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911 Title: 9/11 Anniversary: Government Hid and Destroyed 9/11 Evidence Presumption of a Cover-Up …Judges and lawyers know that – if someone intentionally destroys evidence – he’s probably trying to hide his crime. American law has long recognized that destruction of evidence raises a presumption of guilt for the person who destroyed the evidence. So what does it mean when the US government intentionally destroyed massive amounts of evidence related to 9/11? Judge and Prosecutor Destroy EvidenceFor example, it was revealed in May that the judge overseeing the trial of surviving 9/11 suspects conspired with the prosecution to destroy evidence relevant to a key suspect’s defense. And see this. (The Defense Department has also farmed out most of the work of both prosecuting and defending the surviving 9/11 suspects to the same private company. And the heads of the military tribunal prosecuting the 9/11 suspects said that the trials must be rigged so that there are no acquittals.) Destruction of VideotapesThe CIA videotaped the interrogation of 9/11 suspects, falsely told the 9/11 Commission that there were no videotapes or other records of the interrogations, and then illegally destroyed all of the tapes and transcripts of the interrogations. 9/11 Commission co-chairs Thomas Keane and Lee Hamilton wrote:
Destruction of Air Traffic Control TapesThe tape of interviews of air traffic controllers on-duty on 9/11 was intentionally destroyed by crushing the cassette by hand, cutting the tape into little pieces, and then dropping the pieces in different trash cans around the building as shown by this NY Times article (summary version is free; full version is pay-per-view) and by this article from the Chicago Sun-Times. Pentagon FibsThe 9/11 Commissioners concluded that officials from the Pentagon lied to the Commission, and considered recommending criminal charges for such false statements. Soviet-Style “Minders”The chairs of both the 9/11 Commission and the Official Congressional Inquiry into 9/11 said that Soviet-style government “minders” obstructed the investigation into 9/11 by intimidating witnesses (and see this). In other words, the minders obstructed witnesses from openly and candidly talking about what they knew. Undermining InvestigationPresident Bush and Vice-President Cheney took the rare step of personally requesting that congress limit all 9/11 investigation solely to “intelligence failures.” The administration also opposed the creation of a 9/11 commission. Once it was forced (by pressure from widows of 9-11 victims) to allow a commission to be formed, the administration appointed as executive director an administration insider, whose area of expertise is the creation and maintenance of “public myths” thought to be true, even if not actually true, who was involved in pre-9/11 intelligence briefings, and who was one of the key architects of the “pre-emptive war” doctrine. This executive director, who controlled what the Commission did and did not analyze, then limited the scope of the Commission’s inquiry so that the overwhelming majority of questions about 9/11 remained unasked (see this and this). The administration then starved the commission of funds. The government spent $175 million – over $300 million in today’s dollars – investigating the Challenger space shuttle disaster. It spent $152 million on the the Columbia disaster investigation. It spent $30 million investigating the Monica Lewinsky scandal. But the government only authorized $15 million for the 9/11 Commission. The government also failed to provide crucial documents to the 9/11 investigators. And see this. The government refused to share much information with the Commission, refused to force high-level officials to testify under oath, and allowed Bush and Cheney to be questioned jointly. Moreover, as reported by ACLU, FireDogLake, RawStory and many others, declassified documents shows that Senior Bush administration officials sternly cautioned the 9/11 Commission against probing too deeply into the terrorist attacks of September 11, 2001. The 9-11 Commission took this warning to heart, and refused to examine virtually any evidence which contradicted the administration’s official version of events. As stated by the State Department’s Coordinator for Counterterrorism – who was the point man for the U.S. government’s international counterterrorism policy in the first term of the Bush administration – “there were things the [9/11] commissions wanted to know about and things they didn’t want to know about.“ CensorshipAn FBI whistleblower named Sibel Edmonds has been deemed credible by the Department of Justice’s Inspector General, several senators (free subscription required), and a coalition of prominent conservative and liberal groups. The ACLU described Edmonds as:
Famed Pentagon Papers whistleblower Daniel Ellsberg says that Edmonds possesses information “far more explosive than the Pentagon Papers”. He also says that the White House has ordered the press not to cover Edmonds:
And the government has gone to extraordinary lengths to prosecute and harass whistleblowers and journalists who write stories questioning government narratives. (And see this and this.) Black BoxesThe FBI long ago found and analyzed the “black box” recorders from the airplanes which hit the Twin Towers, but has consistently denied that they were ever found. And see this. Saudi RoleInvestigation into Saudi government aid to 9/11 conspirators was also obstructed. For example, Philip Shenon – the 20-year New York Times reporter who wrote a book on the 9/11 Commission – reports:
Indeed, an FBI informant hosted and rented a room to two hijackers in 2000. Specifically, investigators for the Congressional Joint Inquiry discovered that an FBI informant had hosted and even rented a room to two hijackers in 2000 and that, when the Inquiry sought to interview the informant, the FBI refused outright, and then hid him in an unknown location, and that a high-level FBI official stated these blocking maneuvers were undertaken under orders from the White House. As the New York Times notes:
Letting Terrorists Go FreeA former FBI translator who Senators Leahy and Grassley, among others, have claimed is credible, and who the administration has gagged for years without any logical basis — has stated that “this administration knowingly and intentionally let many directly or indirectly involved in that terrorist act [September 11th] go free – untouched and uninvestigated”? Destruction of Physical EvidenceThe former head of fire science and engineering for the agency responsible for finding out why the Twin Towers and World Trade Center 7 collapsed on 9/11 (the U.S. National Institute of Standards and Technology) – who is one of the world’s leading fire science researchers and safety engineers, with a Ph.D. in mechanical engineering – wrote that evidence necessary to determine the cause of the collapse of the World Trade Centers was being destroyed. And see this. In addition, the official investigators themselves were largely denied access to the site and the evidence contained there, or even access to such basic information as the blueprints for the World Trade Center. The government has also refused to release the computer models showing how the trade centers fell, making it impossible for anyone to double-check its assumptions. Whether you believe the Twin Towers and World Trade Center building 7 were brought down with explosives or by airplanes and fires, destroying evidence prevented engineers and scientists from figuring out what went wrong … to prevent skyscrapers from collapsing in the future. In addition, the government has refused to release many of the videos and photographs taken on 9/11 in response to Freedom of Information Act (FOIA) inquiries. And lawyers and researchers who have reviewed videos produced by the government in response to FOIA requests have told Washington’s Blog that the government produced intentionally degraded versions which make it impossible to see or hear details. 9/11 Commissioners Disgusted … and Call For a New InvestigationThe 9/11 Commissioners publicly expressed anger at cover ups and obstructions of justice by the government into a real 9/11 investigation:
Planting False EvidencePlanting false evidence is another act which creates presumption of guilt. The type of torture used by the U.S. on alleged surviving 9/11 co-conspirators is of a special type. Senator Levin revealed that the the U.S. used Communist torture techniques specifically aimed at creating FALSE confessions. (and see this, this, this and this). According to NBC News:
Pulitzer-prize winning reporter Seymour Hersh – who broke the Iraq torture and Vietnam massacre stories – writes:
But don’t spend too much time thinking about it … after all, your government would never lie to you. Post Comment Private Reply Ignore Thread Top • Page Up • Full Thread • Page Down • Bottom/Latest My government would never lie to me. Deckard; after he proves that the government has lied over and over. Jeremiad; That is not my government.... Exercising rights is only radical to two people, Tyrants and Slaves. Which are YOU? Our ignorance has driven us into slavery and we do not recognize it. #2. To: jeremiad (#1) My government would never lie to me. Deckard; after he proves that the government has lied over and over. That sentiment (the government would never lie to me) seems to be held by many of the posters who reside here at LF, and in fact, it seems the general public as well. I don't know what it's going to take to wake up the sheeple who still believe the official government narrative about 9/11 - it appears that the propaganda spewed out by the government-controlled mainstream media is having the desired effect. I guess I'll just keep posting articles like this, even if you are the only one who responds - thank you. “Truth is treason in the empire of lies.” - Ron Paul![]() "America is at that awkward stage. It's too late to work within the system, but too early to shoot the bastards."#3. To: Gatlin, Vinny (#0) The Senior Counsel to the 9/11 Commission (John Farmer) – who led the 9/11 staff’s inquiry – said “At some level of the government, at some point in time…there was an agreement not to tell the truth about what happened“. He also said “I was shocked at how different the truth was from the way it was described …. The tapes told a radically different story from what had been told to us and the public for two years…. This is not spin. This is not true.” ....your government would never lie to you. “Truth is treason in the empire of lies.” - Ron Paul![]() "America is at that awkward stage. It's too late to work within the system, but too early to shoot the bastards."#4. To: Deckard (#2) ... even if you are the only one who responds ... Just as I said, the "truther movement" is practically dead and just waiting for burial. You just keep on...
#5. To: Gatlin (#4) (Edited) Just keep bleating - ....your government would never lie to you. Any thoughts on why they did this? The tape of interviews of air traffic controllers on-duty on 9/11 was intentionally destroyed by crushing the cassette by hand, cutting the tape into little pieces, and then dropping the pieces in different trash cans around the building as shown by this NY Times article (summary version is free; full version is pay-per-view) and by this article from the Chicago Sun-Times. “Truth is treason in the empire of lies.” - Ron Paul![]() "America is at that awkward stage. It's too late to work within the system, but too early to shoot the bastards."#6. To: Deckard (#3) ....your government would never lie to you. Of course, the government lies as does the "truther movement." Over the years it became increasingly evident that the “truther movement” is a thoroughly controlled and infiltrated “clan” whose sole purpose is suppressing truth and not spreading it. Yet, you and your ilk continue to fail year after year to represent a "point of focus” away from facts and try to continually evolve them into some kind of “9/11 mystery.”
#7. To: Deckard (#5) Any thoughts on why they did this? Yea….one. BULLSHIT!
#8. To: Gatlin (#6) Of course, the government lies as does the "truther movement."
In this article, please point out where the "truther movement" has lied. On the other hand -
The 9/11 Commissioners concluded that officials from the Pentagon lied to the Commission, and considered recommending criminal charges for such false statements. Do you think officials at the Pentagon and others who lied to the 9/11 Commission should be criminally charged? “Truth is treason in the empire of lies.” - Ron Paul![]() "America is at that awkward stage. It's too late to work within the system, but too early to shoot the bastards."#9. To: Gatlin (#7) Are You a Mind-Controlled CIA Stooge? “Truth is treason in the empire of lies.” - Ron Paul![]() "America is at that awkward stage. It's too late to work within the system, but too early to shoot the bastards."#10. To: Deckard (#9) Nope, but you sure are a mind-controlled "truther movement" echo chamber stooge.
#11. To: Deckard (#8) Do you think officials at the Pentagon and others who lied to the 9/11 Commission should be criminally charged?
When it is proven they lied, then they should be charged.
#12. To: Gatlin (#10) The Tide is Turning: The Official Story Is Now The Conspiracy Theory “Truth is treason in the empire of lies.” - Ron Paul![]() "America is at that awkward stage. It's too late to work within the system, but too early to shoot the bastards."#13. To: Gatlin (#6) Over the years it became increasingly evident that the “truther movement” is a thoroughly controlled and infiltrated “clan” whose sole purpose is suppressing truth and not spreading it. What a steaming crock. Yes, there have been attempts (most likely by government agents) to derail discussion of the truth (much in the same way you do here) but it has been obvious that the disinformationalists are quickly weeded out. Suppressing the truth? I'll leave that to you and the myriad of fed.gov assets who you admire so much. “Truth is treason in the empire of lies.” - Ron Paul![]() "America is at that awkward stage. It's too late to work within the system, but too early to shoot the bastards."#14. To: Deckard, Language Alert (#3) KooK, about those x-ray beams that you claim brought down the Twin Towers....
#15. To: Vinny (#14) about those x-ray beams that you claim brought down the Twin Towers.... I don't see that claim made anywhere in the article. But thanks for bumping the thread with your bovine bleating. “Truth is treason in the empire of lies.” - Ron Paul![]() "America is at that awkward stage. It's too late to work within the system, but too early to shoot the bastards."#16. To: Deckard (#15) KooK, about the material you post; reading anything beyond the title is a waste of time. Just because you're non compos mentis doesn't mean we should stoop to your level. Now scat psycho and take your comic book conspiracies with you!
#17. To: Vinny (#16) reading anything beyond the title is a waste of time Yeah, that figures. Just ignore the facts, ignore the testimony of the actual commissioners of the 9/11 Investigation, ignore the thousand of architects, engineers, pilots - ignore all of the experts in their respective fields who have concluded that the official narrative spewed by the government is a blatant fairy-tale. ***** The 9/11 Commissioners publicly expressed anger at cover ups and obstructions of justice by the government into a real 9/11 investigation:
“Truth is treason in the empire of lies.” - Ron Paul![]() "America is at that awkward stage. It's too late to work within the system, but too early to shoot the bastards."#18. To: Vinny (#16) KooK, about the material you post; reading anything beyond the title is a waste of time. Even reading the titles of the articles he posts is a total waste of time. Garbage....just pure garbage.
#19. To: Gatlin, Vinny (#18) The fed-gov brainwashed sheep here used to be much more intelligent. At least some of them tried to debunk the factual claims made by qualified experts. ![]() “Sometimes people hold a core belief that is very strong. When they are presented with evidence that works against that belief, the new evidence cannot be accepted. It would create a feeling that is extremely uncomfortable, called cognitive dissonance. And because it is so important to protect the core belief, they will rationalize, ignore and even deny anything that doesn’t fit in with the core belief.” - Frantz Fanon
“Truth is treason in the empire of lies.” - Ron Paul![]() "America is at that awkward stage. It's too late to work within the system, but too early to shoot the bastards."#20. To: Deckard (#19) A qualified expert and a truther....best example of a oxymoron ever.
#21. To: Gatlin, Vinny (#20) ....best example of a oxymoron ever. What's even more bizarre is you calling yourself a "truthseeker.
A qualified expert and a truther ... Tell it to these experts.
Engineers and Architects Question the 9/11 Commission Report
Pilots and Aviation Professionals Question the 9/11 Commission Report
Medical Professionals Question the 9/11 Commission Report Why do you hate the families of those who survived and those who lost loved ones on 9/11?
9/11 Survivors and Family Members Question the 9/11 Commission Report “Truth is treason in the empire of lies.” - Ron Paul![]() "America is at that awkward stage. It's too late to work within the system, but too early to shoot the bastards."#22. To: Deckard, spuds, sarge, gatlin, canary club (#21) Just a reminder ... Kanary Klub Klan members are not "truthseekers." They are argumentative old men that believe in some sort of rigid government control about their lives so as to receive a government stipend on a monthly basis to pay their personal bills.
#23. To: buckeroo (#22) So says a hypocrite who leeches a paycheck derived from government contracts.
#24. To: Deckard (#21) I am telling you that a qualified expert and a truther is the best example of a oxymoron ever.
#25. To: Gatlin (#24) I am telling you Nobody gives a flying fuck about anything you have to say besides the other submissive, boot-licking statist pricks who infest this forum, you pompous, authority-worshiping asshole. “Truth is treason in the empire of lies.” - Ron Paul![]() "America is at that awkward stage. It's too late to work within the system, but too early to shoot the bastards."#26. To: Deckard (#25) Quit lying to yourself. You obviously care since you continually read the posts where I chastise you and reply so quickly to them. You stay up nights waiting to read my comments.
#27. To: Gatlin (#26) (Edited) posts where I chastise you Arrogant, self-righteous douche-nozzle. Do the world a favor and kill yourself you submissive little twat. “Truth is treason in the empire of lies.” - Ron Paul![]() "America is at that awkward stage. It's too late to work within the system, but too early to shoot the bastards."#28. To: Deckard (#17) Just ignore the facts KooK, in your current mental state you wouldn't know a fact from a Fig Newton. I not only ignore your "facts" but I also ignore you, so stop pinging me to your Flash Gordon conspiracies, OK?
#29. To: Deckard (#27) You are nothing but a brain-damaged piece of white trash spinning yarns.
#30. To: Deckard (#25) Fifteen years later you conspiracy theorists still live your lonely lives as truthers continuing to look for the big break….you are a miserable lot.
#31. To: Vinny (#28) Get back to me when you finish the 8th grade, simpleton. “Truth is treason in the empire of lies.” - Ron Paul![]() "America is at that awkward stage. It's too late to work within the system, but too early to shoot the bastards."#32. To: Gatlin, Vinny (#30) I gotta feel sorry for you two drooling simpletons Don't forget - the government would never lie to you. Wadda couple of maroons! “Truth is treason in the empire of lies.” - Ron Paul![]() "America is at that awkward stage. It's too late to work within the system, but too early to shoot the bastards."#33. To: Deckard, Vinny (#32) ...maroons... ...maroons?
***SNICKER***
#34. To: Gatlin (#33)
#35. To: Deckard, Gatlin (#32) Wadda couple of maroons! And here I thought you were a KooK when all along your problem is illiteracy.
#36. To: Vinny, Gatlin (#35)
“Truth is treason in the empire of lies.” - Ron Paul![]() "America is at that awkward stage. It's too late to work within the system, but too early to shoot the bastards."#37. To: Vinny, Deckard (#35) Wadda couple of maroons! His attempt to cover up is pathetic. He is such a moron.
#38. To: Gatlin, Vinny (#37) His attempt to cover up is pathetic. Not covering up anything you simplistic self-righteous prick. Not my fault that you and the other short-bus rider never saw Bugs Bunny. “Truth is treason in the empire of lies.” - Ron Paul![]() "America is at that awkward stage. It's too late to work within the system, but too early to shoot the bastards."#39. To: Deckard, Gatlin (#38) Not my fault that you and the other short-bus rider never saw Bugs Bunny. So now the illiterate KooK posts as if he's Bugs Bunny? Tell us again how a mini nuke, planted by the Mossad, brought down the towers. K?
#40. To: Vinny (#39) So now the illiterate KooK posts as if he's Bugs Bunny? I figured I had to, you know - dumb it down for you two in-breds. Tell us again how a mini nuke, planted by the Mossad, brought down the towers. This article makes no such claim. HOW ABOUT DEALING IN FACTS? The tape of interviews of air traffic controllers on-duty on 9/11 was intentionally destroyed by crushing the cassette by hand, cutting the tape into little pieces, and then dropping the pieces in different trash cans around the building as shown by this NY Times article (summary version is free; full version is pay-per-view) and by this article from the Chicago Sun-Times.
*** Who would do that, and why? “Truth is treason in the empire of lies.” - Ron Paul![]() "America is at that awkward stage. It's too late to work within the system, but too early to shoot the bastards."#41. To: Vinny, Gatlin (#39) The Most Outrageous 9/11 Conspiracy Theory On the morning of September 11, 2001, 19 men armed with boxcutters directed by a man on dialysis in a cave fortress halfway around the world using a satellite phone and a laptop directed the most sophisticated penetration of the most heavily-defended airspace in the world, overpowering the passengers and the military combat-trained pilots on 4 commercial aircraft before flying those planes wildly off course for over an hour without being molested by a single fighter interceptor. “Truth is treason in the empire of lies.” - Ron Paul![]() "America is at that awkward stage. It's too late to work within the system, but too early to shoot the bastards."Top • Page Up • Full Thread • Page Down • Bottom/Latest |
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