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Title: US Alliances: Trump Is Not So Stupid After All
Source: Antiwar.com
URL Source: http://original.antiwar.com/eland/2 ... us-alliances-trump-not-stupid/
Published: Apr 15, 2016
Author: Ivan Eland
Post Date: 2016-04-15 10:04:27 by nativist nationalist
Keywords: None
Views: 558
Comments: 5

At a recent news conference, President Obama called into question Donald Trump’s fitness for office by criticizing his policy stances on ceding living space to Russia as another great power and pushing wealthy U.S. allies to do more to defend themselves, so the United States wouldn’t need to continue to bear most of that burden. Although Obama may be right that Trump is generally unready to be president, Trump’s thinking on these specific issues is surprisingly insightful.

Facing nearly $19 trillion debt, which has been accumulated in part by fighting expensive and unneeded brushfire wars overseas, an overstretched superpower now needs more help from rich friends to defend themselves; based on prior US failed pleas for its allies to do more, it will not happen unless the United States does less.

In Europe, the NATO alliance, an arrangement left over from the Cold War that requires the United States to defend well-to-do European nations against a much poorer Russia, has expanded to the Russian border – resulting in the rise of a nationalist Vladimir Putin and his aggressive actions in Ukraine to prevent that nation, so critical to Russia, from entering the hostile organization. In East Asia, US Cold War alliances with well off Japan and South Korea have been augmented to contain China and North Korea. In both regions, the United States ultimately has agreed to the not-well- publicized pledge to use nuclear weapons if the Europeans get into a war with a nuclear-armed Russia and the East Asian allies get into a war with nuclear-armed China or North Korea. This policy essentially holds Los Angeles and San Francisco at risk to save London, Paris, Berlin, Tokyo, and Seoul. This trade off was never good for American security even during the height of the Cold War, let alone in a much less threatening post-Cold War world.

When irrational US commitments are put in these stark terms, as opposed to mere billions of dollars wasted on one-sided alliances, Donald Trump’s idea that Japan and South Korea should be allowed to get nuclear weapons to defend themselves, and lessen the burden on the United States, doesn’t seem so wild-eyed. In Europe, Britain and France already have nuclear arsenals that could protect their affluent neighbors from Russia even if the obsolete NATO were discontinued. Furthermore, ironically, as Obama was criticizing Trump for his advocacy of allowing Japan and South Korea to get nuclear weapons and the Japanese government was disavowing any desire to ever get them, Japan was moving ahead on a new plutonium processing facility that could produce eight tons of plutonium a year. Plutonium is the material used to make sophisticated nuclear warheads.

An accepted fact among nuclear weapons experts is that the technically capable Japan is already a near-nuclear weapons state – because that country has assembled all of the items needed to make nuclear weapons quickly and just hasn’t put the pieces together because of political reasons. Also, some academics have used sophisticated analytical methods to argue that more states possessing nuclear weapons, with their deterrent effect on conventional war, actually makes the world safer. In any event, even if nuclear nonproliferation is accepted as a goal, the United States should better worry about unstable countries such as Iran, Egypt, and Saudi Arabia obtaining the bomb rather than good world citizens such as Japan and South Korea.

Thus, upon deeper analysis, even Trump’s seemingly extreme notion of allowing prosperous allies to takeover more of their own defense by getting nuclear weapons doesn’t seem so irrational. The United States simply can no longer afford to provide security for countries that don’t even fully open their markets to US exports.

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#1. To: nativist nationalist (#0)

" upon deeper analysis, even Trump’s seemingly extreme notion of allowing prosperous allies to takeover more of their own defense by getting nuclear weapons doesn’t seem so irrational. The United States simply can no longer afford to provide security for countries that don’t even fully open their markets to US exports. "

Very obvious.

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Stoner  posted on  2016-04-15   10:42:29 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#2. To: nativist nationalist (#0)

Spot on.

THe other key to Trump's policy is giving Russia it's sphere and cooperating with them against terrorists.

So, we cease arming against Russia. We pull forces back from their border. We force the Europeans to pay for their own defense (which they won't, because they know they're not REALLY threatened by Russia at all) - and that FURTHER reduces the pressure on Russia, and then we cooperate fully with Russia to take out the Muslim terror threats in our respective spheres in the Middle East.

Russia becomes a much more cooperative nation, making it easier to focus the world on the aggressive Chinese Communists, whom you mostly hurt trade restrictions.

That's Trump's foreign policy. It's much more intelligent and realistic than what we're doing.

Vicomte13  posted on  2016-04-15   10:48:04 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#3. To: Vicomte13 (#2)

Russia becomes a much more cooperative nation, making it easier to focus the world on the aggressive Chinese Communists, whom you mostly hurt trade restrictions.

That's an intelligent plan.

That's not the cuckservative way of course, they advocate that we allow China unfettered access to our market, while we deploy some Littoral Combat Ships and deploy them forward in Asia as part of their pivot. Sort of a warmed over version of the the Asiatic Fleet which was wiped out in 1942. We can do more to China at Long Beach than we can in the South China Sea, and raise revenue in the process!

And the idea that South Korea and Japan should develop their own nuclear weapons is my idea too, and IIRC you've also advocated the same thing. Cuckservatives want America to be burdened with weak allies, while America First wants strong friends for America.

Non auro, sed ferro, recuperando est patria

nativist nationalist  posted on  2016-04-15   11:08:40 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#4. To: Stoner (#1)

" upon deeper analysis, even Trump’s seemingly extreme notion of allowing prosperous allies to takeover more of their own defense by getting nuclear weapons doesn’t seem so irrational. The United States simply can no longer afford to provide security for countries that don’t even fully open their markets to US exports."

Very obvious.

To us patriots it is obvious, it is good old policy of putting America first. Of course the concept is repugnant to cuckservatives and liberals.

Non auro, sed ferro, recuperando est patria

nativist nationalist  posted on  2016-04-15   11:12:08 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#5. To: Vicomte13 (#2) (Edited)

That's Trump's foreign policy. It's much more intelligent and realistic than what we're doing.

yes Russia is our friend. the old soviet days and soviet world domination thinking is gone. Do you really think so? I think Russia can no longer afford to be expansionist, reality has set in in the form of a lower oil price. Russia knows its business interests lie with Europe, at least as far as energy sales go. It cannot afford another war. Russia also has a reality that it has a large muslim population within the CIS, this is a reality that the US is yet to face. The barbarians are truely at their gate, a reality that Moscow has faced more than once.

Trumps foriegn policy is to retreat behind a high wall, to clean house internally of undesirable aliens and thumb his nose at near neighbours, of course he will have to convince the blacks to take over those undesirable jobs vacated by the deportees but he sees full employment in his future

paraclete  posted on  2016-04-15   22:08:18 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


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