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Title: Getting it Straight – Nationalism, Patriotism, and Libertarianism
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Published: Jun 3, 2016
Author: Justin Raimondo
Post Date: 2016-06-03 18:02:40 by tpaine
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Getting it Straight – Nationalism, Patriotism, and Libertarianism stumpinfortrump.com/2016/...ing-straight- nationalism- patriotism-libertarianism/ Justin Raimondo The nation isn’t the government I was struck by a tweet from libertarian Republican congressman Justin Amash, who has become the “new Ron Paul” now that the three-time presidential candidate and libertarian icon has taken a well-deserved rest from politics. The other day he tweeted: Patriotism & nationalism are profoundly different. Patriotism is love of country. FA Hayek called nationalism "a twin brother of socialism." — Justin Amash (@justinamash) May 9, 2016 Amash, who has vowed to never support GOP frontrunner and likely presidential nominee Donald Trump, undoubtedly had the New York real estate mogul in mind, but no matter what one thinks of The Donald, Amash is quite wrong about the nature of American nationalism and the meaning of “patriotism.” To begin with, Hayek was clearly talking about European nationalism, not the American variety. I’ll get to the difference between them, but I want first to point out the irony of Amash’s citation of this particular Hayek quote, because the great libertarian theorist was here talking about the problem of centralization: that is, the growing tendency of smaller political units to be subordinated to and swallowed up by bigger entities. If we place Hayek’s discussion in the present context, then it becomes clear that nationalism is not the enemy but a (potential) friend of liberty. For the modern trend is toward supra-national entities, like the European Union, the UN, and the North American “Free Trade” Agreement, which are engaged in erecting precisely that “society which is consciously organized from the top” so abhorred by Hayek. When nationalism is arrayed against globalism, i.e. against the concept of a regional super-state, or even a World State, libertarians must clearly take sides with the former. Furthermore, what is a “nation,” exactly? The libertarian theorist Murray Rothbard takes on this question in his trenchant essay “Nations By Consent: Decomposing the Nation-State,” and his ability to cut through to the heart of any question underscores the error made by Amash and anti- nationalist libertarians in general: “Libertarians tend to focus on two important units of analysis: the individual and the state. And yet, one of the most dramatic and significant events of our time has been the re-emergence – with a bang – in the last few years of a third and much- neglected aspect of the real world, the ‘nation.’ When the nation has been thought of at all, it usually comes attached to the state, as in the common word nation-state, but this concept takes a particular development in recent centuries and elaborates it into a universal maxim. In recent years, however, we have seen, as a corollary of the collapse of communism in the Soviet Union and in Eastern Europe, a vivid and startlingly swift decomposition of the centralized state or alleged nation- state into its constituent nationalities. The genuine nation, or nationality, has made a dramatic reappearance on the world stage. “The nation, of course, is not the same thing as the state, a difference that earlier libertarians, such as Ludwig von Mises and Albert Jay Nock understood full well. Contemporary libertarians often assume, mistakenly, that individuals are bound to each other only by the nexus of market exchange. They forget that everyone is born into a family, a language, and a culture. Every person is born into one or several overlapping communities, usually including an ethnic group, with specific values, cultures, religious beliefs, and traditions. He is generally born into a country; he is always born into a specific time and place, meaning neighborhood and land area.” In short, the “nation” consists entirely of non-governmental structures and institutions: it is the web of social interactions and cultural context which the government spends most of its energy trying to bend to its will. In a free society, this effort is largely unsuccessful: in a dictatorship, the state has replaced the nation and substituted its own “culture,” imposed from the top, for the traditions and values that have been established over time by the voluntary actions and decision-making of individuals. What Amash forgets, or never knew, is that from a libertarian perspective American nationalism is sui generis. Nationalism, after all, is by definition the valorization of a nation’s heritage, its traditions, and most especially its origins. And how did the American nation originate? Why, in the first – and only – successful libertarian revolution in world history. “Constitutional conservatives” of Amash’s sort are constantly invoking the Constitution as some sort of sacred canon, the libertarianur-text through which all issues must be viewed. We’ll pass over just how libertarian this document is – there’s a large and persuasive school of libertarian thought that views the adoption of the Constitution as a counterrevolution – and ask: where does Amash think that holy writ came from? It was made possible by those who had fought a revolution and established a nation, one founded on the supremacy of individual liberty. This is what differentiated it from the nations of Europe, and what, in the end, separated American nationalism out from the European varieties. In Europe, nationalism inevitably meant the growth of State power at the expense of regional autonomy and individual liberty: in America, it meant the victory of a libertarian revolution and the establishment of a government that respected both the rights of the separate states and individual autonomy. Walled off by two oceans from a world dominated by monarchs and aggressors, born in a revolt against imperialism, imbued with a culture that nurtured the free individual, America is truly the exceptional nation, albeit not in the way today’s purveyors of “American exceptionalism” usually mean it. An American nationalist isn’t a Bismarckian: he’s a Jeffersonian. Mutants like Teddy Roosevelt – and his contemporary fan club, the neoconservatives – are the exception that proves the rule. Speaking very generally, American libertarianism is consistent nationalism: not the expansionist, militaristic nationalism of Europe, but that of the Founders. In this country, a nationalist necessarily upholds the American tradition of limited government, the rule of law, and – yes – “isolationism” (“She goes not abroad in search of monsters to destroy”). No wonder John Kerry preaches the virtues of a “borderless world,” and warns graduating students of the dangers of “looking inward”! Empires aspiring to world hegemony don’t recognize the legitimacy of borders, and as for looking inward – why do that when we have a whole world to conquer? In a world where supranational bureaucracies – who want to centralize economic and political decision-making and put it in the hands of a trans-national elite – are actively subverting the very idea of national sovereignty, nationalists are on the right side of the barricades. Should Catalonia be forced to be a part of Spain? Should England be dragooned into the European Union? Should the American economy be ruled by a World Central Bank? What “libertarian” can answer yes? I am struck, in the Rothbard quote cited above, by the phrase a “much-neglected aspect of the real world.” Libertarians, all too often, have to be constantly reminded of the real world, as opposed to the world of floating abstractions they sometimes seem to inhabit. It is one thing to have principles: it’s quite another, however, to apply those principles to reality – not by compromising them, but by recognizing that one-dimensional models of human behavior will not chart a course to liberty. And now a word about “patriotism”: this concept has been used as a bludgeon against opponents of every war in American history, and is trotted out to smear government critics as “unpatriotic,” if not outright traitors. Such expressions of “patriotism” as the Pledge of Allegiance (authored by a socialist), and the odious maxim “My country right or wrong,” are nothing more than state-worship, the very opposite of true nationalism in the American sense. Poster Comment: "Amash, who has vowed to never support GOP frontrunner and likely presidential nominee Donald Trump, undoubtedly had the New York real estate mogul in mind, but no matter what one thinks of The Donald, Amash is quite wrong about the nature of American nationalism and the meaning of “patriotism.” Sounds like Justin supports Trump. -- So do I.
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In Europe, nationalism inevitably meant the growth of State power at the expense of regional autonomy and individual liberty: in America, it meant the victory of a libertarian revolution and the establishment of a government that respected both the rights of the separate states and individual autonomy. Walled off by two oceans from a world dominated by monarchs and aggressors, born in a revolt against imperialism, imbued with a culture that nurtured the free individual, America is truly the exceptional nation, albeit not in the way today’s purveyors of “American exceptionalism” usually mean it. An American nationalist isn’t a Bismarckian: he’s a Jeffersonian. Speaking very generally, American libertarianism is consistent nationalism: not the expansionist, militaristic nationalism of Europe, but that of the Founders. I'd bet that Trump would agree wholeheartedly with the bold words above. And I'll also bet that some of Trumps self-proclaimed supporters here will not. --- Phonies? You bet...
Say it.... PRESIDENT TRUMP. Best get use to it. lol I'm the infidel... Allah warned you about. كافر المسلح
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Amash is a good man - I would have voted for him as President. He makes Rand Paul look like a neocon. Too bad that the Libertarian Party didn't get a rational thinker like him instead of the flake Gary Johnson. Have no fear, you still have the Commie Sanders. The grassroots socialist. He even has vile dysfunctionally ignorant supporters like Ron Paul had. You should relate. lol I'm the infidel... Allah warned you about. كافر المسلح
Right - I don't support the circus clown Trump so in your feeble mind, that must mean I will vote for Sanders. He even has vile dysfunctionally ignorant supporters... The only "vile dysfunctionally ignorant supporters" I've seen lately are you and the rest of the Trump wet-panty brigade. Sounds like Justin supports Trump. -- So do I. Are you laughing because you've made a fool of yourself? -- Or is it that you just can't read?
You lie. All the disruption after Trumps rallies are by Tacos, Urban zoo animals, OWS tools and Libertariantards. That is fact. I'm the infidel... Allah warned you about. كافر المسلح
I read fine... I realize you claim you're voting by way of Trump. I hardly believe it.
I'm the infidel... Allah warned you about. كافر المسلح
Not really. Nationalism is protecting your country financially as much as a patriot would do with force. You can not have 2 difference laws for your country and another country. It will end in suicide of the country. One side trade agreements have been disastrous. Socialism is government run everything using popular vote which in the end is no different than crony capitalism. Central planning by a few corrupt people.
Are you laughing because you've made a fool of yourself? -- Or is it that you just can't read? More the fool you.
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Not really. Nationalism is protecting your country financially as much as a patriot would do with force. You can not have 2 difference laws for your country and another country. It will end in suicide of the country. One side trade agreements have been disastrous. It appears that you agree with the author, Justin Raimondo, -- as I do. I don't quite get your point on how crony capitalism is central planning socialism. Can you explain further?
You sure are! The difference between Obama and Tump Because a corrupt few rule over the many.
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Great graphic!
A government strong enough to impose your standards is strong enough to ban them. Too funny!
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How did the American nation originate? Why, in the first – and only – successful libertarian revolution in world history.
#2. To: tpaine (#1)
#3. To: tpaine (#0)
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#4. To: tpaine (#0)
(Edited)
Patriotism & nationalism are profoundly different. Patriotism is love of country. FA Hayek called nationalism "a twin brother of socialism."
“Truth is treason in the empire of lies.” - Ron Paul
"America is at that awkward stage. It's too late to work within the system, but too early to shoot the bastards."
#5. To: Deckard (#4)
Gary Johnson the flake.
#6. To: GrandIsland (#5)
Have no fear, you still have the Commie Sanders.
“Truth is treason in the empire of lies.” - Ron Paul
"America is at that awkward stage. It's too late to work within the system, but too early to shoot the bastards."
#7. To: GrandIsland, laughing out loud at himself (#2)
Say it.... PRESIDENT TRUMP. Best get use to it. -- lol
#8. To: Deckard (#6)
The only "vile dysfunctionally ignorant supporters" I've seen lately are you and the rest of the Trump wet-panty brigade.
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#10. To: tpaine (#0)
Patriotism & nationalism are profoundly different. Patriotism is love of country. FA Hayek called nationalism "a twin brother of socialism."
#11. To: GrandIsland (#9)
I read fine... I realize you claim you're voting by way of Trump. I hardly believe it.
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#13. To: Justified (#10)
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Patriotism & nationalism are profoundly different. Patriotism is love of country. FA Hayek called nationalism "a twin brother of socialism." --- — Justin Amash (@justinamash) May 9, 2016
Socialism is government run everything using popular vote which in the end is no different than crony capitalism. Central planning by a few corrupt people.
#14. To: BorisY (#12)
burn out zombie
"We (government) need to do a lot less, a lot sooner" ~Ron Paul
#15. To: tpaine (#13)
I don't quite get your point on how crony capitalism is central planning socialism.
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