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Title: “Big Second Amendment Guy” Donald Trump Wants Police to Take Away More Guns
Source:
Vanity Fair
URL Source: http://www.vanityfair.com/news/2016 ... ld-trump-gun-rights-stop-frisk
Published: Sep 23, 2016
Author: Tina Nguyen
Post Date: 2016-09-23 10:06:18 by Willie Green
Keywords: None
Views: 1302
Comments: 7
Donald Trump’s professed love of guns is almost as abiding as his love of walls and portraits of himself. He has claimed that no one loves the Second Amendment more, and that he could shoot someone in the street “and I wouldn’t lose any voters.” He wants to federalize concealed-carry laws, and once suggested that the Pulse nightclub shooting would have gone differently had the patrons carried weapons, a statement that even the N.R.A. said “defies common sense.” He has called himself a “big Second Amendment guy” and even proposed that if gun control-loving Hillary Clinton became president, “Second Amendment people” could “do something” about it—a statement widely viewed as a threat. The National Rifle Association, not surprisingly, took Trump’s side. The more guns, the better, in other words. Or at least that’s what Trump advocates for his gun-enthused supporters. When it comes to America’s inner cities, which Trump has characterized as “rife with crime,” the G.O.P. nominee proposes something quiet different: the expansion of the controversial “stop and frisk” policy, wherein police are encouraged to conduct widespread stops—usually of African-Americans—and confiscate weapons. “You know, [the police are] proactive and if they see a person possibly with a gun or they think may have a gun, they will see the person and they’ll look and they’ll take the gun away,” he explained Thursday on Fox and Friends, attempting to walk back his call to implement stop-and-frisk nationwide. Criticized from both the left and the right for advocating the policy, which at least one judge has ruled unconstitutional and which several studies show disproportionately discriminates against minorities, the native New Yorker clarified that he was only suggesting that stop-and-frisk be used in Chicago. “I think Chicago needs stop-and-frisk,” he insisted, pointing to several statistics showing skyrocketing murders in the Windy City. “Now people can criticize me for that or people can say whatever they want, but they asked me about Chicago and I think stop-and-frisk with good strong—you know—good, strong law and order. But you have to do something. It can’t continue the way it’s going.” Trump seemed unaware of the fact that Chicago already has stop-and-frisk policies in place, and that according to the A.C.L.U., it has been woefully implemented thus far. According to the civil liberties group, Chicagoans have been stopped “four times as often as New Yorkers at the height of New York City’s stop and frisk practice,” and black residents are “disproportionately” targeted, with little effect on crime rates. At least some conservatives were appalled by Trump’s comments, too, although the N.R.A. has yet to weigh in on the Republican nominee advocating a confiscatory gun policy. Perhaps that is because the people Trump is talking about stopping and frisking are not the N.R.A.’s core constituency. Or perhaps it is because they would prefer not to highlight their preferred candidate’s long history of contradictory statements about gun control. Trump after all, previously supported the 1994 assault-weapons ban, before he decided to Make America Great Again. It could be that Trump simply doesn’t understand the nuance of the gun policy debate that is of such great interest to his base, and would rather keep people guessing than commit to any one particular position. As he said during an early primary debate, when asked about his self-professed habit of arming himself with a concealed weapon: “I like to be unpredictable, so people don’t know what I’m carrying.” The new gun-control policy is called “stop and frisk.”
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#1. To: Willie Green (#0)
Confiscate illegal weapons, Tina. Illegal weapons.
Yep. The policy is in place. Uh-huh. Firmly in place. No question. The implementation of that policy, however, is not. The number of stops are down 80% in 2016 and the ACLU is thrilled. The number of murders so far this year, however, exceed all of 2015. Coincidence, I'm sure. Yet the author writes an article criticizing Trump for his suggestion as to how Chicago could fix the problem! The ACLU, meanwhile, gets a pass.
The N.R.A. position “defies common sense.” Common sense tells us that if everyone could carry arms (as in Israel) terrorists and gangbangers would soon cease. "An armed society is a polite (and safe) society"... Which we experienced for our first several hundred years in America. -- The trouble started with the insane idea that we could ban the carrying of weapons, -- back in the late 1800's, with the rise of progressive liberalism.
How old is that video and WTF does it have to do with stop and frisk?
Just about 11 months... less than a year ago...
Trump will take your guns, and tell you that he's a big 2nd amendment guy. What it boils down to is that he's a strong believer that he should have a gun "permit", but that you must be disarmed. Says he's against executive orders, and will pass this crap through congress. He doesn't seem to realize that congress doesn't have the authority to eliminate the BOR, it would take a constitutional amendment(s). Before Trump frisk,..................... and after "the expansion of the controversial “stop and frisk” policy, wherein police are encouraged to conduct widespread stops—usually of African-Americans—and confiscate weapons."
#2. To: Willie Green (#0)
"Trump seemed unaware of the fact that Chicago already has stop-and-frisk policies in place"
#3. To: misterwhite (#2)
Yep. The policy is in place. Uh-huh. Firmly in place. No question.
#4. To: Willie Green (#0)
He wants to federalize concealed-carry laws, and once suggested that the Pulse nightclub shooting would have gone differently had the patrons carried weapons, a statement that even the N.R.A. said “defies common sense.”
#5. To: Willie Green (#3)
#6. To: misterwhite (#5)
How old is that video...
Here's another link that's a little newer:
New details revealed about controversial Chicago police facility Homan Square...and WTF does it have to do with stop and frisk?
It's the Chicago KGB... the same one's doing the "stop and frisk" proposed by Trump & his butt buddy Pootin.
#7. To: Willie Green, take guns, stop and steal, street proctology exams, *Bang List* (#0)
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