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Title: Collapse of Obamacare repeal plan puts Freedom Caucus in complicated spot
Source: USA Today
URL Source: http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/ ... cus-complicated-spot/99601638/
Published: Mar 24, 2017
Author: Eliza Collins
Post Date: 2017-03-24 20:54:06 by Gatlin
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Views: 445
Comments: 12

WASHINGTON — The House Freedom Caucus scored a victory with conservatives Friday when House Speaker Paul Ryan and President Trump decided to abandon legislation to repeal and replace Obamacare. But the group now also must face a party and a president frustrated that their demands for a more conservative approach forced the legislation to a standstill that leaves the Affordable Care Act in place.

On Friday afternoon, House Speaker Paul Ryan, R-Wis., announced that the legislation had been pulled from consideration because there were not enough votes for it to pass.

While the bill faced critics from all factions of the party, no group played more of a role in sinking the legislation than the Freedom Caucus.

The caucus — which is made up for approximately three dozen hardline conservatives — felt the legislation put forth by House leadership did not go far enough to repeal the health care law. They vowed that enough of their members would vote “no” to sink the bill if their demands weren’t met.

Freedom Caucus members spent weeks in meetings with the president and top-level officials — as recently as Friday afternoon they huddled with the vice president on Capitol Hill — but did not work with House leadership until the final hours leading up to the vote. In the end, and the majority of the caucus members vowed to vote against the bill, and without their support it couldn't pass.

Rep. Trent Franks, R-Ariz., is a member of the Freedom Caucus who did not announce which way he planned to vote, but he acknowledged Friday morning that the group he belonged to was in a complicated position.

“This kind of cuts two ways. If the bill fails because of the Freedom Caucus then certainly it will be impossible to suggest that they have no influence. But if it fails because the Freedom Caucus and is seen in a negative light then it will incur the wrath of those who see it that way,” Franks told USA TODAY. “I think (President Trump) might be among those voices.”

“No, not particularly. They're friends of mine. I'm disappointed because we could have had it. So I'm disappointed. I'm a little surprised, to be honest with you. We really had it. It was pretty much there within grasp,” Trump told reporters after the announcement that the vote had been pulled. “It was a very hard time for them and a very hard vote. But they're very good people.”

“I’m a member of the Freedom Caucus and I do not blame the Freedom Caucus. I thought we were constructive, it was just a bridge too far in terms of the differences between conservatives and the moderates,” Texas Rep. Joe Barton, who was one of the lawmakers who had decided to back the bill, told reporters Friday afternoon. “We’ll come back next week and keep pushing freedom. We helped improve the bill we got quite a bit in it, we didn’t get everything we want.”

Ryan was cautious assigning blame for the defeat in an afternoon press conference, but he did prod the reluctant members of his party. "Ultimately, this all kind of comes down to a choice. Are all of us willing to give a little to get something done?" Ryan said. "Are we willing to say yes to the good, the very good, even if it's not the perfect? Because if we're willing to do that, we still have such an incredible opportunity in front of us."

Heritage Action, an influential conservative interest group that said the bill was too timid, applauded the Freedom Caucus members for standing firm.

“It is encouraging to see lawmakers like (Freedom Caucus Chair Rep. Mark Meadows) and (former caucus chair Rep. Jim Jordan) and these folks who are willing to stand up to incredible pressure,” Heritage Action Vice President of Communications and Government Relations Dan Holler told USA TODAY. “If they can continue to do that it means the policy outcomes will continue to get better as the leadership realizes they have to work with the House Freedom Caucus in a substantive way early on in the process.”

But not everyone was as optimistic.

“There’s some divisiveness within our conference now that is not healthy. And it will take a while to heal, even if this does pass,” Rep. Chris Collins, R-N.Y., told reporters Friday morning when it was still unclear what would happen with the vote. “I’ve never seen this before, but people are just, they’re refusing to talk to each other. They’re storming past each other. This is not good.”

“We have to understand we’re no longer the party of ‘no’ we have to learn how to govern," said Rep. Steve Womack, R-Ark., late Friday afternoon.“I believe at some point in time we have to get issues on the floor let the House work its will and look — if it’s going to go down, let the ‘no’s own it."

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#1. To: Gatlin (#0)

Dumbass obstructionists don't have any constructive proposals that they can all agree on.

Willie Green  posted on  2017-03-24   21:03:03 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#2. To: Gatlin (#0)

So what? Anything that smothered this half-baked nonsense in the crib was welcome.

They tried to steamroll the caucus with a bill that was poorly conceived and written largely at the behest of Big Pharma and Big Insurance and to appease lobbyists and various special interest groups.

Why not just bring back last year's repeal bill? It got all but 5 of the GOP in Congress (3 in the House, 2 in the Senate) on both its passage and in the attempt to override 0bama's veto? That was a bill that clearly could and did pass overwhelmingly including virtually every 'no' vote in today's fracas.

I'm beginning to think the real problem is that Ryan is a squish and coward when push comes to shove, just like Roberts on the Court.

HotAir: Why didn’t the GOP try to pass last year’s vetoed health-care bill?

Tooconservative  posted on  2017-03-24   21:27:46 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#3. To: Willie Green (#1)

Dumbass obstructionists don't have any constructive proposals that they can all agree on.

Repeal?

Why ruin something that doesn't need to be ruined? Instead of punishing 95% of the people because 5% has a problem is truly a bizarre thing to do don't you think?

Justified  posted on  2017-03-24   21:30:55 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#4. To: Tooconservative (#2)

Why not just bring back last year's repeal bill?

Do you mean this one …

H.R.2653 - American Health Care Reform Act of 2015
This bill repeals the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act and the health care provisions of the Health Care and Education Reconciliation Act of 2010, effective January 1, 2016. Provisions amended by repealed provisions are restored.

This bill amends the Internal Revenue Code to allow an income tax standard deduction for health insurance.

Provisions regarding health savings accounts (HSAs) are revised, including to raise contribution limits and to expand the products and services that may be paid for using an HSA.

Group health plans may vary premiums and cost-sharing based on participation in a wellness program.

This bill amends the Public Health Service Act to require the Department of Health and Human Services (HHS) to provide grants to states for high risk health insurance pools.

Individual health insurance coverage is governed by the laws of the state designated by the health insurance issuer.

This bill amends title XI (General Provisions) of the Social Security Act to require the Center for Medicare and Medicaid Services to publish Medicare claims and payment data.

This bill amends the Employee Retirement Income Security Act of 1974 (ERISA) to provide for association health plans, which are group health plans sponsored by certain business associations.

Veterans with certain service-related disabilities or who have been awarded a medal of honor must be provided access to medical services though specified entities other than the Department of Veterans Affairs.

HHS must publish clinical practice guidelines. Independent medical review panels must review health care lawsuits in which the defendant alleges adherence to clinical practice guidelines.

Federal courts have jurisdiction over health care lawsuits.

This bill amends the Balanced Budget and Emergency Deficit Control Act of 1985 to revise non-security discretionary spending limits.

Or is there a different one?

Gatlin  posted on  2017-03-24   22:02:54 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#5. To: Gatlin (#4)

AHCRA, yes, that is it.

Tooconservative  posted on  2017-03-24   22:14:13 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#6. To: Tooconservative (#5)

You pose a good question for which I have no answer….why do you think they did not just bring this bill back?

Gatlin  posted on  2017-03-24   22:26:47 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#7. To: Justified (#3)

Instead of punishing 95% of the people because 5% has a problem is truly a bizarre thing to do don't you think?

There's no punishment.... That's how insurance works...
Not much different than mandatory automobile insurance...
The good drivers ALWAYS wind up paying for problems caused by the bad drivers, regardless of whether the bad drivers have insurance.

We oughta just cut out the middle men... the parasitic insurance industry...
Those leeches are no different than Las Vegas gambling bookies... only more greedy... those lazy bums want to rig the system even more so they collect as much as possible and pay-out as little as possible.. We oughta just go to a single payer system and cut out all that nonproductive overhead... generate some economiies of scale & streamline the system with nationwide standardization...

Downsize the Insurance Companies! They're a bunch of do-nothing parasites!

Willie Green  posted on  2017-03-25   10:08:47 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#8. To: Gatlin (#6)

You pose a good question for which I have no answer….why do you think they did not just bring this bill back?

Because it would pass. It already did pass with pretty much the same exact congresscritters in both chambers.

In the end, the GOPe wants a big-government healthcare program and wants to force us all into their system. And all that talk from the last seven years is revealed to be nothing more than talk.

I have lost the last of any respect I had for Ryan. He needs to go. We will get nothing done as long as he runs the House.

Tooconservative  posted on  2017-03-25   10:40:28 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#9. To: Tooconservative, A K A Stone (#8)

You pose a good question for which I have no answer….why do you think they did not just bring this bill back?

Because it would pass. It already did pass with pretty much the same exact congresscritters in both chambers.

And it was a perfect bill that made everyone happy? Even Rand Paul and all the Freedom Caucus would have gladly jumped on board? You may be right….we will never know. But somehow, I can’t believe that.

I would guess that one reason that bill passed was that “everyone” saw it as a way to “try” to slap Obama in the face….knowing full well that he would veto it without any question. I haven’t seen it said anywhere, but did Rand Paul and the Freedom Caucus say they would fully support the bill from last year if it were introduced again? I fully doubt they did, or they would have. If so, then Rand should have been pushing that bill instead of introducing HIS VERY OWN SPECIAL BILL….ya think?

Nah, TC, I believe that if that same bill had been introduced this time. the Pub Congresscritters would have been bickering, pissing and moaning like a bunch of kids….like Deckard and his asshole buddy, hondope do all the time saying: I am unhappy with this, I am unhappy with that….and so on.

In the end, the GOPe wants a big-government healthcare program and wants to force us all into their system. And all that talk from the last seven years is revealed to be nothing more than talk.
Maybe, maybe not….I am not sure what “they” want.

I may be wrong, but I think that passing this bill and then having Rand work on it in the Senate to improve it….and then Rand and the Freedom Caucus holding Ryan’s feet to the fire [which they proved they can damned well do] for Phase II and III would have been a more saving grace for Donald and the Pubs….than PULLING the bill or voting it DOWN. And that was the route to a compromise. JMO …

I have lost the last of any respect I had for Ryan. He needs to go. We will get nothing done as long as he runs the House.
I have also lost respect for Ryan and I have never had any respect for Rand. I think Rand is just a loud mouth blowhard, cloned in his father’s image. And I think the Freedom Caucus is a bunch of schoolyard bullies, all ganged together as the Pubs version of the notorious MS13 street gang….constantly throwing their weight around.

Ryan acted like an idiot in the locked basement room writing the bill and Rand Paul portrayed himself just as poorly dragging his portable copy machine all around the Capitol “looking for the bill to copy.”

Donald Trump is the best thing that could have ever happened to the Pub Congresscritters at this time….and the BASTARDS let him down, all acting like spoiled brats.

Replace Paul Ryan, tape over Rand Paul’s mouth then lock the Freedom Caucus in a toilet….and let’s really get on with the programs to “Make America Great Again.

I think I pretty much expressed my feelings, although I do sometimes mince words….sometimes!

Where am I wrong, TC …

And what do you think, Stone ...

Gatlin  posted on  2017-03-25   11:31:55 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#10. To: Gatlin, A K A Stone (#9)

And it was a perfect bill that made everyone happy? Even Rand Paul and all the Freedom Caucus would have gladly jumped on board?

In 2015, it got every GOP vote in the House (except three) and in the Senate (except two). Then it got all those same votes again when they tried to override 0bama's veto.

So there is no doubt it could pass because it already did pass twice.

Ryan acted like an idiot in the locked basement room writing the bill and Rand Paul portrayed himself just as poorly dragging his portable copy machine all around the Capitol “looking for the bill to copy.”

Rand was right. It wouldn't have mattered whether he found it and copied it because the damned thing was mutating and changing in significant ways, right up to the scheduled vote. No way more than a handful of GOP House members could have read it all. Most likely, it was entirely the creation of House GOP staffers.

They can expel the Freedom Caucus from the House GOP caucus if they like. They can do it any time they feel like it.

Then they can welcome Speaker Pelosi and give her back her giant gavel to parade around the Capitol with.

Without the Freedom Caucus, there is no House majority. Deal with it, asshole. And every one of them won their races for office, just like Trump did. Further, virtually every one of them won their offices by much larger vote margins than Trump did. Trump is far more unpopular than the Freedom Caucus members are back in their districts.

Tooconservative  posted on  2017-03-25   11:40:59 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#11. To: Tooconservative (#10)

Deal with it, asshole.

Yea, you are right.

Gatlin  posted on  2017-03-25   12:06:19 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#12. To: Willie Green (#7)

There's no punishment.... That's how insurance works...

No insurance is for unforeseen issues. Not a forced to spend on everyone's desire. When government gets a hold of it they try to include everything and everybody but most of all they get paid off to pass what the socialist companies tell them they want. Insurance covers less and cost dramatically more. As it has since Obummercare was enacted.

Nothing beats free market. Yes sometimes government must step in and gently nudge things but not often.

We oughta just cut out the middle men... the parasitic insurance industry...

So you want to cut out the government? Well then you have come to your senses!!

Nothing cost more than when big overbearing government steps in to run the show!!

Justified  posted on  2017-03-25   14:04:31 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


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