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Title: You Can't Hack Me
Source: Hillary Clinton
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Published: May 24, 2016
Author: Hillary Clinton
Post Date: 2016-05-24 22:45:50 by buckeroo
Keywords: None
Views: 29147
Comments: 153

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#1. To: buckeroo (#0)

Nothing follows

Nothing follows in your cheery hypothetical about Hillary, but what follows with Donald Trump as president is the realization that he has the interests of America at heart. He genuinely believes in his need to fight for the country he loves. You need to genuinely believe in Donald Trump because there once was a time when people could actually feel proud to be Americans, and Trump will bring back that feeling.

Gatlin  posted on  2016-05-25   1:41:14 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#3. To: Gatlin (#1)

Nothing follows in your cheery hypothetical about Hillary ...

Naw. The US Government won't prosecute Clinton for her wanton disregard of US Government law mandating her use of government means of electronic interchange of communication as opposed to private means. She is getting off scott free and therefore, nothing follws.

but what follows with Donald Trump as president is the realization that he has the interests of America at heart.

Oh HORSESHIT!

He genuinely believes in his need to fight for the country he loves.

Really? Exactly when did this paradigm shift occur?

You need to genuinely believe in Donald Trump because there once was a time when people could actually feel proud to be Americans, and Trump will bring back that feeling.

I prefer believing in the Great Pumpkin, Santa Claus, the Easter Bunny and my dead dawg Scruffy over Trump.

buckeroo  posted on  2016-05-25   10:07:28 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#7. To: buckeroo (#3) (Edited)

The US Government won't prosecute Clinton for her wanton disregard of US Government law mandating her use of government means of electronic interchange of communication as opposed to private means. She is getting off scott free and therefore, nothing follws.

You are pointing out just one more of many reasons to elect Trump, he is for “law and order.”

Trump recently said:

"Baltimore has been set back 35 years in one night because the police weren’t allowed to protect people. We need law and order! I know cities where police are afraid to even talk to people because they want to be able to retire and have their pension,” Trump said. He also said, “they don’t want to be pulled off the police forces. And then you wonder what’s wrong with our cities. We need a whole new mind-set.”
Donald Trump has that “whole new mind-set.”

GO TRUMP!!!

Gatlin  posted on  2016-05-25   11:34:06 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#9. To: Gatlin (#7)

Donald Trump has that “whole new mind-set.”

You mean to say: Donald Trump has that “whole new mind-set” into 21st century fascism.

buckeroo  posted on  2016-05-25   13:15:39 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#10. To: buckeroo (#9)

Donald Trump has that “whole new mind-set.”

You mean to say: Donald Trump has that “whole new mind-set” into 21st century fascism.

No, I said what I meant to say.

I said: Donald Trump has that “whole new mind-set.”

You need to work on that comprehension problem.

Gatlin  posted on  2016-05-25   13:21:12 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#11. To: Gatlin (#10)

He has a "whole new mind-set?” Cite an example that is not an element of Fascism.

buckeroo  posted on  2016-05-25   13:24:28 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#12. To: buckeroo (#11)

... Cite an example that is not an element of Fascism.

Bringing up fascism, which is meant to conjure up thoughts of Hitler, is a thoroughly dishonest way to approach a political discussion. It is a useless attempt to play on the emotions and insinuate negative actions. Come on, you are not such an idiot that you cannot recognize that we are not dealing with the Third Reich … uh, are you? You have even a far less proposition if you are relating to the Latin fascists of the 1930s, since they were merely a footnote in history. Calling someone a fascist has evolved to emotional blackmail … and it us usually reserved for use by a person with limited intelligence.

Gatlin  posted on  2016-05-25   13:58:37 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#16. To: Gatlin (#12)

Bringing up fascism, which is meant to conjure up thoughts of Hitler ...

Right out of the box you have poor assumptions. Trump wants to force his idea of America on the underlings that vote for him; this is not a democratic process.

buckeroo  posted on  2016-05-25   17:14:42 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#18. To: buckeroo (#16)

Trump wants to force his idea of America on the underlings that vote for him; this is not a democratic process.

You are mistaken. We do not have a “democratic process.” We have a “representative democracy process.”

In a way you can understand, I will try to explain to you that a “representative democracy” is a type of government where all qualified citizens vote on representatives to pass laws for them. We have the perfect example of this in the U.S., where we elect a president and members of the Congress in hopes they will do what’s best for the nation. There are several conditions for a “representative democracy” to work. Donald Trump is meeting those conditions. There has to be an opportunity for genuine competition in the selection of leadership … there has been. Then, there has to be free communication, both among the people and in the press … there has been. The U.S., of course, is one of the oldest and most stable representative democracies in the world. The U.S. is a federal republic in which a large central government co-exists with smaller state governments.

Now that I have educated you, I will explain how Trump is involved in this “representative democracy process.” He is running for president and he is not forcing his idea of America on anyone, or forcing anyone to vote for him. What you are trying to say is that Trump is coercing people. Coercion is essentially the overwhelming of the will of another. Trump is not doing this. You are mistaking his confidence for coercion. Trump has confidence, there can be no doubt about this … he has an abundance of it. Because he is so confident, he merely states truthfully and emphatically what he believes in and what he can do. He does it with great enthusiasm and strong heartfelt conviction, not coercion (force).

Please let me know if you have any additional problem understanding what is going on. I will be more that happy to take time to again straighten you out. With your limited knowledge of the process, I can easily understand why you will be voting for your dog, Scruffy.

Gatlin  posted on  2016-05-25   18:42:52 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#46. To: Gatlin (#18)

You are mistaken. We do not have a “democratic process.” We have a “representative democracy process.”

Try "Constitutionally-based representative REPUBLIC" on for size. We are and never were defined as a democracy by the Founding Fathers. In fact,they made a point out of democracy always failing because it always results in mob rule,national bankruptcy,and anarchy.

sneakypete  posted on  2016-05-27   10:34:27 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#48. To: sneakypete (#46) (Edited)

The terms “republic” and “representative democracy” are used interchangeable ... the political science literature. They are a form of democracy distinct from another form known as direct democracy.

A number of years ago Karl KurtzI coauthored a college textbook with professors Alan Rosenthal, Burdett Loomis and John Hibbing, Republic on Trial: The Case for Representative Democracy. Here is what they said in the first paragraph of that book:
After the Constitutional Convention, Benjamin Franklin was asked what kind of government the framers had produced. “A republic if you can keep it,” he replied. The American republic is synonymous with representative democracy, the political system through which citizens govern themselves. Representative democracy is democratic in that the people have the power to choose those who govern; it is representative in that the people themselves do not govern but leave governance to the agents they elect. The engines of representative democracy are Congress at the national level and legislatures at the state level, with the executive and judicial branches playing important supporting roles.
The fact is that neither republic nor representative democracy is ideal from the standpoint of marketing or promoting public understanding. Both of them draw blank stares when presented to focus groups of young people (or adults, for that matter). "Republic" is not at all well understood. About the only time it is used in popular communication is in the formulaic recitation of the Pledge of Allegiance. And "representative democracy" is a nine-syllable mouthful so unfamiliar that many people have difficulty pronouncing it. I have cringed as trained actors stumble over these words in rehearsals. To get around some of these problems, we often use the terms "American republic" or "American democracy" to suggest that we in the United States have evolved our own particular kind of governance--one in which the people have the ultimate authority but they exercise it through their elected represenatatives. But these terms require explanation, too. If we were corporate marketers, maybe we would go the Xerox or Exxon route and simply invent a new one or two syllable word with memorable spelling for our system of government. "Amgovv" anyone? On second thought, forget it. Let's live with what we've got--republic or representative democracy, whichever you prefer--and do our best to help people understand the virtues, values and flaws of our governmental system.

If you want the most technical term, our country is a constitutionally limited representative democratic republic. Our form of government, the constitution limits the power of government. We elect representatives, so it's not a pure democracy. But we do elect them by majority rule so it is democratic.

Gatlin  posted on  2016-05-27   10:56:56 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


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#50. To: Gatlin (#48)

The terms “republic” and “representative democracy” are used interchangeable ... the political science literature.

That's like saying the words "up" and "down" are interchangeable because they are both directions.

The left started describing America as a democracy in order to make more Americans identify with the communists,and to consider them an acceptable form of government. Every generation of American since the 1920's has grown up being taught in public school that "America is a democracy" because democracies are leftist wet dreams. As dumb as they are,they are smart enough to understand that the people who win word games and get to define the rules are the people that win the political battles.

Words do mean things. Sometimes even simple words have complex and wide-ranging meanings.

sneakypete  posted on  2016-05-27 11:06:48 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


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