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Title: Transcript: Trump doesn't commit to deporting all illegals
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Donald J. Trump [WaPo transcript]
URL Source: https://www.washingtonpost.com/news ... on-speech-annotated/?tid=a_inl
Published: Sep 1, 2016
Author: Donald J. Trump
Post Date: 2016-09-01 13:02:32 by ConservingFreedom
Keywords: None
Views: 6457
Comments: 37
[...] And the establishment of our new lawful immigration system then and only then will we be in a position to consider the appropriate disposition of those individuals who remain. That discussion can take place only in an atmosphere in which illegal immigration is a memory of the past, no longer with us, allowing us to weigh the different options available based on the new circumstances at the time. Right now, however, we're in the middle of a jobs crisis, a border crisis and a terrorism crisis like never before. All energies of the federal government and the legislative process must now be focused on immigration security. That is the only conversation we should be having at this time, immigration security. Cut it off. [...] [emphasis added]
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#1. To: ConservingFreedom (#0)
"In a Trump administration all immigration laws will be enforced. As with any law enforcement activity, we will set priorities. But unlike this administration, no one will be immune or exempt from enforcement. And ICE and Border Patrol officers will be allowed to do their jobs the way their jobs are supposed to be done. Anyone who has entered the United States illegally is subject to deportation. That is what it means to have laws and to have a country. Otherwise we don't have a country."
None of which says they'll all be deported - but he does clearly say the opposite ion referring to "those individuals who remain."
A government strong enough to impose your standards is strong enough to ban them. Still committed to changing the law so that illegal aliens are legal, amnesty. Once crime is legal, Trump will obey the law. Trump plan to "follow the law" Seems plain enough to me.
Those who remain after deporting criminals, gang members, and those sucking the government welfare teat.
Are you suggesting those individuals who remain will be the 'good' illegal aliens? A government strong enough to impose your standards is strong enough to ban them. I can understand how someone reading the relatively small portion of Trump's lengthy immigration policy speech posted above might reach that conclusion. However, I believe anyone who carefully and thoughtfully reads the entire speech will note two things: 1. The several "types" of ILLEGAL immigrants Trump speaks of removing/deporting; and, 2. the various methods of removal/deportation that will be utilized. Considering those two things, I don't see how there could possibly be ANY illegal immigrants DELIBERATELY being allowed to remain. Therefore, I do not believe Trump could have been referring to ILLEGALS when he spoke of "consider(ing) the appropriate disposition of those INDIVIDUALS who remain." (Emphasis added) On the other hand, I believe it's totally fair and appropriate to ask who Trump WAS referring to when he said that; and, I believe the answer lies in the portion of the speech designated as "Number 10;" i.e., individuals who are LEGAL immigrants. The way I read the speech in it's entirety is that Trump is saying removing the very worst of illegals (rapists, murderers, child molesters, etc.) is his first priority; his second priority is removing ALL of the remaining illegals (Covered under Numbers 1 - 9); and, his third priority is deciding how to best handle any LEGAL immigrants whose presence here is causing problems, either currently or in the future, for our welfare system, jobs market, schools, healthcare system, etc. (Covered under Number 10) Indeed, in Trump's OWN words, those he is referring to in the entire EXCERPT you posted are only those covered under our "LAWFUL immigration system" (Emphasis added); which, explicitly excludes all ILLEGALS.
Nice try - but it would make no sense to say "That discussion [of legal immigrants, in your reading] can take place only in an atmosphere in which illegal immigration is a memory." And the "lawful immigration system" is clearly the one that makes "illegal immigration a memory" - that is, ends the continuing growth of the illegal alien population. A government strong enough to impose your standards is strong enough to ban them. Absolutely false statement. He has said over and over and over again that he would deport illegal aliens and build a wall so they can't just walk over the border. He also stated that you abide by the immigration laws if you want citizenship. He also stated that those that over state their visa's will be deported. He also stated those illegal aliens that commit crimes will be jailed and then deported. He stated he will not give amnesty to those aliens that are here illegally. These people are in limbo and breaking the law. But there is the anchor baby issue with these people. Consensus on this is that most will head home once they realize there is no path to citizenship. He is the only one that is going to do something about the illegal alien mess that can be elected. If Hillary is elected we will get amnesty and open borders.
But now he says he'll "weigh the different options available" for "those individuals who remain." A government strong enough to impose your standards is strong enough to ban them. But now he says he'll "weigh the different options available" for "those individuals who remain." You know if you get your info from MSM you will never get the truth about anything. He said he will deport illegal aliens. He may not hunt them down one by one but as they come up on radar he will because that means they commit a crime which means jail and then deportation. Once illegal aliens realize they are being hunted they will start deporting themselves for free. Nothing really matters until they build a wall and then enforce laws already on the books. We really do not need more laws what we need is someone willing to take names and kick ass that will not easily fold under pressure.
You know if you get your info from MSM I'm quoting verbatim from his recent speech. A government strong enough to impose your standards is strong enough to ban them. Of course, it makes sense, PERFECT sense; simply because, as long as ILLEGALS are still here, the affects of LEGAL immigrants cannot be fully evaluated. In other words, while ILLEGALS are being removed, a "new lawful immigration system" will be "established;" and, once all the ILLEGALS are gone, "then and only then will we be in a position to consider the appropriate disposition of those individuals [LEGAL immigrants] who remain." Granted, that is the way it's SUPPOSED to work. But, it has NOT worked that way in many decades; and, it will NEVER work that way as long as someone does not change the status quo by securing the border and streamlining our LEGAL immigration laws. Trump is the only candidate with a chance in hell of winning who has said he will do that.
Actually, what you're doing is cherry picking parts of his speech and attempting to apply a meaning to them that matches your preconceived opinions of what Trump will do.
I too have listen to his words not sound bites from people who want Hillary to be president. He will deport illegal aliens. He will build the wall. He will enforce border/immigration law unlike every president since Carter. Im not sure what you game is but its ruining your credibility. I understand you dislike this guy which is understandable. He is an asshate. But your just supporting Clinton for president. Some pure green behind the ear person is going to read your crap and belief it. I will say it again. Trump is a 1000 times better than Clinton on his worst day than she is on her best day. If she wins there will be no republic to pick up with. Freedom will be gone. Conservatism and Libertarianism will no long be apart of our political force. It will be a fast run to EU style government and then one world rule as fast as major heads can lie their way to make it happen. We either stop it now or deal with the end of our country. There is clearly only 2 choices who can win this next election. Trump or Clinton. Life or death.
Nope. Neither am I suggesting they're "great" illegal aliens, or the crème de la crème of illegals, or model citizens, or any other word you suggest. Trump is saying they're a lower priority.
So you won't rest until you hear Trump say that he will send his jack-booted deportation SWAT teams into the homes of (otherwise) law-abiding, peaceful, productive illegal families, tearing children from the arms of their parents (a la Elián González), and shooting the family dog (probably illegal also)? Yeah. He can campaign on that, right?
My "game" is pointing out plain facts about what Trump has said - if that "ruins my credibility" with anyone, so much the worse for them. False. I never said nor implied that Clinton was better than Trump. A government strong enough to impose your standards is strong enough to ban them. So you won't rest until you hear Trump say that he will send his jack-booted deportation SWAT teams into the homes of (otherwise) law-abiding, peaceful, productive illegal families, tearing children from the arms of their parents (a la Elián González), and shooting the family dog (probably illegal also)? Spin and hysteria aside, Trump didn't win the nomination because GOP voters thought he'd deport SOME illegal aliens. If he can't campaign on deporting all illegals, the honest course would have been to say so in the primaries. A government strong enough to impose your standards is strong enough to ban them. Clever - but Trump clearly said those here legally are here to stay: "We've admitted 59 million immigrants to the United States between 1965 and 2015. Many of these arrivals have greatly enriched our country. So true. But we now have an obligation to them and to their children to control future immigration". True but beside the point - the point is that when read in context, Trump's reference to the "lawful immigration system" had nothing to do with illegals already here. A government strong enough to impose your standards is strong enough to ban them. You are pointing out half facts to distort the truth. But your just supporting Clinton for president. False. By putting out half facts or distort truth you are helping Clinton which is tantamount to supporting Clinton over Trump. Trump is a 1000 times better than Clinton on his worst day than she is on her best day. I never said nor implied that Clinton was better than Trump. By trying to put wedges between Trump and his supporters with distorted facts I can only conclude that you think Trump and Clinton are not to dissimilar so if Trump loses its no big deal. What else can I conclude from you actions?
Correct. "If he can't campaign on deporting all illegals, the honest course would have been to say so in the primaries." Again, correct.
(cough) bullshit. Your "game" is speculating what Trump means when he doesn't say something.
Horseshit. When he says the status of some illegals will be decided later, it's not speculation to say the status of some illegals will be decided later. A government strong enough to impose your standards is strong enough to ban them. False - I'm stipulating the facts nobody is denying or overlooking, such as that Trump says he'll build a wall and deport many illegals, and focusing on the facts that not a few here would like to overlook or deny ... such as that Trump doesn't commit to deporting all illegals. A government strong enough to impose your standards is strong enough to ban them. No you are implying that he will not deport illegal aliens. Which is factual false. I don't care and 99% don't care if he doesn't deport ever single illegal alien. The fact that he is the only one that can be elected this cycle will do something other than give amnesty! OMG you seem to focused on Trump being harmed which means Clinton wins and we as America will end. No one thinks Trump is the next coming. Hell we are just trying to stop hell from being forced upon us by Clinton! You seem to be ok with Clinton winning?
No, I'm saying he hasn't committed to deporting them all - and his own words prove me right. You don't speak for 99% however many voices you hear in your head. A government strong enough to impose your standards is strong enough to ban them. No, I'm saying he hasn't committed to deporting them all - and his own words prove me right. So what? Who cares. Its impossible to deport them all. Its some childish issue you have with Trump. Its like you are still pissed at Trump for beating your candidate and now you want revenge! Hey I wanted Cruz but I got stuck with Trump. We could have gotten Romney again! What im wanting from you is why are you going after Trump like this. What is your issue and why can't you just come out and say what you want or is all about revenge? You some how think by admitting that he will not deport every single illegal alien from US soil is a game changer? That he some how lied to America because he will not spend a trillion to remove every single last illegal alien from US soil.
He didn't tell us that during the primaries. I don't like being lied to - maybe you don't mind. A government strong enough to impose your standards is strong enough to ban them. Well, if your claim is that Trump said those here legally are here to stay FOREVER, he certainly did NOT say any such thing in THAT quote; and, I don't think you can provide a single direct quote from Trump AT ALL wherein he does say what you're claiming. I've read comments on this forum from you on other topics. You're not exactly a dumb ass; and, you're obviously CAPABLE of understanding plain English. So, your problem can't be a lack of comprehension. YET, you insist on continuing to offer up things Trump has said and CLAIMING you believe his meaning is something no one with even a minimal understanding of English could POSSIBLY infer from his words. Therefore, the problem has to be that you're just another one of Ted Cruz's supporters who, like Cruz himself, cannot accept defeat. And you, Cruz, and a relatively small handful of other rabid Cruz supporters rather allow Hillary to win than swallow your pride and support the ONLY person who has a chance in hell of saving America! Luckily for Cruz and his handful of misguided followers such as yourself, Trump will win DESPITE your best efforts to destroy his campaign; and, his winning will save America from becoming embroiled in another bloody revolution in which Cruz, et. al., would be hunted down like the useful idiots you all are. So, you SHOULD get down on your knees and thank God for making Trump the next president of the USA!
Well, if your claim is that Trump said those here legally are here to stay FOREVER, he certainly did NOT say any such thing in THAT quote So you claim Trump was saying we'll have an obligation to people that have been kicked out of the country, and their children - and that said obligation will be met by controlling future immigration? Your desperate flailings become ever more comical. A government strong enough to impose your standards is strong enough to ban them. Hillary Clinton has pledged amnesty in her first 100 days, and her plan will provide Obamacare, Social Security, and Medicare for illegal immigrants, breaking the federal budget. Visa overstays are deportable. The vast majority of deportable aliens are ineligible to stay under current law, absent some special government action authorizing their stay. The Obama administration's executive measures taken by Jeh Johnson of DHS appear unconstitutional. There is a small class of visa overstays who are deportable, but who could be eligible to have their status adjusted under current law... if their overstay is less than six months. There is no guarantee an application for adjustment would be approved, but it is possible under current law. I believe most visa overstays would exceed six months. Anyone who entered the United States illegally is ineligible to apply for adjustment of status. They have very limited arguments to present at a deportation hearing. I believe the amnesties in question were issued by Jeh Johnson of DHS. Regardless, a President Trump could terminate them, or work to have them declared null and void.
He didn't tell us that during the primaries. True. But who really believes that we are going to deport every single illegal alien. Im not sure if that would have made any difference. His basic philosophy is when they come up on the radar deal with them. Stop them from coming back by building a wall and supporting the defense of the wall. So when you get deported you stay deported. Stop the federal benefits. Stop treating them like citizens. Then each state that want them will have to pay for them out of their pocket. Then punish the sanctuary cities that knowingly harbor them. I think he is new to politics and is evolving quickly. Once you understand the problem of illegal aliens you realize that deportation is very expensive and a PR nightmare. There was a study done that basically stated the best most efficient way to get illegal aliens to leave was to make a big stink about deportation. Start going after illegal aliens that cause problems and the employers that hire them. Cut benefits and go after sanctuary cities that harbor them. This will cause most illegal aliens to leave without wasting resources on them. But if we do not build a wall they will keep coming in as soon as the next progressive president is elected. What is your issue I don't like being lied to - maybe you don't mind. Who does. Most people voting for him because they are tired of the same old shit politician. He shows he has a backbone and is willing to double down when others break. He is the only one dealing with illegal alien problem(which is a very complicate issue). He is not part of the progressive elitist club Clinton's and bush's reside in. Im really surprised "they" have not tried to kill him.
I'm making no such claim and that's not at all what Trump said either. The 59 million Trump referred to includes both illegal aliens and legal immigrants. See the text under Table 1 here: http://www.pewhispanic.org/2015/...-and-change-through-2065/. Table 1 can be found under the heading in bold, "Latin American and Asian Immigration Since 1965 Changes U.S. Racial and Ethnic Makeup." What Trump was saying is that after the illegals are removed, the legal immigrants will still be here. It is those LEGAL immigrants and THEIR children to whom we owe an obligation to control future immigration. If anyone is desperately flailing, it is you. Unfortunately, your deliberate but failing attempts to destroy the candidate who DID IN FACT destroy your idol, Ted Cruz, are not at all comical. Bizarre, asinine, non-nonsensical, yes; but, not funny in the least...
And if, as you claim, he meant them when he talked about "considering the appropriate disposition of those individuals who remain" and "weighing the different options available based on the new circumstances at the time," then it adds up to our possibly kicking out those to whom we owe an obligation. Which makes no sense - so your argument falls flat. A government strong enough to impose your standards is strong enough to ban them. I apologize to all useful idiots for calling you one. You're not at all useful to anyone...
Did you think of that yourself or did your fifth-grade classmates help?
A government strong enough to impose your standards is strong enough to ban them.
#2. To: misterwhite (#1)
#3. To: misterwhite, Reconquista Republicans (#1)
In a Trump administration all immigration laws will be enforced
Castle(C), Stein(G), Johnson(L)
#4. To: misterwhite (#1)
"In a Trump administration all immigration laws will be enforced. As with any law enforcement activity, we will set priorities. But unlike this administration, no one will be immune or exempt from enforcement. And ICE and Border Patrol officers will be allowed to do their jobs the way their jobs are supposed to be done. Anyone who has entered the United States illegally is subject to deportation. That is what it means to have laws and to have a country. Otherwise we don't have a country."
#5. To: ConservingFreedom (#2)
"but he does clearly say the opposite ion referring to "those individuals who remain."
#6. To: misterwhite (#5)
Those who remain after deporting criminals, gang members, and those sucking the government welfare teat.
#7. To: ConservingFreedom (#0)
Trump doesn't commit to deporting all illegals
#8. To: packrat1145 (#7)
#9. To: ConservingFreedom (#0)
Trump doesn't commit to deporting all illegals
#10. To: Justified (#9)
He has said over and over and over again that he would deport illegal aliens
#11. To: ConservingFreedom (#10)
He has said over and over and over again that he would deport illegal aliens
#12. To: Justified (#11)
But now he says he'll "weigh the different options available" for "those individuals who remain."
#13. To: ConservingFreedom (#8)
Nice try - but it would make no sense to say "That discussion [of legal immigrants, in your reading] can take place only in an atmosphere in which illegal immigration is a memory."
And the "lawful immigration system" is clearly the one that makes "illegal immigration a memory" - that is, ends the continuing growth of the illegal alien population.
#14. To: ConservingFreedom (#12)
I'm quoting verbatim from his recent speech.
#15. To: ConservingFreedom (#12)
#16. To: ConservingFreedom (#6)
"Are you suggesting those individuals who remain will be the 'good' illegal aliens?"
#17. To: ConservingFreedom (#10)
"But now he says he'll "weigh the different options available" for "those individuals who remain."
#18. To: Justified (#15)
Im not sure what you game is but its ruining your credibility.
But your just supporting Clinton for president.
Trump is a 1000 times better than Clinton on his worst day than she is on her best day.
#19. To: misterwhite (#17)
"But now he says he'll "weigh the different options available" for "those individuals who remain."
Yeah. He can campaign on that, right?
#20. To: packrat1145 (#13)
as long as ILLEGALS are still here, the affects of LEGAL immigrants cannot be fully evaluated.
our "LAWFUL immigration system" (Emphasis added); which, explicitly excludes all ILLEGALS.
'the "lawful immigration system" is clearly the one that makes "illegal immigration a memory" - that is, ends the continuing growth of the illegal alien population.'
Granted, that is the way it's SUPPOSED to work. But, it has NOT worked that way in many decades
#21. To: ConservingFreedom (#18)
My "game" is pointing out plain facts
#22. To: ConservingFreedom (#19)
"Spin and hysteria aside, Trump didn't win the nomination because GOP voters thought he'd deport SOME illegal aliens."
#23. To: ConservingFreedom (#18)
"My "game" is pointing out plain facts about what Trump has said"
#24. To: misterwhite (#23)
Your "game" is speculating what Trump means when he doesn't say something.
#25. To: Justified (#21)
You are pointing out half facts to distort the truth.
#26. To: ConservingFreedom (#25)
False - I'm stipulating the facts nobody is denying or overlooking,
#27. To: Justified (#26)
you are implying that he will not deport illegal aliens.
I don't care and 99% don't care if he doesn't deport ever single illegal alien.
#28. To: ConservingFreedom (#27)
you are implying that he will not deport illegal aliens.
#29. To: Justified (#28)
ts impossible to deport them all.
What is your issue
#30. To: ConservingFreedom (#20)
Clever - but Trump clearly said those here legally are here to stay: "We've admitted 59 million immigrants to the United States between 1965 and 2015. Many of these arrivals have greatly enriched our country. So true. But we now have an obligation to them and to their children to control future immigration".
#31. To: packrat1145 (#30)
(Edited)
'Trump clearly said those here legally are here to stay: "We've admitted 59 million immigrants to the United States between 1965 and 2015. Many of these arrivals have greatly enriched our country. So true. But we now have an obligation to them and to their children to control future immigration".'
#32. To: All (#0)
President Obama and Hillary Clinton support sanctuary cities. They support catch and release on the border. They support visa overstays. They support the release of dangerous, dangerous, dangerous, criminals from detention. And, they support unconstitutional executive amnesty.
Anyone who has entered the United States illegally is subject to deportation. That is what it means to have laws and to have a country. Otherwise we don't have a country.
We will immediately terminate President Obama's two illegal executive amnesties in which he defied federal law and the Constitution to give amnesty to approximately 5 million illegal immigrants, 5 million.
#33. To: ConservingFreedom (#29)
ts impossible to deport them all.
#34. To: ConservingFreedom (#31)
So you claim Trump was saying we'll have an obligation to people that have been kicked out of the country, and their children - and that said obligation will be met by controlling future immigration?
Your desperate flailings become ever more comical.
#35. To: packrat1145 (#34)
What Trump was saying is that after the illegals are removed, the legal immigrants will still be here. It is those LEGAL immigrants and THEIR children to whom we owe an obligation to control future immigration.
#36. To: ConservingFreedom (#35)
#37. To: packrat1145 (#36)
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