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Title: Donald Trump, Draft Dodger: Why It Matters
Source:
The Resurgent
URL Source: http://theresurgent.com/donald-trump-draft-dodger-why-it-matters/
Published: May 18, 2016
Author: Anne Evans
Post Date: 2016-05-31 19:18:56 by Willie Green
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Views: 22648
Comments: 67
The United States drafted both my grandfathers and my great uncle for World War II. They weren’t eager for war. They weren’t eager to pick up a gun. But when Uncle Sam called, they answered. They did their duty and they fought for their country because that’s who they were, men of integrity. Not quite thirty years later, war once against engulfed the United States and the draft was re-instituted for men of Donald Trump’s age. Trump also wasn’t eager for war or to pick up a gun, so he invented fallacious medical reports about bone spurs and dodged the draft multiple times. The United States now has a volunteer military force and many years have passed since the draft. Our men and women in the armed forces are still courageous and patriotic. My husband volunteered to fight. He has served in the Army coming up on ten years now and has deployed with the current conflict. Yet, as a volunteer army has become normal to America, we have forgotten what draft-dodging says about a man’s character. I didn’t know my grandfathers well. My maternal grandfather died when I was a baby and my paternal grandfather became very ill when I was just a young child, but I remember my great uncle talking about World War II. He’d sometimes reminisce about the year his brother and he were drafted. They were the children of Hungarian immigrants, the first generation to be born American citizens. Their dad had died in the coal mines and my uncle and grandfather struggled to finish their schooling while also working odd jobs to help their widowed mom put food on the table. The law in my uncle’s hometown said only one son from a family could be drafted, my uncle told me. But the rich families, my uncle said, they rigged the lotteries so their sons didn’t get drafted and the poor families had to send multiple sons to war. So my uncle and my grandfather, the only surviving sons of a widowed mother, had to leave for war while rich men’s sons sat comfortably at home multiplying their wealth. Almost thirty years after my grandfather and great uncle served, nothing had changed. Rich men like Trump dodged the draft, leaving poor men like my relatives to take on a double burden. My great uncle often told me, “I gave the best years of my life to the Army.” He was proud to serve, but serving took a large toll on him and his family. My great uncle was wounded in the war, and even when he’d reached ninety years of age, I remember the wound still hurting him sometimes. Is Trump ashamed that he skirted the law and so forced poor men to serve and die in his place? Not at all. Instead, he boasted about how many women he slept with during those years, calling the STD risks he took his ‘personal Vietnam.’ Unlike Trump, my relatives never would have thought of running for office. They worked hard just to put food on the table and to provide for their children. Yet they were good men who would never lie, cheat, or steal and chose to answer their country’s call despite great personal sacrifice. Trump inherited millions from his father and will pass more millions on to his children. That’s quite the inheritance, but I’d much rather have the legacy my relatives passed onto me, the legacy of honor (spelled correctly) and integrity. No matter your political leanings, I hope you can agree that’s the kind of legacy we need in our nation’s capital. We need a president who will follow his conscience no matter the cost, not a draft dodger who let poor men’s sons serve and die so he could pursue some playboy dream.
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#1. To: Willie Green (#0)
Bernie Sanders applied for conscientious objector status during the Vietnam War draft. Hillary Clinton claimed that she tried to join the Marines (or maybe it was the Army) in 1975, but was rejected. Unlike husband Bill who was actually drafted in 1969 but pulled some strings and dodged it. And he was elected President ... twice. So if Trump got a legitimate medical deferrment, his position is better than the other three.
Bill who was actually drafted in 1969 but pulled some strings and dodged it. " Yeah, I remember her claiming it was the Marines. I do not remember how Bill got out of it, I don't remember if he claimed some kind of medical issue, or what. Si vis pacem, para bellum Those who beat their swords into plowshares will plow for those who don't Rebellion to tyrants is obedience to God. if you look around, we have gone so far down the the rat hole, the almighty is going to have to apologize to Sodom and Gomorrah, if we don't have a judgement come down on us. President Obama is the greatest hoax ever perpetrated on the American people. --Clint Eastwood "I am concerned for the security of our great nation; not so much because of any threat from without, but because of the insidious forces working from within." -- General Douglas MacArthur
Bill Clinton was a draft dodger, too. And so was, 0bama. In fact, GWBush was high on cocaine during his entire "stint" in the national guard or drunk in the barracks. Mitt Romney was also a draft dodger using every possible means to avoid military service. But the wee wittle people can enjoy military service, according to these dictators.
Willie Green, did yu serve? Did you go to Nam? What branch? Any combat? If I don't hold it agsint Donald or for thatfact Clinton for finding a way not to go, why are you. The womb, the most dangerous place on earth.
The words, “fallacious medical reports” in the article is a hyperlink. After clicking on the link, I expected to find a “fallacious medical report.” There was none. The link lead to another article with basically the same allegations. I actually believe the author expected no one to click on the link and intended to plant in the reader’s subconscious mind that one existed. I am looking for factual confirmation that Trump “invented fallacious medical reports” about bone spurs and “dodged the draft multiple times.” If anyone knows where I can find this information, please be so kind and point it out to me. I have searched the Internet for information on Trump looking for a reason(s) Trump never served. Besides more smear articles, all I can determine from my findings is that Donald Trump did receive a minor medical deferment for bone spurs on both heels of his feet. The medical deferment was short-term and he was entered in the military draft lottery where he received an extremely high number, 356 out of 365. When the draft occurred, they never got near his number and therefore he was never called to serve in the military. This information was released by someone close to Trump. It may have been his lawyer, I just can’t remember. This article is just another of the far too many yellow journalism articles I see posted on LF. It has turned out to be nothing but a negative political smear tactic that launches an unfair political attack using lies, half truths and innuendos. Gawd, I hate yellow journalism … with a passion.
You miss the entire point about MANY wanna-be ... post WW2 USA presidential candidates. They are applying for a job as President to lead the military as Commander in Chief, yet lack the bona-fide skils of actual experience in the US military; take a case, as one example that you possess, tater: peelin' potatoes in the mess hall. Get with the program, soldier!
You guys are really getting desperate, aren't you?
Psalm 37
I thought tater was peeling potatoes in the Air Force mess halls, making him an airman.
Say it, liberal Willie... PRESIDENT TRUMP. Get use to it. lol I'm the infidel... Allah warned you about. كافر المسلح
That's not on offer this election cycle.
Then stop lying !!! Just the facts, from the Texas Department of Transportation (TxDOT) This one can see. Thanks for the correction, Fred.
I did not miss your point … I say that you have NO point. The connection between service in the military and election to the highest office in the land has been severed. The aspect relationship was severed during the VIetnam War. Military service has long ceased to be an asset when running for POTUS. Some presidential candidates who served struggled to connect with voters who often hated war, and still do. For example, Gore played down his service in Nam and Kerry’s service definitely proved to be a huge liability. You can of course remember “swift boating.” The long period of time from 1944 to 2008 during which time at least one candidate had served in uniform is actually something of an historical anomaly. Check history, and you will find that a very few President or losing nominees had any military experiences at all. I have serious doubts about your idea that serving in the military invests someone with superior qualities that make them uniquely qualified to be president. We are entering an period where the odds of a candidate having served in the military are significantly lower. You can say that it is a bad thing for a president not to have served in the military, while others will say it is not. I will say that it is neither a good thing nor a bad thing … it is merely a fact of life. Bucky, you are a “political dinosaur.” Quit trying to live in the past. Bucky, you are a libertarian and libertarians hate war. Yet the requirement for a president to have served in the military is STRONG for you. I contend that it is not and that you only single this aspect out to use against Trump because you continually look for anything to try to use against him. Because you have a requirement for a president to be a military man, while you are a libertarian … I contend that you are a hypocrite.
Gawd, I hate yellow journalism … with a passion.
Sarge, that is because you don't understand the dynamics of war. You think that when a President sends off American troops into far away nations, that those same troops are having potatoe peelin' contests for phun; kinda like how your cocaine phanatic, GWBush planned and performed in Iraq. Any President that sends troops off to war should have a clear understanding that the troops may die in active combat. The President requires the experience to understand the nature, indeed the gravity of exploitation of American lives in combat, particularly when the wars that the US entertains have little to do with soverign US security.
It's never easy to admit you've made a mistake, but it's a crucial step in learning and improving yourself. Bucky, It can be easy for you to learn from a mistake … after you admit you've made it. But as soon as you start to try to cover it up with a dumb comedic response, you distance yourself far from the lesson. If you stand up straight and courageously and honestly say, “this is a mistake I made and I am solely responsible” then you will have become a man and move forward.
I worry for you, tater. I am not a religious man but I am considering simple prayer for you. I doubt my efforts will help you, but it may be worth a try.
Absolutely. But a president does not need to have military experience to understand this … all he needs for this is compassion. There is no military service “qualification” to be president, what counts is judgment. The president has a Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff who has the required experience to understand the nature and the gravity of sending American lives into combat. The Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff serves as the principal military adviser to the president and receives a salary of 20,263.50 a month … let him earn his friggi’n pay.
Your recommendation is another source or input about contemporary American fascism.
That’s because you don’t see reality correctly. Your emotions, your beliefs and your way of thinking motivates you to distort reality. It causes you to lie to yourself and collect SELECTIVE data to come up with the wrong conclusions.
You call it what you want to. I call it what it is ... FACTUAL.
I worry for you, tater.
You can't distinguish FACT from IMAGINATION.
A Bucky Code for: You have beaten me down and I no longer know what to say in reply to your intelligent posts.
You can't distinguish FACT from IMAGINATION. I can move back on topic: The government charged 210,000 people with draft violations, ranging from burning their draft cards to refusing to serve to fleeing the country. Trump was never charged with violating the Selective Service law. His student deferments were routine. And unless someone has new information, there is no legal issue with his medical deferment.
Really does not matter in post modern politics. Bubba dodged. So many others went in the National Guard. Plus the dope smoking hippies who flew to Canada should emulate Trump for being one of them. Don't know how the leftists have any moral fiber in calling Trump a draft dodger.
Why do you think you have "intelligent posts?" Do you have your face into your lookingglassmirror, again?
I post pertinent and information in an intelligent manner. Writing in DPRK Today, a self-described Chinese North Korean scholar named Han Yong Mook called the presumptive Republican nominee "wise" and a "far-sighted presidential candidate." People from all over the world are praising Trump. Say it, Bucky ... PRESIDENT TRUMP ... say it proudly.
You are getting behind, so I will jump in with another intelligent post. “I raised close to $6 million. It will probably be over that amount when it's all said and done, but as of this moment, it’s $5.6 million,” Trump asserted today at a news conference at Trump Tower in New York.
To Gatlin, Obama is just a Kenyan version of George Washington. He's that far out of touch with reality, and into authority figure worship. George Hussein Washington I would never say that ... you just did. However, now that you bring their names up ... it would be interesting to compare Washington to Obama … let’s do so. On the other hand, President Obama is close-minded and appears to be disengaged. For example, in fighting the war on terror, his advisors have repeated time and again that ground forces are needed to fight ISIS. Retired Army Lt. Gen. Michael Flynn, the head of the Defense Intelligence Agency, stated, “When we give our military commanders a mission, we should allow them to execute that mission, and not overly constrain them with approved authorities, but then having to come back to the administration for permission. Either we need to review those authorities and those permissions, or we need to change the commanders because we apparently don’t trust them to do the job that we’ve given them to do
allow them to execute that mission, and not overly constrain them with approved authorities, but then having to come back to the administration for permission If you want Senator McCain and General Hillary's ISIS to take over your community, elect their "freedom fighters" to your local government. Enjoy your new ISIS mayor and city council executing you without permission from anyone. You do realize that ISIS is trained, equipped and funded by YOU? I didn't vote for any of the Republican and Democrat terrorists running ISIS, but you did. Enjoy your beheading! "Not My Fault" Syndrome.
Let's not forget that Trump has recently made the claim that he "feels like a veteran because I went to military school."
BOYCOTT PAYPAL AND CLOSE YOUR PP ACCOUNTS NOW! ENCOURAGE OTHERS TO DO SO,TOO! ISLAM MEANS SUBMISSION! Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012) American Indians had open borders. Look at how well that worked out for them.
Bernie Sanders applied for conscientious objector status during the Vietnam War draft. Hillary Clinton claimed that she tried to join the Marines (or maybe it was the Army) in 1975, but was rejected. It was the USMC,and she said she flunked the physical because of her poor eyesight,and then the recruiter told her she could do more for the country by going to law school instead. Unlike husband Bill who was actually drafted in 1969 but pulled some strings and dodged it. And he was elected President ... twice. Ahhh,he did more than that. He had his political rabbi Senator William Fullbright pull strings to have the Governor of Arkansas CREATE a slot in the Ark NG for Bubba as a officer so he could avoid the draft while protecting his political future. When Bubba was called to go to basic and other training to justify his commission,he was traveling in the old USSR and visiting the North Korean embassy and staying at the homes of some of the founders of the CPUSSR. Fullbright was one of the most powerful US Senators living and holding office at that time,and was Chairman of the Senate Armed Forces Committee. It is thought by many,me included,that he was the one leaking advance warning of military operations to the North Vietnamese so they could remove their troops and set up ambushes. He was also leaking US negotiating positions in advance to the NVN at the Paris meetings. Bubba did all that and STILL wasn't prosecuted for refusing the call to fill a position created specifically for him,never mind traveling to the USSR and going to the NK embassy in Russia at a time when Americans were normally refused visas to visit the USSR. Which surprised no one given that he had the Governor of Arkansas and Senator Fullbright as rabbis. So if Trump got a legitimate medical deferrment, his position is better than the other three. He didn't. He didn't even bother to go to the induction center for a physical. He was given a pass based on a physical performed by his family doctor. BOYCOTT PAYPAL AND CLOSE YOUR PP ACCOUNTS NOW! ENCOURAGE OTHERS TO DO SO,TOO! ISLAM MEANS SUBMISSION! Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012) American Indians had open borders. Look at how well that worked out for them.
Ever try looking with your eyes open? There is no "official medical report issued by the induction center" because Trump was allowed to use the results of a physical given to him by the family doctor. Trump himself has said during the campaign "I think I had something like bone spurs in my feet,or something,but I can't remember now." BOYCOTT PAYPAL AND CLOSE YOUR PP ACCOUNTS NOW! ENCOURAGE OTHERS TO DO SO,TOO! ISLAM MEANS SUBMISSION! Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012) American Indians had open borders. Look at how well that worked out for them.
Say WHAT? He not only make claims about "going on patrol looking for the enemy",he even posted photos of him "on patrol" wearing brand new web gear and looking down the barrel of a M-16 as he adjusted the sling. This,at a time when the unit he served with were armed with M-14's. He even told at least one war story about being involved in a firefight. He shut up immediately once it was revealed that his job was as the unit reporter and that he not only never left the firebase,but had TWO armed bodyguards following him around inside the firebase whose only duty was to protect the son of the Senator from Tn. BOYCOTT PAYPAL AND CLOSE YOUR PP ACCOUNTS NOW! ENCOURAGE OTHERS TO DO SO,TOO! ISLAM MEANS SUBMISSION! Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012) American Indians had open borders. Look at how well that worked out for them.
Neither was Clinton,and he did far more than just avoid the draft. As for Goober,he even admitted he "volunteered for the draft" (you could volunteer to take the place of someone being drafted and only serve 2 years on active duty instead of the normal 3 year enlistment)because his father was in a tough re-election campaign and having a son serving in VN as enlisted swine would help him. The skids were greased for Goober the whole way,right down to the unit he was to serve in and the job that was created for him. Also,even though he was a Private E-2 or PFC at the time,he was married to Tipsy in DC while wearing the dress blues of a army Captain instead of the green enlisted uniform. He even had a honor guard of serving officers at the wedding. Any normal enlisted man that was caught wearing an officers uniform would have been court-martialed and gone to the army prison,but Goober had his wedding photos in the Washington Post with him wearing an officers uniform and not a word was said. I guess that was because there were no army officers living and working in DC,huh? BOYCOTT PAYPAL AND CLOSE YOUR PP ACCOUNTS NOW! ENCOURAGE OTHERS TO DO SO,TOO! ISLAM MEANS SUBMISSION! Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012) American Indians had open borders. Look at how well that worked out for them.
Don't worry about it. That,like every other "political stand" made by Trump is no more than a suggestion of what he MIGHT do. BOYCOTT PAYPAL AND CLOSE YOUR PP ACCOUNTS NOW! ENCOURAGE OTHERS TO DO SO,TOO! ISLAM MEANS SUBMISSION! Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012) American Indians had open borders. Look at how well that worked out for them.
I say, I wonder why and how the sources in the following links got it all wrong when they said Gore played down his service in Vietnam during his bid for the White Hours: 2 - Gore played down his service in Vietnam during his bid for the White House 3 - Gore played down his service in Vietnam during his bid for the White House
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#2. To: misterwhite (#1)
" Hillary Clinton claimed that she tried to join the Marines (or maybe it was the Army) in 1975, but was rejected.
#3. To: Willie Green (#0)
#4. To: Willie Green (#0)
#5. To: Willie Green, misterwhite, All (#0)
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… so he [Trump] invented fallacious medical reports about bone spurs and dodged the draft multiple times.
The Canary Clan is charged with the responsibility to search impartially for the facts or actualities of a subject or situation. It is eminently qualified to perform this charge by devoting considerable time, deep reflection, careful deliberation, and serious consultation to approach decisions without any particular ideology or agenda. The Canary Clan has a commitment to respect precedent, fairness and a determination to faithfully present the facts.
Long live freedom of speech, long live the Canary Clan and God Bless America!
#6. To: Gatlin (#5)
The Canary Clan is charged with the responsibility to search impartially for the facts ... blah, blah, blah
#7. To: Willie Green (#0)
#8. To: buckeroo (#6)
#9. To: Willie Green (#0)
#10. To: Willie Green (#0)
We need a president who will follow his conscience no matter the cost, not a draft dodger who let poor men’s sons serve and die so he could pursue some playboy dream.
#11. To: Gatlin, They Live (#5)
Gawd, I hate yellow journalism … with a passion.
"We (government) need to do a lot less, a lot sooner" ~Ron Paul
#12. To: Fred Mertz (#8)
#13. To: buckeroo (#6)
(Edited)
You miss the entire point about MANY wanna-be ... post WW2 USA presidential candidates.
WHY LIBERTARIANS OPPOSE WAR
Libertarianism and war are not compatible. One reason why should be obvious: In war, governments commit legalized mass-murder. In modern warfare especially, war is not just waged among voluntary combatants, but kills, maims, and otherwise harms innocent people. Then, of course, wars must be funded through taxes, which are extracted from U.S. citizens by force — a form of legalized theft, as far as libertarians are concerned. And, historically, the U.S. has used conscription — legalized slavery — to force people to fight and die. In addition, an interventionist foreign policy makes civilians targets for retaliation, so governments indirectly cause more violence against their own people when they become involved in other countries’ affairs. Plus, war is always accompanied by many other new restrictions on liberty, many of which are sold as supposedly temporary wartime measures but then never go away.
#14. To: hondo68 (#11)
#15. To: Gatlin (#13)
I have serious doubts about your idea that serving in the military invests someone with superior qualities that make them uniquely qualified to be president.
#16. To: buckeroo (#15)
#17. To: Gatlin (#16)
#18. To: buckeroo (#15)
Any President that sends troops off to war should have a clear understanding that the troops may die in active combat.
The President requires the experience to understand the nature, indeed the gravity of exploitation of American lives in combat, particularly when the wars that the US entertains have little to do with soverign US security.
#19. To: Gatlin (#18)
#20. To: buckeroo (#17)
I worry for you, tater.
#21. To: buckeroo (#19)
Your recommendation is another source or input about contemporary American fascism.
#22. To: Gatlin (#20)
#23. To: Gatlin (#21)
I call it what it is ... FACTUAL.
#24. To: buckeroo (#22)
I worry for you, tater.
#25. To: buckeroo (#23)
I call it what it is ... FACTUAL.
#26. To: Willie Green (#0)
#27. To: Gatlin (#24)
#28. To: buckeroo (#27)
A North Korean state media website on Tuesday published an op-ed praising Donald Trump, who said two weeks ago he would be willing to speak directly to Pyongyang's young leader, Kim Jong Un.
#29. To: buckeroo (#27)
Responding to questions about his contributions to veterans’ charities, Donald Trump detailed today the groups that have shared the millions he said he collected at his Iowa fundraiser in January.
#30. To: buckeroo, tater, George Hussein Washington (#23)
You can't distinguish FACT from IMAGINATION.
"We (government) need to do a lot less, a lot sooner" ~Ron Paul
#31. To: hondo68, buckeroo (#30)
To Gatlin, Obama is just a Kenyan version of George Washington.
Washington had a unique leadership style. He was courageous, conscientious, honest, and hard working. In his recent book, The Return Of George Washington, Ed Larson writes how Washington was instrumental in the drafting and ratification of the Constitution. Larson noted to American Thinker, “I call him the general contractor of the Constitution. He wanted to move the country forward and would listen to people about the best way to get there.”
What do you think about the comparison?
#32. To: Gatlin, shiria law, unrestrained tyranny, jihadi tater (#31)
“When we give our military commanders a mission, we should
I posted an article this morning about the US government inventing Al Queada and ISIS... and you helped by voting D&R Party! Chief Of The CIA’s ‘Bin-Laden’ Unit Tells The World That Al-Qaeda Never Existed
"We (government) need to do a lot less, a lot sooner" ~Ron Paul
#33. To: hondo68 (#32)
(Edited)
I didn't vote for any of the Republican and Democrat terrorists running ISIS, but you did.
Don’t Blame Me.
For the Personality Disordered individual, often their own behavior seems justified in light of the strong emotional motivation they have. They may feel justified in hurting others because they themselves feel hurt, or they may feel justified in disregarding other’s feelings because their own feelings are not soothed. This often makes Personality Disordered individuals appear thoughtless, selfish, cruel and sadistic to others, however, they often feel misjudged by others who don’t validate the disordered thinking which arises from their intense feelings.
#34. To: Willie Green (#0)
#35. To: misterwhite (#1)
#36. To: Gatlin (#5)
I am looking for factual confirmation that Trump “invented fallacious medical reports” about bone spurs and “dodged the draft multiple times.” If anyone knows where I can find this information, please be so kind and point it out to me.
#37. To: Gatlin (#13)
For example, Gore played down his service in Nam
#38. To: Gatlin (#25)
Trump was never charged with violating the Selective Service law.
#39. To: Gatlin (#28)
A North Korean state media website on Tuesday published an op-ed praising Donald Trump, who said two weeks ago he would be willing to speak directly to Pyongyang's young leader, Kim Jong Un.
#40. To: sneakypete (#37)
Say WHAT?
1 - He appeared in uniform in his father's campaign commercials
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