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Title: Conservative Christians pan 'prosperity gospel' Trump inaugural preacher
Source: Washington Examiner
URL Source: http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/c ... ral-preacher/article/2610564#!
Published: Jan 2, 2017
Author: W. James Antle III
Post Date: 2017-01-02 09:54:21 by Willie Green
Keywords: None
Views: 19815
Comments: 166

Prominent conservative Christians are up in arms about President-elect Trump's choice of a controversial televangelist to deliver one of the prayers at his inauguration on Jan. 20.

Florida's Paula White, age 50, will join Franklin Graham, Cardinal Timothy Dolan, Rabbi Marvin Hier of the Simon Wiesenthal Center and other religious leaders in participating in the Trump inaugural festivities. Unlike the others, White is a proponent of the "prosperity gospel" — the belief that God blesses the faithful with health and wealth — who has come under attack for her theology, marital history and finances.

"Paula White is a trinity denying heretic," wrote conservative Christian commentator Erick Erickson. "She rejects the Council of Nicaea's creed that every Christian accepts. To reject the orthodoxy of the Nicene Creed is to reject Christianity itself."

"Paula White is a charlatan and recognized as a heretic by every orthodox Christian, of whatever tribe," echoed Russell Moore of the Southern Baptist Convention's Ethics and Religious Liberty Commission.

"Paula White has a long history of bankruptcies, failed business ventures, and unsuccessful marriages, which makes her the perfect choice to deliver a prayer on behalf a president-elect who has proudly proclaimed that he's never felt the need to ask forgiveness from God for anything," complained Paula Bolyard in a post titled "Twice Divorced Paula White Praying at Trump Inaugural Exactly What We Expected."

White delivered the benediction on the first day of the Republican National Convention in Cleveland in July, where Trump was nominated for president.

The loudest voices against White are anti-Trump evangelicals who have been warning their coreligionists against the president-elect since the campaign. But many Christians regard the prosperity gospel as incompatible with Scripture and view pastors who promote it as likely to take financial advantage of their flocks.

White has drawn attention for her own lavish lifestyle, as the owner of expensive homes (including an apartment at Trump Towers) and cars. The Tampa Tribune reported that her broadcast business earned between $50,000 to $80,000 a week while a decade ago she and her then-husband were taking compensating ranging from $600,000 to $1.5 million a year.

Erickson argues that her theological problems go beyond the prosperity gospel to rejecting core Christian doctrines agreed upon across denominations, as evidenced by comments she made to worshippers that were captured on video.

"The President of the United States putting a heretic on stage who claims to believe in Jesus, but does not really believe in Jesus, risks leading others astray," he wrote. "Christians have an obligation to speak in defense of their faith. Trump letting this heretic pray in Jesus's name should offend every Bible believing Christian."

"I'd rather a Hindu pray on Inauguration Day and not risk the souls of men, than one whose heresy lures in souls with promises of comfort only to damn them in eternity," Erickson concluded. "At least no one would mistake a Hindu, a Buddhist, or an atheist with being a representative of Christ's kingdom."

In the "What We Believe" section of the website for White's ministry, she explicitly affirms a belief in the trinity.

While much of the organized Christian right supported Ted Cruz or Marco Rubio in the Republican primaries, Trump made peace with these organizations by promising to appoint conservative judges and generally hew to a socially conservative agenda.

Trump won 80 percent of white born-again or evangelical Christians, according to the exit polls. That was better than not only Mitt Romney, a Mormon, in 2012, but also evangelical George W. Bush in 2004.

But the president-elect had natural appeal to prosperity gospel preachers, as his own self-help advice is a more secularized version of that message. Trump's parents attended a church pastored by Norman Vincent Peale, the Methodist turned Reformed author of "The Power of Positive Thinking."

Peale's teachings were a precursor of sorts to the prosperity gospel. The preacher, who died in 1993, performed Trump's wedding to his first wife Ivana. Peale's successor presided over Trump's wedding to his second wife Marla Maples.

The prosperity gospel is also an opening to broaden Trump's appeal across racial lines, as the tradition has made inroads in the black church. White herself has led a megachurch with a predominantly black congregation.

White chairs Trump's evangelical advisory board. She has organized meetings between Trump and other pastors. White is one of six clergy scheduled to pray, speak or read at Trump's inaugural, including some who have disagreed with the president-elect on immigration.

White's second husband was the evangelist Randy White, with whom she partnered in ministry. Her current husband is Jonathan Cain, a member of the rock band Journey.


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#1. To: Willie Green (#0)

Job

Roscoe  posted on  2017-01-02   10:04:35 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#2. To: Willie Green (#0)

t many Christians regard the prosperity gospel as incompatible with Scripture

Luke 6:36-42: Be merciful, even as your Father is merciful. “Judge not, and you will not be judged; condemn not, and you will not be condemned; forgive, and you will be forgiven; give, and it will be given to you. Good measure, pressed down, shaken together, running over, will be put into your lap. For with the measure you use it will be measured back to you.” He also told them a parable: “Can a blind man lead a blind man? Will they not both fall into a pit? A disciple is not above his teacher, but everyone when he is fully trained will be like his teacher. Why do you see the speck that is in your brother’s eye, but do not notice the log that is in your own eye? How can you say to your brother, ‘Brother, let me take out the speck that is in your eye,’ when you yourself do not see the log that is in your own eye? You hypocrite, first take the log out of your own eye, and then you will see clearly to take out the speck that is in your brother’s eye.

I don't think women are supposed to be preachers. But there are promises in the Bible that deal with prosperity.

A K A Stone  posted on  2017-01-02   10:54:19 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#3. To: Willie Green (#0)

evangelical George W. Bush in 2004

Bush was an evangelical moron.

rlk  posted on  2017-01-02   15:42:10 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#4. To: A K A Stone (#2)

I don't think women are supposed to be preachers.

I don't either. "Give not thy soul to woman lest she trample upon thy strength" is a a good principle to live by.

rlk  posted on  2017-01-02   15:51:46 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#5. To: rlk, Jeremiah Wright, heretics, Brothers and Sisters in Satan (#4)

“You think I’m overreacting, a sore loser, or some such. And you know damn well that if Jeremiah Wright had said a prayer at Barack Obama’s inauguration you’d be publicly outraged and calling for Obama to reconsider the invitation. Jeremiah Wright’s black liberation theology and Paula White’s prosperity gospel are two sides of the same heretical coin.

“By being outraged about one and not the other, and admit it that you would be and you were upset by Barack Obama attending Wright’s church, you have reduced Jesus Christ to partisan team sport.”

www.inquisitr.com/3842049...-inauguration-invocation/

"Dominion" @: .30

Dominionists, like Rafael and Ted Cruz. They seem to be on the verge of embracing Mohammad as a co-equal "son of God".

The D&R Party is a suicide cult!

Hondo68  posted on  2017-01-02   17:00:09 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#6. To: Willie Green (#0)

Joel Osteen (in Houston) and Paula White (in Florida) are two of the biggest heretics there are because they say God wants all Christians to be wealthy (like them). Jesus said exactly the opposite. He said it is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for a rich Christian to enter heaven. Joel Osteen's dad was a very good preacher, but he is now rolling over in the grave because of what his son is preaching.

interpreter  posted on  2017-01-03   15:07:59 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#7. To: interpreter (#6)

Joel Osteen's dad was a very good preacher, but he is now rolling over in the grave because of what his son is preaching.

I tend to agree. I remember his dad. I liked him.

A K A Stone  posted on  2017-01-03   15:10:18 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#8. To: interpreter (#6)

A K A Stone  posted on  2017-01-03   15:13:23 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#9. To: interpreter (#6)

Joel Osteen (in Houston) and Paula White (in Florida) are two of the biggest heretics there are because they say God wants all Christians to be wealthy (like them). Jesus said exactly the opposite.

On this I agree with you.

“Truth is treason in the empire of lies.” - Ron Paul

Those who most loudly denounce Fake News are typically those most aggressively disseminating it.

Deckard  posted on  2017-01-03   15:15:40 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#10. To: hondo68 (#5) (Edited)

Dominionists, like Rafael and Ted Cruz. They seem to be on the verge of embracing Mohammad as a co-equal "son of God".

I don't know where you get that weird idea. To be a dominionist means you believe Christians and Christian nations are destined to have dominion over all the earth (except Israel which has been given to the jews) just as prophesied over 3000 years ago in Genesis. It is fast coming to pass. I predict that, very soon, Muslims (and atheists, et al) wont have dominion over didily squat.

interpreter  posted on  2017-01-03   15:52:59 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#11. To: interpreter (#10)

Eventually there will be a one-world religion as prophesied in the Bible.

The religions will all unite under the banner of the anti-christ.

'One World Religion' Metaphysical Event Gathers Muslims, Jews and Christians to Pray

“Truth is treason in the empire of lies.” - Ron Paul

Those who most loudly denounce Fake News are typically those most aggressively disseminating it.

Deckard  posted on  2017-01-03   16:08:23 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#12. To: Deckard (#11) (Edited)

Eventually there will be a one-world religion as prophesied in the Bible.

The religions will all unite under the banner of the anti-christ.

'One World Religion' Metaphysical Event Gathers Muslims, Jews and Christians to Pray

You are so full of it. There is only one antichrist and he was Hitler. His Third Reich (of Rome) is the third six of the 666 trilogy. The only religion that will rule all the world is Christianity. And I predict it will happen very, very soon.

interpreter  posted on  2017-01-03   16:20:07 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#13. To: A K A Stone (#8)

Very timely photo. Although I was pretty young, I remember my parents listening to John Osteen every day, religiously. His sister and her husband pastored a church in my home town (Bay City).

interpreter  posted on  2017-01-03   16:33:51 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#14. To: interpreter (#12)

There is only one antichrist and he was Hitler. His Third Reich (of Rome) is the third six of the 666 trilogy.

You got to be kidding me! When did Hitler rule the entire world?

When did the entire world take the Mark of the Beast?

“Truth is treason in the empire of lies.” - Ron Paul

Those who most loudly denounce Fake News are typically those most aggressively disseminating it.

Deckard  posted on  2017-01-03   18:22:49 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#15. To: Deckard (#14) (Edited)

You got to be kidding me! When did Hitler rule the entire world?

When did the entire world take the Mark of the Beast?

It was his plan to rule the whole world, and to not let anyone buy or sell except for his soldiers and officials wearing the swastika on their headgear, and civilians carrying a permit in their hand stamped with the swastika. For the sake of the elect, those days were cut short.

interpreter  posted on  2017-01-03   22:44:03 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#16. To: interpreter (#15)

You are full of shit. You are a deceiver.

11 And I beheld another beast coming up out of the earth; and he had two horns like a lamb, and he spake as a dragon.

12 And he exerciseth all the power of the first beast before him, and causeth the earth and them which dwell therein to worship the first beast, whose deadly wound was healed.

13 And he doeth great wonders, so that he maketh fire come down from heaven on the earth in the sight of men,

14 And deceiveth them that dwell on the earth by the means of those miracles which he had power to do in the sight of the beast; saying to them that dwell on the earth, that they should make an image to the beast, which had the wound by a sword, and did live.

15 And he had power to give life unto the image of the beast, that the image of the beast should both speak, and cause that as many as would not worship the image of the beast should be killed.

16 And he causeth all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a mark in their right hand, or in their foreheads:

17 And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name.

18 Here is wisdom. Let him that hath understanding count the number of the beast: for it is the number of a man; and his number is Six hundred threescore and six.

A K A Stone  posted on  2017-01-03   23:06:11 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#17. To: A K A Stone (#16) (Edited)

The two-horned Lamb, like many things in the Revelation, can be interpreted two ways. Both are equally correct. In the Revelation, a lamb always represents Jesus and/or His Church. The two horns of the Lamb either represent the two Churches that supported Hitler (the Lutheran and Roman Catholic Churches) or the two Popes who supported Hitler (Popes Pius XI and XII). They provided Hitler with his power (i.e, the troops who killed Hitler's enemies with miraculous planes and bombs, and with miraculous subs, tanks, etc. And they caused the world to worship Hitler, and the image he worshipped, that is, the Aryan race.

The Third Reich, or third reign of pagan Rome the 6th head of Satan, was one man, Hitler, who arose after the first two heads of Rome were killed off.

You and all futurists are the deceivers. Jesus said over and over and over again that He would return quickly, and with speed. Yet you guys somehow construe that to mean 2000 years later. That's calling Jesus a liar. I'm going with the history books, which say Jesus returned with a kingdom in 312 AD. The 5 horsemen can be thought of as 5 dispensations of the second coming. We are the 4th horseman to rule the earth for Jesus and kill His enemies.

interpreter  posted on  2017-01-03   23:47:07 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#18. To: interpreter (#17)

Hitler never ruled over all nations tongues kindreds. There was never a worldwide mark of the beast system.

You're stupid or a liar.

A K A Stone  posted on  2017-01-03   23:49:52 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#19. To: interpreter (#17)

There hasn't been a thousand years of peace either.

You said only one antichrist. That isn't true. Antichrist is a spirit and the Bible says anyone who rejects christ is antichrist.

It

A K A Stone  posted on  2017-01-03   23:51:48 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#20. To: A K A Stone (#19)

There hasn't been a thousand years of peace either.

You said only one antichrist. That isn't true. Antichrist is a spirit and the Bible says anyone who rejects christ is antichrist.

First come the 7 last plagues which we are experiencing now (global warming, Ar Mageddon, etc.) and then comes the 1000 years of peace. It is insane to say that everything in the Revelation will be cram-packed into 7 years. That is a faulty interpretation of Daniel's 70th week.

And I'm talking about THE antichrist, and the only one mentioned in the Revelation. It is true that in John's epistles he says there are many antichrists who deny that Jesus is God, but that has nothing to do with the antichrist of the Revelation who is a lot worse.

interpreter  posted on  2017-01-04   0:31:24 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#21. To: interpreter (#20)

And I'm talking about THE antichrist, and the only one mentioned in the Revelation.

Where specifically is "the antichrist" mentioned?

There is a "beast" who has the spirit of antichrist. But there are many antichrists.

You don't know anything. You're just a troll looking for laughs.

A K A Stone  posted on  2017-01-04   0:36:31 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#22. To: hondo68 (#5)

She appears to be a carnival barker with her 1-800 number. Plus, her hands are bigger than Donald's.

Give money, buy your way to heaven.

Fred Mertz  posted on  2017-01-04   0:46:34 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#23. To: A K A Stone (#18)

Hitler never ruled over all nations tongues kindreds. There was never a worldwide mark of the beast system.

I never said he did any of that. I said he planned to. If you don't believe that, read Hitler's Mein Kampf. And Jesus plainly said those days would be cut short for the sake of the elect. It was the US and our allies who cut those days short beginning with D-Day (the 6th trumpet prophecy) when we unleashed 200 million horses against Hitler (i.e, horses under the hood). The riders of the horses had breastplates of red, white and blue as prophesied. (Sulfur is white when hot).

interpreter  posted on  2017-01-04   0:49:28 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#24. To: A K A Stone (#21)

Where specifically is "the antichrist" mentioned?

There is a "beast" who has the spirit of antichrist. But there are many antichrists.

You don't know anything. You're just a troll looking for laughs.

Your argument is so stupid. Where is another antichrist mentioned (in the Revelation), or even someone else with the spirit of the antichrist?

interpreter  posted on  2017-01-04   0:56:58 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#25. To: rlk (#3)

evangelical George W. Bush in 2004 Bush was an evangelical moron.

He is not Evangelical. He's a Methodist.

The article left out quite a few facts and got a few wrong. Evangelicals actually voted 79% for Trump but 81% for Romney.

It was what is called the notional Christian vote which put Trump over the top:

Notional Christians broke for Trump

redleghunter  posted on  2017-01-04   1:41:44 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#26. To: interpreter (#23)

And Jesus plainly said those days would be cut short for the sake of the elect.

That doesn't mean things that he said would happen will not happen.

You are confused and lost in chaotic thinking.

A K A Stone  posted on  2017-01-04   6:50:59 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#27. To: interpreter (#24)

Your argument is so stupid. Where is another antichrist mentioned (in the Revelation), or even someone else with the spirit of the antichrist?

It never says the antichrist will do anything. Antichrist is mentioned I think one time in the bible. It is spirit of antichrist not an individual.

Revelation mentions a "beast" not the antichrist.

A K A Stone  posted on  2017-01-04   6:52:30 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#28. To: A K A Stone (#27)

It never says the antichrist will do anything. Antichrist is mentioned I think one time in the bible. It is spirit of antichrist not an individual.

Revelation mentions a "beast" not the antichrist.

You are wrong on every count. Hitler is the 8th (or 9th) head of the beast, and the third head # 6. That head is commonly called the antichrist (by everyone except you). And the Revelation very plainly says it is a man. If you want to say that head of Satan (i.e., Hitler) had the "spirit of antichrist" that is OK, but he is definitely a man. You make the most ridiculous arguments I have ever heard. All of the heads of Satan (the beast) are men possessed by Satan. Do you actually believe an animal is going to rule the earth? You are so absurd.

interpreter  posted on  2017-01-04   7:34:05 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#29. To: A K A Stone (#26)

"And Jesus plainly said those days would be cut short for the sake of the elect."

That doesn't mean things that he said would happen will not happen.

Well, the Revelation is not translated very good in most English Bibles. Jesus is saying not everything the antichrist set out to do will happen. The Revelation says the great tribulation (aka WW II) will be cut short after 3 1/2 years. That is precisely how long WW II lasted (when calculated on the sacred Hebrew calendar used in all Bible prophesies). That is, it lasted precisely 1260 days (from Dec. 7, 1941 when the US entered the war until the death of Hitler on April 30, 1945. (A war is not a world war until the US enters it).

interpreter  posted on  2017-01-04   8:13:09 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#30. To: interpreter (#28)

Chapter and verse moron where it says "the antichrist" It doesn't. You are a liar.

A K A Stone  posted on  2017-01-04   10:39:43 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#31. To: interpreter (#29)

Well, the Revelation is not translated very good in most English Bibles.

Now you are saying God is a liar when he said he would provide his word for all tongues.

You represent satan.

A K A Stone  posted on  2017-01-04   10:40:31 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#32. To: A K A Stone (#30) (Edited)

Chapter and verse moron where it says "the antichrist" It doesn't. You are a liar.

Then so are the millions of other Christians who call the 8th head of Satan the antichrist. Why are you still trying to beat a dead horse to death? Whether you say Hitler was the antichrist or not, he is still the most Satan-possessed, anti-Christian, and anti-Jew human to ever appear on earth. And for futurists to say that someone worse than him is coming is ridiculous. It's impossible. And Hitler fulfilled every single prophecy about the 8th head of the Satanic beast. For example, its ten horns represent the ten nations aligned with Hitler. You cannot name one prophecy about the 8th head of Satan and/or the great tribulation that was not fulfilled in WW II.

interpreter  posted on  2017-01-04   12:47:54 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#33. To: A K A Stone (#31)

Now you are saying God is a liar when he said he would provide his word for all tongues.

When it comes to the Revelation, it is the English translators who are the liars. To see what will happen to them, read Rev 21:18-19. If you want to read the correct translation of the Revelation, you have to buy my book. And hopefully it will someday be translated correctly into all tongues. Hasn't happened yet though.

interpreter  posted on  2017-01-04   12:57:50 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#34. To: interpreter, A K A Stone (#32)

Whether you say Hitler was the antichrist or not, he is still the most Satan-possessed human to ever appear on earth.

Seriously?

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“Truth is treason in the empire of lies.” - Ron Paul

Those who most loudly denounce Fake News are typically those most aggressively disseminating it.

Deckard  posted on  2017-01-04   12:59:28 ET  (1 image) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#35. To: Deckard (#34) (Edited)

I don't know where you got your stupid chart from, but Hitler killed way more than 17 million. I think it's closer to 30 to 40 million. Altogether 50 million people died in WW II. And you should note that I corrected my statement, and as far as I know, Mao didn't kill hardly any Christians or Jews, so he doesn't count (i.e, most of the people he killed don't count because God is not concerned at all about Buddhists). As for Stalin, he is the great whore who also killed a lot of Christians and Jews, and was briefly aligned with Hitler the antichrist as prophesied. He runs a close second to Hitler, I'll give you that. They are pretty much neck and neck, and to try to say which one is worse is a moot point. They were both evil, very evil.

interpreter  posted on  2017-01-04   13:21:15 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#36. To: redleghunter (#25)

evangelical George W. Bush in 2004 Bush was an evangelical moron.

He is not Evangelical. He's a Methodist.

He is, and always has been, a childish asshole.

rlk  posted on  2017-01-04   13:59:03 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#37. To: interpreter (#35)

As for Stalin, he is the great whore who also killed a lot of Christians and Jews, and was briefly aligned with Hitler the antichrist as prophesied. He runs a close second to Hitler, I'll give you that.

The numbers don't lie.

Hitler barely eked out third place, 2 million more than Leopold II.

And now you are claiming that the Hitler-Stalin alliance was "prophesied"

By you of course - no one else has the "inside track" like you do, right? You're the greatest "prophet" who ever lived!!!

Get over yourself man!

“Truth is treason in the empire of lies.” - Ron Paul

Those who most loudly denounce Fake News are typically those most aggressively disseminating it.

Deckard  posted on  2017-01-04   14:11:44 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#38. To: Deckard (#37) (Edited)

The numbers don't lie.

Hitler barely eked out third place, 2 million more than Leopold II.

And now you are claiming that the Hitler-Stalin alliance was "prophesied"

By you of course - no one else has the "inside track" like you do, right? You're the greatest "prophet" who ever lived!!!

Get over yourself man!

Like I said, the numbers in the chart are a lie. Hitler killed way more than 17 million. And Mao does not count because the people he killed were not Christians and Jews.

And Stalin and/or Moscow are indeed the prophesied great whore that sits on many waters (5 seas via the Moscow canal) and on 7 hills, and was drunk with the blood of the saints. And during WW II she ruled over many "peoples, multitudes, nations and tongues." At first she is seen riding the beast with ten horns (Hitler and the 10 nations aligned with him) which "carried" her for a while before turning on her, and hating her and making her desolate. And it indeed happened exactly as prophesied.

Hitler and Stalin are pretty much neck and neck when it comes to killing Christians and Jews and no one else comes close.

Everything I say I can prove, because it is in the history books as plain as day (and also in the Bible as plain as day).

Everything you futurists say is utterly ridiculous and completely absurd. You are the reason the world laughs at Christians because you are always predicting crazy stuff that has never ever come true. I aim to put a stop to all the craziness and make Christianity respected again.

interpreter  posted on  2017-01-04   15:37:25 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#39. To: interpreter (#38)

And Stalin and/or Moscow are indeed the prophesied great whore that sits on many waters (5 seas via the Moscow canal) and on 7 hills, and was drunk with the blood of the saints.

The seven hills you refer to are the seven hills on which Rome stands.

“Truth is treason in the empire of lies.” - Ron Paul

Those who most loudly denounce Fake News are typically those most aggressively disseminating it.

Deckard  posted on  2017-01-04   15:45:43 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#40. To: Deckard (#39)

The seven hills you refer to are the seven hills on which Rome stands.

There you go again spouting absurd futurist nonsense. There are many cities that sit on 7 hills including Moscow. And Rome only sits on one sea, for God's sake. Only Moscow sits on many seas, i.e., 5 seas, and no other city even comes close to that feat.

interpreter  posted on  2017-01-04   16:04:11 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#41. To: rlk (#36) (Edited)

"evangelical George W. Bush in 2004 Bush was an evangelical moron." He is not Evangelical. He's a Methodist."

He is, and always has been, a childish asshole.

Whether you call him Methodist or evangelical, the Revelation has nothing but good things to say about George W Bush because he killed the SOB who dried up the Euphrates where human life began in order to start the Battle of Ar Mageddon and get back at George Bush Sr and his son. Anyone who messes with a Christian nation must be killed Jesus says. And George Bush Jr knows the Bible very well and he correctly identified the Axis of Evil east of the Euphrates that is to start (has started) the Battle of Ar Mageddon. He is definitely not a moron, and not childish. He is very smart and knows his Bible, and was only obeying Jesus.

And the Battle of Ar Mageddon is actually good, because it will result in all the bad Muslims all over the earth being killed off just as Saddam Hussein was. Then there will be peace for a thousand years.

interpreter  posted on  2017-01-04   16:33:50 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#42. To: A K A Stone, interpreter (#30)

Chapter and verse moron where it says "the antichrist" It doesn't. You are a liar.

The "man of sin" was used by Paul. Which indeed some theologians in antiquity and today short hand for the masses as "the anti-christ".

Here's how Paul explained it to the Thessalonians:

2 Thessalonians 2: KJV

2 Now we beseech you, brethren, by the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, and by our gathering together unto him,

2 That ye be not soon shaken in mind, or be troubled, neither by spirit, nor by word, nor by letter as from us, as that the day of Christ is at hand.

3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;

4 Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.

5 Remember ye not, that, when I was yet with you, I told you these things?

6 And now ye know what withholdeth that he might be revealed in his time.

7 For the mystery of iniquity doth already work: only he who now letteth will let, until he be taken out of the way.

8 And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming:

9 Even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders,

10 And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved.

11 And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:

12 That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness.

Which already pointed out by you the beast in Revelation fits the "man of sin" description of Paul.

I will note a great falling away from the faith precedes the man of sin. We seem headed in that direction and why these prophecies are yet future. I tend to agree AKA the man of sin or beast will have worldwide influence and power as the Scriptures indicate.

What meaning to Chinese in WW2 was Hitler? They were too busy and shocked watching Tojos minions impale children on spears.

Here's what Irenaeus a second century Christian bishop and theologian wrote:

Against Heresies Book V chapter 30:

Moreover, another danger, by no means trifling, shall overtake those who falsely presume that they know the name of Antichrist. For if these men assume one [number], when this [Antichrist] shall come having another, they will be easily led away by him, as supposing him not to be the expected one, who must be guarded against.

2. These men, therefore, ought to learn [what really is the state of the case], and go back to the true number of the name, that they be not reckoned among false prophets. But, knowing the sure number declared by Scripture, that is, six hundred sixty and six, let them await, in the first place, the division of the kingdom into ten; then, in the next place, when these kings are reigning, and beginning to set their affairs in order, and advance their kingdom, [let them learn] to acknowledge that he who shall come claiming the kingdom for himself, and shall terrify those men of whom we have been speaking, having a name containing the aforesaid number, is truly the abomination of desolation. ...

3. It is therefore more certain, and less hazardous, to await the fulfillment of the prophecy, than to be making surmises, and casting about for any names that may present themselves, inasmuch as many names can be found possessing the number mentioned; and the same question will, after all, remain unsolved. For if there are many names found possessing this number, it will be asked which among them shall the coming man bear. It is not through a want of names containing the number of that name that I say this, but on account of the fear of God, and zeal for the truth: for the name Evanthas (EUAN QAS) contains the required number, but I make no allegation regarding it. Then also Lateinos (LATEINOS) has the number six hundred and sixty-six; and it is a very probable [solution], this being the name of the last kingdom [of the four seen by Daniel]. For the Latins are they who at present bear rule: ...

I advise caution as Irenaeus does.

Jesus Christ returned as conquering King in AD 312? No serious historian, theologian or patrician believed or believes this. The Nicene creed indicates a future second Advent of Jesus Christ. Most of the ancient churches remain pious on the details, however Revelation 19 is quite descriptive. Jesus will come again as Judge and will deal directly with the nations and directly with the beast and false prophet.

Revelation 19:

19 And after these things I heard a great voice of much people in heaven, saying, Alleluia; Salvation, and glory, and honour, and power, unto the Lord our God:

2 For true and righteous are his judgments: for he hath judged the great whore, which did corrupt the earth with her fornication, and hath avenged the blood of his servants at her hand.

3 And again they said, Alleluia And her smoke rose up for ever and ever.

4 And the four and twenty elders and the four beasts fell down and worshipped God that sat on the throne, saying, Amen; Alleluia.

5 And a voice came out of the throne, saying, Praise our God, all ye his servants, and ye that fear him, both small and great.

6 And I heard as it were the voice of a great multitude, and as the voice of many waters, and as the voice of mighty thunderings, saying, Alleluia: for the Lord God omnipotent reigneth.

7 Let us be glad and rejoice, and give honour to him: for the marriage of the Lamb is come, and his wife hath made herself ready.

8 And to her was granted that she should be arrayed in fine linen, clean and white: for the fine linen is the righteousness of saints.

9 And he saith unto me, Write, Blessed are they which are called unto the marriage supper of the Lamb. And he saith unto me, These are the true sayings of God.

10 And I fell at his feet to worship him. And he said unto me, See thou do it not: I am thy fellowservant, and of thy brethren that have the testimony of Jesus: worship God: for the testimony of Jesus is the spirit of prophecy.

11 And I saw heaven opened, and behold a white horse; and he that sat upon him was called Faithful and True, and in righteousness he doth judge and make war.

12 His eyes were as a flame of fire, and on his head were many crowns; and he had a name written, that no man knew, but he himself.

13 And he was clothed with a vesture dipped in blood: and his name is called The Word of God.

14 And the armies which were in heaven followed him upon white horses, clothed in fine linen, white and clean.

15 And out of his mouth goeth a sharp sword, that with it he should smite the nations: and he shall rule them with a rod of iron: and he treadeth the winepress of the fierceness and wrath of Almighty God.

16 And he hath on his vesture and on his thigh a name written, King Of Kings, And Lord Of Lords.

17 And I saw an angel standing in the sun; and he cried with a loud voice, saying to all the fowls that fly in the midst of heaven, Come and gather yourselves together unto the supper of the great God;

18 That ye may eat the flesh of kings, and the flesh of captains, and the flesh of mighty men, and the flesh of horses, and of them that sit on them, and the flesh of all men, both free and bond, both small and great.

19 And I saw the beast, and the kings of the earth, and their armies, gathered together to make war against him that sat on the horse, and against his army.

20 And the beast was taken, and with him the false prophet that wrought miracles before him, with which he deceived them that had received the mark of the beast, and them that worshipped his image. These both were cast alive into a lake of fire burning with brimstone.

21 And the remnant were slain with the sword of him that sat upon the horse, which sword proceeded out of his mouth: and all the fowls were filled with their flesh.

The thought or implication, Christians living in the world but not of it, will somehow take the world positions of power, use armies to defeat Islam and usher in worldwide peace is absent from the Bible. These are machinations of man and a heretical following of Dominionism.

Christians continue to be tortured, imprisoned and murdered throughout the world, more are falling away from the Faith than coming to it, and Israel as a political and geographic power is a reality.

The man of sin may be revealed soon, or 1000 years from now.

What's important? Is each one of us personally prepared for the Second Coming of Jesus Christ.

Are you personally prepared to meet Him when you take your last breath?

Will you be greeted as a friend or adversary?

This is what's important for Christians to focus on...The Great Commission to preach His Gospel to the lost and seeking.

redleghunter  posted on  2017-01-04   17:47:13 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#43. To: interpreter (#41)

Whether you call him Methodist or evangelical, the Revelation has nothing but good things to say about George W Bush because he killed the SOB who dried up the Euphrates where human life began in order to start the Battle of Ar Mageddon and get back at George Bush Sr and his son.

I pointed out to you a year ago the Euphrates did not dry up.

I believe you indicated a time frame, one in which I was actually in Iraq drinking ROPU water taken from both the Tigris and Euphrates.

Saddam did dry up some canals but the rivers kept flowing.

As in an important operations position in Iraq I think I would have also noticed millions of troops from the East pouring through Iraq.

redleghunter  posted on  2017-01-04   17:54:40 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#44. To: redleghunter (#43) (Edited)

I pointed out to you a year ago the Euphrates did not dry up.

I believe you indicated a time frame, one in which I was actually in Iraq drinking ROPU water taken from both the Tigris and Euphrates.

Saddam did dry up some canals but the rivers kept flowing.

As in an important operations position in Iraq I think I would have also noticed millions of troops from the East pouring through Iraq.

You are badly mistaken because it has dried up three times now. And every time it happens something bad happens. Here are the references I have cited in my book for the three times it dried up:

1. A University of Texas map, based on aerial photos of Iraq and dated June 1994, shows the lower fifty miles of the Euphrates as being completely dry. It is included in a CIA report titled, “The Destruction of Iraq’s Marshes” (Report Number IA 94-10020). 2. Source: www.nytimes.com/2009/07/14/world/middleeast/14euphrates.html?_r=0 3. Source: www.thetrumpet.com/article/11828.19.0.0/middle-east/turkey-dries- up-the- euphrates

The first time, 9/11 happened. The second time, the Iraqi PM ordered all our troops out of Iraq. The third time, ISIS was born.

I now have my home-boy, Jerry Kramer, a missionary from my church, keeping an eye on the Euphrates in Mosul every day and reporting to me whenever the Euphrates gets low and starts to dry up, so that I can warn everybody that something bad is about to happen.

Are you trying to tell me you did not see ISIS pouring into Iraq?

Besides pointing to Raqqa and ISIS, the spot where the Euphrates dried up 3 times forms a vector with Jerusalem that when extended eastward also points to, and bisects, Kabul and Tehran and of course Baghdad. They are the 4 capitals of the demon-possessed kings that start the Battle of Ar Mageddon. The Revelation does not say however that all of them actually cross the Euphrates. The remaining demon-possessed capital we now have to look out for is Tehran.

interpreter  posted on  2017-01-04   18:47:57 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#45. To: redleghunter (#42) (Edited)

The man of sin may be revealed soon, or 1000 years from now.

What's important? Is each one of us personally prepared for the Second Coming of Jesus Christ.

Are you personally prepared to meet Him when you take your last breath?

Will you be greeted as a friend or adversary?

This is what's important for Christians to focus on...The Great Commission to preach His Gospel to the lost and seeking.

Like all futurists, you are loco en la cabeza. The history books tell us that Jesus returned over 1700 years ago, in 312AD. There are two "men of sin" that have appeared since then. The first one, the 7th head of Satan, was Mohammed. His followers trampled Jerusalem underfoot for exactly 1260 years as prophesied. The second one, the 8th head of Satan, was Hitler. He caused great tribulation for 1260 days as prophesied.

Besides the Great Commission, Jesus also gave us a command to kill all of His enemies (see Luke 19:27). I am guaranteed a mansion in heaven because I helped kill some enemies of Jesus in Viet Nam. My only regret is that I am now too old to help kill the enemies of Jesus in Iraq (a remnant of the 7th head of Satan). The Good News is, when they are all killed off, Christian nations will then be able to rule the earth in peace for a thousand years!

interpreter  posted on  2017-01-04   19:38:29 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#46. To: redleghunter (#42)

The thought or implication, Christians living in the world but not of it, will somehow take the world positions of power, use armies to defeat Islam and usher in worldwide peace is absent from the Bible. These are machinations of man and a heretical following of Dominionism.

If you are not a dominionist then I pity you. You have been deceived by the devil, and the devil loves it because your view typically causes Christians to be a wimp and not fight for their Christian nation. (Not you obviously, but your false preaching may cause other Christians to not fight for their country, and you need to stop it. It is not pleasing to Jesus).

And nothing I say is absent from the Bible. If it were not in the Bible, I wouldn't say it. The whole Revelation, from beginning to end is all about Christians conquering and killing off the last three heads of Satan. If you want the chapter and verse for anything I've said, just ask me and I will gladly give it to you.

interpreter  posted on  2017-01-04   20:41:30 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#47. To: redleghunter (#42)

I know people call him the antichrist and who they are referring to.

My point is they call him the beast. He is an antichrist.

A K A Stone  posted on  2017-01-04   21:04:27 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#48. To: redleghunter (#42)

Jesus Christ returned as conquering King in AD 312? No serious historian, theologian or patrician believed or believes this. The Nicene creed indicates a future second Advent of Jesus Christ. Most of the ancient churches remain pious on the details, however Revelation 19 is quite descriptive. Jesus will come again as Judge and will deal directly with the nations and directly with the beast and false prophet.

All of the world history books say Jesus returned in 312 AD, on Oct 27th when the the sign of Christ (a Chi-Rho, the first two letters of Christ) appeared in the clouds, and Jesus appeared to St. Constantine and said, "By this conquer." And that's what Constantine promptly did. After putting the chi-rho on his labarum and on all his army's armor, he got on his white horse, and carrying a bow he conquered Rome and all the known world for jesus and His Church. The history books also say that ever since that day, Christian nations have been the dominant force on earth. Or at least all world history books used to say that, but nowadays, atheists and Muslims and Buddhist, etc. have forced some school districts to rewrite history and take all that out (because it offends them).

The US, founded by George Washington who rode a very pale (or sickly- looking) horse named Blueskin is the 4th horseman to rule the earth for Jesus. Our weapons bring hell and death to His enemies.

And you are wrong about me not agreeing with the Nicene Creed. In my book, I say that the 5 horsemen are five dispensations of the second coming. And my Christian book publisher, who says I have to agree with the Nicene Creed, is fine with that, and so is my Church which also says I have to agree with the Nicene Creed. And likewise all the other ancient Churches that I have shown my book to are OK with it.

interpreter  posted on  2017-01-04   21:20:29 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#49. To: interpreter (#44) (Edited)

The link goes to an article from 2009. The article says dwindling and mentions the marshland drying up. The river still flowed. This is a minimalist approach to make your predictions fit current events. God has always fulfilled prophecy on a grand scale. Your eisegesis is unconvincing.

ISIS is not an Army from the East is not gathering the whole world:

Revelation 16:

12 And the sixth angel poured out his vial upon the great river Euphrates; and the water thereof was dried up, that the way of the kings of the east might be prepared.

13 And I saw three unclean spirits like frogs come out of the mouth of the dragon, and out of the mouth of the beast, and out of the mouth of the false prophet.

14 For they are the spirits of devils, working miracles, which go forth unto the kings of the earth and of the whole world, to gather them to the battle of that great day of God Almighty.

15 Behold, I come as a thief. Blessed is he that watcheth, and keepeth his garments, lest he walk naked, and they see his shame.

16 And he gathered them together into a place called in the Hebrew tongue Armageddon.

17 And the seventh angel poured out his vial into the air; and there came a great voice out of the temple of heaven, from the throne, saying, It is done.

18 And there were voices, and thunders, and lightnings; and there was a great earthquake, such as was not since men were upon the earth, so mighty an earthquake, and so great.

redleghunter  posted on  2017-01-04   22:28:06 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#50. To: redleghunter (#49) (Edited)

he link goes to an article from 2009. The article says dwindling and mentions the marshland drying up. The river still flowed. This is a minimalist approach to make your predictions fit current events. God has always fulfilled prophecy on a grand scale. Your eisegesis is unconvincing.

ISIS is not an Army from the East is not gathering the whole world:

Do you also think the University of Texas and the CIA are lying? If you do, you are hopeless and I do not intend to waste any more of my time trying to talk some sense into you. And my friend, Jerry Kramer the holiest man I know, also confirms the Euphrates was dry in Mosul one time since he has been there. He ministers to millions of refugees in Iraq just 5 or 6 miles from where all the fighting is going as we speak and his refugee camp is on the banks of the Euphrates so he oughta know. He is pleading with me and other members of my church to come to Iraq to help him feed and provide blankets for the neediest of the world's needy (or else send money). And I am considering doing both after my book starts bringing in money. Are you still in Iraq? I may see you soon. And it would be a first for me, to try to save the enemies of Jesus instead of killing them. But Jerry is doing it, so it can be done. He has converted thousands and thousands of Muslims through kindness.

And despite what you say, ISIS is definitely an army from the east. Where, pray tell, do you think Raqqa is? The "way" (or vector) formed by lining up Jerusalem with where the Euphrates keeps drying up and extending it eastward perfectly points to, and bisects Raqqa. Virtually any proposed interpretation of anything in the Revelation can easily be proven or disproven by the vectors Jesus has woven into the Revelation.

interpreter  posted on  2017-01-05   1:10:18 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#51. To: interpreter (#45)

The history books tell us that Jesus returned over 1700 years ago, in 312AD.

Prove it. Show me where any credible historian, Church doctor or theologian made this claim.

Constantine saw a cross in the sky before the Battle of the Milvian Bridge. Compare this miniscule vision of one man to the utter carnage depicted and Glorious return of Christ in Revelation 19 as I posted.

You are a victim of your own low balling eisegesis. You make things to conform your predispositions.

What ancient church shares your eschatology? I'm curious.

redleghunter  posted on  2017-01-05   2:33:03 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#52. To: interpreter (#46)

If you are not a dominionist then I pity you. You have been deceived by the devil, and the devil loves it because your view typically causes Christians to be a wimp and not fight for their Christian nation. (Not you obviously, but your false preaching may cause other Christians to not fight for their country, and you need to stop it. It is not pleasing to Jesus).

Where are the commands of Christ to take up arms in His name for Christians to rule the world? Defending nations from invaders has always been the matter of nation states and kingdoms. Christ is not Muhammad commanding His followers to spread the faith by the sword. That is what Satan wants...Christians to act like the death cult of Islam. Every Biblical passage on the Second Coming has Christ as conquering King and His hosts of heaven fighting.

Your views are even way off from the Kingdom-Dominion eschatology. Are you Sydney Anglican?

redleghunter  posted on  2017-01-05   2:50:26 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#53. To: interpreter (#50)

And despite what you say, ISIS is definitely an army from the east. Where, pray tell, do you think Raqqa is? The "way" (or vector) formed by lining up Jerusalem with where the Euphrates keeps drying up and extending it eastward perfectly points to, and bisects Raqqa. Virtually any proposed interpretation of anything in the Revelation can easily be proven or disproven by the vectors Jesus has woven into the Revelation.

Al Raqqa is in Syria.

There's your first mistake. How is that even remotely connected to the kings of the east in Revelation 16?

Not even close.

So now the Euphrates is drying up in Syria?

Please get a map.

The small town of Raqqa next to Samarra Iraq is along the Tigris and not Euphrates river. If that is the Raqqa you were referring to. If so wrong river.

redleghunter  posted on  2017-01-05   3:14:09 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#54. To: redleghunter (#51) (Edited)

Prove it. Show me where any credible historian, Church doctor or theologian made this claim.

Constantine saw a cross in the sky before the Battle of the Milvian Bridge. Compare this miniscule vision of one man to the utter carnage depicted and Glorious return of Christ in Revelation 19 as I posted.

You are a victim of your own low balling eisegesis. You make things to conform your predispositions.

What ancient church shares your eschatology? I'm curious.

Like I already said, ALL world history books used to say that (back when I went to school) but nowadays atheists, Muslims, Buddhists, etc. have forced many school districts and history-book publishers to rewrite history and take that out (because it offends them). Nonetheless, there are a few historians who still say much the same thing. For example, Robert Thorvat says,

"On the 28th of October, AD 312, Constantine The Great “faced off” with Maxentius in what became known as the Battle of the Milvian Bridge. Though no one probably realized this at the time, the Battle of the Milvian Bridge would become one of those historical turning points that would set world history down a new path whether for better or worse."

(Source: https://roberthorvat30.wordpress.com/2013/10/28/the-battle-of-the- milvian-bridge-on-this-day-in-history/)

Also, like I have already said, Constantine saw a Chi-Rho (the first 2 letters of Christ), and not a cross. You can see it too with any star- tracking software set to the evening of Oct. 27, 312 AD. The Chi-Rho is prominently displayed in all ancient Churches, usually directly above the "Holy of Holies" (where the communion bread and wine is prepared). It means "By this, conquer" just as Jesus told Constantine that night. And the entire Revelation, from beginning to end, is about Christians conquering the earth (and taking it back from the last three heads of Satan -- pagan Rome, Muslims and NAZI's).

And Revelation 19 is NOT the return of Christ. Nowhere in the Bible does it say Jesus returns twice. I don't care to give away any more of my book on LF. If you want to know who the 5th horseman is, you will have to buy my book, The Revelation: a Historicist View (out soon, or you can pre-order it from Westbow Press). But I will give you a clue. I'm predicting that the fifth horseman will join NATO in 2017, and complete the picture of the 24 Christian nations that will rule the earth for Jesus for the next 1000 years. Over the next few decades (or centuries) this tiny eastern-Europe nation (the smallest in NATO) that has never been defeated (by the Islamic hordes, or by the NAZI's or anyone) and has conquered to the end will be blessed by God and increase in size and power until it replaces the US as the most powerful nation on earth. (Hard to believe now, but that's what the Revelation indicates).

One of the ancient Churches that is OK with my book is my church (the Episcopalian/Anglican Church).

And when I first started studying the Revelation, I had no predispositions whatsoever, and studied it with a completely open mind (unlike futurists).

interpreter  posted on  2017-01-05   7:06:42 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#55. To: redleghunter (#53)

Al Raqqa is in Syria.

There's your first mistake. How is that even remotely connected to the kings of the east in Revelation 16?

Not even close.

So now the Euphrates is drying up in Syria?

Please get a map.

The small town of Raqqa next to Samarra Iraq is along the Tigris and not Euphrates river. If that is the Raqqa you were referring to. If so wrong river.

As everyone on earth knows (except you) Raqqa is the capital of the ISIS caliphate, and the "king" (or Caliph) of ISIS lives in Raqqa. And I never said Raqqa is on the Euphrates. I said it is east of the Euphrates. Why do you twist around everything I say and say I said something I didn't say? It is very irritating, and you need to stop it or else I'm not going continue this conversation.

interpreter  posted on  2017-01-05   7:41:27 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#56. To: redleghunter (#52) (Edited)

Where are the commands of Christ to take up arms in His name for Christians to rule the world?

Luke 19:27 (and also in many verses in the Revelation).

And yes, Mohammed said much the same thing. The main difference is, and the Good News is, Christians win the battle for the earth, and the Muslims lose.

interpreter  posted on  2017-01-05   7:50:46 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#57. To: interpreter (#54)

Like I already said, ALL world history books used to say that (back when I went to school) but nowadays atheists, Muslims, Buddhists, etc. have forced many school districts and history-book publishers to rewrite history and take that out (because it offends them). Nonetheless, there are a few historians who still say much the same thing. For example, Robert Thorvat says,

Ok so the answer is "no", you don't have a source.

I would think one church council or even renown theologian would share your view. Guess not.

redleghunter  posted on  2017-01-05   12:00:31 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#58. To: interpreter (#54)

And Revelation 19 is NOT the return of Christ. Nowhere in the Bible does it say Jesus returns twice.

Considering AD 312 was not the Return of Christ, means He is yet to come.

redleghunter  posted on  2017-01-05   12:02:44 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#59. To: interpreter (#56)

Where are the commands of Christ to take up arms in His name for Christians to rule the world?

Luke 19:27 (and also in many verses in the Revelation).

This is a parable.

Not surprising. Just about all error is extracted from a parable.

The parable is about reward and judgment at Christ's second coming.

redleghunter  posted on  2017-01-05   12:13:38 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#60. To: interpreter (#55)

As everyone on earth knows (except you) Raqqa is the capital of the ISIS caliphate, and the "king" (or Caliph) of ISIS lives in Raqqa. And I never said Raqqa is on the Euphrates. I said it is east of the Euphrates. Why do you twist around everything I say and say I said something I didn't say? It is very irritating, and you need to stop it or else I'm not going continue this conversation.

Lol of course I know Al Raqqa. I am still given intelligence briefs and have access to material you could only dream of. Why I find your geopolitical ramblings quite entertaining.

Al Raqqa is not kings of the East. ISIS did not have to cross any dry rivers to get there. There are plenty of bridges still intact. Those Syria- Iraq-Jordan rat lines go back centuries.

redleghunter  posted on  2017-01-05   12:21:04 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#61. To: interpreter (#55)

It is very irritating, and you need to stop it or else I'm not going continue this conversation.

If you cannot take criticism, perhaps you are in the wrong business.

redleghunter  posted on  2017-01-05   12:22:12 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#62. To: interpreter (#55)

He's whoopin you.

I'd take what his insight into the Bible over yours 7 days a week 365 days a year.

A K A Stone  posted on  2017-01-05   12:24:22 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#63. To: redleghunter (#60)

Lol of course I know Al Raqqa. I am still given intelligence briefs and have access to material you could only dream of. Why I find your geopolitical ramblings quite entertaining.

Al Raqqa is not kings of the East. ISIS did not have to cross any dry rivers to get there. There are plenty of bridges still intact. Those Syria- Iraq-Jordan rat lines go back centuries.

As I have already said, the Revelation does not say anything about anyone crossing a dry river bed. The "way" of the demon possessed kings of the east is the vector formed by the epicenter of where Saddam Hussein dried up the Euphrates in conjunction with Jerusalem. When you draw a straight line between the two and extend it eastward, it points to, and bisects Baghdad, Raqqa, Kabul and Tehran like four sitting ducks in a row. The kings of Baghdad and Kabul are already dead and the king (or Caliph) of Raqqa/ISIS is next. After that we will probably have to deal with the king (or Ayatollah) in Tehran. And everyone knows a Caliph (and/or Ayatollah) is the muslim equivalent of a king, so I cant for the life of me figure out why you say what you say. I guess you just get a kick out of denying everything I say even when the whole world agrees with me (except you).

interpreter  posted on  2017-01-05   13:31:02 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#64. To: redleghunter (#61)

If you cannot take criticism, perhaps you are in the wrong business.

I can take criticism if there is even the slightest iota of truth behind it. Anything I say you automatically deny without any basis, and even when I state well known facts that everyone (including the CIA) accepts, you still automatically deny it. That's what is irritating.

interpreter  posted on  2017-01-05   13:45:33 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#65. To: A K A Stone (#62)

He's whoopin you.

No, he's looking like an idiot for denying even the most evident of facts about Iraq and ISIS when he's there looking straight at them. And just so he can construe and twist them to agree with his futurist view of the Revelation. He is pathetic.

interpreter  posted on  2017-01-05   14:00:44 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#66. To: interpreter (#65) (Edited)

Your pastist view of revelation is telling. There was no thousand year reign. It's almost like when the beast antichrist comes you will think he is Jesus.

A K A Stone  posted on  2017-01-05   14:06:44 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#67. To: interpreter (#64)

I state well known facts that everyone (including the CIA) accepts, you still automatically deny it. That's what is irritating.

You stated a lot of things.

Which are the well known facts that everyone including the CIA accepts?

A K A Stone  posted on  2017-01-05   14:08:10 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#68. To: A K A Stone (#67)

If the CIA sez "sumtine" I already know the CIA is an unreliable government agency. They have failed the American People all over the world and all over tyme, since their creation in 1948.

buckeroo  posted on  2017-01-05   14:15:27 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#69. To: interpreter (#64)

Anything I say you automatically deny without any basis, and even when I state well known facts that everyone (including the CIA) accepts, you still automatically deny it. That's what is irritating.

You are probably the only poster here on LF who trusts the CIA.

I had three direct encounters with the CIA in Iraq.

Masters of manipulation and chaos. They tried killing a key informant we were using and tried convincing my boss to kill an Iraqi politician. Then the crown jewel. They tried getting air support from me after fooling a US Army battalion they were US special forces. That little stunt went up 3 and 4 star channels when I got wind of it.

So please excuse me of trusting NOTHING from the CIA.

redleghunter  posted on  2017-01-05   14:53:19 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#70. To: All (#63)

PS I forgot to add that Saddam Hussein said the main reason he dried up the Euphrates was to bring about (or prepare the way for) the Battle of Ar Mageddon (which the Koran says Muslims will win). That's why he named the canal he dug to drain it the "Mother of All Battles River." So either way you look at it, Saddam prepared the way for (and the vector pointing to) the demon-possessed kings of the east. There was one king who actually crossed the dried up Euphrates and that was Saddam himself. So the prophecy was fulfilled three ways, as are most of the prophesies in the Revelation in order to leave no doubt about their fulfillment (except when it comes to die-hard futurists like the ones on this thread who incredulously and automatically deny ALL of the obvious fulfillments of EVERYTHING in the Revelation).

interpreter  posted on  2017-01-05   14:54:07 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#71. To: interpreter (#65)

Try being a man and ping me when you speak poorly of me.

You are a false prophet. Your comments are devoid of Christian charity.

I attacked your concepts, not you personally. Thank you for revealing yourself.

redleghunter  posted on  2017-01-05   14:56:02 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#72. To: A K A Stone (#66)

Your pastist view of revelation is telling. There was no thousand year reign. It's almost like when the beast antichrist comes you will think he is Jesus.

Hide and watch. The glorious 1000 year reign of the Church will begin either this year or next year.

interpreter  posted on  2017-01-05   14:59:32 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#73. To: A K A Stone (#67)

You stated a lot of things.

Which are the well known facts that everyone including the CIA accepts?

For one thing, the CIA says the lower 50 miles of the Euphrates was dry for about 10 years, yet Redleg denies that it was ever dry. Also, the CIA (and everyone else on earth) says Raqqa is the capital of ISIS, and yet the Redleg incredibly denies that too.

interpreter  posted on  2017-01-05   15:10:53 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#74. To: A K A Stone (#66)

Your pastist view of revelation is telling. There was no thousand year reign. It's almost like when the beast antichrist comes you will think he is Jesus.

Precisely. This theory of prophecy is very convenient for use by a one world leader who rises to claim he is "God."

All Historicist theologians believe the world will be converted via evangelism of the Gospel. Not the sword. Not even the dominionism movement believes this. They believe seizing political power through elections and evangelism will convince the world to become Christian. Still a far out view but they don't promote violence to obtain the Kingdom.

Every Biblical reference of the Return of Messiah or Day of The Lord, has God directly issuing justice with Revelation 19 depicting the conquering King Jesus Christ.

It goes back to Luke 4 where Jesus firmly establishes His Mission in the First Advent:

Luke 4: KJV

16 And he came to Nazareth, where he had been brought up: and, as his custom was, he went into the synagogue on the sabbath day, and stood up for to read.

17 And there was delivered unto him the book of the prophet Esaias. And when he had opened the book, he found the place where it was written,

18 The Spirit of the Lord is upon me, because he hath anointed me to preach the gospel to the poor; he hath sent me to heal the brokenhearted, to preach deliverance to the captives, and recovering of sight to the blind, to set at liberty them that are bruised,

19 To preach the acceptable year of the Lord.

20 And he closed the book, and he gave it again to the minister, and sat down. And the eyes of all them that were in the synagogue were fastened on him.

21 And he began to say unto them, This day is this scripture fulfilled in your ears.

Jesus partially read the prophecy from Isaiah 61. Let's look...

Isaiah 61: King James Version (KJV)

61 The Spirit of the Lord God is upon me; because the Lord hath anointed me to preach good tidings unto the meek; he hath sent me to bind up the brokenhearted, to proclaim liberty to the captives, and the opening of the prison to them that are bound;

2 To proclaim the acceptable year of the Lord, and the day of vengeance of our God; to comfort all that mourn;

3 To appoint unto them that mourn in Zion, to give unto them beauty for ashes, the oil of joy for mourning, the garment of praise for the spirit of heaviness; that they might be called trees of righteousness, the planting of the Lord, that he might be glorified.

4 And they shall build the old wastes, they shall raise up the former desolations, and they shall repair the waste cities, the desolations of many generations.

5 And strangers shall stand and feed your flocks, and the sons of the alien shall be your plowmen and your vinedressers.

6 But ye shall be named the Priests of the Lord: men shall call you the Ministers of our God: ye shall eat the riches of the Gentiles, and in their glory shall ye boast yourselves.(KJV)

Notice where Jesus stops. The remainder of the Isaiah 61 prophecy will be fulfilled in His Second Advent.

Notice it is called the day of vengeance of our God.

redleghunter  posted on  2017-01-05   15:19:59 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#75. To: redleghunter (#71)

Try being a man and ping me when you speak poorly of me.

You are a false prophet. Your comments are devoid of Christian charity.

I attacked your concepts, not you personally. Thank you for revealing yourself.

How can anyone help but speak poorly of someone who denies virtually every fact about Iraq even when you are there looking straight at them? And no one in their right mind can possibly say I am a false prophet when EVERYTHING I have predicted in the last 25 years has come to pass. You cannot name one thing I have predicted that did not come true. And nothing, not one thing, that futurists have been predicting for 25+ years has ever come true as far as I know. So who is the false prophet(s)? In Old Testament days, all of today's futurists would have been stoned to death for making even one false prophecy, and definitely for making hundreds of them.

interpreter  posted on  2017-01-05   15:28:59 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#76. To: interpreter (#73)

For one thing, the CIA says the lower 50 miles of the Euphrates was dry for about 10 years, yet Redleg denies that it was ever dry. Also, the CIA (and everyone else on earth) says Raqqa is the capital of ISIS, and yet the Redleg incredibly denies that too.

50 miles!? I crossed the Euprates in Sothern Iraq several times between 2003 and 2010. Also by Blackhawk and Chinook.

The canals and marsh land were a mess at times but not completely dry. The Iranians were using small boats in the marshes to smuggle in EFP IED components.

Revelation 16: KJV

12 And the sixth angel poured out his vial upon the great river Euphrates; and the water thereof was dried up, that the way of the kings of the east might be prepared.

13 And I saw three unclean spirits like frogs come out of the mouth of the dragon, and out of the mouth of the beast, and out of the mouth of the false prophet.

14 For they are the spirits of devils, working miracles, which go forth unto the kings of the earth and of the whole world, to gather them to the battle of that great day of God Almighty.(KJV)

When the entire great river Euphrates dries up as indicated in Revelation 16, give me a holler. Also when the kings of the earth and of the whole world can cross the mud puddles you fixate over, give me a holler.

How you conclude the grubby death cult from Mosul funded and led by Al Douri is the sum total of the kings of the East, is quite a stretch.

redleghunter  posted on  2017-01-05   15:37:52 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#77. To: interpreter (#73)

For one thing, the CIA says the lower 50 miles of the Euphrates was dry for about 10 years, yet Redleg denies that it was ever dry. Also, the CIA (and everyone else on earth) says Raqqa is the capital of ISIS, and yet the Redleg incredibly denies that too.

link please sir.

A K A Stone  posted on  2017-01-05   15:40:30 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#78. To: interpreter (#75)

How can anyone help but speak poorly of someone who denies virtually every fact about Iraq even when you are there looking straight at them? And no one in their right mind can possibly say I am a false prophet when EVERYTHING I have predicted in the last 25 years has come to pass. You cannot name one thing I have predicted that did not come true. And nothing, not one thing, that futurists have been predicting for 25+ years has ever come true as far as I know. So who is the false prophet(s)? In Old Testament days, all of today's futurists would have been stoned to death for making even one false prophecy, and definitely for making hundreds of them.

You are going off the rails here. Futurists believe the Second Coming is yet to come. Only you and full preterists believe the Second Coming is in the past. Every credal Christian church is awaiting the Return of Jesus Christ in Glory.

Sure there were individuals who predicted Armageddon in their time. They broke the very first rule of Acts 1:

Acts 1: KJV

6 When they therefore were come together, they asked of him, saying, Lord, wilt thou at this time restore again the kingdom to Israel?

7 And he said unto them, It is not for you to know the times or the seasons, which the Father hath put in his own power.

8 But ye shall receive power, after that the Holy Ghost is come upon you: and ye shall be witnesses unto me both in Jerusalem, and in all Judaea, and in Samaria, and unto the uttermost part of the earth.

9 And when he had spoken these things, while they beheld, he was taken up; and a cloud received him out of their sight.

10 And while they looked stedfastly toward heaven as he went up, behold, two men stood by them in white apparel;

11 Which also said, Ye men of Galilee, why stand ye gazing up into heaven? this same Jesus, which is taken up from you into heaven, shall so come in like manner as ye have seen him go into heaven.

12 Then returned they unto Jerusalem from the mount called Olivet, which is from Jerusalem a sabbath day's journey.(KJV)

Pretty simple. The mission given to the disciples was not to concern themselves with timing BUT the mission at hand...The spreading of the Gospel.

Please take this mission to heart.

Taking your minimalist approach to Biblical prophetic passages and geopolitics, anyone could self fulfill any sneeze by Putin. Your approach seeks only to glorify you and not God.

redleghunter  posted on  2017-01-05   15:53:32 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#79. To: redleghunter (#74) (Edited)

Yeah, you read the parts of Luke that you like, but you won't read Luke 19:27. Or the history books which say Jesus returned in 312 AD. Or Revelation 2:7, 2:11, 2:17, 2:26-29, 3:5-6, 3:12-13, 3:21-22, and many other verses in the Revelation that urge Christians to conquer. And the original Greek word means military conquest, yet many faulty Bibles substitute a much milder "overcome." To see what happens to those translators, see Rev 22:18- 19. If you want to know what the Revelation really says, you have to buy my book.

As for what Jesus said in Acts 1:7, that is no longer true. After the fact we now know the day, the hour and minute everything in the Revelation was fulfilled up until Rev 20.

And we are supposed to "self fulfill" everything in the Revelation. It's all up to us because God follows the Star Trek directive. He only only interferes with life on earth when he deems it to be necessary. The next interference will be a thousand years from now when we will have burned up the earth and killed everyone on it.

interpreter  posted on  2017-01-05   16:11:15 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#80. To: redleghunter (#76) (Edited)

50 miles!? I crossed the Euprates in Sothern Iraq several times between 2003 and 2010. Also by Blackhawk and Chinook.

And it wasn't dry then because as soon we invaded Iraq the lower Euphrates was restored (by the swamp arabs who have lived there since the days of Adam and Eve). (And don't tell me George W didn't do a lot of good).

"Also when the kings of the earth and of the whole world can cross the mud puddles you fixate over, give me a holler."

I have repeatedly told you that the Revelation doesn't say anyone actually crosses the dried-up Euphrates, and I have repeatedly told you what the Revelation IS saying, and its double fulfillment yet you continue to post the same old crap like a broken record. What in the world is wrong with you?

interpreter  posted on  2017-01-05   16:44:08 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#81. To: A K A Stone (#77)

"For one thing, the CIA says the lower 50 miles of the Euphrates was dry for about 10 years, yet Redleg denies that it was ever dry. Also, the CIA (and everyone else on earth) says Raqqa is the capital of ISIS, and yet the Redleg incredibly denies that too."

link please sir.

See post #44

interpreter  posted on  2017-01-05   17:01:09 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#82. To: interpreter, redleghunter (#81)

From your source.

First the Title. Dwindle doesn't equal dry up.

"Iraq Suffers as the Euphrates River Dwindles"

Then these from the article you suggested.

"and years of misuse by Iraq and its farmers, the river is significantly smaller than it was just a few years ago." Recently, the Water Ministry announced that Turkey had doubled the water flow into the Euphrates, salvaging the planting phase of the rice season in some areas."

"The Sunni areas upriver seem to have enough water, Mr. Joda observed,"

"

"Throughout the marshes, the reed gatherers, standing on land they once floated over, cry out to visitors in a passing boat."

A K A Stone  posted on  2017-01-05   18:33:43 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#83. To: A K A Stone (#82)

From your source.

First the Title. Dwindle doesn't equal dry up.

"Iraq Suffers as the Euphrates River Dwindles"

Then these from the article you suggested.

"and years of misuse by Iraq and its farmers, the river is significantly smaller than it was just a few years ago." Recently, the Water Ministry announced that Turkey had doubled the water flow into the Euphrates, salvaging the planting phase of the rice season in some areas."

"The Sunni areas upriver seem to have enough water, Mr. Joda observed,"

"

"Throughout the marshes, the reed gatherers, standing on land they once floated over, cry out to visitors in a passing boat."

Exactly. The miracles in the Bible are of grand scale and put people in awe.

They testify of His Power and Glory.

redleghunter  posted on  2017-01-05   18:40:18 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#84. To: redleghunter (#83)

From your source. First the Title. Dwindle doesn't equal dry up.

"Iraq Suffers as the Euphrates River Dwindles"

Then these from the article you suggested.

"and years of misuse by Iraq and its farmers, the river is significantly smaller than it was just a few years ago." Recently, the Water Ministry announced that Turkey had doubled the water flow into the Euphrates, salvaging the planting phase of the rice season in some areas."

"The Sunni areas upriver seem to have enough water, Mr. Joda observed,"

"Throughout the marshes, the reed gatherers, standing on land they once floated over, cry out to visitors in a passing boat."

And none of that has anything whatsoever to do with what the CIA said. The 2nd and 3rd sources have to with a very brief drying up of the Euphrates in 2009 and 2012 or 2013 I think, but it is completely immaterial because those two instances have nothing to do with what the CIA said about the first drying up of the Euphrates which is what the Revelation is talking about. The CIA, my first source, says the Euphrates where Hussein dried it up was dry for at least 10 years, from 1994 to 2003 when the swamp Arabs restored it as soon as Hussein was toppled. Other sources say it went dry a year or two before the CIA picked up on it, but I figured I would quote the CIA because everyone believes the CIA (except the Redleg evidently). My main point is, it was dry on 9/11 when Ar Mageddon began. And the mid-point of where it dried up forms a vector with Jerusalem that very precisely points to the 4 demon-possessed kings of the east the Revelation is talking about. And no they don't cross the dried-up Euphrates but they do gather all the world to that spot. It is the epicenter of the Battle of Ar Mageddon. And a fellow Jew, Joel Rosenberg, is saying the exact same thing I am saying. All Jews know what Ar Mageddon means. Ar Mageddo means City of the Sanctuary, meaning a city (Baghdad) in the original sanctuary of God called the Garden of Eden where modern man was created. Also called Mesopotamia in the secular world it is where the first civilized man appeared. Adding an "n" to it means "and environs" (meaning the entire sanctuary which includes all of Iraq and Syria). And that is where all the world is being gathered to as we speak, just as prophesied.

interpreter  posted on  2017-01-05   21:49:08 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#85. To: interpreter (#84)

And none of that has anything whatsoever to do with what the CIA said.

Then why did you provide that as your link when I asked you for proof?

It was your link goofy.

A K A Stone  posted on  2017-01-05   22:44:05 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#86. To: interpreter (#44)

1. A University of Texas map, based on aerial photos of Iraq and dated June 1994, shows the lower fifty miles of the Euphrates as being completely dry. It is included in a CIA report titled, “The Destruction of Iraq’s Marshes”

Again your source says partially dried up. Only fifty miles. Assuming your source is accurate.

The Length of the Euphrates is 1,740 miles. That means 2.8735632183908044 percent of it was dry.

The Bible says in Revelation 16:12-15King James Version (KJV)

12 And the sixth angel poured out his vial upon the great river Euphrates; and the water thereof was dried up,

It doesn't say 2.8735632183908044 percent of it will dry up. It says it will dry up.

You're a joke and a clown.

A K A Stone  posted on  2017-01-05   22:55:32 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#87. To: redleghunter (#58)

Considering AD 312 was not the Return of Christ, means He is yet to come.

So you are denying what all history books say? (Or at least what all history books used to say before atheists and the Satanic ACLU forced historians to rewrite history)?

interpreter  posted on  2017-01-05   23:47:53 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#88. To: A K A Stone (#85) (Edited)

Then why did you provide that as your link when I asked you for proof?

It was your link goofy.

I only provided the 2nd and 3rd links because the dates they said the Euphrates dried up corresponded to two additional bad things that happened when the Euphrates dried up. But they are by no means the main event. The main event is 9/11 which happened the first time the Euphrates dried up, and as documented in my first link Mr. Goofystone.

interpreter  posted on  2017-01-05   23:57:11 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#89. To: A K A Stone, redleghunter (#86)

Man, Pebbles, you and redleg are getting smoked by Nostradamus Jr.

Thanks for the entertainment.

Fred Mertz  posted on  2017-01-06   0:08:19 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#90. To: Fred Mertz (#89)

Stop eating the mushrooms where the dog takes a tinkle. The results are showing.

redleghunter  posted on  2017-01-06   0:25:24 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#91. To: A K A Stone (#86)

Again your source says partially dried up. Only fifty miles. Assuming your source is accurate.

The Length of the Euphrates is 1,740 miles. That means 2.8735632183908044 percent of it was dry.

The Bible says in Revelation 16:12-15King James Version (KJV)

12 And the sixth angel poured out his vial upon the great river Euphrates; and the water thereof was dried up,

It doesn't say 2.8735632183908044 percent of it will dry up. It says it will dry up.

You're a joke and a clown.

You are a bald face liar. And I can easily prove it, but I dont have the map in question on my new computer, a laptop, and I guess I will have to retrieve my old desktop from my mini-warehouse and fire it up and post the UT/CIA map on LF just for you Mr. Goofy and for Mr. Red herring. But is a huge map and I'm not sure you will be able to read it after it is shrunk down enough to fit on this site, but it very plainly says that 50 miles of the Euphrates was COMPLETELY dry. And if you guys don't believe the CIA, you are completely hopeless and I am not going to continue this ridiculous conversation for another minute.

interpreter  posted on  2017-01-06   0:33:26 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#92. To: interpreter (#91)

And if you guys don't believe the CIA, you are completely hopeless and I am not going to continue this ridiculous conversation for another minute.

No I don't trust the CIA. They tried fooling Soldiers and Airmen into killing an innocent man and his family in Iraq.

redleghunter  posted on  2017-01-06   1:43:53 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#93. To: interpreter (#91)

You are a bald face liar.

Where did I lie. I quoted from your link. Then I did the math.

You are a stupid person. A clown. Someone to laugh at not be listened to. No serious person thinks highly of you.

You have never predicted anything correctly. Not once. Not even what time the sun rises.

You are so dumb you think that people seen in boats (your source) means it is dried up. Here is a clue for you dimwit. I* there is a boat on the river. There is water there.

Why would you need some alleged computer in some alleged warehouse? Don't you know how to use google to find maps? You're a clown and you're full of shit.

You don't lead people to christ. You lead them away. You make chrisians look stupid. But it is just you that is stupid. You are also a liar.

A K A Stone  posted on  2017-01-06   9:17:16 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#94. To: interpreter (#91)

And if you guys don't believe the CIA, you are completely hopeless

If you believer the CIA you don't believe Jesus. You are a false teacher, a hell log.

A K A Stone  posted on  2017-01-06   9:18:08 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#95. To: interpreter (#91)

And if you guys don't believe the CIA, you are completely hopeless and I am not going to continue this ridiculous conversation for another minute.

You've been exposed as a fraud. That is what frauds do. They run along somewhere else to try and fool someone else with their gypsy tactics.

So go ahead run along coward liar.

A K A Stone  posted on  2017-01-06   9:21:08 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#96. To: A K A Stone (#93) (Edited)

Where did I lie. I quoted from your link. Then I did the math.

Why would you need some alleged computer in some alleged warehouse? Don't you know how to use google to find maps? You're a clown and you're full of shit.

You did not copy from my first link, which is the University of Teas/ CIA map of where Saddam Hussein dried up the Euphrates. It is that drying up of the Euphrates, when it was bone dry for 10+ years, that the Revelation is talking about.

The reason I need to fire up my old computer is because that map was removed from the internet over 13 years ago, Mr. Goofystone, when the US toppled Saddam and the swamp Arabs immediately restored the Euphrates. But it is still available in the UT and CIA archives. If you want to see it, just call up the University of Texas like I did, and they will tell you how to download it. There is not room on my boat to hook up my huge desktop, and my daughter told me she doesn't have room for it either, so if you want to see it, you will have to call the U of T, or the CIA. You do have a phone don't you?

interpreter  posted on  2017-01-06   11:35:35 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#97. To: interpreter (#96)

You did not copy from my first link,

Everything I said was from links you provided. Your links said you are full of it.

The Euphrates is over a thousand miles long. It never dried up.

A K A Stone  posted on  2017-01-06   11:50:52 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#98. To: A K A Stone (#93) (Edited)

You don't lead people to christ. You lead them away. You make chrisians look stupid. But it is just you that is stupid. You are also a liar.

You couldn't be more wrong. I have led many hundreds of people to Christ. When I was the jailhouse preacher in the Brazoria County jail, I converted virtually everyone in the Jail including the most hardened atheists in Texas. I did it by preaching entirely from the Revelation, and proving beyond a shadow of a doubt that there is a God, by showing that 85 percent of the Revelation has been fulfilled. And I told the murderers and all the violent inmates, If you still feel like killing someone, join the armed forces and kill the enemies of Jesus to your heart's content, and you will receive a mansion in heaven. And I share Mad Dog's view (the new Secretary of Defense) that killing the bad guys is fun. And many of the guys I converted are now in Iraq killing the bad guys, and having fun doing it.

I can guarantee you that not one futurist in history has the track record I have for converting people. The futurists lead people away from Christ and make Christians look stupid by predicting a bunch of crazy stuff that never comes true.

interpreter  posted on  2017-01-06   12:07:03 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#99. To: interpreter (#98)

If you still feel like killing someone, join the armed forces and kill the enemies of Jesus to your heart's content, and you will receive a mansion in heaven.

A lie.

A K A Stone  posted on  2017-01-06   12:22:05 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#100. To: interpreter (#98)

by predicting a bunch of crazy stuff that never comes true.

Like the fool who provided links to make their case. Then the links all said the Euphrates didn't dry up. Making the fool not only a fool but a liar and a false prophet.

A K A Stone  posted on  2017-01-06   12:23:31 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#101. To: A K A Stone (#97) (Edited)

Everything I said was from links you provided. Your links said you are full of it.

You are the one who is full of it. It is impossible for you to have copied anything from my first link because it was removed from the internet over 13 years ago. Like I said, it is archived and you have to call up the CIA or UT if you want to see the map of where the Euphrates was bone dry for over 10 years. I've already told you that three times. And as I have also told you 3 times, the other two links have nothing whatsoever to do with what the Revelation is talking about. I only included them because some additional bad things happened the 2nd and 3rd times the Euphrates dried up (or nearly dried up in one case). The Revelation is talking about what happened the first time the Euphrates dried up, when 9/11 occured. I have also told you that 3 times and I am getting very tired of having to repeat myself over and over, and over again. You and the Red herring are the densest people I have ever tried to talk to in my life.

interpreter  posted on  2017-01-06   12:35:07 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#102. To: A K A Stone (#99)

"If you still feel like killing someone, join the armed forces and kill the enemies of Jesus to your heart's content, and you will receive a mansion in heaven."

A lie.

Jesus does not lie. Read John 14:2, Luke 19:27, and Revelation 3:5.

Rev 3:5 says, "The one conquering, this one will be arrayed in white garments, and by no means will I blot out his name from the Book of Life, and I will confess his name before my Father, and before His angels."

Nothing can be any plainer than that.

interpreter  posted on  2017-01-06   12:56:19 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#103. To: interpreter (#102)

Here is what it really says. Revelation Chapter 3 v5 He that overcometh, the same shall be clothed in white raiment; and I will not blot out his name out of the book of life, but I will confess his name before my Father, and before his angels.

A K A Stone  posted on  2017-01-06   13:03:41 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#104. To: interpreter (#102)

More context.

Revelation 3King James Version (KJV)

3 And unto the angel of the church in Sardis write; These things saith he that hath the seven Spirits of God, and the seven stars; I know thy works, that thou hast a name that thou livest, and art dead.

2 Be watchful, and strengthen the things which remain, that are ready to die: for I have not found thy works perfect before God.

3 Remember therefore how thou hast received and heard, and hold fast, and repent. If therefore thou shalt not watch, I will come on thee as a thief, and thou shalt not know what hour I will come upon thee.

4 Thou hast a few names even in Sardis which have not defiled their garments; and they shall walk with me in white: for they are worthy.

5 He that overcometh, the same shall be clothed in white raiment; and I will not blot out his name out of the book of life, but I will confess his name before my Father, and before his angels.

6 He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches.

A K A Stone  posted on  2017-01-06   13:03:58 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#105. To: A K A Stone (#100) (Edited)

"by predicting a bunch of crazy stuff that never comes true."

Like the fool who provided links to make their case. Then the links all said the Euphrates didn't dry up. Making the fool not only a fool but a liar and a false prophet.

Why do you keep repeating the same lie over and over and over again? I've already shot it down four times.

And for 25 years, I have been accurately predicting stuff, whereas no futurist has ever got one thing right. So who is the fase prophet?

interpreter  posted on  2017-01-06   13:04:41 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#106. To: interpreter (#101)

I've already told you that three times. And as I have also told you 3 times, the other two links have nothing whatsoever to do with what the Revelation is talking about. I only included them because some additional bad things happened the 2nd and 3rd times the Euphrates dried up (or nearly dried up in one case). The Revelation is talking about what happened the first time the Euphrates dried up, when 9/11 occured.

You can repeat it 100 more times. It will not change the fact that you are wrong.

A K A Stone  posted on  2017-01-06   13:12:04 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#107. To: interpreter (#105)

The Lord has some strong warnings against adding and subtracting from the Word of God.

Deuteronomy 4:2 reads: "YE SHALL NOT ADD unto the word which I command you, NEITHER SHALL YE DIMINISH ought from it . . ."

Proverbs 30:6, reads, "ADD THOU NOT unto his words . . ."

And just in case you missed it, GOD'S LAST WARNING is Revelation 22:18,19, ". . . If any man SHALL ADD unto these things. . . And if any man shall TAKE AWAY FROM THE WORDS of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life. . ."

And Jesus Christ, in Luke 8:12, gives a clear aim of Satan, ". . . then cometh the devil, and TAKETH AWAY the word . . ."

THE ESV “TAKETH AWAY” 17 COMPLETE VERSES

As we go through this material, get your ESV Bible and please check me out. Don’t believe a word I’m writing. (see Romans 3:4) Please check me out. See the evidence for yourself. Note: Most of these examples of perversions are found in the vast majority of all the new versions. The reason they all carry these corruptions is that they are all built upon the corrupt Westcott and Hort Greek text. And the W&H text carries these thousands of distortions and deletions. Remember they’re not simply updating the King James “English” text, but they are build upon a drastically different corrupt Greek text, produced by two “admitted” heretics.

The ESV completely removes the following 17 verses:

Matthew 12:47 Then one said unto him, Behold, thy mother and thy brethren stand without, desiring to speak with thee.

Matthew 17:21 Howbeit this kind goeth not out but by prayer and fasting.

Matthew 18:11 For the Son of man is come to save that which was lost.

Matthew 23:14 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye devour widows' houses, and for a pretence make long prayer: therefore ye shall receive the greater damnation.

Mark 7:16 If any man have ears to hear, let him hear.

Mark 9:44 Where their worm dieth not, and the fire is not quenched.

Mark 9:46 Where their worm dieth not, and the fire is not quenched.

Mark 11:26 But if ye do not forgive, neither will your Father which is in heaven forgive your trespasses.

Mark 15:28 28 And the scripture was fulfilled, which saith, And he was numbered with the transgressors.

Luke 17:36 Two men shall be in the field; the one shall be taken, and the other left.

Luke 22:44 And being in an agony he prayed more earnestly: and his sweat was as it were great drops of blood falling down to the ground.

Luke 23:17 (For of necessity he must release one unto them at the feast.)

John 5:4 For an angel went down at a certain season into the pool, and troubled the water: whosoever then first after the troubling of the water stepped in was made whole of whatsoever disease he had.

Acts 8:37 And Philip said, If thou believest with all thine heart, thou mayest. And he answered and said, I believe that Jesus Christ is the Son of God.

Acts 15:34 Notwithstanding it pleased Silas to abide there still.

Acts 24:7 (note half of Acts 24:6 and 24:8 is also removed) 7 But the chief captain Lysias came upon us, and with great violence took him away out of our hands,

Acts 28:29 And when he had said these words, the Jews departed, and had great reasoning among themselves.

Romans 16:24 The grace of our Lord Jesus Christ be with you all. Amen.

After Mark 16:8 the ESV states, "Some of the earliest manuscripts do not include 16:9-20.” Zap-There goes another 12 verses. And by the way, that is absolutely untrue! The book, The Last Twelve Verses of the Gospel of Mark, by Dean Burgon contains over 400 pages of documented evidence for Mark 16:9- 20, that has never been refuted, nor ever will!

After John 7:52, the NIV, reads, "The earliest manuscripts do not include John 7:53-8:11" Zap-There goes another 12 verses!

THE ESV “TAKETH AWAY” OVER 33,000 WORDS IN JUST THE NEW TESTAMENT!

A word comparison with the New Testament of the KJB and the ESV reveals the ESV removes over a staggering 33,000 words! And that is nothing to sneeze at. That equals removing the complete books of Joel, Obadiah, Jonah, Nahum, Habakkuk, Zephaniah, Haggai, Malachi, Philippians, Colossians, 1 Thessalonians, 2 Thessalonians, 1 Timothy, 2 Timothy, Titus, Philemon, James, 1 Peter, 2 Peter, 1 John, 2 John, 3 John and Jude - combined!

That’s a huge part of your Bible that someone decided you didn’t need!

And that’s just the words ripped from the New Testament!

So much for the Lord’s stern warning against adding and taking away from His Words.

In case you think the ESV simply removes insignificant archaic words. The ESV removes “key” words and phases from hundreds of verses. The following are some examples of the words “taketh away” in the ESV. The words marked in red are removed in the ESV.

Mathew 19:9 KJB And I say unto you, Whosoever shall put away his wife, except it be for fornication, and shall marry another, committeth adultery: and whoso marrieth her which is put away doth commit adultery.

ESV And I say to you: whoever divorces his wife, except for sexual immorality, and marries another, commits adultery."

Mark 9:49 KJB For every one shall be salted with fire, and every sacrifice shall be salted with salt.

ESV For everyone will be salted with fire.

Luke 9:55-56 KJB But he turned, and rebuked them, and said, Ye know not what manner of spirit ye are of. For the Son of man is not come to destroy men's lives, but to save them. And they went to another village.

ESV But he turned and rebuked them. And they went on to another village.

Luke 22:64 KJB And when they had blindfolded him, they struck him on the face, and asked him, saying, Prophesy, who is it that smote thee?

ESV They also blindfolded him and kept asking him, "Prophesy! Who is it that struck you?"

John 3:13 KJB And no man hath ascended up to heaven, but he that came down from heaven, even the Son of man which is in heaven.

ESV No one has ascended into heaven except he who descended from heaven, the Son of Man.

John 8:59 KJB Then took they up stones to cast at him: but Jesus hid himself, and went out of the temple, going through the midst of them, and so passed by.

ESV So they picked up stones to throw at him, but Jesus hid himself and went out of the temple.

Acts 9:5 KJB And he said, Who art thou, Lord? And the Lord said, I am Jesus whom thou persecutest: it is hard for thee to kick against the pricks. And he trembling and astonished said, Lord, what wilt thou have me to do? And the Lord said unto him, Arise, and go into the city, and it shall be told thee what thou must do.

ESV And he said, "Who are you, Lord?" And he said, "I am Jesus, whom you are persecuting. But rise and enter the city, and you will be told what you are to do."

Acts 18:21 KJB But bade them farewell, saying, I must by all means keep this feast that cometh in Jerusalem: but I will return again unto you, if God will. And he sailed from Ephesus.

ESV But on taking leave of them he said, "I will return to you if God wills," and he set sail from Ephesus.

Romans 8:1 KJB There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.

ESV There is therefore now no condemnation for those who are in Christ Jesus.

Romans 13:9 KJB For this, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not kill, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness, Thou shalt not covet; and if there be any other commandment, it is briefly comprehended in this saying, namely, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.

ESV For the commandments, "You shall not commit adultery, You shall not murder, You shall not steal, You shall not covet," and any other commandment, are summed up in this word: "You shall love your neighbor as yourself."

1 Corinthians 10:28 KJB But if any man say unto you, This is offered in sacrifice unto idols, eat not for his sake that shewed it, and for conscience sake: for the earth is the Lord's, and the fulness thereof:

ESV But if someone says to you, "This has been offered in sacrifice," then do not eat it, for the sake of the one who informed you, and for the sake of conscience--

Galatians 3:1 KJB O foolish Galatians, who hath bewitched you, that ye should not obey the truth, before whose eyes Jesus Christ hath been evidently set forth, crucified among you?

ESV O foolish Galatians! Who has bewitched you? It was before your eyes that Jesus Christ was publicly portrayed as crucified.

Ephesians 3:14 KJB For this cause I bow my knees unto the Father of our Lord Jesus Christ,

ESV For this reason I bow my knees before the Father,

Titus 1:4 KJB To Titus, mine own son after the common faith: Grace, mercy, and peace, from God the Father and the Lord Jesus Christ our Saviour.

ESV To Titus, my true child in a common faith: Grace and peace from God the Father and Christ Jesus our Savior.

Hebrews 2:7 KJB Thou madest him a little lower than the angels; thou crownedst him with glory and honour, and didst set him over the works of thy hands:

ESV You made him for a little while lower than the angels; you have crowned him with glory and honor,

1 John 5:7 KJB For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one. And there are three that bear witness in earth, the Spirit, and the water, and the blood: and these three agree in one.

ESV For there are three that testify: the Spirit and the water and the blood; and these three agree.

THE ESV & THE LORD JESUS CHRIST

Among the more troubling changes in the new versions is the strategic attack on the Lord Jesus Christ. Some times the attack is small and subtle, such as removing “Lord” or “Christ,” or swipes at the virgin birth or the blood atonement. Other times, the attack is a nuclear assault, such as stripping “God” from 1 Timothy 3:16. But make no mistake – the attack is real. And most people reading just the ESV (or the other versions) never realize this sinister attack on the Lord Jesus Christ.

There’s something very special about the name of “Jesus”.

The Bible says in Acts 4:12, “Neither is there salvation in any other: for there is none other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved.” Philippians 2:10 says about the name of Jesus, “That at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of things in heaven, and things in earth, and things under the earth;” (Philippians 2:10)

And the ESV removes the precious name of “Jesus” 18 times! And believe it or not – it removes “Jesus Christ” 51 times!

And that’s not all. . . The ESV removes the word “Christ” 39 times. The “Lord” 66 times. And “God” 38 times.

In Matthew 5:22, the ESV removes “without a cause” hence making Jesus Christ (who got angry in Mark 3:5 and other places) danger of the judgment.

Matthew 5:22 KJB But I say unto you, That whosoever is angry with his brother without a cause shall be in danger of the judgment: and whosoever shall say to his brother, Raca, shall be in danger of the council: but whosoever shall say, Thou fool, shall be in danger of hell fire.

ESV But I say to you that everyone who is angry with his brother will be liable to judgment; whoever insults his brother will be liable to the council; and whoever says, 'You fool!' will be liable to the hell of fire.

That wonderful, familiar song says, “What can wash away my sins, nothing but the blood of Jesus.” Not according to the ESV. . .

The only place in the Bible that references “washing” my sins in the blood of Jesus Christ is Revelation 1:5. And the ESV replaces “wash” with “freed”. Why doesn’t the ESV and the new versions change the song to “What can free my sins”? Because they wouldn’t dare change the words of the song for respect of the author of the song – and yet they’ll change the words of God without blinking an eye!

Revelation 1:5 KJB And from Jesus Christ, who is the faithful witness, and the first begotten of the dead, and the prince of the kings of the earth. Unto him that loved us, and washed us from our sins in his own blood,

ESV and from Jesus Christ the faithful witness, the firstborn of the dead, and the ruler of kings on earth. To him who loves us and has freed us from our sins by his blood

Colossians 1:14 takes another surgical swipe at the precious blood of Jesus Christ by removing the words – “through his blood.” The ESV deliberately rips out the words “through his blood.” Salvation is ONLY “through his blood.” Hebrews 9:22, reads, ". . . without shedding of BLOOD is no remission." That old song says, "What can wash away my sins, NOTHING BUT THE BLOOD OF JESUS!" But not according to the English SUBStandard Version. . .

Colossians 1:14 KJB In whom we have redemption through his blood, even the forgiveness of sins:

ESV in whom we have redemption, the forgiveness of sins.

1 Peter 4:1 removes the simple two words “for us” thus surgically amputating what Jesus Christ did “for us.”

KJB Forasmuch then as Christ hath suffered for us in the flesh, arm yourselves likewise with the same mind: for he that hath suffered in the flesh hath ceased from sin;

ESV Since therefore Christ suffered in the flesh, arm yourselves with the same way of thinking, for whoever has suffered in the flesh has ceased from sin,

Hebrews 1:3 takes another subtle swipe at the blood atonement of the Lord Jesus Christ by removing the key words “by himself,” hence negating His personal sacrificial death. At the same time, the ESV muddles the incarnation of the Lord Jesus by changing “Who being the brightness of his glory, and the express image of his person” to the vague “He is the radiance of the glory of God and the exact imprint of his nature.”

KJB Who being the brightness of his glory, and the express image of his person, and upholding all things by the word of his power, when he had by himself purged our sins, sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on high;

ESV He is the radiance of the glory of God and the exact imprint of his nature, and he upholds the universe by the word of his power. After making purification for sins, he sat down at the right hand of the Majesty on high,

In Luke 13:32, the ESV robs Jesus Christ of His “perfection” and instead only allows Him to “finish my course.”

Luke 13:32 KJB And he said unto them, Go ye, and tell that fox, Behold, I cast out devils, and I do cures to day and to morrow, and the third day I shall be perfected.

ESV And he said to them, "Go and tell that fox, 'Behold, I cast out demons and perform cures today and tomorrow, and the third day I finish my course.

The ESV in Philippians 2:6-7 drops an atomic bomb on the deity of the Lord Jesus Christ. One of the clearest verses in the Bible proclaiming that Jesus Christ was God in the flesh and the ESV totally changes the verse to deliberately deny the deity of Jesus Christ. The ESV changes the clear, definitive statement “thought it not robbery to be equal with God” to the exact opposite “did not count equality with God a thing to be grasped”!

KJB Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God: But made himself of no reputation, and took upon him the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men:

ESV who, though he was in the form of God, did not count equality with God a thing to be grasped, but made himself nothing, taking the form of a servant, being born in the likeness of men.

If Philippians 2 was an atomic assault on the deity and incarnation of Jesus Christ, the ESV attacks 1 Timothy 3:16 with a devastating nuclear attack. 1 Timothy 3:16 is easily the clearest declaration in the scriptures that Jesus Christ was God in the flesh, and the ESV creates a grammatical gobbled-gook to deny the deity of Jesus Christ!

1 Timothy 3:16 KJB And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory.

ESV Great indeed, we confess, is the mystery of godliness: He was manifested in the flesh, vindicated by the Spirit, seen by angels, proclaimed among the nations, believed on in the world, taken up in glory.

The ESV reads, “HE was manifested in the flesh”. So What? Everyone was “manifested in the flesh”! “He” is a pronoun that refers to a noun or antecedent. There is no antecedent in the context! The statement does not make grammatical sense. The ESV distorts I Timothy 3:16 into utter nonsense while denying the deity of Jesus Christ!

1 John 4:3 provides us a tell-tale sign to identify the spirit of the antichrist. Of course, the antichrist surely wishes this verse could be diluted to dull the reader’s discernment. And of course, the ESV grants his demonic wish by removing the key words “is come in the flesh”.

1 John 4:3 KJB And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world.

ESV and every spirit that does not confess Jesus is not from God. This is the spirit of the antichrist, which you heard was coming and now is in the world already.

Like all good Bible PerVersions the ESV perverts John 3:16 by removing the critical “begotten” and thus changing John 3:16 into a lie. Adam is called the “son of God” in Luke 3:38, there are “sons of God” in Job 1:6 and Christians are called “sons of God” in Philippians 2:15, I John 3:2- but Jesus Christ was the “only BEGOTTEN Son” By removing the critical word “begotten” -- the ESV perverts John 3:16 into a lie. The ESV also removes “begotten” in John 1:14, 1:18, 3:18 and 1 John 4:9,

John 3:16 KJB For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.

ESV "For God so loved the world, that he gave his only Son, that whoever believes in him should not perish but have eternal life.

NO LUCIFER IN THE ESV

Isaiah 14:14 reveals Satan's grandest desire, "I will be like the most High." And with a little subtle perversion - the ESV in Isaiah 14:12 grants Satan's wish.

In Isaiah 14:12, the King James Bible clearly identifies “Lucifer”. But the ESV refers to “Lucifer” as one of the titles of the Lord Jesus Christ – “Day Star” in 1 Peter 1:19 and the Morning star of Revelation 22:16.

Isaiah 14:12 KJB How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! how art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations!

ESV "How you are fallen from heaven, O Day Star, son of Dawn! How you are cut down to the ground, you who laid the nations low!

1 Peter 1:19 KJB We have also a more sure word of prophecy; whereunto ye do well that ye take heed, as unto a light that shineth in a dark place, until the day dawn, and the day star arise in your hearts:

Revelation 22:16 KJB I Jesus have sent mine angel to testify unto you these things in the churches. I am the root and the offspring of David, and the bright and morning star.

The ESV makes Lucifer the “Day Star” in Isaiah 14, and the Hebrew word for star (kokab) is not in Isaiah 14:12. Why did they do it? Hint. Read Genesis 3:1

THE QUENCHING OF HELL

The Bible says in Matt 25:41 that hell “prepared for the devil and his angels.” Now surely the Devil’s going to tone down the flames of hell. And he does, the ESV removes hell 40 times.

Get this “devil and devils” is removed a whopping 83 times in the ESV!

THE LORD’S PRAYER OR. . . THE DEVIL’S PRAYER?

As we previously witnessed the ESV surgically blurs the roles of the Lord Jesus and Satan. Another classic (and sad) case is the popular “Lord’s Prayer”. Notice the ESV removes the critical words that identify God the Father. Note: The words in read are removed from the ESV.

KJB (Luke 11:2-4) 2 And he said unto them, When ye pray, say, Our Father which art in heaven, Hallowed be thy name. Thy kingdom come. Thy will be done, as in heaven, so in earth. 3 Give us day by day our daily bread. 4 And forgive us our sins; for we also forgive every one that is indebted to us. And lead us not into temptation; but deliver us from evil.

ESV (Luke 11:2-4) 2 And he said to them, "When you pray, say: "Father, hallowed be your name. Your kingdom come. 3 Give us each day our daily bread, 4 and forgive us our sins, for we ourselves forgive everyone who is indebted to us. And lead us not into temptation."

The “Father” of the ESV is not “in heaven” and does not “deliver us from evil.” The ESV changes The Lord's Prayer in Luke 2 into the Devil's Prayer.

THE VIRGIN BIRTH

One of the loudest protests against the 1952 RSV was the attack on the virgin birth in Isaiah 7:14 by changing “virgin” to “young woman”.

Isaiah 7:14 KJB Therefore the Lord himself shall give you a sign; Behold, a virgin shall conceive, and bear a son, and shall call his name Immanuel.

Isaiah 7:14 RSV Therefore the Lord himself will give you a sign. Behold, a young woman shall conceive and bear a son, and shall call his name Immanuel.

By the way, how does “a young woman shall conceive” be a “sign”? Duh… Young woman conceive all the time. But for a “virgin” to conceive – now that’s a “sign” from the Lord.

Following the RSV’s attack on the virgin birth of Isaiah 7;14, an onslaught of Christian leaders came rushing out of the woodshed vehemently attacking the apostate RSV in 1952, even publicly burning copies of the RSV. And yet the ESV (and nearly every other new version) attack the virgin birth of the Lord Jesus Christ in Luke 2:33 by changing “Joseph” to “his father”.

Luke 2:33 KJB And Joseph and his mother marvelled at those things which were spoken of him.

ESV And his father and his mother marveled at what was said about him.

Note: Some new version defenders have sought to justify the “his father” of Luke 2:33 in the ESV with the KJB in Luke 2:48, “And when they saw him, they were amazed: and his mother said unto him, Son, why hast thou thus dealt with us? behold, thy father and I have sought thee sorrowing.” But here’s the important difference. In Luke 2:48 the Bible is quoting Mary recognizing the parental role of Joseph, but in Luke 2:33, the Holy Spirit is narrating the facts concerning the birth of the Lord Jesus Christ.

THE ATTACK ON THE WORD OF GOD. . .

Obviously, with the ESV “corrupting” the words of God like a madman possessed from hell (literally), you’d certainly expect the ESV to cover their tracks by changing “corrupt the word of God” in 2 Corinthians 2:17. (And you’re right – they did . . .) Not to be disappointed, hell’s hit man from the ESV conveniently takes care of 2 Corinthians 2:17 by quietly changing “corrupt the word of God” to “peddlers of God's word.”

2 Corinthians 2:17 KJB For we are not as many, which corrupt the word of God: but as of sincerity, but as of God, in the sight of God speak we in Christ.

ESV For we are not, like so many, peddlers of God's word, but as men of sincerity, as commissioned by God, in the sight of God we speak in Christ.

2 Timothy 2:15 contains the only command in the scriptures to “study” the word of God. Of course, the ESV crew has got to get rid of that “study”. After all, if you actually “study” your Bible you might just find out what the ESV and the Dobson-Crossway crowd is doing to the Word of God. And they just can’t allow that. Got to get rid of that “study.” So presto-magic - “study” no mo. . . Just “do you best.” Oh by the way, you no longer rightly “divide” the word of truth, you just “rightly handle”. The ESV surgically removes the only command to “study” your Bible, and rips out the only instructions on how to study it - “rightly dividing”.

2 Timothy 2:15 KJB Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.

ESV Do your best to present yourself to God as one approved, a worker who has no need to be ashamed, rightly handling the word of truth.

In Luke 4, the devil tempts the Lord Jesus Christ. And the Lord battles the devil with “the sword of the Spirit, which is the word of God” (Eph 6:17) but wait – hold the phone – it’s not in the ESV! Believe it or not (please check it out) while the Lord is battling the temptations of the devil, the ESV disarms the Lord by removing His sword! The ESV removes “but by every word of God.” Wow! Any doubt whose the mastermind pulling the strings on these new versions. . .

Luke 4:4 KJB And Jesus answered him, saying, It is written, That man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word of God.

ESV And Jesus answered him, "It is written, 'Man shall not live by bread alone.'"

To make matters even worse (and to display the total Bible stupidity of the ESV crew) the Lord Jesus is quoting Deuteronomy 8:3. The ESV obviously doesn’t even know what Deuteronomy 8:3 says. Deuteronomy 8:3 And he humbled thee, and suffered thee to hunger, and fed thee with manna, which thou knewest not, neither did thy fathers know; that he might make thee know that man doth not live by bread only, but by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of the LORD doth man live.

And Christian leaders are promoting and praising this anti-Christ mess? You read the accolades (and there’s a lot more on the ESV web site)? I suspect most of those so-called Christian leaders are not daily “reading” and “searching” their Bible (any version), they just carry it around and “use it” only when absolutely necessary. How else can you explain them praising such a wicked and open attack on the Word of God?

ESV AND SALVATION

Paul warns the Christian in 2 Corinthians 11:3 of Satan’s attempt to corrupt your minds “from the simplicity that is in Christ.”

2 Corinthians 11:3 But I fear, lest by any means, as the serpent beguiled Eve through his subtlety, so your minds should be corrupted from the simplicity that is in Christ.

And the ESV successfully carries out the serpent’s beguiling desire by corrupting “the simplicity that is in Christ.” The ESV’s corruption and confusion of the simplicity of Christ injects the deadly venom from the subtle serpent of Genesis 3:1, “Yea, hath God said. . .?”

Remember Hort despises the blood atonement of Jesus Christ labeling it “an almost universal heresy.” He also adds the “doctrine of substitution, (how that Jesus took our place (substitution) on the cross) is “an immoral and material counterfeit”:

Oct. 15th - Hort: "I entirely agree - correcting one word - with what you there say on the Atonement, having for many years believed that "the absolute union of the Christian (or rather, of man) with Christ Himself" is the spiritual truth of which the popular doctrine of substitution is an immoral and material counterfeit...Certainly nothing can be more unscriptural than the modern limiting of Christ's bearing our sins and sufferings to His death; but indeed that is only one aspect of an almost universal heresy." (Life, Vol.I, p.430).

Carrying forth Hort’s malicious attack on Christ’s “substitutionary atonement,” the ESV surgically dismantles our “complete salvation” right before your eyes. Salvation in the ESV is not a one-time finished, salvation but a process. It’s not “saved” but a continual process of “being saved.” In the ESV’s and Hort’s twisted salvation, at what point does someone actually become “saved” and no longer “being saved”?

Act 2:47 KJB Praising God, and having favour with all the people. And the Lord added to the church daily such as should be saved.

ESV praising God and having favor with all the people. And the Lord added to their number day by day those who were being saved.

1 Corinthians 1:18 KJB For the preaching of the cross is to them that perish foolishness; but unto us which are saved it is the power of God.

ESV For the word of the cross is folly to those who are perishing, but to us who are being saved it is the power of God.

1 Corinthians 15:2 KJB By which also ye are saved, if ye keep in memory what I preached unto you, unless ye have believed in vain.

ESV and by which you are being saved, if you hold fast to the word I preached to you--unless you believed in vain.

2 Corinthians 2:15 KJB For we are unto God a sweet savour of Christ, in them that are saved, and in them that perish:

ESV For we are the aroma of Christ to God among those who are being saved and among those who are perishing,

Following right along this pernicious path of “being saved” the ESV no longer allows the saved sinner to be “complete” in Jesus Christ, but merely “filled”.

Colossians 2:10 KJB And ye are complete in him, which is the head of all principality and power:

ESV and you have been filled in him, who is the head of all rule and authority.

The ESV perverts “narrow is the way” of salvation into “the way is hard”. There’s nothing “hard” about God’s wonderful way to salvation. It’s as simple as “opening a door” (John 10:9) or drinking a glass of water (John 4:14). But it is “narrow”. It’s very “narrow”. There’s only one, single, “narrow” way. Jesus Christ says in John 14:6, “Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.” Again the ESV totally changes and perverts the simple way of salvation.

Matthew 7:14 KJB Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it.

ESV For the gate is narrow and the way is hard that leads to life, and those who find it are few.

THE ENGLISH SUB-STANDARD VERSION

The English Standard Version should have been correctly named The English SUBStandard Version. In every conceivably way: easy of reading; accuracy; doctrine; honoring the Lord Jesus; truthfulness – it is SubStandard. Would any sincere Christian trade their trustworthy King James Bible for such a pitiful phony?

I think not. . . .

We’ll end our examination of the ESV with the words of the “Great Orator” himself, President Ronald Reagan. During one of Reagan’s famous radio talks, he compared the Good News Bible (also called the Good News for Modern Man and Today's English Version) to the King James Bible. Regean’s keen analysis of the Good News Bible would just as easily apply to the ESV: “The sponsors of the Good News version boast that their Bible is as readable as the daily paper – and so it is. But do readers of the daily news find themselves moved to wonder, "at the gracious words which proceeded out of his mouth"? Mr. Hanser suggests that sadly the "tinkering & general horsing around with the sacred texts will no doubt continue" as pious drudges try to get it right. "It will not dawn on them that it has already been gotten right." This is Ronald Reagan. Thanks for listening. — aired September 6, 1977

The first section, “The Foundation of the ESV”, reveals the distorted and deceitful manuscript foundation of the ESV. This section may appear too technical for many readers, but even a limited comprehension will reveal the corrupt foundation of the new versions. This section answers “why” the new versions attack the Lord Jesus Christ, hell, salvation and scores of other key Bible doctrines.

The second section, “The Fruit of the ESV”, examines the distorted text and verses within the ESV. We compare hundreds of troubling verses in the ESV with the King James Bible. You’ll witness blatant attacks on the Lord Jesus Christ, salvation, hell, the word of God and deliberate new-age-neutral- gender distortions.

A K A Stone  posted on  2017-01-06   13:12:36 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#108. To: interpreter (#105)

Why do you keep repeating the same lie over and over and over again? I've already shot it down four times.

You've done no such thing. All you have done is prove yourself to be even a bigger liar.

You have never predicted anything correctly. Not once. You are not a prophet. You are a clown.

A K A Stone  posted on  2017-01-06   13:14:18 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#109. To: A K A Stone (#103)

Here is what it really says. Revelation Chapter 3 v5 He that overcometh, the same shall be clothed in white raiment; and I will not blot out his name out of the book of life, but I will confess his name before my Father, and before his angels.

That is not even close to what Rev. 3:5 really says. Like I have already told you, most English Bibles don't even come close to translating the original Greek of the Revelation correctly. If you want to see what the Revelation really says, you have to buy my book (which I have quoted from in this case to show you guys what the Revelation really says).

interpreter  posted on  2017-01-06   13:16:21 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#110. To: interpreter (#105)

And for 25 years, I have been accurately predicting stuff, whereas no futurist has ever got one thing right. So who is the fase prophet?

But all the links you provided showed the opposite of what you were saying.

Every single link.

It is a documented fact that the Euphrates never dried up.

There 2.x percent sections that dried up. But the river itself never dried up as prophesied in revelation.

There was never a mark of the beast.

There was never a beast with a worldwide worship system no image of the beast.

All of that is in the future. The future. The future. The future. The future.

You are a fool.

A K A Stone  posted on  2017-01-06   13:17:36 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#111. To: interpreter (#109) (Edited)

That is not even close to what Rev. 3:5 really says. Like I have already told you, most English Bibles don't even come close to translating the original Greek of the Revelation correctly. If you want to see what the Revelation really says, you have to buy my book (which I have quoted from in this case to show you guys what the Revelation really says).

It is exactly what the Bible says. Earlier you said you use the KJV.

The version you are quoting from has changed scripute just like you are trying to do.

There is a warning against deceivers like yourself.

THE WARNING. . .

The Lord has some strong warnings against adding and subtracting from the Word of God.

Deuteronomy 4:2 reads: "YE SHALL NOT ADD unto the word which I command you, NEITHER SHALL YE DIMINISH ought from it . . ."

Proverbs 30:6, reads, "ADD THOU NOT unto his words . . ."

And just in case you missed it, GOD'S LAST WARNING is Revelation 22:18,19, ". . . If any man SHALL ADD unto these things. . . And if any man shall TAKE AWAY FROM THE WORDS of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life. . ."

And Jesus Christ, in Luke 8:12, gives a clear aim of Satan, ". . . then cometh the devil, and TAKETH AWAY the word . . ."

THE ESV “TAKETH AWAY” 17 COMPLETE VERSES

As we go through this material, get your ESV Bible and please check me out. Don’t believe a word I’m writing. (see Romans 3:4) Please check me out. See the evidence for yourself. Note: Most of these examples of perversions are found in the vast majority of all the new versions. The reason they all carry these corruptions is that they are all built upon the corrupt Westcott and Hort Greek text. And the W&H text carries these thousands of distortions and deletions. Remember they’re not simply updating the King James “English” text, but they are build upon a drastically different corrupt Greek text, produced by two “admitted” heretics.

The ESV completely removes the following 17 verses:

Matthew 12:47 Then one said unto him, Behold, thy mother and thy brethren stand without, desiring to speak with thee.

Matthew 17:21 Howbeit this kind goeth not out but by prayer and fasting.

Matthew 18:11 For the Son of man is come to save that which was lost.

Matthew 23:14 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye devour widows' houses, and for a pretence make long prayer: therefore ye shall receive the greater damnation.

Mark 7:16 If any man have ears to hear, let him hear.

Mark 9:44 Where their worm dieth not, and the fire is not quenched.

Mark 9:46 Where their worm dieth not, and the fire is not quenched.

Mark 11:26 But if ye do not forgive, neither will your Father which is in heaven forgive your trespasses.

Mark 15:28 28 And the scripture was fulfilled, which saith, And he was numbered with the transgressors.

Luke 17:36 Two men shall be in the field; the one shall be taken, and the other left.

Luke 22:44 And being in an agony he prayed more earnestly: and his sweat was as it were great drops of blood falling down to the ground.

Luke 23:17 (For of necessity he must release one unto them at the feast.)

John 5:4 For an angel went down at a certain season into the pool, and troubled the water: whosoever then first after the troubling of the water stepped in was made whole of whatsoever disease he had.

Acts 8:37 And Philip said, If thou believest with all thine heart, thou mayest. And he answered and said, I believe that Jesus Christ is the Son of God.

Acts 15:34 Notwithstanding it pleased Silas to abide there still.

Acts 24:7 (note half of Acts 24:6 and 24:8 is also removed) 7 But the chief captain Lysias came upon us, and with great violence took him away out of our hands,

Acts 28:29 And when he had said these words, the Jews departed, and had great reasoning among themselves.

Romans 16:24 The grace of our Lord Jesus Christ be with you all. Amen.

www.av1611.org/kjv/ESV_Fruit.html

A K A Stone  posted on  2017-01-06   13:20:44 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#112. To: interpreter (#109)

you have to buy my book

I doubt you have a book.

A K A Stone  posted on  2017-01-06   13:22:49 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#113. To: interpreter (#98)

I converted virtually everyone in the Jail including the most hardened atheists in Texas. I did it

No you didn't - the Holy Spirit did.

This is the main problem I have with your posts and your un-Biblical predictions.

It's always "I, I, I and me, me, me". You give all the glory to yourself and none to God.

Like I stated earlier, I have a hard time believing that the Apostles, who were humble in spirit, would even consider rising to your level of braggadocio and self-aggrandizing.

Which is why I believe that your prophesies are false. You even alluded earlier to occultism in divining your "prophecies".

“Truth is treason in the empire of lies.” - Ron Paul

Those who most loudly denounce Fake News are typically those most aggressively disseminating it.

Deckard  posted on  2017-01-06   13:24:35 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#114. To: A K A Stone (#108) (Edited)

You've done no such thing. All you have done is prove yourself to be even a bigger liar.

You have never predicted anything correctly. Not once. You are not a prophet. You are a clown.

As I have also told you at least 4 or 5 times, I have predicted all of the major events of the last 25 years, whereas not one futurist has ever predicted even one thing correctly. That proves who is the liar, and a false prophet and a clown beyond a shadow of a doubt.

interpreter  posted on  2017-01-06   13:24:46 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#115. To: interpreter (#109)

Like I have already told you, most English Bibles don't even come close to translating the original Greek of the Revelation correctly.

There are no flaws in the King James Bible.

Show me 3 if you dare.

A K A Stone  posted on  2017-01-06   13:26:39 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#116. To: A K A Stone, interpreter (#99)

...kill the enemies of Jesus to your heart's content, and you will receive a mansion in heaven.

A lie.

Replace the name "Jesus" with "Mohammed" and you have the exact philosophy as the muslims do.

“Truth is treason in the empire of lies.” - Ron Paul

Those who most loudly denounce Fake News are typically those most aggressively disseminating it.

Deckard  posted on  2017-01-06   13:27:13 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#117. To: Deckard (#113)

You even alluded earlier to occultism in divining your "prophecies".

He is either a satanist or buckeroo screwing with us.

A K A Stone  posted on  2017-01-06   13:28:17 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#118. To: A K A Stone (#117)

He is either a satanist or buckeroo screwing with us.

No, it's not buckeroo. Do a google search on some of his claims and you find that he is the only one making them.

“Truth is treason in the empire of lies.” - Ron Paul

Those who most loudly denounce Fake News are typically those most aggressively disseminating it.

Deckard  posted on  2017-01-06   13:31:19 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#119. To: A K A Stone (#111)

It is exactly what the Bible says. Earlier you said you use the KJV.

The version you are quoting from has changed scripute just like you are trying to do.

There is a warning against deceivers like yourself.

The KJV is a lot better than the NIV and NAS, etc. that are based on the heretical "Alexandrian" text written by heretics in the desert who changed many things in the Bible in order to make the Bible conform to their heretical view of things. But the KJV translators also changed a lot of stuff to make the KJV Bible conform to their view of things. My translation of the Revelation does not change anything. It is a literal translation of the Greek word for word. To see what happens to the KJV translators, and the NIV and NAS translators, etc. see Revelation 22:18-19.

interpreter  posted on  2017-01-06   13:41:56 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#120. To: interpreter (#119)

My translation of the Revelation does not change anything.

Revelation says "overcome" not "conqueer".

So you did change.

You also make false prophesies. Like Montenegro joining NATO in 2016 and the Serbs retaking land.

You're full of it.

A K A Stone  posted on  2017-01-06   13:44:55 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#121. To: Deckard (#116)

Replace the name "Jesus" with "Mohammed" and you have the exact philosophy as the muslims do.

You are pretty much correct about that. The main difference is, the Good News is, Christians win the battle for the earth, and the Muslims lose and spend eternity in hell.

interpreter  posted on  2017-01-06   13:46:49 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#122. To: interpreter (#121)

Christians win the battle for the earth, and the Muslims lose and spend eternity

I thought Christians are supposed preach the Gospel.

I guess to you, killing muslims is more convenient than trying to convert them.

“Truth is treason in the empire of lies.” - Ron Paul

Those who most loudly denounce Fake News are typically those most aggressively disseminating it.

Deckard  posted on  2017-01-06   14:02:42 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#123. To: A K A Stone (#120)

Revelation says "overcome" not "conqueer".

So you did change.

You also make false prophesies. Like Montenegro joining NATO in 2016 and the Serbs retaking land.

You're full of it.

As I have already said at least 3 times, the original Greek says "conquer" and the KJV translators changed it to "overcome." And their name will be taken out of the Book of Life the Revelation says.

As for predicting Montenegro would join NATO in 2016, I always qualify my predictions by saying I am sometimes a year or two ahead of God's timetable. In this case I was just 3 weeks or so ahead of when it will happen. That is, it is now on the US Senate agenda, and will be voted on within 2 or 3 weeks probably, depending on how fast the new congress moves through the bills ahead of it. But regardless of when, it will happen because the Revelation says it will. And the Revelation (and myself) has never been wrong yet. And at some point Montenegro together with the other Serbian nations will retake all of their ancient homeland because the Revelation says they will. It will start with the Serbs retaking northern Kosovo as NATO and the EU have already OK'd, and are now urging Kosovo to peacefully hand over to the Serbs. But Kosovo keeps putting off the vote on it, so I have also missed my original prediction on that issue by probably the same amount of time (about 3 weeks or so). But you can take it to the bank that it will happen. And if Kosovo were to vote not to hand over northern Kosovo peacefully, Serbia is making plans to take it by force (but only after Trump, who loves the Serbs, becomes the US President on Jan. 20th) so either way it definitely will happen.

interpreter  posted on  2017-01-06   14:29:26 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#124. To: interpreter (#123)

As for predicting Montenegro would join NATO in 2016,

You were wrong again. About the Serbs also. You said 2016. You are a liar.

A K A Stone  posted on  2017-01-06   14:31:05 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#125. To: interpreter (#123)

so I have also missed my original prediction

So you haven't been totally accurate for 25 years.

According to the Bible that makes you a FALSE prophet. Not a prophet at all but a clown.

A K A Stone  posted on  2017-01-06   14:32:15 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#126. To: Deckard (#122)

thought Christians are supposed preach the Gospel.

I guess to you, killing muslims is more convenient than trying to convert them.

We have tried to convert the Muslims for about 1400 years now but to no avail, and now they are now killing us all over the earth. It is high time we changed our tactics. The only solution is to kill them off, or at least the militant ones, like Jesus commands us to do in Luke 19:27.

interpreter  posted on  2017-01-06   14:44:04 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#127. To: interpreter (#126)

Jesus commands us to do in Luke 19:27.

Another lie.

A K A Stone  posted on  2017-01-06   14:53:17 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#128. To: A K A Stone (#125)

So you haven't been totally accurate for 25 years.

According to the Bible that makes you a FALSE prophet. Not a prophet at all but a clown.

I have been totally accurate for 25 years, because I always say my predictions will happen that year or within the next year or two. And I have never ever missed that time frame. And yet while you accuse me of me of being a false prophet, no futurist has ever got anything right yet (within 1 or 2 years or a hundred years). So why is it you do not accuse them of being false prophets?

interpreter  posted on  2017-01-06   14:57:03 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#129. To: A K A Stone (#127)

"Jesus commands us to do in Luke 19:27."

Another lie.

Every thing I say is in the Bible in plain English. So that makes you the liar.

interpreter  posted on  2017-01-06   15:00:46 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#130. To: A K A Stone (#124)

You were wrong again. About the Serbs also. You said 2016. You are a liar.

I said in 2016 or within the next year or two. I have never been wrong. And it is impossible for me to be wrong because everything I say is in the Revelation given to us by Jesus and he does not lie.

interpreter  posted on  2017-01-06   15:07:59 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#131. To: A K A Stone (#115)

There are no flaws in the King James Bible.

Show me 3 if you dare.

LOL. There are dozens.

Here are several in just chapter 1 of the Revelation:

In verses 12,13, and 20 the KJV says"candlesticks" whereas the original Greek says "lampstands." "Candlesticks" makes no sense because then there would be nothing (no stand) for the lamps of fire in heaven to sit on when they come down to the earth to give light to the 7 parts of the earth (see ch. 4). Also in verse 20, the KJV says: The seven candlesticks which thou sawest are "the seven churches." Whereas the original Greek says: The seven lampstands which thou sawest are "seven Churches" (without the "the in front). The "the" completely changes the meaning and causes the reader to think the 7 golden lampstands are the seven Asian churches, whereas the previous verse plainly states that the vision is of "things that are" and "things which shall be hereafter" The golden lampstands are clearly the "things which shall be hereafter" and they are NOT the "things that are" because the 7 stars are the things that are. When the translator even adds a little word like "the" it invariably completely changes the meaning of the verse.

I will stop there for now (because I have other things to do), but if you want I can give you many more examples (tomorrow).

interpreter  posted on  2017-01-06   16:56:14 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#132. To: Interpreter, A K A Stone (#112)

you have to buy my book

We have to buy your book to know what God reveals in Revelation?

Every English language version is wrong?

redleghunter  posted on  2017-01-06   17:45:25 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#133. To: Deckard (#113)

No you didn't - the Holy Spirit did.

This is the main problem I have with your posts and your un-Biblical predictions.

It's always "I, I, I and me, me, me". You give all the glory to yourself and none to God.

Like I stated earlier, I have a hard time believing that the Apostles, who were humble in spirit, would even consider rising to your level of braggadocio and self-aggrandizing.

Which is why I believe that your prophesies are false. You even alluded earlier to occultism in divining your "prophecies".

You summarized quite well..Now we have to buy his book...

redleghunter  posted on  2017-01-06   17:47:26 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#134. To: interpreter (#114)

As I have also told you at least 4 or 5 times, I have predicted all of the major events of the last 25 years, whereas not one futurist has ever predicted even one thing correctly. That proves who is the liar, and a false prophet and a clown beyond a shadow of a doubt.

Who is a witness to your 25 years of predictions?

You did predict Trump would win, but several bookies did too. Frankly you were sweating that one out as I recall.

Who is the witness of all your other predictions coming true?

Futurists who make concrete predictions in space and time cease to be futurist. I pointed this out. Harold Camping types were so convinced they cracked the Biblical "code" they sound like you.

Return to Acts 1 with a humble heart. The apostles were clothed with the Holy Spirit in power in Acts 2. They did not sharpen swords but stepped out boldly for the Gospel.

redleghunter  posted on  2017-01-06   17:55:56 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#135. To: interpreter (#119)

My translation of the Revelation does not change anything. It is a literal translation of the Greek word for word. To see what happens to the KJV translators, and the NIV and NAS translators, etc. see Revelation 22:18-19.

Which Greek manuscripts did you use to translate Revelation?

redleghunter  posted on  2017-01-06   18:19:32 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#136. To: redleghunter (#132)

We have to buy your book to know what God reveals in Revelation?

Every English language version is wrong?

Correct, but with the possible exception of Young's literal translation. If you want to know what the Revelation is really saying, you have to read a literal translation of the original Greek. All other translations are faulty and interject the translator's theological view of things, like Christians are not supposed to conquer, and that's the direct opposite of what the Revelation is saying. The whole point of the Revelation is that we are supposed to conquer the earth.

interpreter  posted on  2017-01-07   11:17:18 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#137. To: redleghunter (#135)

Which Greek manuscripts did you use to translate Revelation?

The Received Text of course, which (according to the Greek Orthodox Church at least) is exactly as the way the first century authors of the New Testament wrote it. And I believe that.

interpreter  posted on  2017-01-07   11:25:00 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#138. To: interpreter (#137)

Why did you make the same predictions a decade ago.

You are a fake, a deceifer who is himself deceived.

A false prophet clown.

A K A Stone  posted on  2017-01-07   12:57:13 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#139. To: redleghunter (#134)

Who is a witness to your 25 years of predictions?

The first two years (1992 and 93) I placed my predictions in the Sargent Beachcomber. When that newspaper went defunct, I placed my annual predictions in the Sargent News for a couple years (94 & 95). After that I published my annual predictions in my own publication, The Last Days Chronicle (in 96 & 97) After that I placed my annual predictions on beliefnet for several years where I became pretty famous for predicting 9/11, and for my prayer I posted on b'net after 9/11 occurred, and I made it into B'nets book about 9/11 called From the Ashes. Basically I prayed for the invasion of Afghanistan and for Osama Bin Laden to be found and killed, while very other B'net poster prayed for peace. And my prayer was of course answered while none of the other prayers were. If you guys want to look me up on Beliefnet or in their book, I am known on that site as theinterpreter. But on b'net if you say anything bad about Muslims or atheists, etc. and one of them complains to b'net that they were "offended" your post is automatically deleted. After they deleted one of my annual predictions one year (and I can't remember for sure what year that was) I started putting my annual predictions on christianforums.com But they also have a lot of atheists and Muslims on their site and lots of nit-picky rules and I was constantly reported and kicked off for a while for variuos reasons until I "repented" and promised to never do it again, and the final straw was when I was permanently kicked off for saying BS which they said was a cuss word. And I told them I have never said a cuss word in my life, but like everyone else I sometimes use a substitute term and BS was not a cuss word. And I told them that the next president of the United States frequently uses the "F-bomb" but I can't say BS? And I refused to "repent" for something I didn't do, and to make a long story short, I had to create my own website so I could say whatever I want without being censored. And that's also the reason I like Libertysflame, and why I like facebook (although FB does have a few rules you are supposed to follow), Anyhow, this year my annual predictions are on 3 websites and also in my book. I am now going nation- wide and world-wide with my message and I aim to convert the whole world to Christianity like I did the Brazoria County jail, Lord willing.

interpreter  posted on  2017-01-07   13:15:52 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#140. To: interpreter (#139)

Why do you recycle the same "predictions" for 15 years?

A K A Stone  posted on  2017-01-07   13:18:45 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#141. To: interpreter (#139)

I am now going nation- wide and world-wide with my message and I aim to convert the whole world to Christianity

All by yourself, huh?

“Truth is treason in the empire of lies.” - Ron Paul

Those who most loudly denounce Fake News are typically those most aggressively disseminating it.

Deckard  posted on  2017-01-07   13:29:38 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#142. To: A K A Stone (#138)

Why did you make the same predictions a decade ago.

You are a fake, a deceifer who is himself deceived.

A false prophet clown.

Actually, most of the 7 last plagues began occurring 25 years ago. So many of my predictions are pretty much what I have been saying for 25 years, not 10 years. But each year I say the plagues will wax worse so they are not exactly the same predictions, and I have added a lot of new stuff lately. The point is, all of my predictions always come true, and no other predictor of the future, not Jean Dixon, not Hal Lindsay or anyone else can say that. So it is all the others who are a fake, a deceiver and a clown, and no one can possibly say that about me with a straight face (unless they are a bald-face liar like you and the Red herring).

interpreter  posted on  2017-01-07   13:41:14 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#143. To: Deckard (#141)

"I am now going nation- wide and world-wide with my message and I aim to convert the whole world to Christianity"

All by yourself, huh?

No, not by myself, but I do envision myself as the leader (or one of the leaders) of the Church who will convert the whole world to Christianity which the Revelation says is supposed to happen within the next year or two.

interpreter  posted on  2017-01-07   13:55:08 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#144. To: interpreter (#143)

No, not by myself, but I do envision myself as the leader (or one of the leaders) of the Church who will convert the whole world to Christianity

Did God tell you that?

“Truth is treason in the empire of lies.” - Ron Paul

Those who most loudly denounce Fake News are typically those most aggressively disseminating it.

Deckard  posted on  2017-01-07   13:56:12 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#145. To: A K A Stone (#140)

Why do you recycle the same "predictions" for 15 years?

Like I have already said I have been "recycling" some the same predictions for 25 years now (and not 15 years) because many of the last plagues began occurring 25 years ago. But each year they wax worse, and that's what I have been predicting, so I change them a little bit each year. I am not going to make up new predictions every year just for the sake of changing something because then I would be making false predictions that are not in The Bible and have no chance of coming true. Then you could honestly say I am a false prophet. As Donald Trump says, "That's not going to happen!"

interpreter  posted on  2017-01-07   14:27:42 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#146. To: Deckard (#144)

"No, not by myself, but I do envision myself as the leader (or one of the leaders) of the Church who will convert the whole world to Christianity"

Did God tell you that?

Not exactly, but a prophetess said that when I was born. And my publisher tells me that if that counts.

interpreter  posted on  2017-01-07   14:36:11 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#147. To: interpreter (#146)

Not exactly, but a prophetess said that when I was born.

More evidence of occultism.

“Truth is treason in the empire of lies.” - Ron Paul

Those who most loudly denounce Fake News are typically those most aggressively disseminating it.

Deckard  posted on  2017-01-07   14:40:21 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#148. To: interpreter (#145)

Like I have already said I have been "recycling" some the same predictions for 25 years now

If they came to pass you wouldn't need to make the same prediction again.

You're lame.

A K A Stone  posted on  2017-01-07   16:18:29 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#149. To: A K A Stone (#148)

If they came to pass you wouldn't need to make the same prediction again.

You're lame.

They all come to pass dummy, because the plagues got worse every year, just as I predicted. Some of the plagues, like global warming, will probably wax worse every year for 100 years, so I will be making the same prediction, that global warming will get worse, for a hundred years, not 25 (if I live long enough). 25 years is just a drop in the bucket.

interpreter  posted on  2017-01-08   17:35:12 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#150. To: interpreter (#149)

There is no such thing as global warming dummy.

A K A Stone  posted on  2017-01-08   17:48:19 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#151. To: Deckard (#147) (Edited)

"Not exactly, but a prophetess said that when I was born."

More evidence of occultism.

Why do you keep saying that? She was the most holy, righteous person in Matagorda county and a well respected pastor. Christians like her and me who predict things have nothing to do with "occultism." (And the fact that all of our predictions have come true proves that, and it proves that there is a God). And the starguide you alluded to earlier was given to us by Jesus (in Rev. 1). Do you honestly think Jesus is part of the occult? You are loco en la cabeza.

interpreter  posted on  2017-01-08   17:55:07 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#152. To: A K A Stone (#150) (Edited)

There is no such thing as global warming dummy.

That takes the cake. Denying very obvious scientific facts proves that you are crazy (beyond a shadow of a doubt).

interpreter  posted on  2017-01-08   17:58:23 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#153. To: interpreter (#152)

You tell a lot of lies.

Prove your liberal propaganda of globullshit warming.

You can't because you have the mind of a 12 year old.

A K A Stone  posted on  2017-01-08   20:31:31 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#154. To: A K A Stone (#150)

There is no such thing as global warming dummy.

Not man made global warming, anyway.

I'm the infidel... Allah warned you about. كافر المسلح

GrandIsland  posted on  2017-01-08   21:36:36 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#155. To: GrandIsland (#154)

Take yourself as an example: exclusion. You are so full of hot aire, it takes a ton of cow manure to hold you down.

buckeroo  posted on  2017-01-08   21:51:25 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#156. To: buckeroo (#155)

Take yourself as an example: exclusion. You are so full of hot aire, it takes a ton of cow manure to hold you down.

And you are so full of Stinky Peter Puffer's man goo, your chin and ass looks like the back and front door to a Helmans mayonnaise factory.

I'm the infidel... Allah warned you about. كافر المسلح

GrandIsland  posted on  2017-01-08   22:12:16 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#157. To: GrandIsland (#156)

Since you have so much personal knowledge about sneakypete, you must have sexually abused him, yourself.

buckeroo  posted on  2017-01-08   22:44:14 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#158. To: buckeroo (#157)

sneakypete

It's Stinky Peter Puffer. He puffs the Peter... and so does 40% of his family. He's the Peter Puffer patriarch. lol

I'm the infidel... Allah warned you about. كافر المسلح

GrandIsland  posted on  2017-01-09   8:01:20 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#159. To: A K A Stone (#124)

"As for predicting Montenegro would join NATO in 2016," You were wrong again. About the Serbs also. You said 2016. You are a liar.

In the latest news, the US Senate will vote on Montenegro joining NATO today, Jan 11. So I missed my original prediction by 11 days.

But actually I did not miss it because I always qualify my predictions by saying I am sometimes a year or two ahead of God's timetable. And when I do miss the year, it is usually by a few days or a few weeks or at the most by a few months, and never two years. I only put that is there to cover the very very remote possibility I am off by that much. It has never happened though and I pretty certain it never will happen.

interpreter  posted on  2017-01-11   8:49:27 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#160. To: interpreter (#159)

But actually I did not miss it because I always qualify

I never read any prophets in the Bible that qualified their statements.

You are a legend in your own mind.

A K A Stone  posted on  2017-01-11   10:27:44 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#161. To: A K A Stone (#160)

I never read any prophets in the Bible that qualified their statements.

You are a legend in your own mind.

LOL. That's because they didn't provide any dates whatsoever. Their predictions sometimes came to pass within a year or two, and sometimes hundreds or thousands of years later. But nowadays, because of all the skeptical atheists (and skeptical futurists like you) I have to go farther than any prophet has ever gone before.

interpreter  posted on  2017-01-11   13:31:09 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#162. To: interpreter (#161) (Edited)

I have to go farther than any prophet has ever gone before.

To avoid reality. There is no testing your mentality because you argue your predictions might come true 1,000 years from now.

rlk  posted on  2017-01-11   14:16:32 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#163. To: interpreter (#161)

Except for the fact you said X Y and Z would happen last year.

A K A Stone  posted on  2017-01-11   18:13:48 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#164. To: GrandIsland, Y'all (#158)

To GrandIsland (#156) ------- Since you have so much personal knowledge about sneakypete, you must have sexually abused him, yourself. ----- buckeroo

It's Stinky Peter Puffer. He puffs the Peter... and so does 40% of his family. He's the Peter Puffer patriarch. lol ----- GrandIsland

The laughs on grandi, -- like most closet copdreaming/homos, he makes it obvious that he's obsessed with sucking up.

Damn sham that sneakypete, one of the few real good guys on LF, no longer posts here.

tpaine  posted on  2017-01-11   20:10:27 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#165. To: tpaine (#164)

On January 1 a number of new laws will go into effect and many of them are quite alarming. For example, SB 277 which will require most children to obtain full vaccination by July so they can attend school in September. This is controversial seeing as to how many of these vaccinations have the potential of causing more harm than good. However, in light of the fact that California embraces illegal aliens from Mexico and other third world nations that carry numerous diseases it probably makes sense. Like I said, California USED to be a fantastic state.

Another new law that catches my eye is SB 707 which bans concealed firearms from college campuses and K-12 school grounds. This makes sense to liberals only. They think that criminals will see this new law and, in order to not break this law will not enter schools. In reality it leaves our children completely unprotected sitting ducks. I guess teachers and administration can shoot spit-wads at the left-wing wackos that want to shoot up schools.

Still another new law has been passed which is absolutely ridiculous for many reasons. SB 172 which dictates that High school seniors will receive their diploma whether or not they pass or even take an exit exam; the law also applies retroactively to students who have graduated since 2004. This one is liberalism at it’s finest.

At face value I suppose it seems harmless enough but let’s take a look at what’s really wrong with this liberal picture.

My esteemed colleague, Michele Hickford over at Allen B.West does a great job of breaking it down.

As we’ve discussed here many times, if progressives want to ensure “equality of outcomes” for all, why even bother having sporting events? Why is California hosting the Super Bowl on February 7th? What difference does it make who wins? Everyone is a winner.

How can businesses properly evaluate prospective employees when “high school diploma” is required if it is essentially meaningless? Who does this actually help? Certainly not the students who “graduated” without mastering any basic skills.

But you can bet there will be a ginormous outcry when companies looking for entry-level employees start requiring application exams to determine if candidates can actually read and write beyond the 8th grade level.

So why stop at high school diplomas? Who needs a college degree? Why require physicians, accountants and lawyers to take exams to prove their knowledge? Or is California simply admitting its public education system is so worthless that a diploma from one of its high schools is as well?

She nails it there. This is completely absurd and serves no purpose other than to make underachievers feel equal. Reality says otherwise. But liberals don’t live in reality. They live in some distorted utopia that is virtually non-existent.

Piece by piece our nation is being dismantled by the sickness of ‘progressive’ liberalism. The United States didn’t become the most powerful nation in the world by being weak and passive. We demanded the best of the best. From our manufactured goods to our military we produced the best. Strength through superiority. But these days being superior is somehow offensive to liberals.

Our country is in a severe state of moral decline. Here is another example.

AB 329 makes participation in sex education courses mandatory for students unless parents opt-out, would also inculcate the teaching of a fluid gender identity.

Fluid gender identity… I guess that this addresses men that think they are really women and vice-versa. I can’t help but think of the lyrics to the “All In The Family’ television series. Archie Bunker really knew what he was talking about lol.

One last law that was passed AB 1014 which will permit family members to obtain a restraining order to keep relatives who might commit gun violence from owning a gun.

How's libtarded KOOKIFONIA working out for you?

Lmao.

I'm the infidel... Allah warned you about. كافر المسلح

GrandIsland  posted on  2017-01-11   20:49:03 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#166. To: GrandIsland (#165)

How's libtarded KOOKIFONIA working out for you?

Millons of conservative Californians, like me, are working against a liberal majority.

Which has little to do with sick bastards, like you, infesting LF. --- How is being a clown working out for you?

tpaine  posted on  2017-01-12   13:16:00 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


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