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International News Title: Live BR EXIT vote When it was 1.5% in it was 49.5 stay, 50.5 leave, the leaves seem to widening the gap. 2.6% Reporting Votes Remain a member of the European Union 48.4% 280,820
Leave the European Union 51.6% 299,598 Poster Comment: This is a wonderful surprise. Post Comment Private Reply Ignore Thread Top • Page Up • Full Thread • Page Down • Bottom/Latest Begin Trace Mode for Comment # 94. It would have been impossible, even 5 months ago, for me to ever consider writing these words and actually meaning them. I could never imagine myself really cheering on ENGLAND, the hereditary foe. But here goes: RULE BRITANNIA! BRITANNIA RULE THE WAVES! BRITONS NEVER, NEVER, NEVER SHALL BE SLAVES! God Save the Queen! If the British do this thing, France will follow suit - the French people are really disgusted with the EU now, especially after Germany soiled the bed by opening up to millions of Muslim immigrants without consulting anybody. I was rooting for Scottish Independence because I really just hate the English. But if the English actually do it, if they really decide to recapture their sovereignty tonight, I will want to kiss every Englishwoman or Englishman I meet. GULP. Rule Britannia! GULP.
#39. To: Vicomte13 (#1) Question is...Why is Cameron resigning?
#42. To: redleghunter (#39) Question is...Why is Cameron resigning? Cameron is resigning because he has a vision of the world. His vision of the world included a strong Britain participating in and growing prosperous through participation in the larger E.U. He believed that the Scots at heart wanted to part of the UK, so he gave them their referendum, campaigned diligently for them to stay, and proved to know the Scots well: they voted to stay. Likewise, Cameron looked at the UK as a whole, and the difficult and paralyzed political environment caused by Euroskepticism in Britain. He saw that the best future of the UK was as a member in economic unity with Europe, and he believed in it. He thought that the majority of his people believed in it to, so he permitted a referendum specifically to address the issue, once and for all - to let the British people speak and, by their vote for remaining, to be able to clear aside the resistance of the minority to forward steps for further integration with the EU, which he has always believed was best for Britain. Last night the British people, and particularly the English people, told him quite decisively that they do not agree, that they do not share his belief in the EU, that they want to go another way, a sovereigntist, independent way. Cameron respects the British people - that's why he let them vote on it. He respects them, but he did not fully understand them. They do not want to go whither he would lead them. They said so last night. He's heartbroken by it, obviously, but he is also a fundamentally decent and democratic man. The People have spoken, and he respects their verdict. But he himself simply does not believe in the course they have chosen. He cannot enthusiastically embrace it and pretend that he does. Where he would lead them, they will not follow. He doesn't have the heart in it to want to lead them where they do want to go. He doesn't believe in it. It is as he said: he is not the right captain for the ship of state on that course. So instead of remaining in power and using his position to obstruct and delay the will of the British people, he decided to relinquish command and give it up to some other leader who is willing to sail that course, who believes in it. He doesn't. He did not inveigh against or berate the British people. He acknowledged their democratic choice and respects it. He also respects himself and his own beliefs, and does not want to lead his nation in a direction he doesn't support. I think what Cameron has done here is utterly decent. He really seems to be a good man. I'm reminded of the Honorable Sam Houston, hero of the War of 1812 with Andrew Jackson, governor of Tennessee, then victorious at San Jacinto where he captured Santa Ana and won Texas independence, twice elected President of the Republic of Texas, and elected governor of the State of Texas in 1859. In 1861, a secession convention voted to secede from the Union. Houston refused to swear loyalty to the Confederacy and so was removed from office. When offered a US Army command to suppress the rebellion in Texas, he also refused, preferring instead to retire to his rural home in Huntsville, where he died before the war ended. After he was ousted from the governor's office (on March 28, 1861), as he traveled he was confronted by many Texans who demanded that he explain why he refused to support the Confederacy. Here was his public answer, given from a hotel window in Galveston on April 19, 1861:
""Let me tell you what is coming. After the sacrifice of countless millions of treasure and hundreds of thousands of lives, you may win Southern independence if God be not against you, but I doubt it. I tell you that, while I believe with you in the doctrine of states rights, the North is determined to preserve this Union. They are not a fiery, impulsive people as you are, for they live in colder climates. But when they begin to move in a given direction, they move with the steady momentum and perseverance of a mighty avalanche; and what I fear is, they will overwhelm the South." Cameron does not believe in Brexit. And, like Sam Houston, he is not willing to lead his nation into what he believes to be a disaster. That is why he resigned.
#50. To: Vicomte13, redleghunter, nativist nationalist, AKA Stone (#42) (Question is...Why is Cameron resigning?) Yes. Cameron is resigning exactly because his nightmarish vision of the world was roundly rejected -- a vision in which subservience and enslavement of personal and national sovereignty of Britain was sacrificed on the altar of his satanic/fascist One World Government masters; His vision where only two classes exist: serf and lord. His loyalty was pledged NOT to Britain, but to his EU overlords. Cameron respects the British people - that's why he let them vote on it. He "LET" them?? Well, wasn't THAT awfully white of him? Cameron was an Elitist, with a capital "E". He was Lord of the Flies. He did NOT represent the best interests of the British people. He's lucky he's not run out on a rail straight to Brussels thru the Chunnel as a cautionary tale to other American and Western Elites whose personal "vision" eliminated common sense immigration policy, consent of the governed and pride in a national identity.
Cameron looked at the UK as a whole, and the difficult and paralyzed political environment caused by Euroskepticism in Britain. He saw that the best future of the UK was as a member in economic unity with Europe, and he believed in it. At what price? Samuel Adams said it better than anyone: "If ye love wealth better than liberty, Btw, that so-called "Euroskepticism in Britain" was caused by impractically insane micro-management of British life under the boot of un-elected bureaucrats in Brussels, and the EU's insane immigration policy which flooded it's green and pleasant land which the stain of unfettered jihadis. As an aside -- why are mainstays Sneakypete and TooConservative gone? If they disapprove of Trump, then so what. Let everyone debate the way the forum has always been played. We disapproved when JR censored. Of course the usual idiots should be jettisoned.
#59. To: Liberator (#50) Tooconservative isn't banned. Never was.
#78. To: TooConservative (#59) There is a great deal of talk about you here. You're not banned, so, are you dead? In a coma? Hospitalized with horrible burns after a tragic accident? Or just bored with political life of late?
#81. To: Vicomte13 (#78) I limited tc's posting to 20 comments and no articles for 2 or 3 days. It made him mad and he hasn't been back. He probably didn't deserve it. He was just irritating me. He is a good poster and a good person on my view.
#86. To: A K A Stone (#81) Fair enough. How long ago was that?
#90. To: Vicomte13 (#86) His last post was april 13 so that is when.
#94. To: A K A Stone (#90) His last post was april 13 so that is when. Ah well, that happens. I've had a few temper tantrums myself, and gone away. I get bored and come back. He apparently has other things to do with his time, so he has stayed away. In the end it doesn't really make a difference either way. Brexiit was fun, Now if we can get Trump and a Frexit out of it, that'd be even better.
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