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Title: Is the Beatles’ ‘Revolver’ the Best Rock Record Ever?
Source: The Daily Beast
URL Source: http://www.thedailybeast.com/articl ... the-best-rock-record-ever.html
Published: Aug 5, 2016
Author: Colin Fleming
Post Date: 2016-08-05 10:26:44 by Deckard
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In the spring of 1966, riding high on the artistic success of ‘Rubber Soul,’ the Beatles went into the studio to begin crafting what would become their greatest record.

It is spring 1966, and the Beatles are ensconced in London’s EMI Studios, where they have embarked upon their latest manipulation of time. The Christmas season just passed had seen the release of the band’s sixth album, Rubber Soul, a game-changer of a disc that wedded American rhythm and blues to English folk music, as if the two genres were meant to go together all along. The Beatles, as the popsmiths-cum-pied pipers for teenyboppers, the lovable lads behind A Hard Day’s Night, were no more. Their middle-career era of high-toned, big boy art had commenced.

Rubber Soul  continued to dominate the charts that spring. It featured organic sounds sourced from the streets of the city and countryside fields where one might have pictured John Clare wandering, but the Beatles, being the Beatles, were now moving entirely beyond Rubber Soul’s rustic-tinged soundscapes, as if such a masterwork were a mere digression in their journey towards something bigger, something better, something more “next,” if you will.

B4Y4A5 Beatles 1966 The Beatles arrive at London Airport to fly out to USA John Lennon Paul McCartney George Harrison Ringo Starr

In this case, that would be the finest album of their career, and conceivably the finest rock and roll record ever made: a 14 song affair clocking in at under 35 minutes with a bad pun serving as a title: Revolver. For what do records do? Revolve. And this one was going to feel like it did so more than any that had come before.

People tend to forget how short the Beatles’ career was as a record-making collective: a mere seven years, from Please Please Me in 1963 to Abbey Road in 1969. Their pace was extraordinary, with single calendar years featuring the completion and release of two LPs and three singles, the latter rarely sourced from the former.

Mix in tours, spates of recording sessions for the BBC, film work, all manner of personal appearances, and you start to wonder how on earth four men were able to leap about from style to style, inventing some in the process, serving as the definitive version of one kind of band in June, say, and then another in July.

Revolver, though, which would be released in August, was the ultimate shape-shifter document, for having just infused the ears of the world with an album that was all green and brown tones, with a wafting air of cannabis throughout, the Beatles went interplanetary.

There is no record that sounds remotely like Revolver, and certainly no Beatles record. John Lennon had just reached a compositional career high point on Rubber Soul with songs like “Girl,” “In My Life,” and “Norwegian Wood (This Bird Has Flown),” and now it would his partner Paul McCartney’s turn to hit the apogee-mark.

Lennon was writing on the guitar at the time, as he always had, but with a greater penchant for distortion and overdubbed layers of guitars that came at you in metallic waves, as if borne in from an Arthur Clarke novel. McCartney, meanwhile, had become quite the aesthete in London, living in town and taking in the theater, films, anything, as the Jefferson Airplane would later sing, with which he could feed his head. He was also, for the first time, writing on the piano, and it is from this yin and yang of two geniuses composing about as well as ever, on somewhat oppositional instruments, that those spring 1966 sessions were setting Revolver up as something of, well, an absolute mother of an album.

George Harrison, too, was excelling as a writer, and it was his “Taxman” that was granted the prize position as album starter. The Beatles didn’t muck about with what they chose to begin and, more important, conclude their LPs. As with “I Saw Her Standing There,” the song that launched their first record, “Taxman” features a cod count-in, with Harrison, in a sardonic, almost glib voice, intoning a flat “One, Two, Three, Four,” as the real count-in is shouted out beneath him, and away we go into Future Rock.

The lyric is a diatribe against the English taxation system, but it’s almost immaterial, given what is at play sonically, as the Beatles, clearly, have a new weapon they hadn’t before. McCartney takes a guitar solo where normally Harrison would, a fury of virtuosic playing to make Jimi Hendrix sit up and take notice, and few, if any bands, have ever been tighter. As players, these guys are all coming into their own. But there is no more important instrument on Revolver than the studio itself.

This was a first. You hear it right away in the texture of McCartney’s bass. A bass is not meant to sound this rounded, as if it were an instrument you could isolate in any given track, and study as a composition unto itself. Producer George Martin, always a man willing to try an idea, is now clearly abetting two songwriters who were coming up with a ton of them in terms of the new sounds they’d like to try and get, thus bestowing each of their songs with an extra kick towards places no one had gone before.

For McCartney, that involved working with engineer Geoff Emerick on making his bass sound like a rumble of low-toned, especially melodic guitars, knitted together in the soundscape. Lennon, meanwhile, was talking of being tied to cables and maneuvered around the room so that his vocals would sound preternatural, and tasked Martin with some requests that would have required drilling holes in his neck and inserting electrodes. The Beatles-go-Frankensteinian.

Lennon is always considered the band’s maven avant-gardist, but that’s misleading, and the point of no return moment in the Beatles career, as far as advancing on the realm of psychedelia goes, comes with the second number, McCartney’s “Eleanor Rigby.”

The tale of a lonely spinster, and the lonely people in her life, such as it was, is seen “wearing a face that she keeps in a glass by the door.” Well then. You didn’t get this on Rubber Soul, or anywhere else. Here the sound is clean, string-laden, the stuff of Edwardian minstrels leaving the band back home and tending to a respectful threnody.

McCartney explores more iterations of this sonic mood, though with more joy, throughout Revolver. “Here, There and Everywhere” is the finest love song of his career, a quiet, sunlit number, with degrees of affection becoming more pronounced in charming modulations. “For No One,” a piano track with a French horn solo by Alan Civil, is the emotional flipside of “Here, There and Everywhere,” and yet strangely uplifting as a song lamenting “what ifs.” McCartney is commanding melodic possibilities at the loftiest of levels, and you sense that there is nothing he can’t do with it. Including, even, making you look forward to a bit of heartache.

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#1. To: Deckard (#0)

Nah - "Revolution Number 9" was better.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k-NwzozflCQ

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Rufus T Firefly  posted on  2016-08-05   11:17:33 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#2. To: Deckard (#0)

Is the Beatles’ ‘Revolver’ the Best Rock Record Ever?

Could be - it's certainly an excellent record.

A government strong enough to impose your standards is strong enough to ban them.

ConservingFreedom  posted on  2016-08-05   12:22:25 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#3. To: Deckard (#0)

" Is the Beatles’ ‘Revolver’ the Best Rock Record Ever? "

Well, there are a lot of great rock records, but to pick this one, or any other as the "best", no.

Si vis pacem, para bellum

Those who beat their swords into plowshares will plow for those who don't

Rebellion to tyrants is obedience to God.

if you look around, we have gone so far down the the rat hole, the almighty is going to have to apologize to Sodom and Gomorrah, if we don't have a judgement come down on us.

President Obama is the greatest hoax ever perpetrated on the American people. --Clint Eastwood

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Stoner  posted on  2016-08-05   12:41:24 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#4. To: ConservingFreedom (#2)

Could be - it's certainly an excellent record.

It's for sure top ten anyways, along with "Can't Buy A Thrill" By Steely Dan, "Dark Side of The Moon" by Pink Floyd, "Are you Experienced" by Jimi Hendrix, "This Year's Model" by Elvis Costello.

Oh, and "Especially For You" by The Smithereens.

“Truth is treason in the empire of lies.” - Ron Paul

"America is at that awkward stage. It's too late to work within the system, but too early to shoot the bastards."

Deckard  posted on  2016-08-05   14:16:59 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#5. To: Stoner (#3)

Well, there are a lot of great rock records, but to pick this one, or any other as the "best", no.

I agree, it's impossible to pick a "best" album.

I guess I go by whether all of the songs are great and if you can listen to the entire album without getting bored.

“Truth is treason in the empire of lies.” - Ron Paul

"America is at that awkward stage. It's too late to work within the system, but too early to shoot the bastards."

Deckard  posted on  2016-08-05   14:18:22 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#6. To: Deckard (#5)

" I guess I go by whether all of the songs are great and if you can listen to the entire album without getting bored. "

Interesting way to analyze an album. And, I think a pretty good one.

I have listened to a number of albums that had one or two really good tracks, and thought the others sucked.

Si vis pacem, para bellum

Those who beat their swords into plowshares will plow for those who don't

Rebellion to tyrants is obedience to God.

if you look around, we have gone so far down the the rat hole, the almighty is going to have to apologize to Sodom and Gomorrah, if we don't have a judgement come down on us.

President Obama is the greatest hoax ever perpetrated on the American people. --Clint Eastwood

"I am concerned for the security of our great nation; not so much because of any threat from without, but because of the insidious forces working from within." -- General Douglas MacArthur

Stoner  posted on  2016-08-05   14:22:29 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#7. To: Stoner (#3)

Close your eyes and this sounds like the early Beatles:

misterwhite  posted on  2016-08-05   14:36:48 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#8. To: Deckard (#0)

I have never really been a Beatles fan. I thought they were good but just never bought into all that hype. I was a bigger Wings fan that Beatles fan.

Justified  posted on  2016-08-05   14:37:17 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#9. To: Justified (#8)

I was a bigger Wings fan that Beatles fan.

Reminds me of a Jeopardy episode I saw way back in the 80 where the query involved "Paul McCartney's former band" (meaning The Beatles). The young contestant answered "What is Wings."

Obama has played at being a president while enjoying the perks … golf, insanely expensive vacations at tax-payer expense. He has ignored the responsibilities of the job; no plans, no budgets, no alternatives … just finger pointing; making him a complete failure as a president

no gnu taxes  posted on  2016-08-05   15:15:24 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#10. To: misterwhite (#7)

" Close your eyes and this sounds like the early Beatles: "

Yeah, they sure do.

And the guy playing the 6 string is playing a Rickenbacker like Harrison did. That was not a common guitar in those days, when most played either a Fender or Gibson.

Si vis pacem, para bellum

Those who beat their swords into plowshares will plow for those who don't

Rebellion to tyrants is obedience to God.

if you look around, we have gone so far down the the rat hole, the almighty is going to have to apologize to Sodom and Gomorrah, if we don't have a judgement come down on us.

President Obama is the greatest hoax ever perpetrated on the American people. --Clint Eastwood

"I am concerned for the security of our great nation; not so much because of any threat from without, but because of the insidious forces working from within." -- General Douglas MacArthur

Stoner  posted on  2016-08-05   15:46:29 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#11. To: Stoner (#10)

And the guy playing the 6 string is playing a Rickenbacker like Harrison did. That was not a common guitar in those days, when most played either a Fender or Gibson.

As I recall, many of the bands used Rickenbackers back then, most notably The Byrds, Paul Revere and The Raiders, The Hollies...I read somewhere that Pete Townsend used a Rick on "My Generation" and "Substitute".

Pretty sure Buffalo Springfield and Crosby Stills Nash & Young used the Rickenbacker quite a bit on their songs. Jefferson Airplane too IIRC.

“Truth is treason in the empire of lies.” - Ron Paul

"America is at that awkward stage. It's too late to work within the system, but too early to shoot the bastards."

Deckard  posted on  2016-08-05   16:38:38 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#12. To: Deckard (#0)

This was the best album

Obama has played at being a president while enjoying the perks … golf, insanely expensive vacations at tax-payer expense. He has ignored the responsibilities of the job; no plans, no budgets, no alternatives … just finger pointing; making him a complete failure as a president

no gnu taxes  posted on  2016-08-05   17:10:37 ET  (1 image) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#13. To: no gnu taxes (#12) (Edited)

This was the best album

Yep - one of the best for sure. As far as live albums, I'd put it right near the top.

J. Geils Band "Full House" is in the same ballpark.

“Truth is treason in the empire of lies.” - Ron Paul

"America is at that awkward stage. It's too late to work within the system, but too early to shoot the bastards."

Deckard  posted on  2016-08-05   17:34:54 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#14. To: no gnu taxes (#12)

I prefer Night Moves - Stranger in Town is very good but just a little too polished for my druthers.

A government strong enough to impose your standards is strong enough to ban them.

ConservingFreedom  posted on  2016-08-05   17:44:36 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#15. To: Deckard (#0)

Not even top 100. Back in black is better. So is a ton of other stuff.

A K A Stone  posted on  2016-08-05   18:30:39 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#16. To: Deckard (#13)

If you want blood is better.

A K A Stone  posted on  2016-08-05   18:31:15 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#17. To: A K A Stone (#15)

I agree.

I'll listen to AC/DC or Aerosmith ANYDAY over the Beatles.

I'm the infidel... Allah warned you about. كافر المسلح

GrandIsland  posted on  2016-08-05   18:57:26 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#18. To: A K A Stone (#15) (Edited)

Back in black is better.

Never been a fan of AC/DC - all their songs sound the same to me.

It's not as if they have done anything revolutionary since their inception.

“Truth is treason in the empire of lies.” - Ron Paul

"America is at that awkward stage. It's too late to work within the system, but too early to shoot the bastards."

Deckard  posted on  2016-08-05   19:15:31 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#19. To: Deckard (#18)

It's not as if they have done anything revolutionary since their inception.

Revolutionary? Like writting every song about drugs?

Lucy in the Sky with Diamonds = LSD

I'm the infidel... Allah warned you about. كافر المسلح

GrandIsland  posted on  2016-08-05   19:40:01 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#20. To: Deckard (#18)

When an acdc song comes on i know what it is within a few seconds. So how can they all be the same?

A K A Stone  posted on  2016-08-05   20:19:10 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#21. To: Deckard (#18)

Having the best selling rock album out of every rock group in history isn't Revolutionary now is it?

A K A Stone  posted on  2016-08-05   20:21:16 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#22. To: GrandIsland (#19) (Edited)

Revolutionary? Like writting every song about drugs?

Very few of the songs were about "drugs". I'm talking about stylistically, venturing into different sounds, you know - creative stuff instead of playing the same three-chord song over and over with little variation.

Lucy in the Sky with Diamonds = LSD

Seems to me you would want to do a little research before making a fool of yourself.

Lucy in the Sky with Diamonds

Lennon's son Julian inspired the song with a nursery school drawing he called "Lucy—in the sky with diamonds". Shortly after the song's release, speculation arose that the first letter of each of the title nouns intentionally spelled LSD.

Lennon consistently denied this,insisting the song was inspired by Lewis Carroll's Alice in Wonderland books, a claim repeatedly confirmed by Paul McCartney.

You'd be better off opining on songs about going on a highway to hell.

“Truth is treason in the empire of lies.” - Ron Paul

"America is at that awkward stage. It's too late to work within the system, but too early to shoot the bastards."

Deckard  posted on  2016-08-05   20:27:59 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#23. To: A K A Stone (#20)

When an acdc song comes on i know what it is within a few seconds.

Good for you.

So how can they all be the same?

All I am saying is that AC/DC hasn't done anything stylistically different for what - 25 years?

Not exactly the paragons of creativity, wouldn't you agree?

“Truth is treason in the empire of lies.” - Ron Paul

"America is at that awkward stage. It's too late to work within the system, but too early to shoot the bastards."

Deckard  posted on  2016-08-05   20:31:03 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#24. To: A K A Stone (#21) (Edited)

Having the best selling rock album out of every rock group in history isn't Revolutionary now is it?

Oh - you are going by popularity? Good grief, is that how you judge the quality of music, by how many other people like it? What's "revolutionary" about that?

Sorry, but being "popular" doesn't mean the same thing as being "good".

Anyways, "Back in Black" is #2 behind "Thriller"

I guess that makes Michael Jackson the BEST musician of all time.

“Truth is treason in the empire of lies.” - Ron Paul

"America is at that awkward stage. It's too late to work within the system, but too early to shoot the bastards."

Deckard  posted on  2016-08-05   20:36:14 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#25. To: Deckard (#24)

Anyways, "Back in Black" is #2 behind "Thriller"

Thriller wasn't a "rock" album, dip shit. Stone said, "Having the best selling rock album"

Why do you consistently spin bullshit out of everything you spew?

I'm the infidel... Allah warned you about. كافر المسلح

GrandIsland  posted on  2016-08-05   20:47:14 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#26. To: ConservingFreedom, no gnu taxes (#14)

I prefer Night Moves - Stranger in Town is very good but just a little too polished for my druthers.

I was somewhat disappointed with Seger's 2014 album "Ride Out".

It just didn't seem to have the same fire as his previous releases.

His cover of John Hiatt's "Detroit Made" was pretty good though.

“Truth is treason in the empire of lies.” - Ron Paul

"America is at that awkward stage. It's too late to work within the system, but too early to shoot the bastards."

Deckard  posted on  2016-08-05   20:49:25 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#27. To: GrandIsland (#25)

Stone said, "Having the best selling rock album"

yeah, he did say that.

The point is that popularity does not necessarily equal quality.

Look, I like a few of their songs, actually the only music I don't like is rap and hip-hop.

“Truth is treason in the empire of lies.” - Ron Paul

"America is at that awkward stage. It's too late to work within the system, but too early to shoot the bastards."

Deckard  posted on  2016-08-05   20:53:24 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#28. To: A K A Stone (#21)

Having the best selling rock album out of every rock group in history isn't Revolutionary now is it?

No, it isn't.

Meat Loaf's debut is the #3 rock album - is that really the third best rock album of all time?

A government strong enough to impose your standards is strong enough to ban them.

ConservingFreedom  posted on  2016-08-05   21:08:57 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#29. To: Deckard (#24)

Yes back in black is behind thriller. But i worded it carefully i didn't include solo artists. Michael Jackson is also very talented.

A K A Stone  posted on  2016-08-05   21:54:36 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#30. To: Deckard (#11)

Really? Harrison is the only one I remember. Do not hear of anyone using them anymore.

I played in a band with a guy that owned one, but he always left it at home. He primarily used an Ephiphone, don't remember which model, solid body, a Fender Telecaster, and a Guild semi. Very talented guitar player. He usually played right handed, but strung the guitar for left hand. He could flip it over and still play. He could play right or left handed, and strung either way. You could always tell the guitar players in the crowd, they would stand at the edge of the stage, and would just stare. I saw him in the middle of a song flip it over and finish the song playing left handed. It would always freak them out.

The guy was very talented.

Si vis pacem, para bellum

Those who beat their swords into plowshares will plow for those who don't

Rebellion to tyrants is obedience to God.

if you look around, we have gone so far down the the rat hole, the almighty is going to have to apologize to Sodom and Gomorrah, if we don't have a judgement come down on us.

President Obama is the greatest hoax ever perpetrated on the American people. --Clint Eastwood

"I am concerned for the security of our great nation; not so much because of any threat from without, but because of the insidious forces working from within." -- General Douglas MacArthur

Stoner  posted on  2016-08-05   23:31:57 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#31. To: Deckard (#13)

The funny thing is I still have the 8 track tape of that album.

Obama has played at being a president while enjoying the perks … golf, insanely expensive vacations at tax-payer expense. He has ignored the responsibilities of the job; no plans, no budgets, no alternatives … just finger pointing; making him a complete failure as a president

no gnu taxes  posted on  2016-08-06   7:43:33 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#32. To: Stoner (#30)

Do not hear of anyone using them (Rickenbackers) anymore.

Actually, there are quite a few - Tom Petty for one...R.E.M. uses them a lot as do most of the "jangle pop" bands, Smithereens, Bangles, Gin Blossoms etc.

Here's a pretty extensive list : Rickenbacker players

Probably nothing you hear on the radio though - what passes for music these days on the radio for the most part is dreadful.

“Truth is treason in the empire of lies.” - Ron Paul

"America is at that awkward stage. It's too late to work within the system, but too early to shoot the bastards."

Deckard  posted on  2016-08-06   12:22:37 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#33. To: no gnu taxes (#31)

The funny thing is I still have the 8 track tape of that album.

I'm surprised that you own 8 tracks, I didn't think you were that old.

“Truth is treason in the empire of lies.” - Ron Paul

"America is at that awkward stage. It's too late to work within the system, but too early to shoot the bastards."

Deckard  posted on  2016-08-06   12:23:25 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#34. To: Deckard (#32)

" Actually, there are quite a few "

Really, LOL, I guess I am behind the times, LOL

Si vis pacem, para bellum

Those who beat their swords into plowshares will plow for those who don't

Rebellion to tyrants is obedience to God.

if you look around, we have gone so far down the the rat hole, the almighty is going to have to apologize to Sodom and Gomorrah, if we don't have a judgement come down on us.

President Obama is the greatest hoax ever perpetrated on the American people. --Clint Eastwood

"I am concerned for the security of our great nation; not so much because of any threat from without, but because of the insidious forces working from within." -- General Douglas MacArthur

Stoner  posted on  2016-08-06   13:03:52 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#35. To: Deckard (#33)

I'm from the 70's. Graduated HS in 78. Eight tracks were very popular throughout the mid 70's even until the late 70s. They were pretty much gone by 81, though.

I just hang onto that tape as a relic. I doubt it would even play anymore, even if I could find an 8 track tape player.

Obama has played at being a president while enjoying the perks … golf, insanely expensive vacations at tax-payer expense. He has ignored the responsibilities of the job; no plans, no budgets, no alternatives … just finger pointing; making him a complete failure as a president

no gnu taxes  posted on  2016-08-06   16:53:47 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#36. To: Deckard (#32)

Smithereens, Bangles, Gin Blossoms

Love 'em!

Here's a pretty extensive list : Rickenbacker players

Includes another band whose sound (and songs) I love: the Pretenders.

A government strong enough to impose your standards is strong enough to ban them.

ConservingFreedom  posted on  2016-08-06   17:18:28 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#37. To: ConservingFreedom (#36)

Includes another band whose sound (and songs) I love: the Pretenders.

I snicker to this day as to how Limbaugh hijacked a song by this group as the intro to his show.

Obama has played at being a president while enjoying the perks … golf, insanely expensive vacations at tax-payer expense. He has ignored the responsibilities of the job; no plans, no budgets, no alternatives … just finger pointing; making him a complete failure as a president

no gnu taxes  posted on  2016-08-06   19:57:49 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#38. To: no gnu taxes (#37)

I snicker to this day as to how Limbaugh hijacked a song by this group as the intro to his show.

I refuse to listen to it for just that reason.

Not a fan of Limbaugh anymore - I used to be back in the early 90's though.

“Truth is treason in the empire of lies.” - Ron Paul

"America is at that awkward stage. It's too late to work within the system, but too early to shoot the bastards."

Deckard  posted on  2016-08-06   21:47:58 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#39. To: ConservingFreedom (#36)

Smithereens, Bangles, Gin Blossoms

Love 'em!

Yeah - I'm a big fan of the power-pop genre.

Ever listened to Tommy Keene?

“Truth is treason in the empire of lies.” - Ron Paul

"America is at that awkward stage. It's too late to work within the system, but too early to shoot the bastards."

Deckard  posted on  2016-08-06   21:57:17 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#40. To: Deckard (#0)

Revolver is good . Abbey Road is their best .

In bridge, you have wild cards called trump cards. The trump cards are really wild because they change from hand to hand, depending on the bidding.

tomder55  posted on  2016-08-06   22:50:33 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  



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