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Title: NYPD checking ammo after knife wielder’s jacket stops cops’ bullets
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NY Post
URL Source: http://nypost.com/2016/05/19/nypd-c ... ans-jacket-stops-cops-bullets/
Published: May 21, 2016
Author: By Jamie Schram, Larry Celona and Philip
Post Date: 2016-05-21 09:13:18 by Stoner
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Views: 1466
Comments: 7
Four of the shots that cops fired at a madman waving a knife in Midtown failed to penetrate his jacket — which was not bulletproof — and the NYPD will now check the weapons for malfunction, law enforcement sources told The Post.
“The bullets we have may be defective and that’s very disturbing,” one source said. “When we fire our weapons, we want to make damn sure that our bullets hit our target — neutralizing our target.”
A sergeant and an officer fired a total of nine rounds at 46-year-old Garry Conrad on Wednesday, with one of the shots killing the depressed Broadway stagehand who refused to drop the blade at West 49th Street and Eighth Avenue.
Four of the bullets got lodged in Conrad’s Carhartt jacket, sources said, adding that he was not wearing a bulletproof vest.
Another shot grazed the wrist of bystander Lauran Code, a 46-year-old lingerie designer from California.
Sources said the incident does not appear to be a pattern, but the 9mm guns used by the officers are going to be checked for malfunctions.
John Cerar, a retired NYPD deputy inspector who headed the department’s Tactics and Firearms Section from 1985 through 1994, said the incident was difficult to fathom.
“I have not heard anything like this. There would be no reason for it,” Cerar said. “There would have to be some kind of defect. I would certainly look at the ammunition.”
Cerar noted that he recalled one incident in the 1970s in which the target of a police shooting escaped injury when one bullet struck his leather jacket and was somehow deflected, failing to wound the man.
“It was just an anomaly,” he recalled of that incident.
“An anomaly is one thing, but four anomalies is another thing entirely,” Cerar said, referring to the four bullets that never penetrated Conrad.
Cerar added that “there could be a defect in the weapon” of some sort, but a “defect in the ammunition” was more likely.
He insisted that an investigation into the matter is imperative. “It sounds like a problem and should be looked into.”
Bad lot of ammo ? I have read elsewhere that their department issued loads are Speer Gold Dot 9mm 124 grain +P. Not a wuss load by any stretch. What say ye Grand Island ?
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"The bullets we have may be defective and that’s very disturbing,” one source said. “When we fire our weapons, we want to make damn sure that our bullets hit our target — neutralizing our target.”
The department needs to find a different spokesman for it. This one will cause a lawsuit with his lips.
I'm the infidel... Allah warned you about. كافر المسلح
#2. To: GrandIsland (#1)
What is your opinion on the ammo? My first thought was a bad lot of squibs.
Si vis pacem, para bellum
Those who beat their swords into plowshares will plow for those who don't
Rebellion to tyrants is obedience to God.
There are no Carthaginian terrorists.
President Obama is the greatest hoax ever perpetrated on the American people. --Clint Eastwood
"I am concerned for the security of our great nation; not so much because of any threat from without, but because of the insidious forces working from within." -- General Douglas MacArthur
#3. To: Stoner (#2)
My friends swear by the Carhartt jackets as durable and worth the extra bucks.
#4. To: Stoner (#2) (Edited)
I'll assume if it's an ammo manufacturing problem, the problem must be limited to a small quantity of boxes bought in bulk or the department would have noticed issues on the range before on duty fire.
So... If there is a few bad boxes of ammo issued from their bulk supply, it could very well could have been a "lot" of ammo that was manufactured with reduced powder levels... as long as the rounds in question came from just one weapon. The chances that two officers carrying ammo from the same bad lot, that were on the same call... in a department that qualifies 40K officers, is limited. I'd look outside the box on this... and I'd confiscate all the rounds these officers didn't fire. I'd use a kinetic bullet puller and weigh the powder amounts in the cases.
I'm the infidel... Allah warned you about. كافر المسلح
#5. To: Fred Mertz (#3)
Buddy got nailed by a deer slug during gun season in Ohio. It went through his forearm (carrying at port arms) and nailed him right in the stomach. Carhartt overalls stopped it and saved his ass.
Another Carhartt fan.
"We (government) need to do a lot less, a lot sooner" ~Ron Paul#6. To: GrandIsland (#4)
" I'd use a kinetic bullet puller and weigh the powder amounts in the cases. "
I would think that will determine the root of the problem
Si vis pacem, para bellum
Those who beat their swords into plowshares will plow for those who don't
Rebellion to tyrants is obedience to God.
There are no Carthaginian terrorists.
President Obama is the greatest hoax ever perpetrated on the American people. --Clint Eastwood
"I am concerned for the security of our great nation; not so much because of any threat from without, but because of the insidious forces working from within." -- General Douglas MacArthur
#7. To: hondo68 (#5)
" Buddy got nailed by a deer slug during gun season in Ohio. It went through his forearm (carrying at port arms) and nailed him right in the stomach. Carhartt overalls stopped it and saved his ass. "
It might have saved his ass, but I am assuming it effed up his forearm pretty bad.
Si vis pacem, para bellum
Those who beat their swords into plowshares will plow for those who don't
Rebellion to tyrants is obedience to God.
There are no Carthaginian terrorists.
President Obama is the greatest hoax ever perpetrated on the American people. --Clint Eastwood
"I am concerned for the security of our great nation; not so much because of any threat from without, but because of the insidious forces working from within." -- General Douglas MacArthur
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