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Title: Rand Paul: We Know For Sure Obama Administration Spied On Mike Flynn
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URL Source: http://www.realclearpolitics.com/vi ... ation_spied_on_mike_flynn.html
Published: Mar 20, 2017
Author: Tim Hains
Post Date: 2017-03-20 20:42:13 by A K A Stone
Keywords: None
Views: 3971
Comments: 32

On this week's edition of 'This Week With George Stephanopoulos,' Sen. Rand Paul discussed the president's accusation that his campaign was spied on by the Obama administration:

STEPHANOPOULOS: Finally, sir, you're also a member of the Senate Foreign Relations Committee. WE see the president standing by that claim about President Obama. It's caused a rift now with British intelligence over the weekend. How big a problem is this for the president's credibility? How does he fix it?

PAUL: I think that we know one thing for sure, that the Obama administration did spy on Flynn. Now, whether it was direct or indirect, somebody was reading and taking -- a transcript of his phone calls and then they released it.

It is very, very important that whoever released that go to jail, because you cannot have members of the intelligence community listening to the most private and highly classified information and then releasing that to The New York Times.

There can only be a certain handful of people who did that. I would bring them all in. They would have to take lie detector tests. And I would say, including the political people, because some political people knew about this as well.

But we need to get to the bottom of who is releasing these highly classified conversations. And if the president was surveilled, he probably wasn't the target. I don't know that he was or wasn't. But if he was, they probably targeted someone in a foreign government, but then they listened to the conversation with Americans.

But our government's talking to foreigners all the time. We can't allow people in the intelligence committee to release the contents of that informing to the media.

STEPHANOPOULOS: But you don't believe...

PAUL: You will get a deep state. You will have an intelligence community that has enormous power if that happens.

STEPHANOPOULOS; You don't believe President Obama ordered an illegal wiretap of President Trump?

PAUL: Well, what happens is it's different than that. We target foreigners all the time, but they talk to Americans. They talk to the president. They talk to the national security advisers. And they're supposed to be masked.

But there was something alarming the other day. General Hayden admitted that people all the way down to some of the lowest analysts can unmask who the American is. So, someone unmasked General Flynn and they're a low-level analyst, we need to be looking at their computer and find out if they unmasked that conversation and if they spoke with The New York Times you have got to put those people in jail, because you cannot allow this to happen, or we will have presidents being blackmailed or national security advisers being blackmailed.

This is a huge, huge problem, bigger than anything else that's being discussed is the fact that private conversations from the intelligence community's perspective are being leaked to the press. That's not like a leak that says, oh, the president watches TV in his bathrobe, this is important to national security, you can't let it happen.

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#2. To: A K A Stone, All (#0) (Edited)

Damnit, I wish people like the author here would stop this misleading “clickybait” headline shit:

The headline reads:

Rand Paul: We Know For Sure Obama Administration Spied On Mike Flynn

Oh boy, I read that and went: “hip hip hooray” ….

Then I read the article, knowing all the time that I definitely want to be with Rand Paul on this…and hope the person who released the information on Flynn will be caught, brought to trial and given the maximum sentence.

However….however….as I read through the article, I do find Rand’s statement troubling since I fail to understand it.

Maybe you or someone else can help me fully comprehend what Rand Paul’s unique use of a mixture of contradicting words really meant, when he said:

I think that we know one thing for sure, that the Obama administration did spy on Flynn.
Putting first the word “think” in the sentence, then adding the word “know” and finishing with the word “sure” is the typical damned doubletalk that politicians use as their natural language and it is “confusing as all get out.”

Let’s go to the Dictionary for help:

     Think: “Have a particular opinion, belief, or idea about someone or something.”
      Know: “Be aware of through observation, inquiry, or information.”
      Sure: “Confident in what one thinks or knows; having no doubt that one is right.”
Well, that was no help….no help at all.

So, I have no argument, I am not debating anything, and certainly I am not doing a “libertarian putdown….when I say that i truthfully have just one simple question that seeks an honest answer.

The question is: “What is the Hell was Rand Paul saying?"

IOW, does he “think,” does he “know” or is he “sure”….”that the Obama administration did spy on Flynn?”

… Anyone?

Gatlin  posted on  2017-03-20   22:11:31 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#6. To: Gatlin (#2) (Edited)

I think that we know one thing for sure, that the Obama administration did spy on Flynn.

You're overreading some impromptu remarks in a fluid interview. Rand Paul was not reading a speech or a prepared statement which would have been vetted for ambiguity by his staff.

Rand's intent here, however, was obvious: I think It is my opinion that we know one thing for sure, that the Obama administration did spy on Flynn.

Of course, you could still ask "Who is 'we', senator?". The more accurate way of saying what he intended might have been "I believe we Republicans know with some certainty that Obama did spy on Flynn.".

I think Rand spoke for himself and his sense that many, if not all, his Republican colleagues agreed with him. However, he is not authorized to speak officially for the Senate GOP caucus so he alluded to this sense of considerable unity among the Senate GOP that the Flynn spying case was deliberate political intrigue directed by Obama and/or his minions.

Tooconservative  posted on  2017-03-21   11:45:42 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#7. To: Tooconservative (#6)

I sincerely hope he is right.

It was more my intent look for truth and try to find some evidence in his statement…than to parse his sentence.

I agree with your, “it is my opinion” … interpretation. I was pretty sure it was just that all along.

For, if he had any EVIDENCE, he would have presented it to the DOJ….and the DOJ would probably already have it.

I think he is just “fanning the flame” and if that is what he wants to do, and he has a good reason for doing it….I am trying to understand why.

I don’t know if that is good or bad …

Thanks for your enlightening response ...

You will always remain my literary hero :)

Gatlin  posted on  2017-03-21   11:55:37 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#9. To: Gatlin (#7) (Edited)

I think he is just “fanning the flame” and if that is what he wants to do, and he has a good reason for doing it….I am trying to understand why.

Politics.

This serves multiple purposes politically.

  1. Rand gives Trump some cover, even as he leads Senate opposition to TrumpCare.
  2. Rand primes the pump and feeds a bit more red meat to the Right blogosphere so they have grist for their mills for another day or two.
  3. Rand hits Dems and the establishment by attacking their fundamental character.
  4. Rand gives cover to any number of reactionary attacks on Dems and variuos officials like Clapper and Comey.
  5. Last but certainly not least, it gives Rand some ongoing facetime on FNC & ABCNNBCBS. And Rand is a card-carrying attention whore.

You will always remain my literary hero :)

Holy crap. LOL

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