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Title: Conservative Christians pan 'prosperity gospel' Trump inaugural preacher
Source: Washington Examiner
URL Source: http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/c ... ral-preacher/article/2610564#!
Published: Jan 2, 2017
Author: W. James Antle III
Post Date: 2017-01-02 09:54:21 by Willie Green
Keywords: None
Views: 47963
Comments: 166

Prominent conservative Christians are up in arms about President-elect Trump's choice of a controversial televangelist to deliver one of the prayers at his inauguration on Jan. 20.

Florida's Paula White, age 50, will join Franklin Graham, Cardinal Timothy Dolan, Rabbi Marvin Hier of the Simon Wiesenthal Center and other religious leaders in participating in the Trump inaugural festivities. Unlike the others, White is a proponent of the "prosperity gospel" — the belief that God blesses the faithful with health and wealth — who has come under attack for her theology, marital history and finances.

"Paula White is a trinity denying heretic," wrote conservative Christian commentator Erick Erickson. "She rejects the Council of Nicaea's creed that every Christian accepts. To reject the orthodoxy of the Nicene Creed is to reject Christianity itself."

"Paula White is a charlatan and recognized as a heretic by every orthodox Christian, of whatever tribe," echoed Russell Moore of the Southern Baptist Convention's Ethics and Religious Liberty Commission.

"Paula White has a long history of bankruptcies, failed business ventures, and unsuccessful marriages, which makes her the perfect choice to deliver a prayer on behalf a president-elect who has proudly proclaimed that he's never felt the need to ask forgiveness from God for anything," complained Paula Bolyard in a post titled "Twice Divorced Paula White Praying at Trump Inaugural Exactly What We Expected."

White delivered the benediction on the first day of the Republican National Convention in Cleveland in July, where Trump was nominated for president.

The loudest voices against White are anti-Trump evangelicals who have been warning their coreligionists against the president-elect since the campaign. But many Christians regard the prosperity gospel as incompatible with Scripture and view pastors who promote it as likely to take financial advantage of their flocks.

White has drawn attention for her own lavish lifestyle, as the owner of expensive homes (including an apartment at Trump Towers) and cars. The Tampa Tribune reported that her broadcast business earned between $50,000 to $80,000 a week while a decade ago she and her then-husband were taking compensating ranging from $600,000 to $1.5 million a year.

Erickson argues that her theological problems go beyond the prosperity gospel to rejecting core Christian doctrines agreed upon across denominations, as evidenced by comments she made to worshippers that were captured on video.

"The President of the United States putting a heretic on stage who claims to believe in Jesus, but does not really believe in Jesus, risks leading others astray," he wrote. "Christians have an obligation to speak in defense of their faith. Trump letting this heretic pray in Jesus's name should offend every Bible believing Christian."

"I'd rather a Hindu pray on Inauguration Day and not risk the souls of men, than one whose heresy lures in souls with promises of comfort only to damn them in eternity," Erickson concluded. "At least no one would mistake a Hindu, a Buddhist, or an atheist with being a representative of Christ's kingdom."

In the "What We Believe" section of the website for White's ministry, she explicitly affirms a belief in the trinity.

While much of the organized Christian right supported Ted Cruz or Marco Rubio in the Republican primaries, Trump made peace with these organizations by promising to appoint conservative judges and generally hew to a socially conservative agenda.

Trump won 80 percent of white born-again or evangelical Christians, according to the exit polls. That was better than not only Mitt Romney, a Mormon, in 2012, but also evangelical George W. Bush in 2004.

But the president-elect had natural appeal to prosperity gospel preachers, as his own self-help advice is a more secularized version of that message. Trump's parents attended a church pastored by Norman Vincent Peale, the Methodist turned Reformed author of "The Power of Positive Thinking."

Peale's teachings were a precursor of sorts to the prosperity gospel. The preacher, who died in 1993, performed Trump's wedding to his first wife Ivana. Peale's successor presided over Trump's wedding to his second wife Marla Maples.

The prosperity gospel is also an opening to broaden Trump's appeal across racial lines, as the tradition has made inroads in the black church. White herself has led a megachurch with a predominantly black congregation.

White chairs Trump's evangelical advisory board. She has organized meetings between Trump and other pastors. White is one of six clergy scheduled to pray, speak or read at Trump's inaugural, including some who have disagreed with the president-elect on immigration.

White's second husband was the evangelist Randy White, with whom she partnered in ministry. Her current husband is Jonathan Cain, a member of the rock band Journey.


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#3. To: Willie Green (#0)

evangelical George W. Bush in 2004

Bush was an evangelical moron.

rlk  posted on  2017-01-02   15:42:10 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#25. To: rlk (#3)

evangelical George W. Bush in 2004 Bush was an evangelical moron.

He is not Evangelical. He's a Methodist.

The article left out quite a few facts and got a few wrong. Evangelicals actually voted 79% for Trump but 81% for Romney.

It was what is called the notional Christian vote which put Trump over the top:

Notional Christians broke for Trump

redleghunter  posted on  2017-01-04   1:41:44 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#36. To: redleghunter (#25)

evangelical George W. Bush in 2004 Bush was an evangelical moron.

He is not Evangelical. He's a Methodist.

He is, and always has been, a childish asshole.

rlk  posted on  2017-01-04   13:59:03 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#41. To: rlk (#36) (Edited)

"evangelical George W. Bush in 2004 Bush was an evangelical moron." He is not Evangelical. He's a Methodist."

He is, and always has been, a childish asshole.

Whether you call him Methodist or evangelical, the Revelation has nothing but good things to say about George W Bush because he killed the SOB who dried up the Euphrates where human life began in order to start the Battle of Ar Mageddon and get back at George Bush Sr and his son. Anyone who messes with a Christian nation must be killed Jesus says. And George Bush Jr knows the Bible very well and he correctly identified the Axis of Evil east of the Euphrates that is to start (has started) the Battle of Ar Mageddon. He is definitely not a moron, and not childish. He is very smart and knows his Bible, and was only obeying Jesus.

And the Battle of Ar Mageddon is actually good, because it will result in all the bad Muslims all over the earth being killed off just as Saddam Hussein was. Then there will be peace for a thousand years.

interpreter  posted on  2017-01-04   16:33:50 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#43. To: interpreter (#41)

Whether you call him Methodist or evangelical, the Revelation has nothing but good things to say about George W Bush because he killed the SOB who dried up the Euphrates where human life began in order to start the Battle of Ar Mageddon and get back at George Bush Sr and his son.

I pointed out to you a year ago the Euphrates did not dry up.

I believe you indicated a time frame, one in which I was actually in Iraq drinking ROPU water taken from both the Tigris and Euphrates.

Saddam did dry up some canals but the rivers kept flowing.

As in an important operations position in Iraq I think I would have also noticed millions of troops from the East pouring through Iraq.

redleghunter  posted on  2017-01-04   17:54:40 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#44. To: redleghunter (#43) (Edited)

I pointed out to you a year ago the Euphrates did not dry up.

I believe you indicated a time frame, one in which I was actually in Iraq drinking ROPU water taken from both the Tigris and Euphrates.

Saddam did dry up some canals but the rivers kept flowing.

As in an important operations position in Iraq I think I would have also noticed millions of troops from the East pouring through Iraq.

You are badly mistaken because it has dried up three times now. And every time it happens something bad happens. Here are the references I have cited in my book for the three times it dried up:

1. A University of Texas map, based on aerial photos of Iraq and dated June 1994, shows the lower fifty miles of the Euphrates as being completely dry. It is included in a CIA report titled, “The Destruction of Iraq’s Marshes” (Report Number IA 94-10020). 2. Source: www.nytimes.com/2009/07/14/world/middleeast/14euphrates.html?_r=0 3. Source: www.thetrumpet.com/article/11828.19.0.0/middle-east/turkey-dries- up-the- euphrates

The first time, 9/11 happened. The second time, the Iraqi PM ordered all our troops out of Iraq. The third time, ISIS was born.

I now have my home-boy, Jerry Kramer, a missionary from my church, keeping an eye on the Euphrates in Mosul every day and reporting to me whenever the Euphrates gets low and starts to dry up, so that I can warn everybody that something bad is about to happen.

Are you trying to tell me you did not see ISIS pouring into Iraq?

Besides pointing to Raqqa and ISIS, the spot where the Euphrates dried up 3 times forms a vector with Jerusalem that when extended eastward also points to, and bisects, Kabul and Tehran and of course Baghdad. They are the 4 capitals of the demon-possessed kings that start the Battle of Ar Mageddon. The Revelation does not say however that all of them actually cross the Euphrates. The remaining demon-possessed capital we now have to look out for is Tehran.

interpreter  posted on  2017-01-04   18:47:57 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#49. To: interpreter (#44) (Edited)

The link goes to an article from 2009. The article says dwindling and mentions the marshland drying up. The river still flowed. This is a minimalist approach to make your predictions fit current events. God has always fulfilled prophecy on a grand scale. Your eisegesis is unconvincing.

ISIS is not an Army from the East is not gathering the whole world:

Revelation 16:

12 And the sixth angel poured out his vial upon the great river Euphrates; and the water thereof was dried up, that the way of the kings of the east might be prepared.

13 And I saw three unclean spirits like frogs come out of the mouth of the dragon, and out of the mouth of the beast, and out of the mouth of the false prophet.

14 For they are the spirits of devils, working miracles, which go forth unto the kings of the earth and of the whole world, to gather them to the battle of that great day of God Almighty.

15 Behold, I come as a thief. Blessed is he that watcheth, and keepeth his garments, lest he walk naked, and they see his shame.

16 And he gathered them together into a place called in the Hebrew tongue Armageddon.

17 And the seventh angel poured out his vial into the air; and there came a great voice out of the temple of heaven, from the throne, saying, It is done.

18 And there were voices, and thunders, and lightnings; and there was a great earthquake, such as was not since men were upon the earth, so mighty an earthquake, and so great.

redleghunter  posted on  2017-01-04   22:28:06 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#50. To: redleghunter (#49) (Edited)

he link goes to an article from 2009. The article says dwindling and mentions the marshland drying up. The river still flowed. This is a minimalist approach to make your predictions fit current events. God has always fulfilled prophecy on a grand scale. Your eisegesis is unconvincing.

ISIS is not an Army from the East is not gathering the whole world:

Do you also think the University of Texas and the CIA are lying? If you do, you are hopeless and I do not intend to waste any more of my time trying to talk some sense into you. And my friend, Jerry Kramer the holiest man I know, also confirms the Euphrates was dry in Mosul one time since he has been there. He ministers to millions of refugees in Iraq just 5 or 6 miles from where all the fighting is going as we speak and his refugee camp is on the banks of the Euphrates so he oughta know. He is pleading with me and other members of my church to come to Iraq to help him feed and provide blankets for the neediest of the world's needy (or else send money). And I am considering doing both after my book starts bringing in money. Are you still in Iraq? I may see you soon. And it would be a first for me, to try to save the enemies of Jesus instead of killing them. But Jerry is doing it, so it can be done. He has converted thousands and thousands of Muslims through kindness.

And despite what you say, ISIS is definitely an army from the east. Where, pray tell, do you think Raqqa is? The "way" (or vector) formed by lining up Jerusalem with where the Euphrates keeps drying up and extending it eastward perfectly points to, and bisects Raqqa. Virtually any proposed interpretation of anything in the Revelation can easily be proven or disproven by the vectors Jesus has woven into the Revelation.

interpreter  posted on  2017-01-05   1:10:18 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#53. To: interpreter (#50)

And despite what you say, ISIS is definitely an army from the east. Where, pray tell, do you think Raqqa is? The "way" (or vector) formed by lining up Jerusalem with where the Euphrates keeps drying up and extending it eastward perfectly points to, and bisects Raqqa. Virtually any proposed interpretation of anything in the Revelation can easily be proven or disproven by the vectors Jesus has woven into the Revelation.

Al Raqqa is in Syria.

There's your first mistake. How is that even remotely connected to the kings of the east in Revelation 16?

Not even close.

So now the Euphrates is drying up in Syria?

Please get a map.

The small town of Raqqa next to Samarra Iraq is along the Tigris and not Euphrates river. If that is the Raqqa you were referring to. If so wrong river.

redleghunter  posted on  2017-01-05   3:14:09 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#55. To: redleghunter (#53)

Al Raqqa is in Syria.

There's your first mistake. How is that even remotely connected to the kings of the east in Revelation 16?

Not even close.

So now the Euphrates is drying up in Syria?

Please get a map.

The small town of Raqqa next to Samarra Iraq is along the Tigris and not Euphrates river. If that is the Raqqa you were referring to. If so wrong river.

As everyone on earth knows (except you) Raqqa is the capital of the ISIS caliphate, and the "king" (or Caliph) of ISIS lives in Raqqa. And I never said Raqqa is on the Euphrates. I said it is east of the Euphrates. Why do you twist around everything I say and say I said something I didn't say? It is very irritating, and you need to stop it or else I'm not going continue this conversation.

interpreter  posted on  2017-01-05   7:41:27 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#62. To: interpreter (#55)

He's whoopin you.

I'd take what his insight into the Bible over yours 7 days a week 365 days a year.

A K A Stone  posted on  2017-01-05   12:24:22 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#65. To: A K A Stone (#62)

He's whoopin you.

No, he's looking like an idiot for denying even the most evident of facts about Iraq and ISIS when he's there looking straight at them. And just so he can construe and twist them to agree with his futurist view of the Revelation. He is pathetic.

interpreter  posted on  2017-01-05   14:00:44 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#71. To: interpreter (#65)

Try being a man and ping me when you speak poorly of me.

You are a false prophet. Your comments are devoid of Christian charity.

I attacked your concepts, not you personally. Thank you for revealing yourself.

redleghunter  posted on  2017-01-05   14:56:02 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


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#75. To: redleghunter (#71)

Try being a man and ping me when you speak poorly of me.

You are a false prophet. Your comments are devoid of Christian charity.

I attacked your concepts, not you personally. Thank you for revealing yourself.

How can anyone help but speak poorly of someone who denies virtually every fact about Iraq even when you are there looking straight at them? And no one in their right mind can possibly say I am a false prophet when EVERYTHING I have predicted in the last 25 years has come to pass. You cannot name one thing I have predicted that did not come true. And nothing, not one thing, that futurists have been predicting for 25+ years has ever come true as far as I know. So who is the false prophet(s)? In Old Testament days, all of today's futurists would have been stoned to death for making even one false prophecy, and definitely for making hundreds of them.

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