) (Edited) “You Should Be Very Proud of Your President -a REAL Commander in Chief”
A real commander in chief does not lead his people into obvious self destructive ambushs!Trump has shit for brains.
#6. To: Gatlin (#0) The U.S. attack was retaliation for a Syrian chemical attack There is absolutely no proof that the attack was ordered and orchestrated by Assad. “Truth is treason in the empire of lies.” - Ron Paul![]() Those who most loudly denounce Fake News are typically those most aggressively disseminating it.#7. To: Vicomte13 (#3) THe Russians say that we destroyed 20 aircraft. They don't
#8. To: Deckard (#6) (Edited) The U.S. attack was retaliation for a Syrian chemical attack
And there is absolutely no proof that a Tomahawk missile attack was ordered and orchestrated against Assad. Latest reports show him alive and well….he was not attacked. However, the Syrian air base from which the chemical attack was launched is a different matter. There are reports of heavy damage …
#9. To: Gatlin (#8) There is absolutely no proof that the attack was ordered and orchestrated by Assad. Military action is typically justified by public relations gimmicry. Reality has nothing to do with it. The race is on to create support jihadist public relations by the jihadists and their allies on the destructive political left over here. Thinking people know whodunit. The question becomes one of developing an illuion of supporting enough public relations gimmicry to promote an illusion of universal support to overcome factuality over here.
#10. To: Gatlin, MAQGA, *Arab Spring Jihad*, buckeroo (#8) The D&R terrorists hate us because we're free, to vote second party![]() #11. To: Gatlin, randge (#8) the Syrian air base from which the chemical attack was launched
H/T: randge “Truth is treason in the empire of lies.” - Ron Paul![]() Those who most loudly denounce Fake News are typically those most aggressively disseminating it.#12. To: hondo68, tater the babbling idiot (#10) tater: Latest reports show him [Assad]alive and well…he [Assad] was not attacked. The idiot makes posts like the above. I wager tater votes for McCain every chnce he gets.
#13. To: Deckard (#11) THIS STORY MAKES NO SENSE AT ALL Get ready for it, Bubba, here is a story that does make sense ... Syria's use of chemical weapons has a grim logic
#14. To: Gatlin, ISIS of Panama, Jihad Johnny McCain, Hillary neocons, *Neo-Lib Chickenhawk Wars* (#13) The D&R terrorists hate us because we're free, to vote second party![]() #15. To: Gatlin (#13) "The international community will stay gazing at what's happening and observing the explosive barrels falling and rockets bombing the civilians and the hospitals and the civil defense and killing children and medical staff without doing anything." Where did this happen and under who's auspices?
#16. To: Gatlin (#0) The U.S. attack was retaliation for a Syrian chemical attack on Tuesday that killed innocent women and children. When did Congress declare war on Syria? Did I sleep through that? BOYCOTT PAYPAL AND CLOSE YOUR PP ACCOUNTS NOW! ENCOURAGE OTHERS TO DO SO,TOO! ISLAM MEANS SUBMISSION! Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012) American Indians had open borders. Look at how well that worked out for them. #17. To: Willie Green (#2) Reportedly, the runways were barely scratched, I saw a video of a jet bomber taking off from that runway on the noon news. The concrete cover it had been sitting under didn't even look damaged. WTH did those 59 missiles land? Were they filled full of popcorn? BOYCOTT PAYPAL AND CLOSE YOUR PP ACCOUNTS NOW! ENCOURAGE OTHERS TO DO SO,TOO! ISLAM MEANS SUBMISSION! Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012) American Indians had open borders. Look at how well that worked out for them. #18. To: Gatlin (#8) However, the Syrian air base from which the chemical attack was launched is a different matter. There were fighter/bombers taking off from it today to fly bombing missions. BOYCOTT PAYPAL AND CLOSE YOUR PP ACCOUNTS NOW! ENCOURAGE OTHERS TO DO SO,TOO! ISLAM MEANS SUBMISSION! Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012) American Indians had open borders. Look at how well that worked out for them. #19. To: sneakypete (#17) WTH did those 59 missiles land? Were they filled full of popcorn?
Heck, I dunno pete... Someone said we got 20 aircraft...
#20. To: sneakypete (#18) (Edited) There are reports of heavy damage … Of course there were Syrian aircraft taking off today from the air field. It was never expected there would not be. In fact two Syrian jets already took of from the air base on Friday that was hit by the 58 Tomahawk missiles early Friday morning. They also took off yesterday….and again today, as you stated. But there were 26 less Syrian aircraft available to ever take off from that air base….since they were destroyed in the missile strikes. There were 58 hits with Tomahawks to destroy those aircraft, along with infrastructure, the air defense radar and control center, work shops and the fuel depot. All this means heavy damage in English and the same أضرار جسيمة in Arabic. It was never the intent to pothole the runway to prevent usage. That would have been a waste of missiles since all potholes could have been repaired within hours anyway….for any surviving aircraft to start taking off Friday and continuing through the weekend. But take a look at this … This was the damage done only by two missiles. Stop and visualize this kind of damage to 56 other facilities and you should have a very good idea of what was meant by the usage of the term “heavy damage.” Again: All this means heavy damage in English and the same أضرار جسيمة in Arabic. You disagree? Are you saying there was not heavy damage? Edit Add: There are reports of heavy damage … Of course there were Syrian aircraft taking off today from the air field. It was never expected there would not be. In fact two Syrian jets already took of from the air base on Friday that was hit by the 58 Tomahawk missiles early Friday morning. They also took off yesterday….and again today, as you stated. But there were 26 less Syrian aircraft available to ever take off from that air base….since they were destroyed in the missile strikes. There were 58 hits with Tomahawks to destroy those aircraft, along with infrastructure, the air defense radar and control center, work shops and the fuel depot. All this means heavy damage in English and the same أضرار جسيمة in Arabic. It was never the intent to pothole the runway to prevent usage. That would have been a waste of missiles since all potholes could have been repaired within hours anyway….for any surviving aircraft to start taking off Friday and continuing through the weekend. But take a look at this … This was the damage done only by two missiles. Stop and visualize this kind of damage to 56 other facilities and you should have a very good idea of what was meant by the usage of the term “heavy damage.” Again: All this means heavy damage in English and the same أضرار جسيمة in Arabic. You disagree? Are you saying there was not heavy damage? Edit Add: Russia said only 23 of the 59 missiles fired from US warships hit their mark, but that six Syrian jets and several buildings were destroyed in the attack. Another report says nine Syrian jets were destroyed.
#21. To: All (#9) (Edited) Military action is typically justified by public relations gimmicry. Reality has nothing to do with it. The race is on to create support jihadist public relations by the jihadists and their allies on the destructive political left over here. I see quite a few people here have swallowed the illusion over reality. Isaac Asimov was correct. People are stupid.
#22. To: sneakypete, Tooconservative, All (#20)
This satellite picture and the satellite pictures in the link are from ImageSat International. This picture shows 44 hits….21 more than the Russians said, and 14 less that the US Navy said. There is no explained reason for the discrepancy in the Russian number. But it should be noted that some of the missile hits were probably double targeted. The reason for this is the first missile will weakened the reinforced structure and a second missile comes in moments afterwards for the kill hit. Also, on high priority targets, a double hit may be scheduled to insure severe damage or destruction. [The absence of the remaining 14 hits showing in the picture is speculation on my part and based on the target scheduling in the past….I have no idea what the procedures are today, but I would imagine the same purpose from the past would be served today]. Click here to see additional satellite images showing before/after of US missile strikes on Syrian air base.
#23. To: sneakypete (#16)
#24. To: rlk (#15) "The international community will stay gazing at what's happening and observing the explosive barrels falling and rockets bombing the civilians and the hospitals and the civil defense and killing children and medical staff without doing anything."
Why Syrian civilians get killed with barrel bombs and chemical attacks
List of Syrian Civil War barrel bomb attacks
Google for more information ….
#25. To: Gatlin (#20) Are you saying there was not heavy damage? Yes, The shelter they were in wasn't even destroyed,and there is something wrong about those photos. If those jets had been destroyed by missile strikes,why are the roofs still standing? BOYCOTT PAYPAL AND CLOSE YOUR PP ACCOUNTS NOW! ENCOURAGE OTHERS TO DO SO,TOO! ISLAM MEANS SUBMISSION! Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012) American Indians had open borders. Look at how well that worked out for them. #26. To: Gatlin (#22) This picture shows 44 hits….21 more than the Russians said, and 14 less that the US Navy said. That pic leaves a lot to be desired but it is a step in the right direction. I suppose I must be an extreme cynic not to just take their word for it.
#27. To: sneakypete, redleghunter, Tooconservative (#25) Are you saying there was not heavy damage?Uh, hello Pete, they were not destroying the shelters….they were destroying the aircraft in the shelters. If those jets had been destroyed by missile strikes,why are the roofs still standing? ![]() For every question….there is a logical answer. The missiles penetrated through the roofs and left the roofs still standing….after penetrating through the roofs, the missiles hit and destroyed the aircrafts under the roofs. That’s exactly what happened …
#28. To: Tooconservative (#26) I suppose I must be an extreme cynic not to just take their word for it. I cannot understand why you are such a cynic on this. If you could show good reason the Navy lied....I could join with you.
#29. To: Gatlin, sneakypete (#27) The missiles penetrated through the roofs and left the roofs still standing….after penetrating through the roofs, the missiles hit and destroyed the aircrafts under the roofs. Maybe they have some reason to want to damage the roof. However, they do brag that the Tomahawk can fly a thousand miles and hit a tenth-floor window with pinpoint precision so they could have flown them into the big open doors instead of punching through the roof. I suppose those kind of aircraft shelters looked very formidable back in the Sixties and Seventies. I assume that is when they were built.
#30. To: Gatlin, Bagdad Bob tater (#20) There were 58 hits with Tomahawks to destroy those aircraft, along with infrastructure, the air defense radar and control center, work shops and the fuel depot. But not all of them came down in the area of the airport. Reports are that 23 to 26 landed there. The rest are "hits" on whatever they hit. One missile can take out more than one plane, etc, so quit lying and trying to claim that all 58 were wonderful hits on target. You're starting to sound like the Donald's crowd size claims for the inauguration... "alternative facts" (lies). The D&R terrorists hate us because we're free, to vote second party![]() #31. To: Gatlin (#28) If you could show good reason the Navy lied....I could join with you. We get less and less information about any military operation in recent years. And what we do get is increasingly exposed as unreliable. What we really get is just propaganda. Shallow propaganda at that. But maybe that is all the public actually wants and only a very few people like me actually want any details. Increasingly, the public is desperate to feel good about itself, I think. They elected (and re-elected) 0bama whose policies they never really supported because they felt good about themselves for voting for a black man for prez. You see the same sort of thing with this missile strike. People don't care how effective it was, where the missiles hit, how much damage was done. But they feel better about themselves for Trump having struck at Assad and his nasty gas and they liked those cute videos with the flag limned by the rockets' red glare of missiles launching (from a ship commanded by a Womyn no less). It's hard even to add up all the virtue-signalling points you score with that. And it wasn't just Republicans who felt that way about slapping Assad around, so did Dems, no matter how much they hate Trump.
#32. To: Tooconservative (#31) If there were 59 missiles launched and 23 hit in the airport area, then the Ruskies might have shot down or electronically waylaid 36. This is just a wild guess and there's no proof, but it might be closer to the truth than what US gov, and MSM is reporting? Just something to ponder. In the absence of facts the sheeple will believe the prevailing malarkey that they hear from the fake news media, aka propaganda. The D&R terrorists hate us because we're free, to vote second party![]() #33. To: hondo68 (#32) If there were 59 missiles launched and 23 hit in the airport area, then the Ruskies might have shot down or electronically waylaid 36. This is just a wild guess and there's no proof, but it might be closer to the truth than what US gov, and MSM is reporting? I tend to trust the Tomahawks. In all the thousands we launched at Iraq, only one or two failed. I recall our recovery effort to get one back that fizzled and crashed without exploding. I seem to recall a second Tomahawk failed too. The Tomahawk is loved because it is so versatile and so reliable. It is our workhorse missile. And a lot more affordable than some of our other missiles.
#34. To: Gatlin (#27) The missiles penetrated through the roofs and left the roofs still standing….after penetrating through the roofs, the missiles hit and destroyed the aircrafts under the roofs. You should have started that story out with "once upon a time...." BOYCOTT PAYPAL AND CLOSE YOUR PP ACCOUNTS NOW! ENCOURAGE OTHERS TO DO SO,TOO! ISLAM MEANS SUBMISSION! Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012) American Indians had open borders. Look at how well that worked out for them. #35. To: Tooconservative (#29) The missiles penetrated through the roofs and left the roofs still standing….after penetrating through the roofs, the missiles hit and destroyed the aircrafts under the roofs. The Tomahawks carry a payload of 1,000 lbs of high explosive. Does anyone SERIOUSLY believe there would even be a truck load of rubble left if a couple of those babies had hit those revetments? I see no displaced blocks,or even cement fragments. I do see soot from a burning fire,and what looks like a couple of jet fighters that might have been set on fire,though. BOYCOTT PAYPAL AND CLOSE YOUR PP ACCOUNTS NOW! ENCOURAGE OTHERS TO DO SO,TOO! ISLAM MEANS SUBMISSION! Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012) American Indians had open borders. Look at how well that worked out for them. #36. To: sneakypete, redleghunter, Tooconservative, All (#34) The missiles penetrated through the roofs and left the roofs still standing….after penetrating through the roofs, the missiles hit and destroyed the aircrafts under the roofs.If you say so, and that is what you need to hear to start the story … Then “once upon a time” [last Friday morning] Tomahawk missiles went through the roofs of these two aircraft shelters …. And the Tomahawk missiles destroyed the aircraft in those shelters without destroying the roofs of those shelters. There, Catfish….that’s exactly what happened and I am telling the story the way you want it to be told. You like it better that I started the story that way….huh? Good, then …
At 0:41 in the video below, you will see the Syrians drive past the two aircraft shelters in the picture I posted. Continue watching that video and at 1:15 you will hear one Syrian say to another Syrian in Arabic …
So the missiles came through the top [meaning the roof, of course], right?Then at 1:19 you will hear the other Syrian say …
Yea, it broke through the roof of the hanger.At 1:29 you will hear one Syrian ask another Syrian, as they stand by a heaping pile of burned out wreckage in the aircraft shelter where the missile went through … Is this the burned down Mig-23?And at 1:23 you will hear the Syrians ask and answer … And all of the hits came through the roof? Yes, exactly.At 1:34, you will hear a Syrian say … It is the same in the other hanger.And 1:34 you also see a picture of what is left of the afterburner nozzles of the burned out Mikoyan-Gurevich MiG-23 [Микоян и Гуревич МиГ-23] “Flogger”….a Soviet made single-engine single-seat swing-wing supersonic jet fighter. Here is a picture of one Mig-23 showing what one looks like before it met up with a Tomahawk missile … Ah, but I digress from “once upon a time.” Sorry about that, back to the “once upon a time” story … Hey, Pete….voilà….at 1:31, you will see but one of the holes in the roof of the aircraft shelter that shows where a dastardly Tomahawk missile penetrated through thick concrete reinforced with steel rebar and steel mesh … Here is the Syrian video …
And so, Pete, it happened exactly the way I first told you it happened and now you have heard the story told the way you wanted it to begin … So, as with another story from the past … Goldilocks woke up and saw the three bears. She screamed, "Help!" And she jumped up and ran out of the room.I hope you can now wake up to reality and fully comprehend that the Tomahawk missiles did indeed penetrate through the roofs of the aircraft shelters and destroyed the Mig-23s without ever destroying the roofs of those shelters….leaving only holes. Pete, did you like it better when I tell the story by starting with “once upon a time?” And, I also politely ask you once again … Pete, are you saying there was not heavy damage? Maybe you and Tooconservative should start a new ping list, called: “Skeptics Anonymous.” I am sure that Deckard would also be prequalified to sign up on it.
#37. To: sneakypete, redleghunter, Tooconservative, All (#35) The missiles penetrated through the roofs and left the roofs still standing….after penetrating through the roofs, the missiles hit and destroyed the aircrafts under the roofs.The Tomahawk has a wide variety of warheads configured for different target objectives. Does anyone SERIOUSLY believe there would even be a truck load of rubble left if a couple of those babies had hit those revetments? I do, see why in Post 36. I see no displaced blocks,or even cement fragments. I do see soot from a burning fire,and what looks like a couple of jet fighters that might have been set on fire,though.Pete, you are a classic example of why science tells us not to rely on eyewitness accounts. You should not believe what your lying eyes tell you, Pete. If you are not objectively seeking the truth….your lying eyes will tell you exactly what you want to see and omit what you don’t want to see. That’s the pure and simple truth….from “once upon a time” directly to you.
#38. To: Tooconservative, sneakypete, redleghunter, All (#36) (Edited) Here is a Russian propaganda drone video showing the Syrian air field after the attack. You will notice they say only 23 missiles struck and there was no significant damage to the air field. You will also notice they showed the two arched aircraft shelters remained unimpaired. However, I just posted a Syrian news video for you that showed extensive damage to the air field and the aircraft in those shelters were destroyed. Interesting….that some folks wish to go with the Russians and still believe there was no heavy damage to the air field.
#39. To: Gatlin, sneakypete, hondo68 (#36) Hey, Pete….voilà….at 1:31, you will see but one of the holes in the roof of the aircraft shelter that shows where a dastardly Tomahawk missile penetrated through thick concrete reinforced with steel rebar and steel mesh … I don't think they penetrated the roof entirely. I think they exploded when they hit the rebar mesh, based on the crater on top of the roof and the larger crater in the ceiling. A Tomahawk doesn't have penetrator warheads.
Here is the Syrian video …At least they showed us a couple of Tomahawk missile bodies and some parts with Raytheon serial numbers. I'd like to see all of these missile bodies. They have to be somewhere. I notice this particular video offers nothing to support the idea that half of our missiles missed the airbase.
#40. To: Gatlin (#38) Here is a Russian propaganda drone video showing the Syrian air field after the attack. ANNA News is a news outfit from Abkhazia. You may recall the Abkhazians were a breakaway region from Georgia, along with the South Ossetians back in 2008. The Abkhazians are to the northwest of Georgia along the sea and the Ossetians are in the far east of Georgia. The Russians stood down the Georgians in their attempt to steamroll their breakaway provinces, Abkhazia and South Ossetia. We didn't hear much about the Abkhazia end of things because they have a big gorge along the "border" and some really rough terrain there so Tiesucker attacked South Ossetia first. Anyway, it seems the Abkhazians didn't get the party line from Moscow on how to report the story.
#41. To: Tooconservative, sneakypete, redleghunter, All (#39) (Edited)
Hey, Pete….voilà….at 1:31, you will see but one of the holes in the roof of the aircraft shelter that shows where a dastardly Tomahawk missile penetrated through thick concrete reinforced with steel rebar and steel mesh …Always the cynic. Picky-Picky. Will you ever give up … Au contraire, on what you say about the Tomahawk penetration ability. The Tomahawk was far past my time, so I only know what I read. I dealt with 5 nukes with the B-58 and eighty-four 500-pound bombs in the B-52 over Nam….with a year in the AC-130 gunship at the end of hostilities, it had the 105 and Gatlin gun. So, maybe redleghunter has the expertise to help us here, if he will. I believe Tomahawk missile can be programed to detonate upon impact or programmed to penetrate 40 centimeters of concrete with a delayed detonation.
I don’t belive that is a Tomahawk in this video, but it shows that a missile can penetrate concrete with a delayed detonation….same point. Edit: I think maybe the Tomahawk can only penetrate 20 centimeters of concrete. Anyway, it could still have, and did, penetrate the concrete roofs of those aircraft shelters.
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