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Title: Conservative Christians pan 'prosperity gospel' Trump inaugural preacher
Source: Washington Examiner
URL Source: http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/c ... ral-preacher/article/2610564#!
Published: Jan 2, 2017
Author: W. James Antle III
Post Date: 2017-01-02 09:54:21 by Willie Green
Keywords: None
Views: 20749
Comments: 166

Prominent conservative Christians are up in arms about President-elect Trump's choice of a controversial televangelist to deliver one of the prayers at his inauguration on Jan. 20.

Florida's Paula White, age 50, will join Franklin Graham, Cardinal Timothy Dolan, Rabbi Marvin Hier of the Simon Wiesenthal Center and other religious leaders in participating in the Trump inaugural festivities. Unlike the others, White is a proponent of the "prosperity gospel" — the belief that God blesses the faithful with health and wealth — who has come under attack for her theology, marital history and finances.

"Paula White is a trinity denying heretic," wrote conservative Christian commentator Erick Erickson. "She rejects the Council of Nicaea's creed that every Christian accepts. To reject the orthodoxy of the Nicene Creed is to reject Christianity itself."

"Paula White is a charlatan and recognized as a heretic by every orthodox Christian, of whatever tribe," echoed Russell Moore of the Southern Baptist Convention's Ethics and Religious Liberty Commission.

"Paula White has a long history of bankruptcies, failed business ventures, and unsuccessful marriages, which makes her the perfect choice to deliver a prayer on behalf a president-elect who has proudly proclaimed that he's never felt the need to ask forgiveness from God for anything," complained Paula Bolyard in a post titled "Twice Divorced Paula White Praying at Trump Inaugural Exactly What We Expected."

White delivered the benediction on the first day of the Republican National Convention in Cleveland in July, where Trump was nominated for president.

The loudest voices against White are anti-Trump evangelicals who have been warning their coreligionists against the president-elect since the campaign. But many Christians regard the prosperity gospel as incompatible with Scripture and view pastors who promote it as likely to take financial advantage of their flocks.

White has drawn attention for her own lavish lifestyle, as the owner of expensive homes (including an apartment at Trump Towers) and cars. The Tampa Tribune reported that her broadcast business earned between $50,000 to $80,000 a week while a decade ago she and her then-husband were taking compensating ranging from $600,000 to $1.5 million a year.

Erickson argues that her theological problems go beyond the prosperity gospel to rejecting core Christian doctrines agreed upon across denominations, as evidenced by comments she made to worshippers that were captured on video.

"The President of the United States putting a heretic on stage who claims to believe in Jesus, but does not really believe in Jesus, risks leading others astray," he wrote. "Christians have an obligation to speak in defense of their faith. Trump letting this heretic pray in Jesus's name should offend every Bible believing Christian."

"I'd rather a Hindu pray on Inauguration Day and not risk the souls of men, than one whose heresy lures in souls with promises of comfort only to damn them in eternity," Erickson concluded. "At least no one would mistake a Hindu, a Buddhist, or an atheist with being a representative of Christ's kingdom."

In the "What We Believe" section of the website for White's ministry, she explicitly affirms a belief in the trinity.

While much of the organized Christian right supported Ted Cruz or Marco Rubio in the Republican primaries, Trump made peace with these organizations by promising to appoint conservative judges and generally hew to a socially conservative agenda.

Trump won 80 percent of white born-again or evangelical Christians, according to the exit polls. That was better than not only Mitt Romney, a Mormon, in 2012, but also evangelical George W. Bush in 2004.

But the president-elect had natural appeal to prosperity gospel preachers, as his own self-help advice is a more secularized version of that message. Trump's parents attended a church pastored by Norman Vincent Peale, the Methodist turned Reformed author of "The Power of Positive Thinking."

Peale's teachings were a precursor of sorts to the prosperity gospel. The preacher, who died in 1993, performed Trump's wedding to his first wife Ivana. Peale's successor presided over Trump's wedding to his second wife Marla Maples.

The prosperity gospel is also an opening to broaden Trump's appeal across racial lines, as the tradition has made inroads in the black church. White herself has led a megachurch with a predominantly black congregation.

White chairs Trump's evangelical advisory board. She has organized meetings between Trump and other pastors. White is one of six clergy scheduled to pray, speak or read at Trump's inaugural, including some who have disagreed with the president-elect on immigration.

White's second husband was the evangelist Randy White, with whom she partnered in ministry. Her current husband is Jonathan Cain, a member of the rock band Journey.


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#70. To: All (#63)

PS I forgot to add that Saddam Hussein said the main reason he dried up the Euphrates was to bring about (or prepare the way for) the Battle of Ar Mageddon (which the Koran says Muslims will win). That's why he named the canal he dug to drain it the "Mother of All Battles River." So either way you look at it, Saddam prepared the way for (and the vector pointing to) the demon-possessed kings of the east. There was one king who actually crossed the dried up Euphrates and that was Saddam himself. So the prophecy was fulfilled three ways, as are most of the prophesies in the Revelation in order to leave no doubt about their fulfillment (except when it comes to die-hard futurists like the ones on this thread who incredulously and automatically deny ALL of the obvious fulfillments of EVERYTHING in the Revelation).

interpreter  posted on  2017-01-05   14:54:07 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#71. To: interpreter (#65)

Try being a man and ping me when you speak poorly of me.

You are a false prophet. Your comments are devoid of Christian charity.

I attacked your concepts, not you personally. Thank you for revealing yourself.

redleghunter  posted on  2017-01-05   14:56:02 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#72. To: A K A Stone (#66)

Your pastist view of revelation is telling. There was no thousand year reign. It's almost like when the beast antichrist comes you will think he is Jesus.

Hide and watch. The glorious 1000 year reign of the Church will begin either this year or next year.

interpreter  posted on  2017-01-05   14:59:32 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#73. To: A K A Stone (#67)

You stated a lot of things.

Which are the well known facts that everyone including the CIA accepts?

For one thing, the CIA says the lower 50 miles of the Euphrates was dry for about 10 years, yet Redleg denies that it was ever dry. Also, the CIA (and everyone else on earth) says Raqqa is the capital of ISIS, and yet the Redleg incredibly denies that too.

interpreter  posted on  2017-01-05   15:10:53 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#74. To: A K A Stone (#66)

Your pastist view of revelation is telling. There was no thousand year reign. It's almost like when the beast antichrist comes you will think he is Jesus.

Precisely. This theory of prophecy is very convenient for use by a one world leader who rises to claim he is "God."

All Historicist theologians believe the world will be converted via evangelism of the Gospel. Not the sword. Not even the dominionism movement believes this. They believe seizing political power through elections and evangelism will convince the world to become Christian. Still a far out view but they don't promote violence to obtain the Kingdom.

Every Biblical reference of the Return of Messiah or Day of The Lord, has God directly issuing justice with Revelation 19 depicting the conquering King Jesus Christ.

It goes back to Luke 4 where Jesus firmly establishes His Mission in the First Advent:

Luke 4: KJV

16 And he came to Nazareth, where he had been brought up: and, as his custom was, he went into the synagogue on the sabbath day, and stood up for to read.

17 And there was delivered unto him the book of the prophet Esaias. And when he had opened the book, he found the place where it was written,

18 The Spirit of the Lord is upon me, because he hath anointed me to preach the gospel to the poor; he hath sent me to heal the brokenhearted, to preach deliverance to the captives, and recovering of sight to the blind, to set at liberty them that are bruised,

19 To preach the acceptable year of the Lord.

20 And he closed the book, and he gave it again to the minister, and sat down. And the eyes of all them that were in the synagogue were fastened on him.

21 And he began to say unto them, This day is this scripture fulfilled in your ears.

Jesus partially read the prophecy from Isaiah 61. Let's look...

Isaiah 61: King James Version (KJV)

61 The Spirit of the Lord God is upon me; because the Lord hath anointed me to preach good tidings unto the meek; he hath sent me to bind up the brokenhearted, to proclaim liberty to the captives, and the opening of the prison to them that are bound;

2 To proclaim the acceptable year of the Lord, and the day of vengeance of our God; to comfort all that mourn;

3 To appoint unto them that mourn in Zion, to give unto them beauty for ashes, the oil of joy for mourning, the garment of praise for the spirit of heaviness; that they might be called trees of righteousness, the planting of the Lord, that he might be glorified.

4 And they shall build the old wastes, they shall raise up the former desolations, and they shall repair the waste cities, the desolations of many generations.

5 And strangers shall stand and feed your flocks, and the sons of the alien shall be your plowmen and your vinedressers.

6 But ye shall be named the Priests of the Lord: men shall call you the Ministers of our God: ye shall eat the riches of the Gentiles, and in their glory shall ye boast yourselves.(KJV)

Notice where Jesus stops. The remainder of the Isaiah 61 prophecy will be fulfilled in His Second Advent.

Notice it is called the day of vengeance of our God.

redleghunter  posted on  2017-01-05   15:19:59 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#75. To: redleghunter (#71)

Try being a man and ping me when you speak poorly of me.

You are a false prophet. Your comments are devoid of Christian charity.

I attacked your concepts, not you personally. Thank you for revealing yourself.

How can anyone help but speak poorly of someone who denies virtually every fact about Iraq even when you are there looking straight at them? And no one in their right mind can possibly say I am a false prophet when EVERYTHING I have predicted in the last 25 years has come to pass. You cannot name one thing I have predicted that did not come true. And nothing, not one thing, that futurists have been predicting for 25+ years has ever come true as far as I know. So who is the false prophet(s)? In Old Testament days, all of today's futurists would have been stoned to death for making even one false prophecy, and definitely for making hundreds of them.

interpreter  posted on  2017-01-05   15:28:59 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#76. To: interpreter (#73)

For one thing, the CIA says the lower 50 miles of the Euphrates was dry for about 10 years, yet Redleg denies that it was ever dry. Also, the CIA (and everyone else on earth) says Raqqa is the capital of ISIS, and yet the Redleg incredibly denies that too.

50 miles!? I crossed the Euprates in Sothern Iraq several times between 2003 and 2010. Also by Blackhawk and Chinook.

The canals and marsh land were a mess at times but not completely dry. The Iranians were using small boats in the marshes to smuggle in EFP IED components.

Revelation 16: KJV

12 And the sixth angel poured out his vial upon the great river Euphrates; and the water thereof was dried up, that the way of the kings of the east might be prepared.

13 And I saw three unclean spirits like frogs come out of the mouth of the dragon, and out of the mouth of the beast, and out of the mouth of the false prophet.

14 For they are the spirits of devils, working miracles, which go forth unto the kings of the earth and of the whole world, to gather them to the battle of that great day of God Almighty.(KJV)

When the entire great river Euphrates dries up as indicated in Revelation 16, give me a holler. Also when the kings of the earth and of the whole world can cross the mud puddles you fixate over, give me a holler.

How you conclude the grubby death cult from Mosul funded and led by Al Douri is the sum total of the kings of the East, is quite a stretch.

redleghunter  posted on  2017-01-05   15:37:52 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#77. To: interpreter (#73)

For one thing, the CIA says the lower 50 miles of the Euphrates was dry for about 10 years, yet Redleg denies that it was ever dry. Also, the CIA (and everyone else on earth) says Raqqa is the capital of ISIS, and yet the Redleg incredibly denies that too.

link please sir.

A K A Stone  posted on  2017-01-05   15:40:30 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#78. To: interpreter (#75)

How can anyone help but speak poorly of someone who denies virtually every fact about Iraq even when you are there looking straight at them? And no one in their right mind can possibly say I am a false prophet when EVERYTHING I have predicted in the last 25 years has come to pass. You cannot name one thing I have predicted that did not come true. And nothing, not one thing, that futurists have been predicting for 25+ years has ever come true as far as I know. So who is the false prophet(s)? In Old Testament days, all of today's futurists would have been stoned to death for making even one false prophecy, and definitely for making hundreds of them.

You are going off the rails here. Futurists believe the Second Coming is yet to come. Only you and full preterists believe the Second Coming is in the past. Every credal Christian church is awaiting the Return of Jesus Christ in Glory.

Sure there were individuals who predicted Armageddon in their time. They broke the very first rule of Acts 1:

Acts 1: KJV

6 When they therefore were come together, they asked of him, saying, Lord, wilt thou at this time restore again the kingdom to Israel?

7 And he said unto them, It is not for you to know the times or the seasons, which the Father hath put in his own power.

8 But ye shall receive power, after that the Holy Ghost is come upon you: and ye shall be witnesses unto me both in Jerusalem, and in all Judaea, and in Samaria, and unto the uttermost part of the earth.

9 And when he had spoken these things, while they beheld, he was taken up; and a cloud received him out of their sight.

10 And while they looked stedfastly toward heaven as he went up, behold, two men stood by them in white apparel;

11 Which also said, Ye men of Galilee, why stand ye gazing up into heaven? this same Jesus, which is taken up from you into heaven, shall so come in like manner as ye have seen him go into heaven.

12 Then returned they unto Jerusalem from the mount called Olivet, which is from Jerusalem a sabbath day's journey.(KJV)

Pretty simple. The mission given to the disciples was not to concern themselves with timing BUT the mission at hand...The spreading of the Gospel.

Please take this mission to heart.

Taking your minimalist approach to Biblical prophetic passages and geopolitics, anyone could self fulfill any sneeze by Putin. Your approach seeks only to glorify you and not God.

redleghunter  posted on  2017-01-05   15:53:32 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#79. To: redleghunter (#74) (Edited)

Yeah, you read the parts of Luke that you like, but you won't read Luke 19:27. Or the history books which say Jesus returned in 312 AD. Or Revelation 2:7, 2:11, 2:17, 2:26-29, 3:5-6, 3:12-13, 3:21-22, and many other verses in the Revelation that urge Christians to conquer. And the original Greek word means military conquest, yet many faulty Bibles substitute a much milder "overcome." To see what happens to those translators, see Rev 22:18- 19. If you want to know what the Revelation really says, you have to buy my book.

As for what Jesus said in Acts 1:7, that is no longer true. After the fact we now know the day, the hour and minute everything in the Revelation was fulfilled up until Rev 20.

And we are supposed to "self fulfill" everything in the Revelation. It's all up to us because God follows the Star Trek directive. He only only interferes with life on earth when he deems it to be necessary. The next interference will be a thousand years from now when we will have burned up the earth and killed everyone on it.

interpreter  posted on  2017-01-05   16:11:15 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#80. To: redleghunter (#76) (Edited)

50 miles!? I crossed the Euprates in Sothern Iraq several times between 2003 and 2010. Also by Blackhawk and Chinook.

And it wasn't dry then because as soon we invaded Iraq the lower Euphrates was restored (by the swamp arabs who have lived there since the days of Adam and Eve). (And don't tell me George W didn't do a lot of good).

"Also when the kings of the earth and of the whole world can cross the mud puddles you fixate over, give me a holler."

I have repeatedly told you that the Revelation doesn't say anyone actually crosses the dried-up Euphrates, and I have repeatedly told you what the Revelation IS saying, and its double fulfillment yet you continue to post the same old crap like a broken record. What in the world is wrong with you?

interpreter  posted on  2017-01-05   16:44:08 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#81. To: A K A Stone (#77)

"For one thing, the CIA says the lower 50 miles of the Euphrates was dry for about 10 years, yet Redleg denies that it was ever dry. Also, the CIA (and everyone else on earth) says Raqqa is the capital of ISIS, and yet the Redleg incredibly denies that too."

link please sir.

See post #44

interpreter  posted on  2017-01-05   17:01:09 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#82. To: interpreter, redleghunter (#81)

From your source.

First the Title. Dwindle doesn't equal dry up.

"Iraq Suffers as the Euphrates River Dwindles"

Then these from the article you suggested.

"and years of misuse by Iraq and its farmers, the river is significantly smaller than it was just a few years ago." Recently, the Water Ministry announced that Turkey had doubled the water flow into the Euphrates, salvaging the planting phase of the rice season in some areas."

"The Sunni areas upriver seem to have enough water, Mr. Joda observed,"

"

"Throughout the marshes, the reed gatherers, standing on land they once floated over, cry out to visitors in a passing boat."

A K A Stone  posted on  2017-01-05   18:33:43 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#83. To: A K A Stone (#82)

From your source.

First the Title. Dwindle doesn't equal dry up.

"Iraq Suffers as the Euphrates River Dwindles"

Then these from the article you suggested.

"and years of misuse by Iraq and its farmers, the river is significantly smaller than it was just a few years ago." Recently, the Water Ministry announced that Turkey had doubled the water flow into the Euphrates, salvaging the planting phase of the rice season in some areas."

"The Sunni areas upriver seem to have enough water, Mr. Joda observed,"

"

"Throughout the marshes, the reed gatherers, standing on land they once floated over, cry out to visitors in a passing boat."

Exactly. The miracles in the Bible are of grand scale and put people in awe.

They testify of His Power and Glory.

redleghunter  posted on  2017-01-05   18:40:18 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#84. To: redleghunter (#83)

From your source. First the Title. Dwindle doesn't equal dry up.

"Iraq Suffers as the Euphrates River Dwindles"

Then these from the article you suggested.

"and years of misuse by Iraq and its farmers, the river is significantly smaller than it was just a few years ago." Recently, the Water Ministry announced that Turkey had doubled the water flow into the Euphrates, salvaging the planting phase of the rice season in some areas."

"The Sunni areas upriver seem to have enough water, Mr. Joda observed,"

"Throughout the marshes, the reed gatherers, standing on land they once floated over, cry out to visitors in a passing boat."

And none of that has anything whatsoever to do with what the CIA said. The 2nd and 3rd sources have to with a very brief drying up of the Euphrates in 2009 and 2012 or 2013 I think, but it is completely immaterial because those two instances have nothing to do with what the CIA said about the first drying up of the Euphrates which is what the Revelation is talking about. The CIA, my first source, says the Euphrates where Hussein dried it up was dry for at least 10 years, from 1994 to 2003 when the swamp Arabs restored it as soon as Hussein was toppled. Other sources say it went dry a year or two before the CIA picked up on it, but I figured I would quote the CIA because everyone believes the CIA (except the Redleg evidently). My main point is, it was dry on 9/11 when Ar Mageddon began. And the mid-point of where it dried up forms a vector with Jerusalem that very precisely points to the 4 demon-possessed kings of the east the Revelation is talking about. And no they don't cross the dried-up Euphrates but they do gather all the world to that spot. It is the epicenter of the Battle of Ar Mageddon. And a fellow Jew, Joel Rosenberg, is saying the exact same thing I am saying. All Jews know what Ar Mageddon means. Ar Mageddo means City of the Sanctuary, meaning a city (Baghdad) in the original sanctuary of God called the Garden of Eden where modern man was created. Also called Mesopotamia in the secular world it is where the first civilized man appeared. Adding an "n" to it means "and environs" (meaning the entire sanctuary which includes all of Iraq and Syria). And that is where all the world is being gathered to as we speak, just as prophesied.

interpreter  posted on  2017-01-05   21:49:08 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#85. To: interpreter (#84)

And none of that has anything whatsoever to do with what the CIA said.

Then why did you provide that as your link when I asked you for proof?

It was your link goofy.

A K A Stone  posted on  2017-01-05   22:44:05 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#86. To: interpreter (#44)

1. A University of Texas map, based on aerial photos of Iraq and dated June 1994, shows the lower fifty miles of the Euphrates as being completely dry. It is included in a CIA report titled, “The Destruction of Iraq’s Marshes”

Again your source says partially dried up. Only fifty miles. Assuming your source is accurate.

The Length of the Euphrates is 1,740 miles. That means 2.8735632183908044 percent of it was dry.

The Bible says in Revelation 16:12-15King James Version (KJV)

12 And the sixth angel poured out his vial upon the great river Euphrates; and the water thereof was dried up,

It doesn't say 2.8735632183908044 percent of it will dry up. It says it will dry up.

You're a joke and a clown.

A K A Stone  posted on  2017-01-05   22:55:32 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#87. To: redleghunter (#58)

Considering AD 312 was not the Return of Christ, means He is yet to come.

So you are denying what all history books say? (Or at least what all history books used to say before atheists and the Satanic ACLU forced historians to rewrite history)?

interpreter  posted on  2017-01-05   23:47:53 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#88. To: A K A Stone (#85) (Edited)

Then why did you provide that as your link when I asked you for proof?

It was your link goofy.

I only provided the 2nd and 3rd links because the dates they said the Euphrates dried up corresponded to two additional bad things that happened when the Euphrates dried up. But they are by no means the main event. The main event is 9/11 which happened the first time the Euphrates dried up, and as documented in my first link Mr. Goofystone.

interpreter  posted on  2017-01-05   23:57:11 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#89. To: A K A Stone, redleghunter (#86)

Man, Pebbles, you and redleg are getting smoked by Nostradamus Jr.

Thanks for the entertainment.

Fred Mertz  posted on  2017-01-06   0:08:19 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#90. To: Fred Mertz (#89)

Stop eating the mushrooms where the dog takes a tinkle. The results are showing.

redleghunter  posted on  2017-01-06   0:25:24 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#91. To: A K A Stone (#86)

Again your source says partially dried up. Only fifty miles. Assuming your source is accurate.

The Length of the Euphrates is 1,740 miles. That means 2.8735632183908044 percent of it was dry.

The Bible says in Revelation 16:12-15King James Version (KJV)

12 And the sixth angel poured out his vial upon the great river Euphrates; and the water thereof was dried up,

It doesn't say 2.8735632183908044 percent of it will dry up. It says it will dry up.

You're a joke and a clown.

You are a bald face liar. And I can easily prove it, but I dont have the map in question on my new computer, a laptop, and I guess I will have to retrieve my old desktop from my mini-warehouse and fire it up and post the UT/CIA map on LF just for you Mr. Goofy and for Mr. Red herring. But is a huge map and I'm not sure you will be able to read it after it is shrunk down enough to fit on this site, but it very plainly says that 50 miles of the Euphrates was COMPLETELY dry. And if you guys don't believe the CIA, you are completely hopeless and I am not going to continue this ridiculous conversation for another minute.

interpreter  posted on  2017-01-06   0:33:26 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#92. To: interpreter (#91)

And if you guys don't believe the CIA, you are completely hopeless and I am not going to continue this ridiculous conversation for another minute.

No I don't trust the CIA. They tried fooling Soldiers and Airmen into killing an innocent man and his family in Iraq.

redleghunter  posted on  2017-01-06   1:43:53 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#93. To: interpreter (#91)

You are a bald face liar.

Where did I lie. I quoted from your link. Then I did the math.

You are a stupid person. A clown. Someone to laugh at not be listened to. No serious person thinks highly of you.

You have never predicted anything correctly. Not once. Not even what time the sun rises.

You are so dumb you think that people seen in boats (your source) means it is dried up. Here is a clue for you dimwit. I* there is a boat on the river. There is water there.

Why would you need some alleged computer in some alleged warehouse? Don't you know how to use google to find maps? You're a clown and you're full of shit.

You don't lead people to christ. You lead them away. You make chrisians look stupid. But it is just you that is stupid. You are also a liar.

A K A Stone  posted on  2017-01-06   9:17:16 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#94. To: interpreter (#91)

And if you guys don't believe the CIA, you are completely hopeless

If you believer the CIA you don't believe Jesus. You are a false teacher, a hell log.

A K A Stone  posted on  2017-01-06   9:18:08 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#95. To: interpreter (#91)

And if you guys don't believe the CIA, you are completely hopeless and I am not going to continue this ridiculous conversation for another minute.

You've been exposed as a fraud. That is what frauds do. They run along somewhere else to try and fool someone else with their gypsy tactics.

So go ahead run along coward liar.

A K A Stone  posted on  2017-01-06   9:21:08 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#96. To: A K A Stone (#93) (Edited)

Where did I lie. I quoted from your link. Then I did the math.

Why would you need some alleged computer in some alleged warehouse? Don't you know how to use google to find maps? You're a clown and you're full of shit.

You did not copy from my first link, which is the University of Teas/ CIA map of where Saddam Hussein dried up the Euphrates. It is that drying up of the Euphrates, when it was bone dry for 10+ years, that the Revelation is talking about.

The reason I need to fire up my old computer is because that map was removed from the internet over 13 years ago, Mr. Goofystone, when the US toppled Saddam and the swamp Arabs immediately restored the Euphrates. But it is still available in the UT and CIA archives. If you want to see it, just call up the University of Texas like I did, and they will tell you how to download it. There is not room on my boat to hook up my huge desktop, and my daughter told me she doesn't have room for it either, so if you want to see it, you will have to call the U of T, or the CIA. You do have a phone don't you?

interpreter  posted on  2017-01-06   11:35:35 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#97. To: interpreter (#96)

You did not copy from my first link,

Everything I said was from links you provided. Your links said you are full of it.

The Euphrates is over a thousand miles long. It never dried up.

A K A Stone  posted on  2017-01-06   11:50:52 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#98. To: A K A Stone (#93) (Edited)

You don't lead people to christ. You lead them away. You make chrisians look stupid. But it is just you that is stupid. You are also a liar.

You couldn't be more wrong. I have led many hundreds of people to Christ. When I was the jailhouse preacher in the Brazoria County jail, I converted virtually everyone in the Jail including the most hardened atheists in Texas. I did it by preaching entirely from the Revelation, and proving beyond a shadow of a doubt that there is a God, by showing that 85 percent of the Revelation has been fulfilled. And I told the murderers and all the violent inmates, If you still feel like killing someone, join the armed forces and kill the enemies of Jesus to your heart's content, and you will receive a mansion in heaven. And I share Mad Dog's view (the new Secretary of Defense) that killing the bad guys is fun. And many of the guys I converted are now in Iraq killing the bad guys, and having fun doing it.

I can guarantee you that not one futurist in history has the track record I have for converting people. The futurists lead people away from Christ and make Christians look stupid by predicting a bunch of crazy stuff that never comes true.

interpreter  posted on  2017-01-06   12:07:03 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#99. To: interpreter (#98)

If you still feel like killing someone, join the armed forces and kill the enemies of Jesus to your heart's content, and you will receive a mansion in heaven.

A lie.

A K A Stone  posted on  2017-01-06   12:22:05 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#100. To: interpreter (#98)

by predicting a bunch of crazy stuff that never comes true.

Like the fool who provided links to make their case. Then the links all said the Euphrates didn't dry up. Making the fool not only a fool but a liar and a false prophet.

A K A Stone  posted on  2017-01-06   12:23:31 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#101. To: A K A Stone (#97) (Edited)

Everything I said was from links you provided. Your links said you are full of it.

You are the one who is full of it. It is impossible for you to have copied anything from my first link because it was removed from the internet over 13 years ago. Like I said, it is archived and you have to call up the CIA or UT if you want to see the map of where the Euphrates was bone dry for over 10 years. I've already told you that three times. And as I have also told you 3 times, the other two links have nothing whatsoever to do with what the Revelation is talking about. I only included them because some additional bad things happened the 2nd and 3rd times the Euphrates dried up (or nearly dried up in one case). The Revelation is talking about what happened the first time the Euphrates dried up, when 9/11 occured. I have also told you that 3 times and I am getting very tired of having to repeat myself over and over, and over again. You and the Red herring are the densest people I have ever tried to talk to in my life.

interpreter  posted on  2017-01-06   12:35:07 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#102. To: A K A Stone (#99)

"If you still feel like killing someone, join the armed forces and kill the enemies of Jesus to your heart's content, and you will receive a mansion in heaven."

A lie.

Jesus does not lie. Read John 14:2, Luke 19:27, and Revelation 3:5.

Rev 3:5 says, "The one conquering, this one will be arrayed in white garments, and by no means will I blot out his name from the Book of Life, and I will confess his name before my Father, and before His angels."

Nothing can be any plainer than that.

interpreter  posted on  2017-01-06   12:56:19 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#103. To: interpreter (#102)

Here is what it really says. Revelation Chapter 3 v5 He that overcometh, the same shall be clothed in white raiment; and I will not blot out his name out of the book of life, but I will confess his name before my Father, and before his angels.

A K A Stone  posted on  2017-01-06   13:03:41 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#104. To: interpreter (#102)

More context.

Revelation 3King James Version (KJV)

3 And unto the angel of the church in Sardis write; These things saith he that hath the seven Spirits of God, and the seven stars; I know thy works, that thou hast a name that thou livest, and art dead.

2 Be watchful, and strengthen the things which remain, that are ready to die: for I have not found thy works perfect before God.

3 Remember therefore how thou hast received and heard, and hold fast, and repent. If therefore thou shalt not watch, I will come on thee as a thief, and thou shalt not know what hour I will come upon thee.

4 Thou hast a few names even in Sardis which have not defiled their garments; and they shall walk with me in white: for they are worthy.

5 He that overcometh, the same shall be clothed in white raiment; and I will not blot out his name out of the book of life, but I will confess his name before my Father, and before his angels.

6 He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches.

A K A Stone  posted on  2017-01-06   13:03:58 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#105. To: A K A Stone (#100) (Edited)

"by predicting a bunch of crazy stuff that never comes true."

Like the fool who provided links to make their case. Then the links all said the Euphrates didn't dry up. Making the fool not only a fool but a liar and a false prophet.

Why do you keep repeating the same lie over and over and over again? I've already shot it down four times.

And for 25 years, I have been accurately predicting stuff, whereas no futurist has ever got one thing right. So who is the fase prophet?

interpreter  posted on  2017-01-06   13:04:41 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#106. To: interpreter (#101)

I've already told you that three times. And as I have also told you 3 times, the other two links have nothing whatsoever to do with what the Revelation is talking about. I only included them because some additional bad things happened the 2nd and 3rd times the Euphrates dried up (or nearly dried up in one case). The Revelation is talking about what happened the first time the Euphrates dried up, when 9/11 occured.

You can repeat it 100 more times. It will not change the fact that you are wrong.

A K A Stone  posted on  2017-01-06   13:12:04 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#107. To: interpreter (#105)

The Lord has some strong warnings against adding and subtracting from the Word of God.

Deuteronomy 4:2 reads: "YE SHALL NOT ADD unto the word which I command you, NEITHER SHALL YE DIMINISH ought from it . . ."

Proverbs 30:6, reads, "ADD THOU NOT unto his words . . ."

And just in case you missed it, GOD'S LAST WARNING is Revelation 22:18,19, ". . . If any man SHALL ADD unto these things. . . And if any man shall TAKE AWAY FROM THE WORDS of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life. . ."

And Jesus Christ, in Luke 8:12, gives a clear aim of Satan, ". . . then cometh the devil, and TAKETH AWAY the word . . ."

THE ESV “TAKETH AWAY” 17 COMPLETE VERSES

As we go through this material, get your ESV Bible and please check me out. Don’t believe a word I’m writing. (see Romans 3:4) Please check me out. See the evidence for yourself. Note: Most of these examples of perversions are found in the vast majority of all the new versions. The reason they all carry these corruptions is that they are all built upon the corrupt Westcott and Hort Greek text. And the W&H text carries these thousands of distortions and deletions. Remember they’re not simply updating the King James “English” text, but they are build upon a drastically different corrupt Greek text, produced by two “admitted” heretics.

The ESV completely removes the following 17 verses:

Matthew 12:47 Then one said unto him, Behold, thy mother and thy brethren stand without, desiring to speak with thee.

Matthew 17:21 Howbeit this kind goeth not out but by prayer and fasting.

Matthew 18:11 For the Son of man is come to save that which was lost.

Matthew 23:14 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye devour widows' houses, and for a pretence make long prayer: therefore ye shall receive the greater damnation.

Mark 7:16 If any man have ears to hear, let him hear.

Mark 9:44 Where their worm dieth not, and the fire is not quenched.

Mark 9:46 Where their worm dieth not, and the fire is not quenched.

Mark 11:26 But if ye do not forgive, neither will your Father which is in heaven forgive your trespasses.

Mark 15:28 28 And the scripture was fulfilled, which saith, And he was numbered with the transgressors.

Luke 17:36 Two men shall be in the field; the one shall be taken, and the other left.

Luke 22:44 And being in an agony he prayed more earnestly: and his sweat was as it were great drops of blood falling down to the ground.

Luke 23:17 (For of necessity he must release one unto them at the feast.)

John 5:4 For an angel went down at a certain season into the pool, and troubled the water: whosoever then first after the troubling of the water stepped in was made whole of whatsoever disease he had.

Acts 8:37 And Philip said, If thou believest with all thine heart, thou mayest. And he answered and said, I believe that Jesus Christ is the Son of God.

Acts 15:34 Notwithstanding it pleased Silas to abide there still.

Acts 24:7 (note half of Acts 24:6 and 24:8 is also removed) 7 But the chief captain Lysias came upon us, and with great violence took him away out of our hands,

Acts 28:29 And when he had said these words, the Jews departed, and had great reasoning among themselves.

Romans 16:24 The grace of our Lord Jesus Christ be with you all. Amen.

After Mark 16:8 the ESV states, "Some of the earliest manuscripts do not include 16:9-20.” Zap-There goes another 12 verses. And by the way, that is absolutely untrue! The book, The Last Twelve Verses of the Gospel of Mark, by Dean Burgon contains over 400 pages of documented evidence for Mark 16:9- 20, that has never been refuted, nor ever will!

After John 7:52, the NIV, reads, "The earliest manuscripts do not include John 7:53-8:11" Zap-There goes another 12 verses!

THE ESV “TAKETH AWAY” OVER 33,000 WORDS IN JUST THE NEW TESTAMENT!

A word comparison with the New Testament of the KJB and the ESV reveals the ESV removes over a staggering 33,000 words! And that is nothing to sneeze at. That equals removing the complete books of Joel, Obadiah, Jonah, Nahum, Habakkuk, Zephaniah, Haggai, Malachi, Philippians, Colossians, 1 Thessalonians, 2 Thessalonians, 1 Timothy, 2 Timothy, Titus, Philemon, James, 1 Peter, 2 Peter, 1 John, 2 John, 3 John and Jude - combined!

That’s a huge part of your Bible that someone decided you didn’t need!

And that’s just the words ripped from the New Testament!

So much for the Lord’s stern warning against adding and taking away from His Words.

In case you think the ESV simply removes insignificant archaic words. The ESV removes “key” words and phases from hundreds of verses. The following are some examples of the words “taketh away” in the ESV. The words marked in red are removed in the ESV.

Mathew 19:9 KJB And I say unto you, Whosoever shall put away his wife, except it be for fornication, and shall marry another, committeth adultery: and whoso marrieth her which is put away doth commit adultery.

ESV And I say to you: whoever divorces his wife, except for sexual immorality, and marries another, commits adultery."

Mark 9:49 KJB For every one shall be salted with fire, and every sacrifice shall be salted with salt.

ESV For everyone will be salted with fire.

Luke 9:55-56 KJB But he turned, and rebuked them, and said, Ye know not what manner of spirit ye are of. For the Son of man is not come to destroy men's lives, but to save them. And they went to another village.

ESV But he turned and rebuked them. And they went on to another village.

Luke 22:64 KJB And when they had blindfolded him, they struck him on the face, and asked him, saying, Prophesy, who is it that smote thee?

ESV They also blindfolded him and kept asking him, "Prophesy! Who is it that struck you?"

John 3:13 KJB And no man hath ascended up to heaven, but he that came down from heaven, even the Son of man which is in heaven.

ESV No one has ascended into heaven except he who descended from heaven, the Son of Man.

John 8:59 KJB Then took they up stones to cast at him: but Jesus hid himself, and went out of the temple, going through the midst of them, and so passed by.

ESV So they picked up stones to throw at him, but Jesus hid himself and went out of the temple.

Acts 9:5 KJB And he said, Who art thou, Lord? And the Lord said, I am Jesus whom thou persecutest: it is hard for thee to kick against the pricks. And he trembling and astonished said, Lord, what wilt thou have me to do? And the Lord said unto him, Arise, and go into the city, and it shall be told thee what thou must do.

ESV And he said, "Who are you, Lord?" And he said, "I am Jesus, whom you are persecuting. But rise and enter the city, and you will be told what you are to do."

Acts 18:21 KJB But bade them farewell, saying, I must by all means keep this feast that cometh in Jerusalem: but I will return again unto you, if God will. And he sailed from Ephesus.

ESV But on taking leave of them he said, "I will return to you if God wills," and he set sail from Ephesus.

Romans 8:1 KJB There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.

ESV There is therefore now no condemnation for those who are in Christ Jesus.

Romans 13:9 KJB For this, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not kill, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness, Thou shalt not covet; and if there be any other commandment, it is briefly comprehended in this saying, namely, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.

ESV For the commandments, "You shall not commit adultery, You shall not murder, You shall not steal, You shall not covet," and any other commandment, are summed up in this word: "You shall love your neighbor as yourself."

1 Corinthians 10:28 KJB But if any man say unto you, This is offered in sacrifice unto idols, eat not for his sake that shewed it, and for conscience sake: for the earth is the Lord's, and the fulness thereof:

ESV But if someone says to you, "This has been offered in sacrifice," then do not eat it, for the sake of the one who informed you, and for the sake of conscience--

Galatians 3:1 KJB O foolish Galatians, who hath bewitched you, that ye should not obey the truth, before whose eyes Jesus Christ hath been evidently set forth, crucified among you?

ESV O foolish Galatians! Who has bewitched you? It was before your eyes that Jesus Christ was publicly portrayed as crucified.

Ephesians 3:14 KJB For this cause I bow my knees unto the Father of our Lord Jesus Christ,

ESV For this reason I bow my knees before the Father,

Titus 1:4 KJB To Titus, mine own son after the common faith: Grace, mercy, and peace, from God the Father and the Lord Jesus Christ our Saviour.

ESV To Titus, my true child in a common faith: Grace and peace from God the Father and Christ Jesus our Savior.

Hebrews 2:7 KJB Thou madest him a little lower than the angels; thou crownedst him with glory and honour, and didst set him over the works of thy hands:

ESV You made him for a little while lower than the angels; you have crowned him with glory and honor,

1 John 5:7 KJB For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one. And there are three that bear witness in earth, the Spirit, and the water, and the blood: and these three agree in one.

ESV For there are three that testify: the Spirit and the water and the blood; and these three agree.

THE ESV & THE LORD JESUS CHRIST

Among the more troubling changes in the new versions is the strategic attack on the Lord Jesus Christ. Some times the attack is small and subtle, such as removing “Lord” or “Christ,” or swipes at the virgin birth or the blood atonement. Other times, the attack is a nuclear assault, such as stripping “God” from 1 Timothy 3:16. But make no mistake – the attack is real. And most people reading just the ESV (or the other versions) never realize this sinister attack on the Lord Jesus Christ.

There’s something very special about the name of “Jesus”.

The Bible says in Acts 4:12, “Neither is there salvation in any other: for there is none other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved.” Philippians 2:10 says about the name of Jesus, “That at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of things in heaven, and things in earth, and things under the earth;” (Philippians 2:10)

And the ESV removes the precious name of “Jesus” 18 times! And believe it or not – it removes “Jesus Christ” 51 times!

And that’s not all. . . The ESV removes the word “Christ” 39 times. The “Lord” 66 times. And “God” 38 times.

In Matthew 5:22, the ESV removes “without a cause” hence making Jesus Christ (who got angry in Mark 3:5 and other places) danger of the judgment.

Matthew 5:22 KJB But I say unto you, That whosoever is angry with his brother without a cause shall be in danger of the judgment: and whosoever shall say to his brother, Raca, shall be in danger of the council: but whosoever shall say, Thou fool, shall be in danger of hell fire.

ESV But I say to you that everyone who is angry with his brother will be liable to judgment; whoever insults his brother will be liable to the council; and whoever says, 'You fool!' will be liable to the hell of fire.

That wonderful, familiar song says, “What can wash away my sins, nothing but the blood of Jesus.” Not according to the ESV. . .

The only place in the Bible that references “washing” my sins in the blood of Jesus Christ is Revelation 1:5. And the ESV replaces “wash” with “freed”. Why doesn’t the ESV and the new versions change the song to “What can free my sins”? Because they wouldn’t dare change the words of the song for respect of the author of the song – and yet they’ll change the words of God without blinking an eye!

Revelation 1:5 KJB And from Jesus Christ, who is the faithful witness, and the first begotten of the dead, and the prince of the kings of the earth. Unto him that loved us, and washed us from our sins in his own blood,

ESV and from Jesus Christ the faithful witness, the firstborn of the dead, and the ruler of kings on earth. To him who loves us and has freed us from our sins by his blood

Colossians 1:14 takes another surgical swipe at the precious blood of Jesus Christ by removing the words – “through his blood.” The ESV deliberately rips out the words “through his blood.” Salvation is ONLY “through his blood.” Hebrews 9:22, reads, ". . . without shedding of BLOOD is no remission." That old song says, "What can wash away my sins, NOTHING BUT THE BLOOD OF JESUS!" But not according to the English SUBStandard Version. . .

Colossians 1:14 KJB In whom we have redemption through his blood, even the forgiveness of sins:

ESV in whom we have redemption, the forgiveness of sins.

1 Peter 4:1 removes the simple two words “for us” thus surgically amputating what Jesus Christ did “for us.”

KJB Forasmuch then as Christ hath suffered for us in the flesh, arm yourselves likewise with the same mind: for he that hath suffered in the flesh hath ceased from sin;

ESV Since therefore Christ suffered in the flesh, arm yourselves with the same way of thinking, for whoever has suffered in the flesh has ceased from sin,

Hebrews 1:3 takes another subtle swipe at the blood atonement of the Lord Jesus Christ by removing the key words “by himself,” hence negating His personal sacrificial death. At the same time, the ESV muddles the incarnation of the Lord Jesus by changing “Who being the brightness of his glory, and the express image of his person” to the vague “He is the radiance of the glory of God and the exact imprint of his nature.”

KJB Who being the brightness of his glory, and the express image of his person, and upholding all things by the word of his power, when he had by himself purged our sins, sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on high;

ESV He is the radiance of the glory of God and the exact imprint of his nature, and he upholds the universe by the word of his power. After making purification for sins, he sat down at the right hand of the Majesty on high,

In Luke 13:32, the ESV robs Jesus Christ of His “perfection” and instead only allows Him to “finish my course.”

Luke 13:32 KJB And he said unto them, Go ye, and tell that fox, Behold, I cast out devils, and I do cures to day and to morrow, and the third day I shall be perfected.

ESV And he said to them, "Go and tell that fox, 'Behold, I cast out demons and perform cures today and tomorrow, and the third day I finish my course.

The ESV in Philippians 2:6-7 drops an atomic bomb on the deity of the Lord Jesus Christ. One of the clearest verses in the Bible proclaiming that Jesus Christ was God in the flesh and the ESV totally changes the verse to deliberately deny the deity of Jesus Christ. The ESV changes the clear, definitive statement “thought it not robbery to be equal with God” to the exact opposite “did not count equality with God a thing to be grasped”!

KJB Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God: But made himself of no reputation, and took upon him the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men:

ESV who, though he was in the form of God, did not count equality with God a thing to be grasped, but made himself nothing, taking the form of a servant, being born in the likeness of men.

If Philippians 2 was an atomic assault on the deity and incarnation of Jesus Christ, the ESV attacks 1 Timothy 3:16 with a devastating nuclear attack. 1 Timothy 3:16 is easily the clearest declaration in the scriptures that Jesus Christ was God in the flesh, and the ESV creates a grammatical gobbled-gook to deny the deity of Jesus Christ!

1 Timothy 3:16 KJB And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory.

ESV Great indeed, we confess, is the mystery of godliness: He was manifested in the flesh, vindicated by the Spirit, seen by angels, proclaimed among the nations, believed on in the world, taken up in glory.

The ESV reads, “HE was manifested in the flesh”. So What? Everyone was “manifested in the flesh”! “He” is a pronoun that refers to a noun or antecedent. There is no antecedent in the context! The statement does not make grammatical sense. The ESV distorts I Timothy 3:16 into utter nonsense while denying the deity of Jesus Christ!

1 John 4:3 provides us a tell-tale sign to identify the spirit of the antichrist. Of course, the antichrist surely wishes this verse could be diluted to dull the reader’s discernment. And of course, the ESV grants his demonic wish by removing the key words “is come in the flesh”.

1 John 4:3 KJB And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world.

ESV and every spirit that does not confess Jesus is not from God. This is the spirit of the antichrist, which you heard was coming and now is in the world already.

Like all good Bible PerVersions the ESV perverts John 3:16 by removing the critical “begotten” and thus changing John 3:16 into a lie. Adam is called the “son of God” in Luke 3:38, there are “sons of God” in Job 1:6 and Christians are called “sons of God” in Philippians 2:15, I John 3:2- but Jesus Christ was the “only BEGOTTEN Son” By removing the critical word “begotten” -- the ESV perverts John 3:16 into a lie. The ESV also removes “begotten” in John 1:14, 1:18, 3:18 and 1 John 4:9,

John 3:16 KJB For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.

ESV "For God so loved the world, that he gave his only Son, that whoever believes in him should not perish but have eternal life.

NO LUCIFER IN THE ESV

Isaiah 14:14 reveals Satan's grandest desire, "I will be like the most High." And with a little subtle perversion - the ESV in Isaiah 14:12 grants Satan's wish.

In Isaiah 14:12, the King James Bible clearly identifies “Lucifer”. But the ESV refers to “Lucifer” as one of the titles of the Lord Jesus Christ – “Day Star” in 1 Peter 1:19 and the Morning star of Revelation 22:16.

Isaiah 14:12 KJB How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! how art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations!

ESV "How you are fallen from heaven, O Day Star, son of Dawn! How you are cut down to the ground, you who laid the nations low!

1 Peter 1:19 KJB We have also a more sure word of prophecy; whereunto ye do well that ye take heed, as unto a light that shineth in a dark place, until the day dawn, and the day star arise in your hearts:

Revelation 22:16 KJB I Jesus have sent mine angel to testify unto you these things in the churches. I am the root and the offspring of David, and the bright and morning star.

The ESV makes Lucifer the “Day Star” in Isaiah 14, and the Hebrew word for star (kokab) is not in Isaiah 14:12. Why did they do it? Hint. Read Genesis 3:1

THE QUENCHING OF HELL

The Bible says in Matt 25:41 that hell “prepared for the devil and his angels.” Now surely the Devil’s going to tone down the flames of hell. And he does, the ESV removes hell 40 times.

Get this “devil and devils” is removed a whopping 83 times in the ESV!

THE LORD’S PRAYER OR. . . THE DEVIL’S PRAYER?

As we previously witnessed the ESV surgically blurs the roles of the Lord Jesus and Satan. Another classic (and sad) case is the popular “Lord’s Prayer”. Notice the ESV removes the critical words that identify God the Father. Note: The words in read are removed from the ESV.

KJB (Luke 11:2-4) 2 And he said unto them, When ye pray, say, Our Father which art in heaven, Hallowed be thy name. Thy kingdom come. Thy will be done, as in heaven, so in earth. 3 Give us day by day our daily bread. 4 And forgive us our sins; for we also forgive every one that is indebted to us. And lead us not into temptation; but deliver us from evil.

ESV (Luke 11:2-4) 2 And he said to them, "When you pray, say: "Father, hallowed be your name. Your kingdom come. 3 Give us each day our daily bread, 4 and forgive us our sins, for we ourselves forgive everyone who is indebted to us. And lead us not into temptation."

The “Father” of the ESV is not “in heaven” and does not “deliver us from evil.” The ESV changes The Lord's Prayer in Luke 2 into the Devil's Prayer.

THE VIRGIN BIRTH

One of the loudest protests against the 1952 RSV was the attack on the virgin birth in Isaiah 7:14 by changing “virgin” to “young woman”.

Isaiah 7:14 KJB Therefore the Lord himself shall give you a sign; Behold, a virgin shall conceive, and bear a son, and shall call his name Immanuel.

Isaiah 7:14 RSV Therefore the Lord himself will give you a sign. Behold, a young woman shall conceive and bear a son, and shall call his name Immanuel.

By the way, how does “a young woman shall conceive” be a “sign”? Duh… Young woman conceive all the time. But for a “virgin” to conceive – now that’s a “sign” from the Lord.

Following the RSV’s attack on the virgin birth of Isaiah 7;14, an onslaught of Christian leaders came rushing out of the woodshed vehemently attacking the apostate RSV in 1952, even publicly burning copies of the RSV. And yet the ESV (and nearly every other new version) attack the virgin birth of the Lord Jesus Christ in Luke 2:33 by changing “Joseph” to “his father”.

Luke 2:33 KJB And Joseph and his mother marvelled at those things which were spoken of him.

ESV And his father and his mother marveled at what was said about him.

Note: Some new version defenders have sought to justify the “his father” of Luke 2:33 in the ESV with the KJB in Luke 2:48, “And when they saw him, they were amazed: and his mother said unto him, Son, why hast thou thus dealt with us? behold, thy father and I have sought thee sorrowing.” But here’s the important difference. In Luke 2:48 the Bible is quoting Mary recognizing the parental role of Joseph, but in Luke 2:33, the Holy Spirit is narrating the facts concerning the birth of the Lord Jesus Christ.

THE ATTACK ON THE WORD OF GOD. . .

Obviously, with the ESV “corrupting” the words of God like a madman possessed from hell (literally), you’d certainly expect the ESV to cover their tracks by changing “corrupt the word of God” in 2 Corinthians 2:17. (And you’re right – they did . . .) Not to be disappointed, hell’s hit man from the ESV conveniently takes care of 2 Corinthians 2:17 by quietly changing “corrupt the word of God” to “peddlers of God's word.”

2 Corinthians 2:17 KJB For we are not as many, which corrupt the word of God: but as of sincerity, but as of God, in the sight of God speak we in Christ.

ESV For we are not, like so many, peddlers of God's word, but as men of sincerity, as commissioned by God, in the sight of God we speak in Christ.

2 Timothy 2:15 contains the only command in the scriptures to “study” the word of God. Of course, the ESV crew has got to get rid of that “study”. After all, if you actually “study” your Bible you might just find out what the ESV and the Dobson-Crossway crowd is doing to the Word of God. And they just can’t allow that. Got to get rid of that “study.” So presto-magic - “study” no mo. . . Just “do you best.” Oh by the way, you no longer rightly “divide” the word of truth, you just “rightly handle”. The ESV surgically removes the only command to “study” your Bible, and rips out the only instructions on how to study it - “rightly dividing”.

2 Timothy 2:15 KJB Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.

ESV Do your best to present yourself to God as one approved, a worker who has no need to be ashamed, rightly handling the word of truth.

In Luke 4, the devil tempts the Lord Jesus Christ. And the Lord battles the devil with “the sword of the Spirit, which is the word of God” (Eph 6:17) but wait – hold the phone – it’s not in the ESV! Believe it or not (please check it out) while the Lord is battling the temptations of the devil, the ESV disarms the Lord by removing His sword! The ESV removes “but by every word of God.” Wow! Any doubt whose the mastermind pulling the strings on these new versions. . .

Luke 4:4 KJB And Jesus answered him, saying, It is written, That man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word of God.

ESV And Jesus answered him, "It is written, 'Man shall not live by bread alone.'"

To make matters even worse (and to display the total Bible stupidity of the ESV crew) the Lord Jesus is quoting Deuteronomy 8:3. The ESV obviously doesn’t even know what Deuteronomy 8:3 says. Deuteronomy 8:3 And he humbled thee, and suffered thee to hunger, and fed thee with manna, which thou knewest not, neither did thy fathers know; that he might make thee know that man doth not live by bread only, but by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of the LORD doth man live.

And Christian leaders are promoting and praising this anti-Christ mess? You read the accolades (and there’s a lot more on the ESV web site)? I suspect most of those so-called Christian leaders are not daily “reading” and “searching” their Bible (any version), they just carry it around and “use it” only when absolutely necessary. How else can you explain them praising such a wicked and open attack on the Word of God?

ESV AND SALVATION

Paul warns the Christian in 2 Corinthians 11:3 of Satan’s attempt to corrupt your minds “from the simplicity that is in Christ.”

2 Corinthians 11:3 But I fear, lest by any means, as the serpent beguiled Eve through his subtlety, so your minds should be corrupted from the simplicity that is in Christ.

And the ESV successfully carries out the serpent’s beguiling desire by corrupting “the simplicity that is in Christ.” The ESV’s corruption and confusion of the simplicity of Christ injects the deadly venom from the subtle serpent of Genesis 3:1, “Yea, hath God said. . .?”

Remember Hort despises the blood atonement of Jesus Christ labeling it “an almost universal heresy.” He also adds the “doctrine of substitution, (how that Jesus took our place (substitution) on the cross) is “an immoral and material counterfeit”:

Oct. 15th - Hort: "I entirely agree - correcting one word - with what you there say on the Atonement, having for many years believed that "the absolute union of the Christian (or rather, of man) with Christ Himself" is the spiritual truth of which the popular doctrine of substitution is an immoral and material counterfeit...Certainly nothing can be more unscriptural than the modern limiting of Christ's bearing our sins and sufferings to His death; but indeed that is only one aspect of an almost universal heresy." (Life, Vol.I, p.430).

Carrying forth Hort’s malicious attack on Christ’s “substitutionary atonement,” the ESV surgically dismantles our “complete salvation” right before your eyes. Salvation in the ESV is not a one-time finished, salvation but a process. It’s not “saved” but a continual process of “being saved.” In the ESV’s and Hort’s twisted salvation, at what point does someone actually become “saved” and no longer “being saved”?

Act 2:47 KJB Praising God, and having favour with all the people. And the Lord added to the church daily such as should be saved.

ESV praising God and having favor with all the people. And the Lord added to their number day by day those who were being saved.

1 Corinthians 1:18 KJB For the preaching of the cross is to them that perish foolishness; but unto us which are saved it is the power of God.

ESV For the word of the cross is folly to those who are perishing, but to us who are being saved it is the power of God.

1 Corinthians 15:2 KJB By which also ye are saved, if ye keep in memory what I preached unto you, unless ye have believed in vain.

ESV and by which you are being saved, if you hold fast to the word I preached to you--unless you believed in vain.

2 Corinthians 2:15 KJB For we are unto God a sweet savour of Christ, in them that are saved, and in them that perish:

ESV For we are the aroma of Christ to God among those who are being saved and among those who are perishing,

Following right along this pernicious path of “being saved” the ESV no longer allows the saved sinner to be “complete” in Jesus Christ, but merely “filled”.

Colossians 2:10 KJB And ye are complete in him, which is the head of all principality and power:

ESV and you have been filled in him, who is the head of all rule and authority.

The ESV perverts “narrow is the way” of salvation into “the way is hard”. There’s nothing “hard” about God’s wonderful way to salvation. It’s as simple as “opening a door” (John 10:9) or drinking a glass of water (John 4:14). But it is “narrow”. It’s very “narrow”. There’s only one, single, “narrow” way. Jesus Christ says in John 14:6, “Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.” Again the ESV totally changes and perverts the simple way of salvation.

Matthew 7:14 KJB Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it.

ESV For the gate is narrow and the way is hard that leads to life, and those who find it are few.

THE ENGLISH SUB-STANDARD VERSION

The English Standard Version should have been correctly named The English SUBStandard Version. In every conceivably way: easy of reading; accuracy; doctrine; honoring the Lord Jesus; truthfulness – it is SubStandard. Would any sincere Christian trade their trustworthy King James Bible for such a pitiful phony?

I think not. . . .

We’ll end our examination of the ESV with the words of the “Great Orator” himself, President Ronald Reagan. During one of Reagan’s famous radio talks, he compared the Good News Bible (also called the Good News for Modern Man and Today's English Version) to the King James Bible. Regean’s keen analysis of the Good News Bible would just as easily apply to the ESV: “The sponsors of the Good News version boast that their Bible is as readable as the daily paper – and so it is. But do readers of the daily news find themselves moved to wonder, "at the gracious words which proceeded out of his mouth"? Mr. Hanser suggests that sadly the "tinkering & general horsing around with the sacred texts will no doubt continue" as pious drudges try to get it right. "It will not dawn on them that it has already been gotten right." This is Ronald Reagan. Thanks for listening. — aired September 6, 1977

The first section, “The Foundation of the ESV”, reveals the distorted and deceitful manuscript foundation of the ESV. This section may appear too technical for many readers, but even a limited comprehension will reveal the corrupt foundation of the new versions. This section answers “why” the new versions attack the Lord Jesus Christ, hell, salvation and scores of other key Bible doctrines.

The second section, “The Fruit of the ESV”, examines the distorted text and verses within the ESV. We compare hundreds of troubling verses in the ESV with the King James Bible. You’ll witness blatant attacks on the Lord Jesus Christ, salvation, hell, the word of God and deliberate new-age-neutral- gender distortions.

A K A Stone  posted on  2017-01-06   13:12:36 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#108. To: interpreter (#105)

Why do you keep repeating the same lie over and over and over again? I've already shot it down four times.

You've done no such thing. All you have done is prove yourself to be even a bigger liar.

You have never predicted anything correctly. Not once. You are not a prophet. You are a clown.

A K A Stone  posted on  2017-01-06   13:14:18 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#109. To: A K A Stone (#103)

Here is what it really says. Revelation Chapter 3 v5 He that overcometh, the same shall be clothed in white raiment; and I will not blot out his name out of the book of life, but I will confess his name before my Father, and before his angels.

That is not even close to what Rev. 3:5 really says. Like I have already told you, most English Bibles don't even come close to translating the original Greek of the Revelation correctly. If you want to see what the Revelation really says, you have to buy my book (which I have quoted from in this case to show you guys what the Revelation really says).

interpreter  posted on  2017-01-06   13:16:21 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#110. To: interpreter (#105)

And for 25 years, I have been accurately predicting stuff, whereas no futurist has ever got one thing right. So who is the fase prophet?

But all the links you provided showed the opposite of what you were saying.

Every single link.

It is a documented fact that the Euphrates never dried up.

There 2.x percent sections that dried up. But the river itself never dried up as prophesied in revelation.

There was never a mark of the beast.

There was never a beast with a worldwide worship system no image of the beast.

All of that is in the future. The future. The future. The future. The future.

You are a fool.

A K A Stone  posted on  2017-01-06   13:17:36 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  



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