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Title: Conservative Christians pan 'prosperity gospel' Trump inaugural preacher
Source: Washington Examiner
URL Source: http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/c ... ral-preacher/article/2610564#!
Published: Jan 2, 2017
Author: W. James Antle III
Post Date: 2017-01-02 09:54:21 by Willie Green
Keywords: None
Views: 20750
Comments: 166

Prominent conservative Christians are up in arms about President-elect Trump's choice of a controversial televangelist to deliver one of the prayers at his inauguration on Jan. 20.

Florida's Paula White, age 50, will join Franklin Graham, Cardinal Timothy Dolan, Rabbi Marvin Hier of the Simon Wiesenthal Center and other religious leaders in participating in the Trump inaugural festivities. Unlike the others, White is a proponent of the "prosperity gospel" — the belief that God blesses the faithful with health and wealth — who has come under attack for her theology, marital history and finances.

"Paula White is a trinity denying heretic," wrote conservative Christian commentator Erick Erickson. "She rejects the Council of Nicaea's creed that every Christian accepts. To reject the orthodoxy of the Nicene Creed is to reject Christianity itself."

"Paula White is a charlatan and recognized as a heretic by every orthodox Christian, of whatever tribe," echoed Russell Moore of the Southern Baptist Convention's Ethics and Religious Liberty Commission.

"Paula White has a long history of bankruptcies, failed business ventures, and unsuccessful marriages, which makes her the perfect choice to deliver a prayer on behalf a president-elect who has proudly proclaimed that he's never felt the need to ask forgiveness from God for anything," complained Paula Bolyard in a post titled "Twice Divorced Paula White Praying at Trump Inaugural Exactly What We Expected."

White delivered the benediction on the first day of the Republican National Convention in Cleveland in July, where Trump was nominated for president.

The loudest voices against White are anti-Trump evangelicals who have been warning their coreligionists against the president-elect since the campaign. But many Christians regard the prosperity gospel as incompatible with Scripture and view pastors who promote it as likely to take financial advantage of their flocks.

White has drawn attention for her own lavish lifestyle, as the owner of expensive homes (including an apartment at Trump Towers) and cars. The Tampa Tribune reported that her broadcast business earned between $50,000 to $80,000 a week while a decade ago she and her then-husband were taking compensating ranging from $600,000 to $1.5 million a year.

Erickson argues that her theological problems go beyond the prosperity gospel to rejecting core Christian doctrines agreed upon across denominations, as evidenced by comments she made to worshippers that were captured on video.

"The President of the United States putting a heretic on stage who claims to believe in Jesus, but does not really believe in Jesus, risks leading others astray," he wrote. "Christians have an obligation to speak in defense of their faith. Trump letting this heretic pray in Jesus's name should offend every Bible believing Christian."

"I'd rather a Hindu pray on Inauguration Day and not risk the souls of men, than one whose heresy lures in souls with promises of comfort only to damn them in eternity," Erickson concluded. "At least no one would mistake a Hindu, a Buddhist, or an atheist with being a representative of Christ's kingdom."

In the "What We Believe" section of the website for White's ministry, she explicitly affirms a belief in the trinity.

While much of the organized Christian right supported Ted Cruz or Marco Rubio in the Republican primaries, Trump made peace with these organizations by promising to appoint conservative judges and generally hew to a socially conservative agenda.

Trump won 80 percent of white born-again or evangelical Christians, according to the exit polls. That was better than not only Mitt Romney, a Mormon, in 2012, but also evangelical George W. Bush in 2004.

But the president-elect had natural appeal to prosperity gospel preachers, as his own self-help advice is a more secularized version of that message. Trump's parents attended a church pastored by Norman Vincent Peale, the Methodist turned Reformed author of "The Power of Positive Thinking."

Peale's teachings were a precursor of sorts to the prosperity gospel. The preacher, who died in 1993, performed Trump's wedding to his first wife Ivana. Peale's successor presided over Trump's wedding to his second wife Marla Maples.

The prosperity gospel is also an opening to broaden Trump's appeal across racial lines, as the tradition has made inroads in the black church. White herself has led a megachurch with a predominantly black congregation.

White chairs Trump's evangelical advisory board. She has organized meetings between Trump and other pastors. White is one of six clergy scheduled to pray, speak or read at Trump's inaugural, including some who have disagreed with the president-elect on immigration.

White's second husband was the evangelist Randy White, with whom she partnered in ministry. Her current husband is Jonathan Cain, a member of the rock band Journey.


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#3. To: Willie Green (#0)

evangelical George W. Bush in 2004

Bush was an evangelical moron.

rlk  posted on  2017-01-02   15:42:10 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#25. To: rlk (#3)

evangelical George W. Bush in 2004 Bush was an evangelical moron.

He is not Evangelical. He's a Methodist.

The article left out quite a few facts and got a few wrong. Evangelicals actually voted 79% for Trump but 81% for Romney.

It was what is called the notional Christian vote which put Trump over the top:

Notional Christians broke for Trump

redleghunter  posted on  2017-01-04   1:41:44 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#36. To: redleghunter (#25)

evangelical George W. Bush in 2004 Bush was an evangelical moron.

He is not Evangelical. He's a Methodist.

He is, and always has been, a childish asshole.

rlk  posted on  2017-01-04   13:59:03 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#41. To: rlk (#36) (Edited)

"evangelical George W. Bush in 2004 Bush was an evangelical moron." He is not Evangelical. He's a Methodist."

He is, and always has been, a childish asshole.

Whether you call him Methodist or evangelical, the Revelation has nothing but good things to say about George W Bush because he killed the SOB who dried up the Euphrates where human life began in order to start the Battle of Ar Mageddon and get back at George Bush Sr and his son. Anyone who messes with a Christian nation must be killed Jesus says. And George Bush Jr knows the Bible very well and he correctly identified the Axis of Evil east of the Euphrates that is to start (has started) the Battle of Ar Mageddon. He is definitely not a moron, and not childish. He is very smart and knows his Bible, and was only obeying Jesus.

And the Battle of Ar Mageddon is actually good, because it will result in all the bad Muslims all over the earth being killed off just as Saddam Hussein was. Then there will be peace for a thousand years.

interpreter  posted on  2017-01-04   16:33:50 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#43. To: interpreter (#41)

Whether you call him Methodist or evangelical, the Revelation has nothing but good things to say about George W Bush because he killed the SOB who dried up the Euphrates where human life began in order to start the Battle of Ar Mageddon and get back at George Bush Sr and his son.

I pointed out to you a year ago the Euphrates did not dry up.

I believe you indicated a time frame, one in which I was actually in Iraq drinking ROPU water taken from both the Tigris and Euphrates.

Saddam did dry up some canals but the rivers kept flowing.

As in an important operations position in Iraq I think I would have also noticed millions of troops from the East pouring through Iraq.

redleghunter  posted on  2017-01-04   17:54:40 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#44. To: redleghunter (#43) (Edited)

I pointed out to you a year ago the Euphrates did not dry up.

I believe you indicated a time frame, one in which I was actually in Iraq drinking ROPU water taken from both the Tigris and Euphrates.

Saddam did dry up some canals but the rivers kept flowing.

As in an important operations position in Iraq I think I would have also noticed millions of troops from the East pouring through Iraq.

You are badly mistaken because it has dried up three times now. And every time it happens something bad happens. Here are the references I have cited in my book for the three times it dried up:

1. A University of Texas map, based on aerial photos of Iraq and dated June 1994, shows the lower fifty miles of the Euphrates as being completely dry. It is included in a CIA report titled, “The Destruction of Iraq’s Marshes” (Report Number IA 94-10020). 2. Source: www.nytimes.com/2009/07/14/world/middleeast/14euphrates.html?_r=0 3. Source: www.thetrumpet.com/article/11828.19.0.0/middle-east/turkey-dries- up-the- euphrates

The first time, 9/11 happened. The second time, the Iraqi PM ordered all our troops out of Iraq. The third time, ISIS was born.

I now have my home-boy, Jerry Kramer, a missionary from my church, keeping an eye on the Euphrates in Mosul every day and reporting to me whenever the Euphrates gets low and starts to dry up, so that I can warn everybody that something bad is about to happen.

Are you trying to tell me you did not see ISIS pouring into Iraq?

Besides pointing to Raqqa and ISIS, the spot where the Euphrates dried up 3 times forms a vector with Jerusalem that when extended eastward also points to, and bisects, Kabul and Tehran and of course Baghdad. They are the 4 capitals of the demon-possessed kings that start the Battle of Ar Mageddon. The Revelation does not say however that all of them actually cross the Euphrates. The remaining demon-possessed capital we now have to look out for is Tehran.

interpreter  posted on  2017-01-04   18:47:57 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#86. To: interpreter (#44)

1. A University of Texas map, based on aerial photos of Iraq and dated June 1994, shows the lower fifty miles of the Euphrates as being completely dry. It is included in a CIA report titled, “The Destruction of Iraq’s Marshes”

Again your source says partially dried up. Only fifty miles. Assuming your source is accurate.

The Length of the Euphrates is 1,740 miles. That means 2.8735632183908044 percent of it was dry.

The Bible says in Revelation 16:12-15King James Version (KJV)

12 And the sixth angel poured out his vial upon the great river Euphrates; and the water thereof was dried up,

It doesn't say 2.8735632183908044 percent of it will dry up. It says it will dry up.

You're a joke and a clown.

A K A Stone  posted on  2017-01-05   22:55:32 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#91. To: A K A Stone (#86)

Again your source says partially dried up. Only fifty miles. Assuming your source is accurate.

The Length of the Euphrates is 1,740 miles. That means 2.8735632183908044 percent of it was dry.

The Bible says in Revelation 16:12-15King James Version (KJV)

12 And the sixth angel poured out his vial upon the great river Euphrates; and the water thereof was dried up,

It doesn't say 2.8735632183908044 percent of it will dry up. It says it will dry up.

You're a joke and a clown.

You are a bald face liar. And I can easily prove it, but I dont have the map in question on my new computer, a laptop, and I guess I will have to retrieve my old desktop from my mini-warehouse and fire it up and post the UT/CIA map on LF just for you Mr. Goofy and for Mr. Red herring. But is a huge map and I'm not sure you will be able to read it after it is shrunk down enough to fit on this site, but it very plainly says that 50 miles of the Euphrates was COMPLETELY dry. And if you guys don't believe the CIA, you are completely hopeless and I am not going to continue this ridiculous conversation for another minute.

interpreter  posted on  2017-01-06   0:33:26 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#93. To: interpreter (#91)

You are a bald face liar.

Where did I lie. I quoted from your link. Then I did the math.

You are a stupid person. A clown. Someone to laugh at not be listened to. No serious person thinks highly of you.

You have never predicted anything correctly. Not once. Not even what time the sun rises.

You are so dumb you think that people seen in boats (your source) means it is dried up. Here is a clue for you dimwit. I* there is a boat on the river. There is water there.

Why would you need some alleged computer in some alleged warehouse? Don't you know how to use google to find maps? You're a clown and you're full of shit.

You don't lead people to christ. You lead them away. You make chrisians look stupid. But it is just you that is stupid. You are also a liar.

A K A Stone  posted on  2017-01-06   9:17:16 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#98. To: A K A Stone (#93) (Edited)

You don't lead people to christ. You lead them away. You make chrisians look stupid. But it is just you that is stupid. You are also a liar.

You couldn't be more wrong. I have led many hundreds of people to Christ. When I was the jailhouse preacher in the Brazoria County jail, I converted virtually everyone in the Jail including the most hardened atheists in Texas. I did it by preaching entirely from the Revelation, and proving beyond a shadow of a doubt that there is a God, by showing that 85 percent of the Revelation has been fulfilled. And I told the murderers and all the violent inmates, If you still feel like killing someone, join the armed forces and kill the enemies of Jesus to your heart's content, and you will receive a mansion in heaven. And I share Mad Dog's view (the new Secretary of Defense) that killing the bad guys is fun. And many of the guys I converted are now in Iraq killing the bad guys, and having fun doing it.

I can guarantee you that not one futurist in history has the track record I have for converting people. The futurists lead people away from Christ and make Christians look stupid by predicting a bunch of crazy stuff that never comes true.

interpreter  posted on  2017-01-06   12:07:03 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#99. To: interpreter (#98)

If you still feel like killing someone, join the armed forces and kill the enemies of Jesus to your heart's content, and you will receive a mansion in heaven.

A lie.

A K A Stone  posted on  2017-01-06   12:22:05 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#102. To: A K A Stone (#99)

"If you still feel like killing someone, join the armed forces and kill the enemies of Jesus to your heart's content, and you will receive a mansion in heaven."

A lie.

Jesus does not lie. Read John 14:2, Luke 19:27, and Revelation 3:5.

Rev 3:5 says, "The one conquering, this one will be arrayed in white garments, and by no means will I blot out his name from the Book of Life, and I will confess his name before my Father, and before His angels."

Nothing can be any plainer than that.

interpreter  posted on  2017-01-06   12:56:19 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#103. To: interpreter (#102)

Here is what it really says. Revelation Chapter 3 v5 He that overcometh, the same shall be clothed in white raiment; and I will not blot out his name out of the book of life, but I will confess his name before my Father, and before his angels.

A K A Stone  posted on  2017-01-06   13:03:41 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#109. To: A K A Stone (#103)

Here is what it really says. Revelation Chapter 3 v5 He that overcometh, the same shall be clothed in white raiment; and I will not blot out his name out of the book of life, but I will confess his name before my Father, and before his angels.

That is not even close to what Rev. 3:5 really says. Like I have already told you, most English Bibles don't even come close to translating the original Greek of the Revelation correctly. If you want to see what the Revelation really says, you have to buy my book (which I have quoted from in this case to show you guys what the Revelation really says).

interpreter  posted on  2017-01-06   13:16:21 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#111. To: interpreter (#109) (Edited)

That is not even close to what Rev. 3:5 really says. Like I have already told you, most English Bibles don't even come close to translating the original Greek of the Revelation correctly. If you want to see what the Revelation really says, you have to buy my book (which I have quoted from in this case to show you guys what the Revelation really says).

It is exactly what the Bible says. Earlier you said you use the KJV.

The version you are quoting from has changed scripute just like you are trying to do.

There is a warning against deceivers like yourself.

THE WARNING. . .

The Lord has some strong warnings against adding and subtracting from the Word of God.

Deuteronomy 4:2 reads: "YE SHALL NOT ADD unto the word which I command you, NEITHER SHALL YE DIMINISH ought from it . . ."

Proverbs 30:6, reads, "ADD THOU NOT unto his words . . ."

And just in case you missed it, GOD'S LAST WARNING is Revelation 22:18,19, ". . . If any man SHALL ADD unto these things. . . And if any man shall TAKE AWAY FROM THE WORDS of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life. . ."

And Jesus Christ, in Luke 8:12, gives a clear aim of Satan, ". . . then cometh the devil, and TAKETH AWAY the word . . ."

THE ESV “TAKETH AWAY” 17 COMPLETE VERSES

As we go through this material, get your ESV Bible and please check me out. Don’t believe a word I’m writing. (see Romans 3:4) Please check me out. See the evidence for yourself. Note: Most of these examples of perversions are found in the vast majority of all the new versions. The reason they all carry these corruptions is that they are all built upon the corrupt Westcott and Hort Greek text. And the W&H text carries these thousands of distortions and deletions. Remember they’re not simply updating the King James “English” text, but they are build upon a drastically different corrupt Greek text, produced by two “admitted” heretics.

The ESV completely removes the following 17 verses:

Matthew 12:47 Then one said unto him, Behold, thy mother and thy brethren stand without, desiring to speak with thee.

Matthew 17:21 Howbeit this kind goeth not out but by prayer and fasting.

Matthew 18:11 For the Son of man is come to save that which was lost.

Matthew 23:14 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye devour widows' houses, and for a pretence make long prayer: therefore ye shall receive the greater damnation.

Mark 7:16 If any man have ears to hear, let him hear.

Mark 9:44 Where their worm dieth not, and the fire is not quenched.

Mark 9:46 Where their worm dieth not, and the fire is not quenched.

Mark 11:26 But if ye do not forgive, neither will your Father which is in heaven forgive your trespasses.

Mark 15:28 28 And the scripture was fulfilled, which saith, And he was numbered with the transgressors.

Luke 17:36 Two men shall be in the field; the one shall be taken, and the other left.

Luke 22:44 And being in an agony he prayed more earnestly: and his sweat was as it were great drops of blood falling down to the ground.

Luke 23:17 (For of necessity he must release one unto them at the feast.)

John 5:4 For an angel went down at a certain season into the pool, and troubled the water: whosoever then first after the troubling of the water stepped in was made whole of whatsoever disease he had.

Acts 8:37 And Philip said, If thou believest with all thine heart, thou mayest. And he answered and said, I believe that Jesus Christ is the Son of God.

Acts 15:34 Notwithstanding it pleased Silas to abide there still.

Acts 24:7 (note half of Acts 24:6 and 24:8 is also removed) 7 But the chief captain Lysias came upon us, and with great violence took him away out of our hands,

Acts 28:29 And when he had said these words, the Jews departed, and had great reasoning among themselves.

Romans 16:24 The grace of our Lord Jesus Christ be with you all. Amen.

www.av1611.org/kjv/ESV_Fruit.html

A K A Stone  posted on  2017-01-06   13:20:44 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#119. To: A K A Stone (#111)

It is exactly what the Bible says. Earlier you said you use the KJV.

The version you are quoting from has changed scripute just like you are trying to do.

There is a warning against deceivers like yourself.

The KJV is a lot better than the NIV and NAS, etc. that are based on the heretical "Alexandrian" text written by heretics in the desert who changed many things in the Bible in order to make the Bible conform to their heretical view of things. But the KJV translators also changed a lot of stuff to make the KJV Bible conform to their view of things. My translation of the Revelation does not change anything. It is a literal translation of the Greek word for word. To see what happens to the KJV translators, and the NIV and NAS translators, etc. see Revelation 22:18-19.

interpreter  posted on  2017-01-06   13:41:56 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#135. To: interpreter (#119)

My translation of the Revelation does not change anything. It is a literal translation of the Greek word for word. To see what happens to the KJV translators, and the NIV and NAS translators, etc. see Revelation 22:18-19.

Which Greek manuscripts did you use to translate Revelation?

redleghunter  posted on  2017-01-06   18:19:32 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#137. To: redleghunter (#135)

Which Greek manuscripts did you use to translate Revelation?

The Received Text of course, which (according to the Greek Orthodox Church at least) is exactly as the way the first century authors of the New Testament wrote it. And I believe that.

interpreter  posted on  2017-01-07   11:25:00 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#138. To: interpreter (#137)

Why did you make the same predictions a decade ago.

You are a fake, a deceifer who is himself deceived.

A false prophet clown.

A K A Stone  posted on  2017-01-07   12:57:13 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#142. To: A K A Stone (#138)

Why did you make the same predictions a decade ago.

You are a fake, a deceifer who is himself deceived.

A false prophet clown.

Actually, most of the 7 last plagues began occurring 25 years ago. So many of my predictions are pretty much what I have been saying for 25 years, not 10 years. But each year I say the plagues will wax worse so they are not exactly the same predictions, and I have added a lot of new stuff lately. The point is, all of my predictions always come true, and no other predictor of the future, not Jean Dixon, not Hal Lindsay or anyone else can say that. So it is all the others who are a fake, a deceiver and a clown, and no one can possibly say that about me with a straight face (unless they are a bald-face liar like you and the Red herring).

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