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Title: *Of Course* Libertarians Are Leading the Charge Against Trump's Authoritarianism
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Reason
URL Source: http://reason.com/blog/2017/02/02/o ... libertarians-are-leading-the-c
Published: Feb 2, 2017
Author: Nick Gillespie
Post Date: 2017-02-15 06:36:19 by Gatlin
Keywords: None
Views: 20948
Comments: 89
The Guardian has pulled together five pieces from conservatives and libertarians who are critical of President Donald Trump's authoritarian tendencies and policies. I'm happy to be represented in the mix (for my commentary about Trump's awful, inhumane, and idiotic ban on refugees and travelers from seven countries tied to terrorism). It's a good mix of people, including some conservative critics (The New York Time's Ross Douthat, National Review's David French, Commentary's Noah Rothman) and Steve Horwitz of Bleeding Heart Libertarians along with yours truly. Here's a snippet from my piece: That's certainly the case with Trump and his orders on sanctuary cities … and on immigration and refugee policy. The laws were not just poorly phrased and timed, they clearly will not work to address the basic issues they ostensibly are meant to ameliorate. As Anthony Fisher noted here earlier today, the US embassy in Iraq has said that Trump's action is a recruitment tool for jihadists, as pro- American Middle Easterners realize they're being hung out to dry. As for keeping America safe from terrorists entering the country as refugees, the fact is the country has an incredibly safe record. Read the whole collection of pieces here. Because no good deed or kind word can go unpunished, I'd like to add a bit of nuance to the way the writer, Jason Wilson, encapsulates his piece. Here's the headline and subhed: Burst your bubble: five conservative articles to read as Trump riles libertarians Yet the confusion is right there in headline: The "conservative articles" are the product of Trump "ril[ing] libertarians"? Wuh? I just don't get the slowness with which people are fully grokking that libertarianism is as distinct from conservativism as it is from progressivism or leftism. I'm not trying to be pedantic or coy here, but there's a reason why libertarians (certainly those at Reason) were intensely critical of George W. Bush's executive branch overreach and Barack Obama's too, while conservatives and liberals generally stayed silent when their guy was doing the power grabbing. And so it makes total sense that libertarians are leading the attacks on Trump's attempts to be a one-man (or at least one-branch) government. Libertarianism is nothing if not the antithesis of authoritarianism. Always has been, always will be. Be sure to check out Reason's attitude toward whoever eventually replaces Trump. The minute he (or she) starts down an authoritarian road, we'll be on the case.
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#1. To: Gatlin (#0)
Libertarians are consistent in their principles regardless of which statist regime is in power. The Trump cultists here (and the Bush-Bots before them) will accept any level of tyranny as long as it's their guy in the Oval Office.
Gary the faggot johnson libertardian murder babies, displace American workers with foreign invaders. If you're a man suck dick. Fuck the libertarians.
murder babies, displace American workers with foreign invaders. If you're a man suck dick. Fuck the libertarians. Sorry that the term "libertarian" triggers you snowflake - maybe you need to go to your safe space and pet a puppy.
lol. Here is what I don't like about libertarians. They think moral and immoral are the same thing. Right is not wrong. You dope cultists are amoral.
That's a lie, but don't let the facts get in the way of your hatred for those who don't subscribe to your simplistic views. If you analyze it I believe the very heart and soul of conservatism is libertarianism. I think conservatism is really a misnomer just as liberalism is a misnomer for the liberals — if we were back in the days of the Revolution, so-called conservatives today would be the Liberals and the liberals would be the Tories. The basis of conservatism is a desire for less government interference or less centralized authority or more individual freedom and this is a pretty general description also of what libertarianism is. Ronald Reagan
The basis of conservatism is a desire for less government interference or less centralized authority or more individual freedom and this is a pretty general description also of what libertarianism is. Ronald Reagan Ronald Reagan was not talking about what you fanatical Paultard assholes call libertarianism. He was talking about the western character of conservatism he shared with other western Republicans. In the open spaces of the west, one comes to believe in a live-and-let-live way of operating.”1. Reagan's record, while generally conservative, is not particularly libertarian.2. Ronald Reagan was NO Libertarian.3 Get that through your thick skull …
The fact remains - what he said about "...the very heart and soul of conservatism is libertarianism" is true. BTW, your obsession with sodomy is just a bit bizarre - do you think you could keep your fantasies to yourself? This place doesn't need another homo like yukon defiling the character of this site.
#70. To: Gatlin, lies most (#64)
r hondope Your fake news team/alternative facts/lies specialists..... ISIS Gatlin, and FireIsland
Top • Page Up • Full Thread • Page Down • Bottom/Latestlibertarians (certainly those at Reason) were intensely critical of George W. Bush's executive branch overreach and Barack Obama's too, while conservatives and liberals generally stayed silent when their guy was doing the power grabbing.
#7. To: Deckard (#1)
Libertarians are consistent in their principles
#12. To: A K A Stone (#7)
Gary the faggot johnson libertardian
#14. To: Deckard (#12)
Sorry that the term "libertarian" triggers you snowflake - maybe you need to go to your safe space and pet a puppy.
#15. To: A K A Stone (#14)
Here is what I don't like about libertarians. They think moral and immoral are the same thing.
#43. To: Deckard, A K A Stone (#15)
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If you analyze it I believe the very heart and soul of conservatism is libertarianism. I think conservatism is really a misnomer just as liberalism is a misnomer for the liberals — if we were back in the days of the Revolution, so- called conservatives today would be the Liberals and the liberals would be the Tories.
When Ronald Reagan said that “If you analyze it I believe the very heart and soul of conservatism is libertarianism,” he didn’t mean today’s dope-and-sodomy libertarianism.1.
You need to quite trying to use Ronald Reagan to support your anarchist cause.
#57. To: Gatlin (#43)
Ronald Reagan was NO Libertarian.
#64. To: Deckard (#57)
The fact remains -
The fact remains that you lied by omission with your deception to cherry pick out certain words from the entire quote by Ronald Reagan when you intentionally left out the following: Now, I can't say that I will agree with all the things that the present group who CALL themselves Libertarians in the sense of a party say, because I think that like in any political movement there are shades, and there are libertarians [like you, Deckard, and hondope] who are almost over at the point of wanting no government at all or anarchy.
It is hard to decide who post the most lies on LF….you or hondope.
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