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Title: Phillipines shows the way
Source: BBC
URL Source: http://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-37162323
Published: Aug 23, 2016
Author: paraclete
Post Date: 2016-08-23 10:37:02 by paraclete
Keywords: drugs
Views: 1176
Comments: 16

The head of the Philippines police has said more than 1,900 people have been killed during a crackdown on illegal drugs in the past seven weeks. Ronald dela Rosa was speaking at a senate hearing into the sharp rise in deaths since Rodrigo Duterte became president. He said police operations had killed about 750 people, but the other deaths were still being investigated. Mr Duterte won the presidency with his hard-line policy to eradicate drugs. He has previously urged citizens to shoot and kill drug dealers who resisted arrest, and reiterated that the killings of drug suspects were lawful if the police acted in self-defence. He also threatened to "separate" from the UN after it called his war on drugs a crime under international law. The US has said it is "deeply concerned" by the increase in drug-related killings.


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It seems there is a way to bring the war on drugs to an end and that is by fighting a real war. the Phillipines has done in seven weeks what the US has failed to do in thirty years. Apparently 700,000 drug dealers and users have turned themselves in rather than face summary justice, so when will the US namby pramby approach to stemming the tide cease?

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#3. To: paraclete (#0)

so when will the US namby pramby approach to stemming the tide cease?

Yeah, with toughness, summary killings, mass concentration camps and beating or torture you can scare many people away not only from having joint, but also a glass of wine or a beer or shot of vodka. What is next!

And what is the purpose of all this? Pleasure from being righteously angry or from bossing others around?

A Pole  posted on  2016-08-23   11:50:59 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#6. To: A Pole (#3)

And what is the purpose of all this?

It could be that people are just fed up with the drug scene and the crap that comes with it, and what has happened is the people have been empowered, afterall they know who is dealing in their neighbourhood, this is why the druggies fled, because they can't hide. You see when the law is an ass and protects the criminals something must be done to bypass the process

paraclete  posted on  2016-08-23   22:28:51 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#9. To: paraclete (#6)

when the law is an ass and protects the criminals

So due process is a bad idea and should be abandoned?

ConservingFreedom  posted on  2016-08-24   11:56:25 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#10. To: ConservingFreedom (#9)

Ah the simple argument but within it exists the lie

What should be abandoned is the idea that criminals should be capable of subverting the course of justice. The presumption of innocence should only exist for first offenders not those with a consistent record of offending. Those who put forward this principle did not live in a society full of criminals but they did live in a society where the process was swift and the penalties deadly. This is often forgotten

paraclete  posted on  2016-08-24   20:35:30 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#12. To: paraclete (#10)

What should be abandoned is the idea that criminals should be capable of subverting the course of justice.

The presumption of innocence is not there to protect the guilty but the innocent.

ConservingFreedom  posted on  2016-08-25   17:47:33 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


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#13. To: ConservingFreedom (#12)

The presumption of innocence is not there to protect the guilty but the innocent.

The presumption of innocence is there to protect the people from the police, it is an abstract idea found in the british legal system and is not found in non anglo societies. In other societies if there is enough evidence to charge you, you will be found guilty unless you can prove your innocence. In the Philippines what has happened is that authority has been given to the people who know the evidence is plain to take action

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