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Title: Conservative Christians pan 'prosperity gospel' Trump inaugural preacher
Source: Washington Examiner
URL Source: http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/c ... ral-preacher/article/2610564#!
Published: Jan 2, 2017
Author: W. James Antle III
Post Date: 2017-01-02 09:54:21 by Willie Green
Keywords: None
Views: 20649
Comments: 166

Prominent conservative Christians are up in arms about President-elect Trump's choice of a controversial televangelist to deliver one of the prayers at his inauguration on Jan. 20.

Florida's Paula White, age 50, will join Franklin Graham, Cardinal Timothy Dolan, Rabbi Marvin Hier of the Simon Wiesenthal Center and other religious leaders in participating in the Trump inaugural festivities. Unlike the others, White is a proponent of the "prosperity gospel" — the belief that God blesses the faithful with health and wealth — who has come under attack for her theology, marital history and finances.

"Paula White is a trinity denying heretic," wrote conservative Christian commentator Erick Erickson. "She rejects the Council of Nicaea's creed that every Christian accepts. To reject the orthodoxy of the Nicene Creed is to reject Christianity itself."

"Paula White is a charlatan and recognized as a heretic by every orthodox Christian, of whatever tribe," echoed Russell Moore of the Southern Baptist Convention's Ethics and Religious Liberty Commission.

"Paula White has a long history of bankruptcies, failed business ventures, and unsuccessful marriages, which makes her the perfect choice to deliver a prayer on behalf a president-elect who has proudly proclaimed that he's never felt the need to ask forgiveness from God for anything," complained Paula Bolyard in a post titled "Twice Divorced Paula White Praying at Trump Inaugural Exactly What We Expected."

White delivered the benediction on the first day of the Republican National Convention in Cleveland in July, where Trump was nominated for president.

The loudest voices against White are anti-Trump evangelicals who have been warning their coreligionists against the president-elect since the campaign. But many Christians regard the prosperity gospel as incompatible with Scripture and view pastors who promote it as likely to take financial advantage of their flocks.

White has drawn attention for her own lavish lifestyle, as the owner of expensive homes (including an apartment at Trump Towers) and cars. The Tampa Tribune reported that her broadcast business earned between $50,000 to $80,000 a week while a decade ago she and her then-husband were taking compensating ranging from $600,000 to $1.5 million a year.

Erickson argues that her theological problems go beyond the prosperity gospel to rejecting core Christian doctrines agreed upon across denominations, as evidenced by comments she made to worshippers that were captured on video.

"The President of the United States putting a heretic on stage who claims to believe in Jesus, but does not really believe in Jesus, risks leading others astray," he wrote. "Christians have an obligation to speak in defense of their faith. Trump letting this heretic pray in Jesus's name should offend every Bible believing Christian."

"I'd rather a Hindu pray on Inauguration Day and not risk the souls of men, than one whose heresy lures in souls with promises of comfort only to damn them in eternity," Erickson concluded. "At least no one would mistake a Hindu, a Buddhist, or an atheist with being a representative of Christ's kingdom."

In the "What We Believe" section of the website for White's ministry, she explicitly affirms a belief in the trinity.

While much of the organized Christian right supported Ted Cruz or Marco Rubio in the Republican primaries, Trump made peace with these organizations by promising to appoint conservative judges and generally hew to a socially conservative agenda.

Trump won 80 percent of white born-again or evangelical Christians, according to the exit polls. That was better than not only Mitt Romney, a Mormon, in 2012, but also evangelical George W. Bush in 2004.

But the president-elect had natural appeal to prosperity gospel preachers, as his own self-help advice is a more secularized version of that message. Trump's parents attended a church pastored by Norman Vincent Peale, the Methodist turned Reformed author of "The Power of Positive Thinking."

Peale's teachings were a precursor of sorts to the prosperity gospel. The preacher, who died in 1993, performed Trump's wedding to his first wife Ivana. Peale's successor presided over Trump's wedding to his second wife Marla Maples.

The prosperity gospel is also an opening to broaden Trump's appeal across racial lines, as the tradition has made inroads in the black church. White herself has led a megachurch with a predominantly black congregation.

White chairs Trump's evangelical advisory board. She has organized meetings between Trump and other pastors. White is one of six clergy scheduled to pray, speak or read at Trump's inaugural, including some who have disagreed with the president-elect on immigration.

White's second husband was the evangelist Randy White, with whom she partnered in ministry. Her current husband is Jonathan Cain, a member of the rock band Journey.


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#127. To: interpreter (#126)

Jesus commands us to do in Luke 19:27.

Another lie.

A K A Stone  posted on  2017-01-06   14:53:17 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#128. To: A K A Stone (#125)

So you haven't been totally accurate for 25 years.

According to the Bible that makes you a FALSE prophet. Not a prophet at all but a clown.

I have been totally accurate for 25 years, because I always say my predictions will happen that year or within the next year or two. And I have never ever missed that time frame. And yet while you accuse me of me of being a false prophet, no futurist has ever got anything right yet (within 1 or 2 years or a hundred years). So why is it you do not accuse them of being false prophets?

interpreter  posted on  2017-01-06   14:57:03 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#129. To: A K A Stone (#127)

"Jesus commands us to do in Luke 19:27."

Another lie.

Every thing I say is in the Bible in plain English. So that makes you the liar.

interpreter  posted on  2017-01-06   15:00:46 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#130. To: A K A Stone (#124)

You were wrong again. About the Serbs also. You said 2016. You are a liar.

I said in 2016 or within the next year or two. I have never been wrong. And it is impossible for me to be wrong because everything I say is in the Revelation given to us by Jesus and he does not lie.

interpreter  posted on  2017-01-06   15:07:59 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#131. To: A K A Stone (#115)

There are no flaws in the King James Bible.

Show me 3 if you dare.

LOL. There are dozens.

Here are several in just chapter 1 of the Revelation:

In verses 12,13, and 20 the KJV says"candlesticks" whereas the original Greek says "lampstands." "Candlesticks" makes no sense because then there would be nothing (no stand) for the lamps of fire in heaven to sit on when they come down to the earth to give light to the 7 parts of the earth (see ch. 4). Also in verse 20, the KJV says: The seven candlesticks which thou sawest are "the seven churches." Whereas the original Greek says: The seven lampstands which thou sawest are "seven Churches" (without the "the in front). The "the" completely changes the meaning and causes the reader to think the 7 golden lampstands are the seven Asian churches, whereas the previous verse plainly states that the vision is of "things that are" and "things which shall be hereafter" The golden lampstands are clearly the "things which shall be hereafter" and they are NOT the "things that are" because the 7 stars are the things that are. When the translator even adds a little word like "the" it invariably completely changes the meaning of the verse.

I will stop there for now (because I have other things to do), but if you want I can give you many more examples (tomorrow).

interpreter  posted on  2017-01-06   16:56:14 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#132. To: Interpreter, A K A Stone (#112)

you have to buy my book

We have to buy your book to know what God reveals in Revelation?

Every English language version is wrong?

redleghunter  posted on  2017-01-06   17:45:25 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#133. To: Deckard (#113)

No you didn't - the Holy Spirit did.

This is the main problem I have with your posts and your un-Biblical predictions.

It's always "I, I, I and me, me, me". You give all the glory to yourself and none to God.

Like I stated earlier, I have a hard time believing that the Apostles, who were humble in spirit, would even consider rising to your level of braggadocio and self-aggrandizing.

Which is why I believe that your prophesies are false. You even alluded earlier to occultism in divining your "prophecies".

You summarized quite well..Now we have to buy his book...

redleghunter  posted on  2017-01-06   17:47:26 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#134. To: interpreter (#114)

As I have also told you at least 4 or 5 times, I have predicted all of the major events of the last 25 years, whereas not one futurist has ever predicted even one thing correctly. That proves who is the liar, and a false prophet and a clown beyond a shadow of a doubt.

Who is a witness to your 25 years of predictions?

You did predict Trump would win, but several bookies did too. Frankly you were sweating that one out as I recall.

Who is the witness of all your other predictions coming true?

Futurists who make concrete predictions in space and time cease to be futurist. I pointed this out. Harold Camping types were so convinced they cracked the Biblical "code" they sound like you.

Return to Acts 1 with a humble heart. The apostles were clothed with the Holy Spirit in power in Acts 2. They did not sharpen swords but stepped out boldly for the Gospel.

redleghunter  posted on  2017-01-06   17:55:56 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#135. To: interpreter (#119)

My translation of the Revelation does not change anything. It is a literal translation of the Greek word for word. To see what happens to the KJV translators, and the NIV and NAS translators, etc. see Revelation 22:18-19.

Which Greek manuscripts did you use to translate Revelation?

redleghunter  posted on  2017-01-06   18:19:32 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#136. To: redleghunter (#132)

We have to buy your book to know what God reveals in Revelation?

Every English language version is wrong?

Correct, but with the possible exception of Young's literal translation. If you want to know what the Revelation is really saying, you have to read a literal translation of the original Greek. All other translations are faulty and interject the translator's theological view of things, like Christians are not supposed to conquer, and that's the direct opposite of what the Revelation is saying. The whole point of the Revelation is that we are supposed to conquer the earth.

interpreter  posted on  2017-01-07   11:17:18 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#137. To: redleghunter (#135)

Which Greek manuscripts did you use to translate Revelation?

The Received Text of course, which (according to the Greek Orthodox Church at least) is exactly as the way the first century authors of the New Testament wrote it. And I believe that.

interpreter  posted on  2017-01-07   11:25:00 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#138. To: interpreter (#137)

Why did you make the same predictions a decade ago.

You are a fake, a deceifer who is himself deceived.

A false prophet clown.

A K A Stone  posted on  2017-01-07   12:57:13 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#139. To: redleghunter (#134)

Who is a witness to your 25 years of predictions?

The first two years (1992 and 93) I placed my predictions in the Sargent Beachcomber. When that newspaper went defunct, I placed my annual predictions in the Sargent News for a couple years (94 & 95). After that I published my annual predictions in my own publication, The Last Days Chronicle (in 96 & 97) After that I placed my annual predictions on beliefnet for several years where I became pretty famous for predicting 9/11, and for my prayer I posted on b'net after 9/11 occurred, and I made it into B'nets book about 9/11 called From the Ashes. Basically I prayed for the invasion of Afghanistan and for Osama Bin Laden to be found and killed, while very other B'net poster prayed for peace. And my prayer was of course answered while none of the other prayers were. If you guys want to look me up on Beliefnet or in their book, I am known on that site as theinterpreter. But on b'net if you say anything bad about Muslims or atheists, etc. and one of them complains to b'net that they were "offended" your post is automatically deleted. After they deleted one of my annual predictions one year (and I can't remember for sure what year that was) I started putting my annual predictions on christianforums.com But they also have a lot of atheists and Muslims on their site and lots of nit-picky rules and I was constantly reported and kicked off for a while for variuos reasons until I "repented" and promised to never do it again, and the final straw was when I was permanently kicked off for saying BS which they said was a cuss word. And I told them I have never said a cuss word in my life, but like everyone else I sometimes use a substitute term and BS was not a cuss word. And I told them that the next president of the United States frequently uses the "F-bomb" but I can't say BS? And I refused to "repent" for something I didn't do, and to make a long story short, I had to create my own website so I could say whatever I want without being censored. And that's also the reason I like Libertysflame, and why I like facebook (although FB does have a few rules you are supposed to follow), Anyhow, this year my annual predictions are on 3 websites and also in my book. I am now going nation- wide and world-wide with my message and I aim to convert the whole world to Christianity like I did the Brazoria County jail, Lord willing.

interpreter  posted on  2017-01-07   13:15:52 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#140. To: interpreter (#139)

Why do you recycle the same "predictions" for 15 years?

A K A Stone  posted on  2017-01-07   13:18:45 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#141. To: interpreter (#139)

I am now going nation- wide and world-wide with my message and I aim to convert the whole world to Christianity

All by yourself, huh?

“Truth is treason in the empire of lies.” - Ron Paul

Those who most loudly denounce Fake News are typically those most aggressively disseminating it.

Deckard  posted on  2017-01-07   13:29:38 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#142. To: A K A Stone (#138)

Why did you make the same predictions a decade ago.

You are a fake, a deceifer who is himself deceived.

A false prophet clown.

Actually, most of the 7 last plagues began occurring 25 years ago. So many of my predictions are pretty much what I have been saying for 25 years, not 10 years. But each year I say the plagues will wax worse so they are not exactly the same predictions, and I have added a lot of new stuff lately. The point is, all of my predictions always come true, and no other predictor of the future, not Jean Dixon, not Hal Lindsay or anyone else can say that. So it is all the others who are a fake, a deceiver and a clown, and no one can possibly say that about me with a straight face (unless they are a bald-face liar like you and the Red herring).

interpreter  posted on  2017-01-07   13:41:14 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#143. To: Deckard (#141)

"I am now going nation- wide and world-wide with my message and I aim to convert the whole world to Christianity"

All by yourself, huh?

No, not by myself, but I do envision myself as the leader (or one of the leaders) of the Church who will convert the whole world to Christianity which the Revelation says is supposed to happen within the next year or two.

interpreter  posted on  2017-01-07   13:55:08 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#144. To: interpreter (#143)

No, not by myself, but I do envision myself as the leader (or one of the leaders) of the Church who will convert the whole world to Christianity

Did God tell you that?

“Truth is treason in the empire of lies.” - Ron Paul

Those who most loudly denounce Fake News are typically those most aggressively disseminating it.

Deckard  posted on  2017-01-07   13:56:12 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#145. To: A K A Stone (#140)

Why do you recycle the same "predictions" for 15 years?

Like I have already said I have been "recycling" some the same predictions for 25 years now (and not 15 years) because many of the last plagues began occurring 25 years ago. But each year they wax worse, and that's what I have been predicting, so I change them a little bit each year. I am not going to make up new predictions every year just for the sake of changing something because then I would be making false predictions that are not in The Bible and have no chance of coming true. Then you could honestly say I am a false prophet. As Donald Trump says, "That's not going to happen!"

interpreter  posted on  2017-01-07   14:27:42 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#146. To: Deckard (#144)

"No, not by myself, but I do envision myself as the leader (or one of the leaders) of the Church who will convert the whole world to Christianity"

Did God tell you that?

Not exactly, but a prophetess said that when I was born. And my publisher tells me that if that counts.

interpreter  posted on  2017-01-07   14:36:11 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#147. To: interpreter (#146)

Not exactly, but a prophetess said that when I was born.

More evidence of occultism.

“Truth is treason in the empire of lies.” - Ron Paul

Those who most loudly denounce Fake News are typically those most aggressively disseminating it.

Deckard  posted on  2017-01-07   14:40:21 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#148. To: interpreter (#145)

Like I have already said I have been "recycling" some the same predictions for 25 years now

If they came to pass you wouldn't need to make the same prediction again.

You're lame.

A K A Stone  posted on  2017-01-07   16:18:29 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#149. To: A K A Stone (#148)

If they came to pass you wouldn't need to make the same prediction again.

You're lame.

They all come to pass dummy, because the plagues got worse every year, just as I predicted. Some of the plagues, like global warming, will probably wax worse every year for 100 years, so I will be making the same prediction, that global warming will get worse, for a hundred years, not 25 (if I live long enough). 25 years is just a drop in the bucket.

interpreter  posted on  2017-01-08   17:35:12 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#150. To: interpreter (#149)

There is no such thing as global warming dummy.

A K A Stone  posted on  2017-01-08   17:48:19 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#151. To: Deckard (#147) (Edited)

"Not exactly, but a prophetess said that when I was born."

More evidence of occultism.

Why do you keep saying that? She was the most holy, righteous person in Matagorda county and a well respected pastor. Christians like her and me who predict things have nothing to do with "occultism." (And the fact that all of our predictions have come true proves that, and it proves that there is a God). And the starguide you alluded to earlier was given to us by Jesus (in Rev. 1). Do you honestly think Jesus is part of the occult? You are loco en la cabeza.

interpreter  posted on  2017-01-08   17:55:07 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#152. To: A K A Stone (#150) (Edited)

There is no such thing as global warming dummy.

That takes the cake. Denying very obvious scientific facts proves that you are crazy (beyond a shadow of a doubt).

interpreter  posted on  2017-01-08   17:58:23 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#153. To: interpreter (#152)

You tell a lot of lies.

Prove your liberal propaganda of globullshit warming.

You can't because you have the mind of a 12 year old.

A K A Stone  posted on  2017-01-08   20:31:31 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#154. To: A K A Stone (#150)

There is no such thing as global warming dummy.

Not man made global warming, anyway.

I'm the infidel... Allah warned you about. كافر المسلح

GrandIsland  posted on  2017-01-08   21:36:36 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#155. To: GrandIsland (#154)

Take yourself as an example: exclusion. You are so full of hot aire, it takes a ton of cow manure to hold you down.

buckeroo  posted on  2017-01-08   21:51:25 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#156. To: buckeroo (#155)

Take yourself as an example: exclusion. You are so full of hot aire, it takes a ton of cow manure to hold you down.

And you are so full of Stinky Peter Puffer's man goo, your chin and ass looks like the back and front door to a Helmans mayonnaise factory.

I'm the infidel... Allah warned you about. كافر المسلح

GrandIsland  posted on  2017-01-08   22:12:16 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#157. To: GrandIsland (#156)

Since you have so much personal knowledge about sneakypete, you must have sexually abused him, yourself.

buckeroo  posted on  2017-01-08   22:44:14 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#158. To: buckeroo (#157)

sneakypete

It's Stinky Peter Puffer. He puffs the Peter... and so does 40% of his family. He's the Peter Puffer patriarch. lol

I'm the infidel... Allah warned you about. كافر المسلح

GrandIsland  posted on  2017-01-09   8:01:20 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#159. To: A K A Stone (#124)

"As for predicting Montenegro would join NATO in 2016," You were wrong again. About the Serbs also. You said 2016. You are a liar.

In the latest news, the US Senate will vote on Montenegro joining NATO today, Jan 11. So I missed my original prediction by 11 days.

But actually I did not miss it because I always qualify my predictions by saying I am sometimes a year or two ahead of God's timetable. And when I do miss the year, it is usually by a few days or a few weeks or at the most by a few months, and never two years. I only put that is there to cover the very very remote possibility I am off by that much. It has never happened though and I pretty certain it never will happen.

interpreter  posted on  2017-01-11   8:49:27 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#160. To: interpreter (#159)

But actually I did not miss it because I always qualify

I never read any prophets in the Bible that qualified their statements.

You are a legend in your own mind.

A K A Stone  posted on  2017-01-11   10:27:44 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#161. To: A K A Stone (#160)

I never read any prophets in the Bible that qualified their statements.

You are a legend in your own mind.

LOL. That's because they didn't provide any dates whatsoever. Their predictions sometimes came to pass within a year or two, and sometimes hundreds or thousands of years later. But nowadays, because of all the skeptical atheists (and skeptical futurists like you) I have to go farther than any prophet has ever gone before.

interpreter  posted on  2017-01-11   13:31:09 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#162. To: interpreter (#161) (Edited)

I have to go farther than any prophet has ever gone before.

To avoid reality. There is no testing your mentality because you argue your predictions might come true 1,000 years from now.

rlk  posted on  2017-01-11   14:16:32 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#163. To: interpreter (#161)

Except for the fact you said X Y and Z would happen last year.

A K A Stone  posted on  2017-01-11   18:13:48 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#164. To: GrandIsland, Y'all (#158)

To GrandIsland (#156) ------- Since you have so much personal knowledge about sneakypete, you must have sexually abused him, yourself. ----- buckeroo

It's Stinky Peter Puffer. He puffs the Peter... and so does 40% of his family. He's the Peter Puffer patriarch. lol ----- GrandIsland

The laughs on grandi, -- like most closet copdreaming/homos, he makes it obvious that he's obsessed with sucking up.

Damn sham that sneakypete, one of the few real good guys on LF, no longer posts here.

tpaine  posted on  2017-01-11   20:10:27 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#165. To: tpaine (#164)

On January 1 a number of new laws will go into effect and many of them are quite alarming. For example, SB 277 which will require most children to obtain full vaccination by July so they can attend school in September. This is controversial seeing as to how many of these vaccinations have the potential of causing more harm than good. However, in light of the fact that California embraces illegal aliens from Mexico and other third world nations that carry numerous diseases it probably makes sense. Like I said, California USED to be a fantastic state.

Another new law that catches my eye is SB 707 which bans concealed firearms from college campuses and K-12 school grounds. This makes sense to liberals only. They think that criminals will see this new law and, in order to not break this law will not enter schools. In reality it leaves our children completely unprotected sitting ducks. I guess teachers and administration can shoot spit-wads at the left-wing wackos that want to shoot up schools.

Still another new law has been passed which is absolutely ridiculous for many reasons. SB 172 which dictates that High school seniors will receive their diploma whether or not they pass or even take an exit exam; the law also applies retroactively to students who have graduated since 2004. This one is liberalism at it’s finest.

At face value I suppose it seems harmless enough but let’s take a look at what’s really wrong with this liberal picture.

My esteemed colleague, Michele Hickford over at Allen B.West does a great job of breaking it down.

As we’ve discussed here many times, if progressives want to ensure “equality of outcomes” for all, why even bother having sporting events? Why is California hosting the Super Bowl on February 7th? What difference does it make who wins? Everyone is a winner.

How can businesses properly evaluate prospective employees when “high school diploma” is required if it is essentially meaningless? Who does this actually help? Certainly not the students who “graduated” without mastering any basic skills.

But you can bet there will be a ginormous outcry when companies looking for entry-level employees start requiring application exams to determine if candidates can actually read and write beyond the 8th grade level.

So why stop at high school diplomas? Who needs a college degree? Why require physicians, accountants and lawyers to take exams to prove their knowledge? Or is California simply admitting its public education system is so worthless that a diploma from one of its high schools is as well?

She nails it there. This is completely absurd and serves no purpose other than to make underachievers feel equal. Reality says otherwise. But liberals don’t live in reality. They live in some distorted utopia that is virtually non-existent.

Piece by piece our nation is being dismantled by the sickness of ‘progressive’ liberalism. The United States didn’t become the most powerful nation in the world by being weak and passive. We demanded the best of the best. From our manufactured goods to our military we produced the best. Strength through superiority. But these days being superior is somehow offensive to liberals.

Our country is in a severe state of moral decline. Here is another example.

AB 329 makes participation in sex education courses mandatory for students unless parents opt-out, would also inculcate the teaching of a fluid gender identity.

Fluid gender identity… I guess that this addresses men that think they are really women and vice-versa. I can’t help but think of the lyrics to the “All In The Family’ television series. Archie Bunker really knew what he was talking about lol.

One last law that was passed AB 1014 which will permit family members to obtain a restraining order to keep relatives who might commit gun violence from owning a gun.

How's libtarded KOOKIFONIA working out for you?

Lmao.

I'm the infidel... Allah warned you about. كافر المسلح

GrandIsland  posted on  2017-01-11   20:49:03 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#166. To: GrandIsland (#165)

How's libtarded KOOKIFONIA working out for you?

Millons of conservative Californians, like me, are working against a liberal majority.

Which has little to do with sick bastards, like you, infesting LF. --- How is being a clown working out for you?

tpaine  posted on  2017-01-12   13:16:00 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


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